How did they fuck up so badly? The Battle of the Bastards, The Battle of The Black Water...

>Battle of Castley Rock
you mean Jaime vs Dany? the casterly rock siege was awful

>the Vale
>another country

It literally borders winterfell and was being led by a stark

The Boltons used huge shields what are you on about?

Bastard's was shit, it started with an anime speech between Ramsay and Jon, it followed up with retarded Rickon, tactics were retarded, somehow a wall of corpses is made? Best battle of the show is Blackwater.

>tactical viewpoint

Guys! Guys hey! Hey guys hey listen! Guys! What if we did a phalanx! Guys a a phalanx! What if we did a Phalanx but we didn't give the phalanges shields! Guys listen! Guys! Phalangites with NO SHIELDS. But wait! Guys! Guys wait! Listen! Guys! What if we had ANOTHER GUY with a shield! Guys! Another guy! And he blocks the phalangites vision!

Their phalanx was retarded, writers have no idea of how a real would work.

>It literally borders winterfell
lmao
you know what's not on this map?
Winterfell, because it's fucking thousands of miles away from the fucking Vale
Also who is this mysterious Stark in charge of the Vale army? I must have missed it.
>The Boltons used huge shields what are you on about?
Just think for a minute, you don't seem to be able to, but try really hard
What could possibly be wrong with a supposedly defensive formation that is going to be entirely destroyed once the first shield-carrying moron is going down?

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The wall of corpses bothered me to no end. There weren't enough soldiers on the field to get that wall of bodies. That shit wasn't WWI or the American civil war. It had maybe 5k men total, including the knights of the Vale.

Battle of Winterfell was great too, easily on par with BoB

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The only problems I have with BoB are the mountains of corpses (which has never happened in the history of warfare) and not armoring Wunwun and giving him a tree trunk for a club.

What's happened to Lord Royce of Runestone? He was in episode 1 of this season, at Winterfell. Seasoned commander and veteran, Sansa's loyal advisor and... gone.
>we forgot

lol no

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>t. pleb

Hardhome is vastly overrated, it suffers from the same hollywood cliches as the more recent battle scenes.
Watchers was better but was still messy in parts - that fucking painfully bad Ygritte Jon moment.
Haven’t rewatched it a long time so can’t comment on Blackwater.

>Battle of Winterfell was great too

>Dothraki are expert horse archers
>Dothraki are light cavalry
>Let's not give our skirmisher cavalry ranged weapons and instead charge them headfirst into an enemy who's size, composition, and location we are both literally and metaphorically in the dark about.

>on par with BoB

Well you're not wrong, but not for the reasons you think.

>I have no problem with armies teleporting out of nowhere, but mountains of corpses? unbelievable
the piles were really too high to be believable, but corpses do pile up when hand to hand fighting takes place on a same spot for extended periods of time and there are thousands of accounts of battles with corpses and heavily wounded piling up
73 HOURS DABID
NO TIME DABID

>tactical
You're a fucking muppet

Flimsy b8, m8

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It was amazing. You're just bitter due to lack of sex.

>me at :07

t. bitter due to lack of sex
have some

How come? nothing interesting happens, the boat explodes and then it's just a bunch of people fighting in a field absolutely chaotically until Tywin ex machina defeats everyone with no realistic explanation.

Why do you nerds care so much about "muh tactics" it's super cringe

>Why do you nerds care so much about movies making sense
>Just turn your brain off lol

Why do you care so much about what other people care about, it's super cringe lol

triggered cringy nerds

t. DABID

t. triggered cringy nerd
have sex

>easily on par with BoB
so, shit?

For starters there was the actual application of tactics and strategy. Tyrion used all the resources he had at his disposal as effectively as he could.

If the Blackwater battle were to be made today, there would be no Wildfire. Hell there wouldn't even be a bay. Just two retarded armies charging at each other while Stannis slips on a banana peel.

lmao no, all those battles were shit. battle of blackwater is a joke compared to what happens in the book. the battle of the wall is the only battle worth a shit and even that isn't very good. the rest are total ass

>no one talks about how logistically impossible it is for all these armies to move everywhere so quickly

This.

They've fucked up so many fight scenes it's hard to remember anything good about any of them.

Hardhomme vs. the zombies was alright, or whatever episode where Jon runs away in a boat while the NK raises the dead.

>t. brainlets
Getting ambushed on your own turf by an enemy army is arya-killing-NK tier of shitty surprise. Do you have no loyal spies or retainers anywhere along the invading army's path to sent a warning in advance to you? None? Stupid.
And what was this retarded shit with those mountain of corpses? This is medieval combat, not fucking Gettysburg. It won't stack like that.
And then Tormund, Jon and the Giant charging towards Winterfell alone...

tl;dnr = You're full on retarded if you think Battle of the Bastards was great.

Battle of the Bastards is STILL the worst episode of Game of Thrones.

The fact that the capital was filled with explosives commissioned by Cersei was quite convenient, wasn't it?
That aside, it seemed a conventional siege to me. People landed, reached the walls, and so on. There was nothing interesting, and the fact that Tywin arrived at the needed moment and smashed completly all the enemies made little sense to me.

What I don't get are that these are brand new show mistakes. Not mistakes a show 8 years in with a giant budget should be making.

Like pay a military history professor a consulting fee before the blocking phase and thats all you need. 1 fucking guy to say "this doesn't make sense, have these troops do this not that"

It's because Dunkin Donuts just wants to get the show over with this way they can go drag Star Wars' corpse around Weekend at Bernie's style with Rian.

I think Jon Snow didn't block that White Walkers sword strike with the flat of his sword, it was edge on edge blocking. Good thing it was Valyrian steel because if it was a real sword, it would have ruined it and a whetstone would not have fixed the problem.

star wars has been dead since rotj. the people who still care about star wars are just idiot complainers that enjoy being abused, no one should care about these people.

DUDE IT'S FANTASY LMAO GET A LIFE OR SOMETHING
I fear that's what they actually think when hearing those critics. I mean, it's complex to make something accurate, believable while keeping a degree of shock and surprise effect without simply making a salad of historical witty moments. You need to make something original while staying realistic, often this devolves in infodrops or spoonfeeding overload.
Honestly, it's probably a hard job.

>Implying anyone fucking cares
This show exists in order to turn a profit. Why would they waste time and money on stuff only 0.5% of the viewers care about? Most of the normies out there think the episode was great. Don't give me this bullshit about "hiring a history professor" in order to figure out that trebuchets don't go in the front lines. They know. They just thought it would solve the problem of having a light source inbetween the cavalry and the infantry. 0,5% of the viewers might complain that it's retarded but the fact of the matter is that this was a good price to pay and a smart business decision. Get mad 0,5%er.

Are your retards? Why you taking such flimsy bait?

It wasn't just the Lannister, but also the Tyrell forces who helped defeat the Baratheon forces at Blackwater.

>This show exists in order to turn a profit.
I mean you aren't wrong but taking pride in what you do is still a thing too.

If you had a choice to go out on a high note with everyone in your industry really looking at the details, not just the random HBO audience, but people you will want to work with over the next few years. My guess is you would do everything to make the first year of your next project go smooth with actors, great behind the camera talent and producers you want money from all falling over themselves to want to work with you.

But despite the critics, all the stupidest works are making shitload of cash. What would you believe, a vocal commenting community or your bank account? Just watch all the marvel shit, it makes billions for who knows what reason.

>retarded giant shields that completely block vision
>retarded giant not picking up even a fucking branch
>ha ha I'm so evil shoot arrows at my own men
I'm pretty sure DnD ripped off the impenetrable shield wall with sudden spear stabbing from Red Cliff, which has literal anime tier characters soloing hundreds of enemy soldiers at a time.

Source?

Watchers was funny. They had less than 10 guys scaling the Wall, had that dramatic zoom in as if they were a threat, and then unleashed that fucking scythe/anchor. Those idiots were never a threat. They were scaling that Wall very closing, would have be shot at or stabbed when they got near the top, and if they did get onto the Wall, they'd be exhausted and heavily outnumbered.

it's nice when they totally overdo something tho

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>but the ewoks were cute!

why didn't Davos order the archers to fire on the enemy archers? Don't say "they were too far", like some retard said to me once. They had feet they could use for walking forward or even around.
I do agree it was much more entertaining to watch than this season though.

True. After Ramsay killed his little brother, Jon rushes to attack Ramsay's entire army alone like a retard. His men had to follow after him and then got surrounded by superior numbers. That battle was completely retarded.

Don't mind me

Being the most kino battle

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the whole point of them attacking the wall was to give them a distraction that had to be dealt with while the wildlings in the south attacked castle black. the nights watch almost lost that fight too, it was much worse in the books

Unless there was a higher ground it would have been complex to move and get in formation before them noticing and attacking first. A few spearmen could have approached them fast and kill them easily. Useless to argue about ifs anyway.

>Freezing your ass off at the top of the wall
>Haven't even seen a woman in over a year since you got sent to this shit hole for tit fucking the thicc daughter of some minor landed knight
>Suddenly the horn blows
>There were no rangers out tonight..
>It blows again
>Oh shit
>...
>...
>Ok, no third horn. It's just snowniggers, thank the seven.
>It's like two dozen snowniggers and some giants.
>Well fuck...guess you're not tasting the sweet release of death tonight.
>Oh wow, hey guys look at that, the snowniggers are trying to climb the wall.
>We got this massive scythe here...
>Fuck it, it's not our job to reel the fucking thing back in.
>Let it rip lol
>Oh fuck did you see that? That fucker got done like a bug on a windshield
>Hahaha oh shit, boys! Y'all see that shit? They got fucking ROCKED
>Oh shit there's a giant making a run for the tunnel
>Ha, thank fuck we're up here, huh?

Implying this wouldn't be every sane man.

Show me one instance in history where on an open plain battle a corpse pile reached 30 feet high, you retard.

are you stupid?

a few spearman from where? From the battle in the middle? All the way from the back lines? That's not a threat to the archers since they can just shoot them until they reach them and then fuck them up anyway.
Literally just run up and start firing arrows, sure the enemy might have fired at them first, but they were already busy firing at the blob of men fighting in the middle so probably not.

What pissed me off the most about GoT was despite being a medieval fantasy the imagination and creativity in terms of armor was severely lacking. Armor was generic as fuck when we could have had some really cool designs. No one wears fucking helmets. Imagine Jaime or Tywin wearing a stylized Lion helmet to go with the Lannister armor. Stannis could have had some cool stag horn helmet like Robert did according to the books. Imagine Euron had a armor or even a weapon like pic related. Only armor in the show that felt ok was the lannister army.

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From the guys in the middle. They can approach them easy with those big shields. Once in close range the archers will have a real hard time against them.
Well, Ramsey did great too, by shoting his own soldiers as if he was hot shit and then stop just after he surrounded everyone.
Should have just stayed inside. He got overconfident by defeating the already broken Stannis army. Should have thought the possibility of enemy reinforcements.

a couple of dudes somehow disengaging from the battle would just get shot to shit and backstabbed by Stark infantry. They would be surrounded.

Euron in the show behaves like some henchman the real Euron would have. Like Euron's mad dog that he occasionally unleashes on his enemies when some chaos and cruelty is needed.

It's impratical for a show. You cut off the faces, so you lose all the emotions transmitted by their acting (inb4 implying). You could make them put it on just when the battle is about to begin, but unless you make them very open and basically useless you lose a lot. Imagine the scene of Dany's raid, Jamie did good to show his concern in getting btfo, would have been less dramatic if hidden by helmet.
They can also suggest the difference in richness by making a certain faction with complex armors while others wear plain shit.

>Battle of the Bastards
>billion arrows shot towards Jon, all of them miss
>hit a person on horse with a sword, person fly 10 meters away, no impact to person swinging the sword
>rubber swords in every second shot
>cuts 10 times in each scene and weapons change hands with each cut
>all plot relevant people just stand in group and nothing happens to them
>archers shoot another billion arrows at that group
>still miss
>great

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what doesn't make sense

if you have any question about the sequence of events just ask

>All surveyed by Ramsay, who is wearing a leather jerkin and absolutely no plate armor
That was pretty bullshit. If people want to argue against them wearing helmets because we can't see their reactions and stuff, fine, but at least give them armor on their bodies.

And I'll add that Ramsay actually has pretty cool armor in the books. It's dark armor with a pale pink cloak and his helmet and gorgets resemble the face and shoulders of a skinless man screaming.

Wearing helmets means you could have stuntmen having epic fights instead of clumsy quick cut fights with actors. Crests, plumes and all manner of decoration can be used to identify individuals and factions.
The armor and the clothes in the show are just shit, total shit. Wool chainmail, bucket penis helmets and the same generic black leather outfits look terrible. GoT is supposed to be grounded and realistic, the equipment should reflect this.

The timing was insanely convenient. Just when the defenders had done the most damage to the attackers and are about to lose, the army arrives.
Also they get them by a cavalry charge iirc? Don't think it works well on the small beach around KL, once the infantry gets in spear wall formation they should get rekt.
The wildfire explosion also seemed way too op, it just kept getting bigger and bigger, nor stopped burning with water. If it was magic, maybe i could understand, but as an alchemy product i guess it should have the properties of some chemical? Nitroglicerin seemed the closest to the instability described but it just explodes.
Why didn't Tyrion reinforce the gate is also perplexing, it was an incredibly shitty gate, and he predicted correctly he would attack there.

It was slightly different in the books as they were fighting alongside a river rather than a sea. Pic related shows most of the cavalry attacking on the other side of the river and the one that did attack underneath the walls of the city being grounds larger than a small beach.

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If you lacked the money to arm your soldiers, wouldn't cutting on armors be the first thing? Thought they were the most expensive piece of equipment.
Fight coreographys are almost always shit unless you have incredibly talented people. They all end up as a WWE fight. A real fight would mostly be the stronger one overpowering the weaker one in a couple shots and then smashing its head. Fancy sword tricks are gross, they all end up like Arya vs Brienne.

True. BOTB is the episode where GOT took a dive and never turned back. In that episode they settled for style of substance.

from what i remember, the wildfire was cerseis idea, tyrion just came up with the chain that blocked the ships in the bay so they couldn't escape

Didn't every main character in Season 1 have plate armor? Jaime, Mountain, Hound, Brienne, faggot knight, Jorah, etc. etc. I'm almost afraid to watch it again, fuck this gay earth.

The timing is very convenient, but there's at least a reason given for that in the books. When Tywin realizes that KL is going to be under siege he makes a forced march for literal days on end, to the point where his troops drop dead of exhaustion, just to get there in time. LF also does some political maneuvering and strikes an alliance with the Tyrells after Renly's death, by agreeing to marry Margaery, now a widow, to Jeoffrey. The 70-80k Tyrell army which was already making its way to KL now being on the Lannister's side and indeed in a very convenient position to fuck up Stannis who had absorbed Renly's levies from the Stormlands into his assault.

As for the cavalry charge I can't remember exactly, but either way when you have an army like 3-4x the size of yours hitting your rear flank when you're in the middle of trying to assault a city you're not going to have a good time regardless of the tactics involved. Garlan Tyrell, an accomplished warrior, is also the one leading the Tyrell forces, under the guise of Renly's ghost by wearing his armor or some shit. Making a very motivated force committing to a hammer and anvil, because of competent and bold leadership.

Also in the books there is no wildfire explosion. It's just a chain that spans the river and wrecks Stannis' fleet as it tries to retreat after being bombarded by wildfire pots shot out of catapults or ballistae. The chain destroys the ships and creates a bottleneck clusterfuck where the majority of the ships ram into it and each other and are simply destroyed. Also wildfire is basically magic fire shit, don't gotta explain it. And no, a more apt comparison would be the Byzantine fire used by the Empire, which itself is closely related to Napalm. Also he does reinforce the gate with troops.

pretty sure the wildfire explosion happens in the books too

Think so, but they are all big shots and lords. Obviously they would have armors. Also don't know what's the common behaviour with armors, if they are always kept on or just when going to battle. Seems annoying to have them on all day, but maybe that was the norm.

Agreed, user. Fave battle for me.

The whole sequence when the camera follows Jon was pure cinéma

im assuming a lot of the budget went to the actors demanding pay raises also the original costume designer died by a lion attack

not from what I recall. It's just a bombardment, which itself makes more sense and is more effective. As the ships are being set on fire they just realize they done fucked up and try to skidadle. The wildfire boat replaces the chain as the Tyrion's genius trump card in the show.

>under the guise of Renly's ghost
Haha what the fuck. This makes a pair with lady stoneheart for dumbest shit in the story.

>the original costume designer died by a lion attack
lol ironic
because of lannisters haha

Jon acted retarded, which was in character for him.

How the fuck did he survive? A man in full armor should just drown. And if he didn't, the moment he popped up Drogon should have roasted him. How the hell did they get somehow far enough from Dany while holding breath.

If these battles were fought more realistically they would be boring

>awful compositing
>awful physics (e.g. jon knocking guy off horse)
>generic ally gets shot in the head after helping trope
>plot armor jon

Go play Call of Duty

Battle of the Somme

you mean the battle with artillery and machine guns?

actually it's very good. Soldiers, especially medieval ones, believe a ton of dumb shit. To see their king in his armor lead a charge would make them feel good and more willing to fight. It might be more apt to say that it was under the guise of Renly coming back to life to fight again. Like this isn't even really fantasy shit, it's just people believing something stupid to fight harder, which I'm sure happened all the time.

Different taste i guess.

I mean it's not a matter of taste, it's a matter of proper representation, which is what GoT is all about. If you can't appreciate that GRRM makes a genuine attempt to accurately portray essentially human themes drawing on his experience and history education then that's really on you. Like it's not a stylistic choice it's a direct comparison to historical precedent.

are you going to gripe about the exact metrics of a genuine phenomenon in a show where you have an ice wall that is hundreds of feet high and god damn mountains for castles

This shit happened in real life, and will happen again. You can't expect a show like this to have a 100% accurate representation of reality without exaggeration.