>"It irritates me, when I... when I'm watching a movie or reading a book, and the hero is going through incredible dangers, him and his six buddies and none of them die.
>Y'know, maybe one of them gets wounded, but they all survive, pretty much untouched at the end."
DABID NO
What's his tax policy?
Endless watery shits
GoT is crashing and burning, and I'm just glad I didn't go past 1st season, even the books aren't finished.
*breathes in*
HAHAHHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
What, theres no possible way they get just lucky enough or maybe are trained well enough to survive the encounter you fat fuck?
>Actual intriguing, timeless, wholesome, heartwarming stories like Lord of the Rings in which the heroes survive and good triumphs over evil
Compared to:
>Randomly kill under-written characters for shock and exposure to be 'gritty' and 'realistic'
That is why his stories will not survive more than this century. They have no soul, nothing appealing. Just cynicism and vapid diatribes and nihilism. Whereas something like Lord of the Rings will forever remain cherished and loved by future generations.
Yep. Retarded people will always exist to revere JRRT's boring, ripped off, fairytale, bullshit travel log.
Classic feudal tax systems probably, 7/10 to the lord, 2/10 to the church, peasant keeps 1/10
think taxation is theft? you get murdered.
>buttblasted GoT faggot seething because the show is literally garbage now that there is no source material and that fat fuck has writer's block and will NEVER, EVER finish his shitty series.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
yikes
travelogue.
you say "ripped off" and "fairytale" like these are negative things. He was intentionally taking inspiration from European (and Finnish :D) myths. Without his work there would be no ASOIAF.
>Randomly kill under-written characters for shock and exposure to be 'gritty' and 'realistic'
He doesn't do this, this is the show.
*eats cheese block*
*goes to con*
*writes book other than twow*
Arya is powerful
deal with it incels
I have watched some more interviews with him becouse of this thread and found this moment when he says that u can't change things in story if someone finds out about them becouse it's destroying the whole story.
D&D did this thing when they made arya kill NK lol
finish the books you fat fuck
u posted dis already
It's at 3:09
...
he should have sex
he does, with the turkish porn"star" who played Shae
whatcha gonna do about it
Thing is, he didn't actually kill the "main" characters either.
Tolkien says it all here.
Read Silmarillion, incel. Tolkien was just as bloodthirsty as GRRM.
Because no one wants to read a story where everyone dies in a nuclear explosion on the first page, you fat fucking hack.
It's an absurd sign of the times that no one can distinguish between fiction and reality anymore. No one fucking dies in stories ever, because it's all made up. Tragedies don't happen in stories, it's all made up. Stories are by their nature perfect, or as close to perfect as the author can make them.
he literally does this. Ned Stark and Robb stark were created to be killed. They never were the main characters.
Then he does it very obviously in adwd. Quentyn Martel death is just shock factor.
Stories become very tiresome when the meaning of "conflict" becomes nothing more than just CGI spectacle. GRRM is right. Why bother even putting characters in dangerous situations if you're not earnest about the situation? As a kid, it's obvious you want them to survive no matter what. But with age, you want something more believable.
>GRRM is right. Why bother even putting characters in dangerous situations if you're not earnest about the situation
Well, why does he do it then?
The fact that none of the main cast members of LOTR didn't die in the end of the trilogy is fucking retarded plot armor garbage.
When LOTR was optioned to the Weinsteins they were disgusted that not a single one of the four main hobbits died. They said that if LOTR was to get their funding at least one had to die.
There are certain people and tribes on this earth that do not understand at all the things of which you speak. George R.R. Martin is of this tribe too.
lots of female voices in the audience.
Boromir retard
He was a side character at best.
He does it constantly what are you even talking about?
>Hey this Renly fella is interesting I wonder what's gonna happen to his char-oops he's dead
>Oh cool even after most of Arya's under-written group of prospective black brothers was killed a few survived I'm sure Lommy will have a complete character ar-nope he's gone
I haven't even finished the second book yet and there's 3 different examples just from it, and that's being generous and counting Arya's group slaughter as one.
He was a main character you stupid fuck
You don't understand the purpose of a story
it's okay if they die at the end, but before that it just ruins the movie
The Place Beyond the Pine cones for example, I wanna watch based tatted up Gosling do shit, not have him croak an hour in, wtf, like I care about the rest of the movie at that point
It bothers me too. I don't NEED death but there are no consequences in so many things
>google "grrm weight"
>before I get to the e, autocomplete suggests "will never finish asoif"
toppest gekko
Yeah except boromir, denethor, theoden, all the countless men and orcs. Not to mention the fact Frodo was so changed by the ring he lived in a constant state of depression and had to flee west with the dying elves. Yeah, no, all the heroes survived and everything was good in lotr. Fucking lol, you dumb sack of shit
>hurr lets kill all the interesting characters
>woohoo anyone can die so epiccc clown world
What a faggot GRRM is
The problem with this thinking is that the entire reason a story exists is to tell the events that happened to a group of exceptional people. If they died then they wouldn't be alive and there'd be no story. So it makes more sense to think of it as a situation where *these* people survived in a reality where plenty of others died; maybe the guy who was gonna be the hero choked to death on some bread as a three year old. So in the end you are left with the actual characters of the story, and there's nothing unrealistic about them not dying/being maimed/whatever because they are by definition statistical anomalies, i.e. heroes.
>Theoden dies
>Boromir dies
>Denethor dies
>all those fucking dwarves die in the Hobbit
Even characters like Isildur, Elendil, and Gil-galad are important characters in Tolkien's work because he created a world first and then wrote stories from it
>he thought he had to type in
>Everything should be like Bone Tomahawk
A lot of the most badass people throughout history have been essentially invincible. Thomas Cochrane, Hans Ulrich Rudell, there are these larger than life historic figures who faced death dozens or hundreds of times and always lived through it.
There's nothing wrong with writing a book with characters who survive against the odds. That's what makes a "ripping good yarn".
I don't like this new breed of faggots who think that killing people off makes their stories interesting. I have a relative who relies on this device in every single story he's ever written. Is there a cool character? He dies. Is there an animal in the story? The animal dies. It becomes so predictable. It's meaningless.
That said, with how GoT has been structured if no one of consequence dies in the final episodes I think that's bad storytelling.
>wholesome
>There's nothing wrong with writing a book with characters who survive against the odds. That's what makes a "ripping good yarn".
But there is something wrong with writing a book where there's nothing at stake. And what's worse is if you start with high stakes and then decrease them.
Yes he does and I'm a fan of his books.
Quentin Martell is a prime example of this in A Dance with Dragons. Dies pointlessly with no impact to the plot or anything else
By this logic, Boromir was "underwritten"
Dance is not at all a good indicator of the rest of the series
>Hey this Denethor fella is interesting I wonder what's gonna happen to his char-oops he's dead
same shit lmao
>Who is Boromir
Good defense of George R. R. Martin's writing my friend. Very well done, "Other author ALSO does this". Totally absolves Mr. Martin thank you.
>Martin doesn't do this
>Yes he does, here's an example
>No that book isn't a good indicator of what Martin does
Why do I need to justify "supporting character dies"
That's like having to justify "character eats food"
What the literal fuck are you going on about.
It's him at his worst (going senile and losing his editor) and not a good indicator of the rest of the series
He actually praises LoTR in the interview for killing Boromir and Gandalf, and all the interviews that are shitposted here that seems like he's criticizing Tolkien is him praising it and saying he was inspired by it, but this is what he's interested in and what he wants to write about in his fantasy universe.
Now he does seem to miss the point when he's a bit dismissive of how Gandalf returns and doesn't really understand that while yes, Gandalf is back, its not really the same Gandalf. Or missing that Frodo returning home in that state isn't much better than him having died, and sometimes a characters greatest tragedy isn't dying.
You sound like a fucking nerd.
How about these three examples from the second book? Are those a good indicator of the rest of the series?
basedpilled
i liked it up until season 6 tbqh
>I’m writing about war, which what almost all epic fantasy is about. But if you’re going to write about war, and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don’t portray [sexual violence], then there’s something fundamentally dishonest about that.
No you're right he never criticizes Tolkien for stupid shit. Don't bother telling me he wasn't specifically directing that at Tolkien, because even if the orc reference WASN'T meant as that, the criticism applies in his mind. Tolkien doesn't show orc rape, therefore he (The guy who wrote of his experience in ww1 "By 1918 all but one of my close friends was dead") is being fundamentally dishonest in his portrayal of war.
Renly was a jackass who gets killed as punishment for his hubris
The black brothers were just a bunch of guys meant to die to show how dangerous the Kingdoms are at war, none of them were particularly interesting outside of Yoren (who has no room for a character arc) and Gendry (who lives)
I don't remember Lommy
ned and cat even had their own chapters and theon vanished from the story for like 3 books
>Renly was a jackass who gets killed as punishment for his hubris
Presented in an incredible shocking twist
>The black brothers were just a bunch of guys meant to die to show how dangerous the Kingdoms are at war, none of them were particularly interesting outside of Yoren (who has no room for a character arc) and Gendry (who lives)
Who are killed in a shocking moment.
>I don't remember Lommy
Literally making the point for me.
You're not even arguing the point, you're just reinforcing it. Martin creates characters whose purpose is to be killed in a shocking moment. How would the series be different if Renly didn't exist at all? It wouldn't. Black brothers? It wouldn't (Martin had already spent chapter after chapter taking opportunities to demonstrate the Kingdoms at war are dangerous) Lommy? Absolutely not a single fucking thing would change. They exist to be killed.
that's part of the problem, Jon is not a bright man and he just send the only fight-capable peasants (the wildlings) back to north of the wall
now he and dany will have to rely on nobles
people who say the no longer watch the show are full of shit
i know for a fact that you've watched all 7 seasons faggot
yeah it's not possible at all that someone stopped at season 1. Just a totally outlandish proposition.
>How would the series be different if Renly didn't exist at all? It wouldn't.
It establishes Stannis as being ruthless enough to murder his own brother, which is the crux of his entire character, and also explain why his support is so fractured.
so... he loves jojo
Didn't Tolkien invent some languages then created the world of Middle-Earth and all the histories of it, even though he took inspiration from northern European mythology?
Is there a chance we will get the new book release date after the tv show is over?
>crashing and burning
>there's literally only two episodes left in the entire show
What did he mean by this?
holy fucking cringe
No. Fatman is also looking extremely unhealthy lately, so its probably best just to forget the series or hope he gives someone the ability to write it for him when he dies.
>all your peasants die in one year
gg
kys millennial
LOTR sucks
>writes book
>not publish his world notes and blog about handegg and the Hugo Awards while dreaming of the Turkish prostitute that tugged on his fat pink mast for the best 20 seconds of his life
>literally every character listed dies in the same book they're introduced in except for theoden
Wow good job showing all those """"main character""" deaths.
His wife will either hire someone to finish it, or do it herself because YASSS QUEEN SLAYYYYYY. No matter what GRRM's wishes are his wife will do what serves her best. It's a loveless marriage with feminist cunt that was only made official so she would get Social Security benefits. We will get Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring, but with a different author and not the ending GRRM has in mind. Just another cash grab by people that don't give a shit. Just like this last season of the show.
he started inventing languages at 10 years old and just never stopped.
The languages permeate and influence almost everything in his stories.
Is there a more cucked fan than ASoIAF?
8 years, after a 7 year break from the previous novel
I know the Dark Tower was getting cucked because King would only release one every 6 years or so, but when he almost died he popped three books out in a year.
Star Wars
ASOIAF comes in second
LOTR is just a better crafted mythology anyway, it created a whole genre and only the Bible sold more copies. ASOIAF is derivative entertaining pop culture stuff by design, so obviously it will never have the same impact or enduring popularity. George RR Martin didn't have the knowledge or skill to create something like LOTR/The Silmarillion so he didn't even try. It's not a slight against him, he knows it himself.
Retard
>randomly kill characters = written to not survive
yep. you're retarded.
Characters should die far more often in other media. If someone is out to get them, then finish them. I don't care if that particular characters (expected) arc is complete (even if they seem to be the protagonist with plot armour etc), if you've written your character into a scenario they can't survive, they shouldn't. Peoples lives are frequently cut short before they finish their journey/objective, no I don't want 'drop a bridge on them' (death due to unforeseeable environment collapse).
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP UHHH YES SHE SHAT AGAIN EVERY SHAT RUNNIER AND BLOODIER THAN THE NEXT
kill yourself.
Based sub 80 iq brainlet
When it is gritty and realistic, it elicits far stronger emotions because it feels closer to home. GoT has an upper hand over LotR for this reason alone..
GoT and LoTR are both so foreign to modern day it doesn't matter.
Hell even a completely realistic show about medieval times would be too different for people to relate to.
Boromir and Theoden aren't heroes I guess
>a completely realistic show about medieval times would be too different for people to relate to.
One of the strangest things about the show is the way that the main characters all seem to hold 21st century Western European/North American morals on gender equality, tolerance of other ethnic groups, and civilian casualties, while none of the side characters do. Imagine if Jon actually had normal views for someone from medieval times or even just for someone from pre-WWII America, he wouldn't consider serving Dany for a second.
That's silly. Sure the fictional worlds differ in many sorts of ways from our world but there is commonality to be found. They're both stories about human societies at the end of day so there are some dimensions in which we can empathize.
fucking cringe
True but to the degree people can is already limited by time we hit the differences between GoT and LoTR
You say that in a thread discussing how LotR and GoT treat death differently in their respective ways.
>that fucking laugh
Sounds straight out of star wars
And?
I'm guessing you don't understand my point if you think that contradicts what I said.
>Wants to write realistically about war
>Goes on and on about what war is like, and what it does to people
>Was a draft dodger
>Ned Stark and Robb stark
You chose to use Robb stark rather than Catelyn to make your point? You did read the books, didn't you?
>Draft dodge
Only bad depending on which war.
Well evidently a lot of people do think there's a considerable difference in the degree of emotion the two elicit.
GoT teases you with prospects of hope after a character has gone through some hardship and when you finally think you can heave a sigh of relief. The character returns to a hardship that is more cruel than the one they left behind.
You will feel a sense of despair that anything in LotR simply can't compare to.
pretty much every US president and congressman dodged the draft
They have more viewers every episode, swimming in money what the hell are you talking about?
Now if you are talking about quality content...
Even AI writes better than D&D:
>The third episode of the 8th and final season of Game of Thrones will go down in history as
the night of the Great Revenant, a battle between Arya Stark and Daenerys Targaryen that became the biggest, most violent of all the Battle of Redwater. The episode ends in disaster with the destruction of Aemon Greyjoy's forces, but it also gave readers a glimpse into the future of Westeros.
In the end, Arya has defeated Daenerys and becomes King in the North, while she's still learning the art of swordfighting. She falls in love with one of the Kingslayer's daughters, and he, on his own volition, brings Cersei's daughter, Arya Stark, into the Iron Throne, but she isn't quite there yet. It's a bittersweet ending for Arya, to be sure, and she ultimately falls hard for Daenerys. "The Dance of the Dragons" gives us more on the storyline, and it shows us that when you look at
By "Dodge the draft" do you mean enlist before getting drafted? Because that's the only way what you said makes sense.
you obviously haven't read the Sam/Frodo chapters.
That isn't even remotely true, unless your definition of "dodge the draft" is
1. Voluntarily enlist once the war starts
or
2. Already be in the military when the war starts
Hes even making the women and children pay the iron price
He looks like he's ready to set sail on his tiny steam boat to the arms of Jesus any minute now
The concept of having a story in which all or most of the protagonists are alive at the end is an almost uniquely American concept, per a former teacher many years ago.
but bromir died
>The concept of having a story in which all or most of the protagonists are alive at the end is an almost uniquely American concept
I didn't realize that J RR Tolkien and CS Lewis were Americans. Add them to our list of natural cultural achievements I guess, we're happy to accept them.
I think the story also sets up a problem where you kill characters seemingly at random but are realistically no longer important to the story. Once you get further in the story though the main characters get obvious plot armor because your setting them up for the ending, ruining the themes you set up at the beginning. You can't kill off the main characters randomly like in the beginning because you have to pay off the setup without it seeming like an ass pull and the main character are the only ones who were properly set up to pay off the ending.
Like how American soldiers got through Vietnam unscathed due to their training?
>D&D did this thing when they made arya kill NK lol
How was it going to go originally?
>all genres outside of tragedy are an american invention
>Title is Fellowship...
>Is one of the fellowship
tragedy is timeless though. see the ancient greeks or shakespeare.
literally me when I was a teenager
>That's like having to justify "character eats food"
Reminder Jack Bauer never eats, drinks, sleeps or shits.
It really irritates me when a fat neckbeard with a dumb hat stops writing books halfway through a series, but finds time to run his neckbeard mouth for years about everything else.
Fuck you, George. Never another penny, for anything. I cut you some slack, once, but never again.
he has plenty of days in between for all that mundane shit, now's the time to shoot the conspirator's wife in the kneecap and shout at them really loudly!
Yep. He said years ago that the last two books would take us "further north than you can believe", and...the show didn't do that, so whatever he had in mind, is pretty much thrown out, unless it matches the show now, even with the major plotlines and events that were abandoned and changed.
ASOFAI is the best example of why authors should never sell their work to Hollywood. They've never respected anyone. They're going to mouthrape Tolkien and the Witcher, next.
I'm sticking to books from now on. And fuck George. His other books suck, anyway.
Tirion would have been quietly taken out back and drowned at birth by a family as powerful and rich as the Lannisters, or kept in a tower, even if he hadn't killed his mother birthing him.
What a fucking dork
Amusing, but it's well known he volunteered for service.
Bravo, you've obviously triggered all those nihilistic edgelords.
>Classic feudal tax systems probably, 7/10 to the lord, 2/10 to the church, peasant keeps 1/10
People mostly payed their tax in goods they produced in the feudal period. 90% of them were peasants and most of them produced food. Are you telling me that 90% of people lived off 10% of the food? and that 90% of the food went to less than 10% of the people? They could never eat all that.
>Quentin Martell is a prime example of this in A Dance with Dragons. Dies pointlessly with no impact to the plot or anything else
His death will likely have repercussions when Doran has to choose between supporting the claim of Aegon or Danaerys.
>It establishes Stannis as being ruthless enough to murder his own brother,
Killing a traitor to the throne is not murder, even if they are your brother. Renly knew that he had no just claim to the throne. He was a criminal and refused to bend the knee to the rightful king. It was no murder.
>"It irritates me, when I... when I'm watching a movie or reading a book, and the hero is going through incredible dangers, him and his six buddies and none of them die.
well said fat man
youtu.be
Oh, look, another dumbass who thinks they know what life was like in feudal societies, because they saw Holy Grail.
Feudal life was so varied and so different in all areas of Europe that there's no consistent definition of it, and life wasn't the constant harsh grind it was made out to be, mostly by the early marxists who used it to attack capitalism. The more honest research is done on the era, the more average and not that bad life was for the lower rungs of society.
Your made up numbers just shows you haven't the faintest fucking clue about that period of time, and are just going from what you think you saw and understood in movies and video games.
The feudal era was just a stratified society, and mongs like you make it seem like the lowest 1% was the experience for everyone in the world. Read a fucking book before commenting again.
and he praised that and killing gandalf
Based on this quote, does he enjoy jojo's?
t. GRRM
>>Actual intriguing, timeless, wholesome, heartwarming stories like Lord of the Rings in which the heroes survive and good triumphs over evil
This is simply false.
Even LotR has a number of characters die, most notably boromir. Hell, even thorin died in the hobbit.
There are a number of issues I have with GRRM's writing, but killing off characters is not one them
HBO wanted it to have 10 season for a proper completion but D&D declined wanting to end it all in this season. So yeah D&D fucked it all up.
sauce?
Search it up. It's legit and being reported that D&D ignored HBO for more seasons and decided to end it because they have a "life".