I'm seeing a lot of hate towards David Benioff & D. B. Weiss, and while it's alright to be upset, context is important. I feel like people need to be reminded of the insurmountable task that they have been facing for the past few years.
D&D signed up to adapt A Song of Ice and Fire. "Adapt" being the key word. When the show began, GRRM had publicly stated that he fully expected the sixth and possibly even the seventh novel to be published before the series ended. GRRM has struggled to keep his promise, and as a result D&D have now been forced to finish a story that the mastermind himself is struggling to complete.
They bit off more than they expected to chew, and on top of that GoT turned out to be the most popular television show on the planet, so everyone is watching them.
They didn't ask for this. They didn't ask to have 12 million people scrutinizing their job creating a story that wasn't meant for them to create. They just wanted to adapt their favorite book series.
Nonetheless, the show is hugely popular and GRRM's books can't help them anymore.
People wonder why the final seasons are so short when clearly there's so much story to tell, but isn't it obvious? D&D are likely incredibly tired and overwhelmed. They've been at this thing for years and it's only gotten more difficult as time has gone on. They have other interests and career ideas to pursue. The longer the show goes on, the longer they have to deal with the fan's scorn, and the more chances they have to screw everything up.
I commend them for finishing the series and I'm excited to see what ending they have in store for us. I can't imagine how difficult it must be.
Which head would be better stitched on the Mountain's shoulders? Robert or Joff? Which would make for the more hilarious reveal when Cersei runs to his protection in desperation?
Ryder Russell
/brit/
Oliver Walker
Brienne is best girl and you cant prove me wrong
Isaac Price
They could always resign and let someone else handle the micro-management as they assume producer role instead. Also they make some comically bad interpretations of the books. It's not even about adapting what's realistic for TV. It's them flat out misunderstanding character motives and traits.
Blake Miller
>When Jaime shows up to try to get Cersei out of the city, she has this speech about just wanting the baby to survive. Jaime tells her that the baby never mattered, that only she mattered, that only they mattered. That's when they die together.”
Oliver Perez
>jannies actually deleted the spoilers
Where did Yea Forums ever go wrong that these onions-fed, dickless spongecakes ended up running the site?
This is why I'm excited for the finale. It's shaping up to be End of Evangelion of television. I hope they have the balls to pull a IT ALL KEEPS TUMBLING DOWN ending.
Ian Morgan
The "Final War" is a red herring, the big twist is that there's a season 9, and Westeros's folly after having learned nothing from the "Great War" at Winterfell has only left them weaker for the return of the Night King.
Jackson Campbell
Euron wins, final shots are a bunch of minor/written out/previously unknown book characters (including darkstar for autists) leading armies implied to be the next in contention for the throne Little details don't matter.
Jeremiah Williams
If it’s any consolation I did save Rhaella from marrying Aerys in AGOTCKII by marrying her off to a son of House Reyne, her and her hubby had one son and she died of a broken heart after her hubby died
Hire better writers then. Other shows have a completly original story and don't struggle to tell it at all. Sopranos breaking bad just to name a few wherent even based upon anything. Even got initial 4 seasons based on the books was a sub par adaptation with alot of stuff changed omitted or simply fucked up. Fuck op and got I know the cast lurks here
Accidental medication overdose with alcohol consumption?
Luis Lewis
>and as a result D&D have now been forced to finish a story that the mastermind himself is struggling to complete. bull fucking shit. Just do Lady Stone heart, aegon blackfyre, there is still plenty of material to cover
honestly they should have just adapted the first 3 books. grrm himself stated that originally it was only gonna be a trilogy and both FC and DD have recieved lukewarm reviews. focusing only on the first 3 books would have allowed them to ignore storylines that werent complete and develop the ones that really mattered up until that point.
Charles Fisher
imagine writing that
Oliver Butler
It's that obvious in the book too, honestly. Here comes Awesome McCoolguy to save the day, who totally FUCKS. You just know he's gonna end up eating shit, and he does.
Those kikes demonstrated they are not only incompetent, but they will intentionally shit all over decent material to accommodate psychotic SJW's on social manipulation media cancer.
But it doesn't matter because they've already won enough shekels to walk away for life, all for being kike hacks.
KYS op, you whiteknighting faggot.
Lucas Jones
I simply don't believe they would be suicidal enough to actually commit to anything completely retarded, not when raising characters from the dead is an established part of the show.
it's more likely that the leaks are an organized campaign to disguise what will ultimately be a relatively cozy fanservice ending.
HBO probably knew if they fired the showrunners it would be really bad publicity for the show and a lot of viewers would tune out and it would hurt their reputation. Hindsight is 20:20 and now people are realizing D&D were shit, but a few years ago I'm sure fans would be angry if D&D got fired.
Michael Thomas
It's funny how they had 6 seasons of shitting on the books in favor of YAAS QUEEN and now they do a complete 180 and now all the tumblrinas are in a state of shock.
>episode 1 >more or less the same, no dragon flying montage, jon learns about his parentage early on, cersei sends bronn to assassinate tyrion only, theon save yara and goes to winterfell tormund and edd scene midway trough, episode ends with jaime and tormund and edd arriving at winterfell >episode 2 >almost the same but less filler, jon reveals his parentage to dany, theon arrives, pod sings jenny of oldstones midway trough the episode and Jaime knights brienne >bran does timtravelling, he learns the NK true intentions and identy >the NK was a greenseyer who just like bran trained with one of the first three eyed ravens >he was betrayed by the children and the raven when they turned him into the NK >the NK plans to eliminate westeros from the planetos to not only seek revenge for himself but because he knows both men and magic will lead to the destruction of the world >the whites attack, episode 2 ends with winterfell being engolfed in the ice storm arriving on viserion >episode 3 >massacre at winterfell >tormund, edd, pod, missandei, lyanna and brienne die >mass evacuation is put in motion as the wights storm winterfell, white walkers anihilate almost everything, the NK commands from above, very few make it out trough the secret passages and only a small portion of the army manages to escape on horseback >theon, jorah and ghost are the last deaths of the episode and they die covering the escape >episode 4 >pure survival horror in apocalyptic north full of wights >melisandre shows up to lead the survivors in the darkness >tensions between davos and melisandre >by the end of the episode her magic gives out and she dies >bronn finds the small group, he sees that cerseis political schemes and gold wont matter if they dont defeat the dead, he still wants his castle and tyrion and him make a similar deal like the one in episode 4 >tensions rise between jon and dany
They might have ruined the story, but they'll redeem themselves by making broadflakes cry over the finale
Lucas Lee
Everyone dies, KL is completely destroyed, Westeros splinters into independent kingdoms and eternal infighting again, Riverlands become permanently red with the peasant's blood, Dothraki create their own Khalisaar somewhere between Reach and Westerlands, Iron niggers raid everyone, NORF shuts everyone out at the neck and live comfy with old Gods, Vale becomes switzerland, Dorne is ignored and shit upon Make the normie viewers actually wish that the NK won
>Jamie with Cersei: Bobby's and Lancel's sloppy seconds, weak, frail, and mentally challenged inbred children >Jamie with Brienne: Untouched pussy (except the hound's foot), strong warrior children If jamie actually went back to fuck cersei then this show is even worse than it currently seems
Grayson Jenkins
>they
who
Gabriel Jenkins
Episode 5 leak >Qyburn is revealed to have moved kings landing with various mechanisms >It is renamed Qyburn's Landing in his honor >Euron recovers the dead dragon using scuba gear Qyburn invented >Qyburn attaches the dragon wings to the mountain >last scene is the flying mountain versus drogon >drogon kills the mountain >drogon removes their race revealing it was Arya all along
Mason King
>episode 5 >dany and jon pledge themselves to cersei in desperate attempt to defeat night king >cersei only shows them mercy because Jaime is with them >they are stationed outside kingslanding walls in tents, protected by the golden company >dany is depressed and her and jon talk, jon says that he doesn’t want the throne, they have a sex scene >jon tells arya and sansa his parentage, sansa tells tyrion and varys >varys begins questioning if jon would be a better ruler, but tyrion convinces him that both of them should rule as king and queen >meanwhile cersei has euron bring her Jaime, euron is suspicious of cerseis intentions since she wants to be alone with him >she comes onto Jaime but he refuses her advances >the two talk about cerseis plan to defeat the dead, cersei doesnt reveal much but jaimes warns her that the dead wont have time for shcemes >episode 5 ends with army of the dead arriving in kingslanding
this is unironically one of my favorite songs of all time
Anthony Howard
>literally the only man who ever slept with Brienne, decided to return to Cersei next day lmao
Justin Butler
>Laughably inconsisetent laws in the GoT universe >sequences ripped from the May battle sequence in the last jedi. > (((subversion))) at the cost of dismantling multiple character arcs. >but muh empathy, it's rlly hard to write a coherent story
Sage
Landon Watson
>Other shows have a completely original story and don't struggle to tell it at all.
yeah, there's like 5 of them, and most take episodes or even seasons to really get going.
they were asked MULTIPLE times during several seasons to lessen their workload and hire PROFESSIONAL WRITERS with a good track record to write 90+% of the shit.
but since they are arrogant shits they desided that only THEY can have the vision yada yada etc pp
Do somebody have the full image leak? I want to spoiler someone.
Luke Young
D&D are just as much to blame as GRRM. Long before they passed the books they were already ruining everything starting as far back as season 2, even if the last two books came out the show wouldn't be able to do it justice. They also could have milked the series longer to give him more time, but they spent half the series rushing through content for le epic moments.
Isaiah Perry
this meme that bad female characters are a result of male writers needs to stop. every single writer in the history of the world has written characters that do not neccissarily share traits with them, and sex is no different to writing for someone of an occupation the writer doesn't have. the problem with got's female characters is that they're bad characters, not that they're written by men, and the fact that the book counterparts to pretty much all of those characters are significantly better despite grrm also being a dude supports this.
Liam Bennett
literally the only way to save it would be to have the NK who died be a decoy, and for the real NK to flank everyone from the south with an undead army of Dornes
most of their changes in the first 4 seasons had a logical basis even if they were initially annoying, like making Robb's wife a more "modern" character then killing her.
But EoE actually fixed the show's ending. A more apt comparison would be the final two episodes of the Evangelion series, which also suffered budget cuts and were poorly thought out. But I agree with your sentiment though. Only thing I'm hype for now is the last episode being the biggest shitshow ever.
Gabriel Taylor
This show is bad enough that im only excited for seething normies
By the way /got/ better fucking rate the episode a 10 if she goes mad, I dont care how shit it is, we need to spite normies
Explain why they made several unecessary and incredibly damaging changes to original canon before the full fanfiction began
Logan Gomez
LEAK LEAK LEAK
>The Nightking warged into Bran before his death >At Kings Landing >Dany and Jons army will starting to loose against Cercei and Euron because of bad tactics, tactics that Bran suggested >Tyrion and Sansa call him out on that, but Bran pulls out a "no u" >Remeber how Dany asked Tyrion if he was just stupid or if he wants to betray her when he said that she can trusts Cersei? Well Dany remebers and hates Sansa so she tries to kills them by burning >Dracarys.wave >Jon jumps infront of Sansa to protect her, Dany jumps infront of Jon to protect him and to stop Drogon, but to late >You only see fire and then the smile of Dany just like the Nightking because she is fireproof >suddenly her smile drops, and she looks down >Jon stabbed Longclaw through her heart and now burning, he created Lightbringer >Meanwhile Bran reseructs the undead Targaryen and Lannister army >Cercei wants to burn them all and Jaimie kills her just like the mad king >Jon and Jaime go to Bran, still sitting in his wheelchair >Arya sneaks behind him and tries to kill him just like in Winerfell >Bran stands up, breaks her neck and throws her against Jon and Jaime >Jon looks in Aryas eyes and they turn blue, he stabs her with Lightbringer and she shuts her blue eyes for ever, now trully fulfilling Melisandeys prophecy
>fresh >May 5th wojack posters are really dumb, who would have thought.
Jackson Wood
>both FC and DD have recieved lukewarm reviews
from plebs. they're setups for the remainder of the story, the whole reason GRRM doesn't have to resort to D&D's mangled nonsense.
Matthew Wood
>darkstar >griff >belwas >varamyr sixskins >jalabhar xho >aurane waters >victarion >lady stoneheart >patchface Who would kill Euron?
Hunter Howard
imagine actually believing this literally all you have to say even if she's really fucking stupid and has no idea what cgi is, is "just pretend there's a ship on the sea", that's it
Jose Murphy
> episode 6 >episode lasts 2 hours >the final battle begins >dance of dragons, rhaegar dies to undead viserion >cerseis plan is revealed, she plans to blow up the city with all her enemies inside >euron starts making preparations >Jaime is kept in the red keep even though he wants to fight >jon and dany retreat with the golden company inside kingslanding >the golden company starts backstabing dany and jons army at the order of cersei >rhaegal is speared by euron when dany is burning whights >dany flees on drogon >the city is closed with most of the dead and the living inside >sandor fights off wights and makes his way to the red keep >arya follows him >cleganebowl happens >hound kills mountain but is fatally wonded >arya puts him down >varys, tyrion, sansa,bran and most of the useless fighters liek sam hide inside a home >meanwhile Jaime confronts cersei who is sipping wine waiting for eurons signal to leave and burn the city >cersei reveals her plan to Jaime and tells him to go with her, that they will get rid of euron and be together as they always imagined > theres an emotinal final talk between the two >they both fight, cersei stabs him while he strangles her >they die next to eachother >meanwhile the NK arrives >dany fights undead viserion on drogon, drogon is badly injured but manages to decapitate undead viserion, NK falls inside KL, drogon flies away with dany >jon and others fight off wights and the golden company joins them in trying to fight off the dead >beric uses bloodmagic on longclaw ingniting it for jon >the dead keep pushing the living, the entire kingslanding is being massacred >a portion of the army of the living start evacuating civillians on ships >euron sees this and deduces something has gone wrong and bails
>drogon lands with dany on a hill, heavily bleeding, dany watches kingslanding from afar, the screams and sounds of chaos filling the air >the living reach the red keep >they find the NK in the throne room, viserions body crashed inside >Jon and NK 1v1 >Jon and a few others fight the NK >beric gets a few good shots in, breaking his armor, revealing his icy skin where the dragonglass is >NK knocks out jon >1v1 between Beric and NK >beric holds his own for as long as he can >NK kills Beric >he turns his attention to jon who is still unconscious >Arya comes in with knife >NK grabs her >she begins to freeze from the neck up >jon stabs NK in the back mirroring ned and rowland killing arthur >army of the dead is defeated >drogon subcumbs to his wounds >aftermath shows euron being executed by yara in the iron islands >sam and gilly go back to horn Hill >gendry is made lord of stormsend as gendry baratheon >the reconstruction of kingslanding begins >dany sits on the throne >jon fucks off back to winterfell >dany realizes her thirst for the throne ruined her life as she lost all her friends and dragons >there is a scene similar to her vision in the house of the undying where snow falls inside the throne room, she looks around her and realizes she does not want this >she gives up the throne >small cousil creates democracy and destroys the throne >tyrion, davos, varys and bran rule >dany goes to winterfell to be with jon >jon gives his position to sansa and she becomes warden of the north >arya becomes a lone wolf, she finds nymeria and the pack again and her final scene is her walking away with nyemria >jon and dany leave winterfell with the rest of the free folk beyond the Wall >jon burries longclaw in the snow seeing as his purpose has been fullfilled, he walks off with dany and the freefolk >end of series
I still think they'll have Dany die then exonerate her and have Jon raise her from the dead.
Juan Fisher
Zoomer.
Josiah Edwards
why is she holding jojen like that?
Eli Phillips
>most of their changes in the first 4 seasons had a logical basis even if they were initially annoying No they didn't >like making Robb's wife a more "modern" character then killing her. How is that logical? Also where is the logic in- >Reducing Arya's assassin plotline in the early seasons and removing her best early plot point (Weasel Soup) >Making Jaime a kinslayer for absolutely no fucking impact on the story besides tarnishing his character >Renaming Theon's sister
What medieval time period is GoT supposed to be based off on? I know its a fantasy show that draws inspiration from many cultures but some of the armors are so weird. Barely any plate armor mixed with a ton of leather armor. Any real examples would be appreciated.
>make only black woman a slave again just before she dies, everyone loses their mind >have part of black woman's job be braiding Dany's hair and no one bats an eye the NPCs meme look less and less like memes desu
Sebastian Ward
oh it’s even worse than you think
Cameron Hill
You'd have to rewrite huge chunks and come up with an entire season worth of "ending" to do that. Book 3 doesn't have a satisfactory ending to the series.
Chase Rodriguez
the war of the roses so 15th century
Nathaniel Moore
Nothing in particular, it's just a clusterfuck of whatever they think looks cool (it tends not to in my opinion), with a vague late medieval theme.
Leo Lewis
The costume design went to shit. There's good comparison photos from early seasons where there's plenty of plate
Elijah Hernandez
>drogon kills the mountain >drogon removes their race revealing it was Arya all along
If you buy the theory that he managed to poison Tywin's drink while they were judging Tyrion's trial (hence the constipation and disgusting, rotten corpse at the funeral), plus Doran revealing at the end of book 5 that he and his brother were in on the plan the whole time, as well as conspiring to bring the Targs back to Westeros, he kind of did. Oberyn was basically on a kamikaze mission to seize the one opportunity his family would ever have to kill Gregor and Tywin. I mean, I'm sure he didn't *want* to die in the process, but he knew the risks and was willing to go for it.
Jackson Davis
They don't though. Remember that at the time people assumed Talisa was a Lannister spy because the idea that Jeyne was replaced with a spunky girl who talks down to the king was that fucking retarded. She's a non-character that D&D just invented to make the Red Wedding edgier. Logical if you view it through D&D's perspective of "shocking moments are the core of ASOIAF" but fucking retarded if you look at it from any other perspective.
Other changes are dumb too; why did they remove the Sansa/Sandor scenes and turn Sansa into literally just a crying girl for 4 seasons before magically becoming "Empowered" when she teams up with Littlefinger? There's literally no sound reason to change Sandor's backstory to be a story told to Sansa by Littlefinger rather than have Sandor deliver it to her, it just removes a character dynamic that frankly was one of the most interesting parts of Sansa's character.
To add to that, Tyrion getting changed was not only incredibly dumb and turns him from being an interesting character into "the dwarf that drinks and makes jokes" but it also once again links back to Sansa and makes her a less interesting character. Having Sansa actually despise Tyrion initially, and then see Tyrion's just as afraid as her makes her actually seem like a smart character, but in the show Tyrion's a lovely gentleman to her because he can do no wrong and Sansa stays being a crying moron.
Things were just barely being held together because of the solid source material the first 4 seasons, and nearly every change or omission from the books was for the worse, and once the majority of the series started to diverge from the books in season 5, it all fell apart.
They had time to prepare and hire someone to write. Didn't they run out of books by S5? They had years to figure this shit out.
Joshua Sanders
>oh no grrm is not releasing the books on time and we suck at writing, whatever will we do? >hire a better writer? >nah fuck that >YAAAAS
Christian Lewis
>Renaming Theon's sister Eh, of all of Asha/Yara's changes, that's not the problem. It's just a name. IIRC it was done to stop people confusing Osha and Asha since unlike the book, a lot of people will just be hearing the names and not reading them.
Mason Clark
Fuck off Dabid.
Nicholas Thompson
DUAL WIELD DABID U A L
W I E L D
Evan Rivera
I actually liked it
Wyatt Long
>war pigs
anyone who's played Rome 1 knows what they are a hard counter to.
War of the Roses. Plate armor wasn't as common back then and mostly reserved for nobility if at all, and the prevalence of leather is mostly due to the TV shows not knowing as much about historical armor. (Although IIRC the Hound has boiled leather in the books)
If it really was accurate, there would be WAY more gambesons and CHAINMAIL more than anything. Before the dragon-killing ballistas, the tech of weapons was pretty accurate with only the King really having a crossbow, they weren't widely used in England at least. That's just supposed to be in-universe in GoT though, but it's one example of many.
Luis Watson
Fuck off, Dabid and/or Dabid.
Logan James
>you now realize jorah was stabbed with a wildling knife trough plate armor what do you think now?
True, but that is subtle and well written and doesn't come off like a disney ending which was what I meant most series would do.
Cameron Clark
that dabid is crashing this series with no survivors (based)
Cameron Ramirez
Armor is for decorative purposes only in Game of Thrones.
Samuel Roberts
We don't really have a good sense yet for how dangerous Euron is in personal combat, only that he's ruthless, well-equipped, and also knows sorcery, but I'll try.
>Darkstar Could go either way. Darkstar is supposed to be pretty capable, but the most we've seen him do is fail to murder a child. Would probably just join Euron.
>Griff A callow kid. Dead in seconds.
>Belwas His penchant for letting his enemy wound him once will kill him. Euron probably poisons his weapons.
>Varamyr Sixskins Depends, are all his animals present? If yes, he might win. If not, definitely not. If Euron can pull a trick like Melly he's probably absolutely fucked, since Euron isn't going to be surprised by a warg.
>Jalabhar Xho Basically a nobody, dies easily.
>Aurane Waters Basically a nobody, dies easily/joins Euron.
>Victarion If we leave aside magic, we have to consider Euron's weapons. Victarion relies heavily on his armor to let him go ham; if Euron has a Valyrian steel weapon to go with his Valyrian steel armor, Victarion loses pretty easily. If not, it depends on whether or not Euron's own armor is enough to let him find a gap and shank a brother. Another disadvantage for Victarion: he's afraid of kinslaying, Euron isn't.
>Lady Stoneheart Nothing implies she's personally dangerous at all.
>Patchface Works for Euron already.
Liam Harris
Ep. 3 is only pure Kino for Jorah. Jorah was wearing leather actually. Plate/metal is cumbersome in cold conditions. Even then he was stabbed a few times and kept getting back up.
"Here I Stand".
Carter Murphy
You think Jorah had it bad? When the NK killed Theon, he stabbed him trough plate armor with the WOODEN half of the spear he took from him BRAVO, DABID
Mason Collins
They're just going to fuck up Star Wars. I have a bad feeling they want to adapt KOTOR. I'm sure they will misinterpret it as well. D&D got this job with very little experience working in television. Reminder that David Benioff's father is a former head of Goldman Sachs and is the former Chairman of the United States President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. istant cousin of Marc Benioff. 'As an adult, he uses the last name Benioff, his mother's maiden name, to avoid confusion with other writers named David Friedman.' >en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Benioff
Cooper Howard
ep 5 >the spider appears beside cersei >he was rewarded for sending a raven to euron to ambush daenerys >daenerys gets her final dragon to burn tyrion alive because of his incompetence >no one can convince her to stop >daenerys says she will burn them all >sansa plots to get daenerys assassinated >sansa sends samwell to tormund to tell him she needs help to install jon as the real king >sansa sends raven to sand people >jon recruits additional allies during his journey >jon gets raven about daenerys plan, her plan sucks >jon rushes to meet daenerys >arya is shown with a covered neck by wearing a brown scarf, hound notices but does not ask(ep 6: arya does not appear until the end of the ep, she is revealed to turn into a white walker) >hound and arya gets to kings landing, the hound stirs trouble and cersei gets warned.(ep 6 the mountain comes with an army to meet the hound, the hound manages to win the fight and stab the mountain in the heart, but the mountain continues to move, and headbutts the hound, and takes out the sword from his heart and cuts the hounds head off. the mountain dies as well.)
It's not a big deal it's just a good example of them changing shit on a whim. The Asha/Osha thing is stupid and even if they insisted on doing it, Osha is the one who should have gotten a new name, she was a much more minor character.
Brody Bell
>stabbings in got follow real world logic you clearly haven't watched season 6
Grayson Sanchez
British sitcoms have laughtracks you fucking buffoon
nevermind the strengh required would mean arya would be insta gibbed by getting grabbed by the throat
Ethan Phillips
The self-hating gook who posted this
Jeremiah Cruz
Dead, he was the high sparrow but didn't had the time to tell us.
Aiden Gutierrez
>act like you are the biggest GoT fan ever >dont actually read the books >dont actually pay attention to the show because you are at a bar yelling at LE EBIN MOMENTS >the fact that Dany is a terrible leader, was gifted most of what she has either by birth or by using her dragons goes completely over your head >D&D turn the show even more in your favor because of ratings and sideline mad and incompetent Dany for most of the episodes and only let it show here and there >D&D have to come to the same ending as GRRM >... >Endless Tumblr tears
BRAVO
Kayden Sanders
Care to rephrase this nonsense into an actual point?
Michael Williams
he wasnt even wearing plate armor, showfags need the rope
Ryan Wright
dubs u b s
Cameron Morgan
The prevailing rumor actually is KotOR/Revan, but set slightly before during the first outbreak of the Revan/Malak betrayal right after the Mando Wars.
Tyler Smith
Why would you need to revive stannis when he never died?
We never saw Stannis died, it was only implied. No major character has ever stayed dead after only being implied to be dead. Stannis is alive.
Isaac Anderson
but there were early guns and shit by then
Alexander Young
top kek this, also don't forget NK's armor left his fucking midriff exposed
Jacob Jones
Ghost
Ethan Gonzalez
the self hating white male that posted this
Ryan Harris
Yeah but Osha was introduced in season 1, and Yara in season 2. They likely didn't see the problem until Yara was introduced and it was too late to change Osha's name.
Chase Jackson
>D&D just want KOTOR to do the Revan twist I believe it
I wouldn't doubt it. They're all about reactions. They're basically like that react channel with the jews on youtube but with tv shows/movies.
Jordan Gray
B-buh baby boy. They could have written a story. Something worthy of the books complexity. Instead they wrote set pieces, shock value, pandering to the lowest common denominator for season after season. The contrived and outlandish journeys ping ponging across the entire continent to get people into the same room so they can have sex and nothing else. Things work only when they need to. Where coincidence and hollywood schlock is the law of the land. And then after doing all that to strip down the plot, characters, and story to something entirely nonsensical they go for a cheeky ironic ending. GRRM loves cheeky ironic endings. But you can’t give a show like this a cheeky ironic anticlimax ending. People don’t watch this show to see characters do misdeeds in their pursuit of harmony. Or watch characters struggle with complex moral quandaries.They are here for rawr dragon queeeen burn bad booyy! And snow guy cum berk frum ded have big epic sward fite. They did this precisely in a way to make the most people unhappy.
So A. They’re doing it on purpose, or B. They’re grossly incompetent, or C. Both.
Sebastian Cook
Wrong, he easily could have summoned help with his legendary AAAAAAAAGHGHGH Shout.
Kayden Robinson
It's leather made from stonemen.
Jaxson Harris
Found the leftist gook
Benjamin White
>Things were just barely being held together because of the solid source material the first 4 seasons, and nearly every change or omission from the books was for the worse, and once the majority of the series started to diverge from the books in season 5, it all fell apart. Based and redpilled. I've been telling people this for years but they just accused me of being a "MUH BOOKS ARE BETTER" fag.
Thomas Walker
Robb's marriage needed to be a choice because Robb isn't a side-character in the show so an impactful event can't be left off-screen. so they wanted multiple scenes of the lovers getting to know each other which meant for plot reasons that she had to be traveling with the army. hence Talisa's dumb "travelling medic" concept.
I get there's no point in my just telling you that it doesn't matter who tells Sansa Sandor's backstory, or that Weasel soup isn't an important scene, so I'm going to leave it there.
>Final battle outside King's Landing >Jon has found out his sword can talk from the pommel >Longclaw: Looks like these defences are tougher than we first thought >Jon: You're right! We need Wolfzord power! >Jon's new theme, "White Ranger Lupine Power" starts playing >A giant white wolf mecha with red eyes appears >Jon leaps on top of it and starts fighting the supersized Gregor Clegane, defeating him >Qyburn uses his magic to transform Cersei into a giant bipedal Lioness >Jon, being half Targaryen, uses his dragon flute to call the Dragonzord from the oceans outside of King's Landing, but then let's Daenerys pilot it >The Wolfzord and Dragonzord are still no match >Jon: We need Megazord power now! >All of the characters from the different houses start calling upon their sigil zords: Eagle from the Arryns, a bear from the Mormonts (there's a survivor), stag from the baratheons etc >Lightbringer is called from the skies and the Megazord uses it to slash Cersei, who falls over and explodes >Jon becomes king
Connor Young
THATS LITERALLY LEATHER BROWN YOU MORON
Gabriel Mitchell
Stannis is not Ned
Alexander Cook
they don't deserve empathy.
Why? They got so full of themselves after the few series they were having creative differences and disagreements with GRRM himself.
Why is that relevant? Here's why. The show COULD have been saved if they were humble and accepted the help of other writers. If they thought they knew better than GRRM, do you really think they would have been open to listening to any other writers? No, they got big headed and thought they could do no wrong and sunk the ship.
Samuel Thompson
It really is. I never was on the hate train and the seething i saw in those threads only made that episode much more tasty to me. Glad you joined the club.
Levi Long
Yes that is leather user, it's incredibly obvious.
Andrew Sanchez
Unironically Patchface, Euron wants to summon the Drowned God, but patches is the Drowned God’s one true prophet, mashallah
Austin Peterson
If D&D are going to be awful writers the least they couldve done is go full camp.
Robb wasn't even in the second book. He went off fighting in the Westerlands and we only heard from him through Cat getting the news. So basically D&D would have had to separate Robb from the rest of his supporting cast and have him do battles, even though they had no battle budget back then. It made more sense to create a new wife character and have her show up in the established war camp setting.
Eli Mitchell
That's how leather segments and folds and sheens, yes its leather. Why would you wear plate in the freezing cold? The cold is not metal's friend, not to say there aren't plenty of other stupid shit in that episode, such as The Hound/Brienne wearing metal, or Theon getting killed by a wooden spear, but still.
Josiah Richardson
It would be SUCH an easy thing to have literally a single line in the planning scene pointing out that they've been forced to start cutting down trees in KL to prepare for the approaching winter to explain how different it looks.
Isaac Reed
>People only hate the show when they feel personally slighted
casuals on the internet were coming up with better ideas and solutions than D&D did in FIVE minutes of the show airing. If they weren't up their own asses someone could have read over the screenplay for them and told them the dumb parts
Jackson Allen
So wait based on this We are gonna get new show runners yes? Thank fuck as I know sequel and prequels are coming Lmao OK I know alot more then that but in terms of whats popular yeah most of it is adapted
Luke Thompson
requesting Drogo edit
Brody Anderson
You’re so full of yourself you don’t know what people like Dave and Dan go through, how much suffering and pain they get fromfans.
They’ve dobe a phenomenal job and have earned our trust.
Why hasn't this been done before? Why was Jorah's stonemen plot so dumb in the show?
Caleb Martinez
Later on in that video they shittalk Ian Mcelhinney for disagreeing with their decision to kill Barristan. Apparently he wrote them a letter saying it was a bad idea to do it and they talk about how it made them want to kill him.
Shame since he had read the books and thought the show would do ghem justice.
He was wearing a thick garment and leather, in addition to plate armour
Samuel Ward
>if the show is shit there should be more of it to fix the problems!
fans who unironically think this works are morons.
Matthew Rodriguez
Yeah I know all that, it doesn't make it any less retarded. They already had the books during season 1 and Asha is an important character, if it was a big deal then they should have realized it before even shooting anything. They don't care about changing things even for very stupid reasons.
James Hughes
>Q+A segment >they immediately go to the booze
Noah Walker
See
Nathan Ramirez
>it doesn't matter who tells Sansa Sandor's backstory But it does. In the books, the scene where Sandor tells her what happened, there's more to it than just an exposition dump, there's bonding between the two characters and Sansa showing kindness to Sandor. This isn't the end of their relationship either. In the show, she gives him a glare that suggests she's still repulsed, and that's basically it for their entire character relationship on the show. Then after she's nearly raped she still looks afraid and repulsed, and at the Blackwater there are hints of more of a relationship, but that's just because GRRM wrote that episode and it literally never goes anywhere because they don't share a scene for the next 6 seasons after that.
Blake Edwards
A lot of the problems actually could be fixed with just better pacing, ie: More of the show.
It is a bit weird like that Crossbows also seem to be few in numbers compared to how it was during the high medieval age
Alexander Gonzalez
>those poor cowboy builders, you don't know how much suffering and pain they go through from previous customers ;_:
cry me a river, they are there to do a job, they did a bad job.
Dylan Brown
That's quite depressing, Barristan definitely should have lived. Anybody that says it was a good idea is retarded.
Landon Perez
why didn't cersei kill everyone when they were meeting at the gates?
Hunter Barnes
>yfw the final battle is between a lovecraft juggalo and Coldsteel the Darkstar
Xavier Collins
Does it exist in the books? Seemed so inconcludent that it should have been pure D&D magic. But what i still don't understand is the point of Sam as a whole. He's done nothing relevant beside minor things that literally any random one could have done. The fact that he saved Jorah while Dany burned his family could have led to interesting conflitcts for Jon but the thing was forgotten in minutes.
Nicholas Thompson
The leaks... they were true... all of them...
Elijah Hall
That’s thick leather formed in that shape. Not iron.
Levi Young
No, they somehow learned about ASOIAF and were intrigued by the epic twists of Ned's death and the red wedding. They wanted to make a show out of this and because of the zombie craze of that time they sold it as Walking Dead X LotR. The series pretty much only revolved around the white walkers as zombie fan lure and a lead up to red wedding sprinkled with tits. It was also pretty easy to write since it was already written in detail. After s3 the show was over. S4 was basically an epilogue but DnD already lost interest. It was only good due the GRRM's involvement and he still wrote eps. But the lack of interest showed itself in the reluctance to introduce more of the characters from the books after s3.
You basically needed the Long Night to be a season or a half-season long, with several episodes where the living just get blown the fuck out and characters are killed off.
Angel Rivera
What was the last kino moment of this show
Chase Perez
He still has his head, rested. It's implied that he didn't get beheaded and instead they sent a dwarfs head in place of his to Dorne.
Hudson Flores
Davos canonically owns a glock. Also its war of the roses without all the ranged weaponry basically, or at least that part of history and creation in ASOIAF stagnated heavily by comparison.
Eli Gray
Grow up
Kayden Hernandez
I wonder if Barristan dying in the books will be what sets Dany into burn them all mode?
Sebastian Roberts
Thats a fair assessment of the "problem", but their solution was retarded and they had a thousand better ones at their disposal. You could do the entire Jeyne plot exactly the same but keep Robb with the other characters in his plotline for the most part. He only needs to be apart from Cat and the rest for 1 episode to be injured, Cat hears via letter that he is recovering somewhere, next episode he returns with Jeyne and the news. And even if you somehow didn't want to do any of that and insisted on doing a completely original character, what they chose was among the worst possibly story routes they could have picked. They LITERALLY used a cliche that GRRM is quoted as shitting on, and played it completely straight and unironically, not only using bad writing as a crutch, but also destroying Robb's character in the process.
Jackson Turner
>Does it exist in the books? No.
Josiah Barnes
Doesn't jive with Bran's visions.
Nathan Sanchez
Isn't the time the show started going to shit was when Disney hired them for SW? They just want to get it over with now and make epic reactions on the Revan twist now.
Joseph Nelson
>mfw got a bunch of (you)s triggering retards over armor
exactly this, long night should have been a season of it's own, Westeros overran with wights and snowing everywhere, people taking refuge in castles and strongholds
Mason Rogers
No, that's a completely different character in the book. So I'm interested to see how Jorah will justify Dany not burning down KL once she arrives, because that's something Jorah would easily suggest.
Blake Davis
>how much suffering and pain they get fromfans. OH POOR YOU!
>books: robb dies due to honor >show: robb dies due to fairytale romance
Aaron Ortiz
>THEY STOPPED INTRODUCING NEW CHARACTERS.
This part always gets me. No one added post-season-4 has any consequence whatsoever. It’s clear and obvious who are protagonists are to the point I’m not even sure if anyone else is even alive in Westeros besides who we see onscreen. Everyone else died off in favor of the select fan favorites.
Hudson Thomas
You do know you wear plate on top of a nice gambeson and not over some thin shirt right?
Michael Cooper
Have sex (with me)
Jose James
I quit game of thrones in season 5 and quit the first book within the first 5 chapters i don't care who you are, if you are to adapt something you're supposed to be good at story writing. if as soon as your books run out you flumble, fumble, flail and fail, you're not a good writer. anybody could have adapated those books >we can't show ________ >well fuck it make Arya blind for an episode that's how easy it is
Tyler Morgan
the bells thing MUST be fake. if they pull the DING DING thing it will reach ratings below 2/10. they would commit carreer suicide basically at that point
The bells leak is from the lea that claims the Unsullied will rape people. /got/ is retarded for believing it.
Grayson Edwards
Barristan's death was just baffling. It wasn't even sure that he died when the episode ended because it looked like he got saved by Grey Worm. Then the next episode opens and it's his dead corpse on a pedestal. Very anticlimactic and underwhelming for such a character.
Austin Howard
you're a fucking idiot, confirmed.
it's not a charity, it's a JOB. They are getting paid big money to do it.
Think about that when you yourself grow up and have to hire someone to do some work for you, you will re-think your stance.
Landon Sullivan
i'm really hoping the bells thing is real because holy shit the memes would be incredible
Blake Collins
Name the Top 10 Knights of Westeros/Essos that exist within GoT/ASOIAF.
Hard Mode: Nobody that was dead prior to the events at the beginning.
Ian Smith
BASTA
Thomas Butler
>GRRM is a "mastermind".
Bull fucking shit. He's going to keel over and die before he writes those final books. And you know why? It's because long fantasy book series are cursed. CURSED. There has been no long running fantasy book series with an adequate ending. Every single one has crashed and burned or the author has keeled over and died before completion.
It's easy to string the audience along with intrigue and mysteries and character redemption arcs. But tying everything up, creating a satisfying conclusion, is something very few authors are capable of.
Name one long running fantasy book series that tied up all of its various threads adequately in the final books. I fucking dare you.
GRRM doesn't want to finish his books because he knows he can't do it. He wants to die leaving this "great unfinished fantasy masterpiece" because if he finishes it he'll simply be known as yet another fantasy author who made a decent book series with a craptastic ending that makes the whole series not worth reading.
Brody Martinez
based boar bustin’ bobby-b
Sebastian Wright
>unsullied will rape people Lmao , how? They have no dicks
Blake Ross
Isn't the "i won't be the queen of the ashes" an attitude that she has in the books too? Can only think of specific prisoners in KL to prevent the attack. Even in the show both Olenna and sand sneks would have been incredibly useful now.
Kevin Ramirez
based selmyposter
Gabriel Adams
Only people who wore any semblance of real armor was everyone in pic related and the cleganes
Is his head so small or just shoulders are too big?
Isaac Sanders
yes I feel so sad for the two rich hack writers who are getting richer by the minute for their work. Truly a great tragedy.
Nolan Butler
It’s hugely popular and loved. They’ve done a great job adapting it to screen with some of the biggest and best battles of all time. What pisses you off? The fact that women are portrayed as strong and capable and with no need of male hand holding??
Chase Bailey
this is what I expected. wright will crush them but they fucked it up. good job lad. My fav part was danny surrounding to cercie. just one thing is that jon and danny ending. it's still incest and jon was not very found of that. so that's no gonna happen. overall 8/10
Joseph Reyes
>Dany's army captures Jaime. >Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler. >Arya murders Varys. Then she attacks King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell. >Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses. >Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city. >King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet. >Drogon removes his mask. It was Arya all along. >The Hound fights his brother. They both get wounded. Arya appears in the end to finish them off. >Jaime fights Euron and kills him. >Jaime makes it to Cersei and Arya kills them both. Cersei because she’s on the list, Jaime because he left Brienne. >Arya is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset. >Danny has Arya arrested for going on that murdering rampage >Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because Arya is rutheless and wants to kill every Lannister. >Jon tries to talk to Arya but she justifies her actions. >Jon tries talking to Bran about her. >Bran tells Jon about Danny having made fun of him for being a manlet. >He goes into a full manlet rage and stabs her.
A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end. In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.
The episode ends with Bran alone in the throne room. He stands up and slowly walks to a nearby window.
>“Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe” Bran says, removing his mask. >And who are you
>Do you know who Lord of Storm's End is? >Does anyone here? >Do the writers?
Jonathan Morgan
it could be the dothraki considering that fifty percent of them survived lol
Robert Green
They were all wearing leather because they ran out of metal and plastic for proper armor. Then had Sansa babble something about steel is too cold and they should wear leather instead to make her sound smart as an excuse for the refit. That's how retarded the whole production is.
Jace Gray
Buggery
Justin Young
Dude, they just needed a predictable ending with kino quality and that was it. Put the fight for the living as the most important thing instead of the fight for the Throne. Put Jon and the NK fighting. Make Daenerys and Jon be married. Then kill one, or both, or no one. Put Tyrion or Jaime killing Cersei. But just do it good. For example, Ned's death and red wedding were predictable but they caught you by surprise because of the brutality and how well made the scenes were made. And that's all what we asked for.
Jacob Wilson
Lv. 99 Max Stat Arya Barristan Oberyn The Mountain Jaime (Two hands)/Jorah Brienne/The Hound/Daario/Grey Worm Jaime (One Hand) Tormund
William Rivera
are you a misoginyst
Andrew Perez
"leak" said with the blunt end of their weapons which is even more retarded
Brayden Brown
It never said the unsullied would rape people, the Dothraki are doing the raping, people just assumed it would be unsullied because the dothraki should all be dead.
Tyler Hernandez
Bugger bugger bugger
Jace Hughes
To some degree yes, but the books also have her with emotional/anger issues because she's a teenage girl who bottles up her emotions.
Sebastian Gray
when dany attacks the city the lannister forces supposedly start to surrender and they ring a bell in the city that signals surrender. for some reason dany's autism will kick in and she goes into crazy/rage mode
>to avoid confusion with other writers named David Friedman Like pottery
Jason Jenkins
>to make her sound smart They didn't even imply it. Both that Vale's lardass and littlefinger pointed out how smart that comment was and how fit for command she was. It was honestly embarassing.
Blake Wright
that's irrelevant. my question is why is brienne in a picture with a lannister, a baratheon (read: lannister), a lannister, a lannister, and a lannister?
Ethan Davis
>Jorah on the same level as two handed Jaime
Lincoln Hall
GRRM is the boomiest boomer who ever boomed. The only thing he’s master of finishing is his Denny’s fucking slam breakfast. Half the fucking characters and places are references to Grateful Dead songs ffs.
I’d wager he’s dead in the next 3 years and we have a 2,500 page draft for Winds of Winter sitting under his corpse on the bathroom floor.
Jace Hernandez
It's about Cersei, she flips her shit when the bells start ringing because she doesn't want to surrender.
Robert Davis
>Name one long running fantasy book series that tied up all of its various threads adequately in the final books. I fucking dare you.
Lord of the Rings should count. Wheel of Time is generally considered to have concluded well even though the author died. (GRRM was a friend of his, apparently.)
Dominic Miller
She's on the lannister side during that time in the show. Thats right around the time her and jaime return to king's landing he gives her the sword.
Nolan Perez
Well, not really. They didn't have the budget to show Robb's battles, but even if you skip that, him getting injured, then recuperating, then learning of Bran's and Rickon's deaths, then getting with Jeyne in a moment of weakness are still part of the story. As user has pointed out earlier, Robb is much more significant in the show than in the books, so you can't have such major development for him happen off-screen. Plus, Talisa being a rando made it possible to have her dramatically murdered at the Red Wedding.
That said, you're right about the Robb x Talisa rom com subplot being god awful.
Liam Sullivan
Underrated
Lincoln Kelly
Jorah beat Jaime at a Tournament after 9 blows and is respected by pretty much everyone in the world other than his family and Ned.
It was a stalemate in jousting and they broke 9 lances. Bobby was bored or pissin himself already so he just gave the victory to Jorah.
Brandon Johnson
They’ll ruin kreya bros
Michael Brown
kino armor tbqh
Kayden Nguyen
Greyworm and his dwindled minions corner Cersei after Hound has dispatched Mountain by setting a trap with Arya as willing bait.
Greyworm stabs Cersei in the belly and rips out fetus, Jaime slides in to see this and goes crazy, he kills some Unsullied then attempts to place the fetus back, and Euron enters and decapitates Jaime and kisses Cersei before mercy killing her. Cersei bites his lip off so he doesn't forget her. He is turned on enough to fight Greyworm to the death.
Meanwhile Dany has been gifted more dragons eggs, a dozen, by a late arriving sellsword crew. Varys and Tyrion both hear this and rush to her with guards, one to kill her, one to save.
Tyrion wins, Dany is saved. Her eggs are cast into fire, and hatch in fiery orgasm. But what Tyrion doesn't know is that Dany has ordered Jon Snow dead so that she can rule as Queen of Dragons. Only Bran can see this. The dragon hatching foretells the future.
Bran hyper-wargs into Ghost and rips Dany's throat out, as Snow watches with Tyrion, disbelieving that Ghost could do this. Bran dies from the transference. Ghost finishes off ten baby dragons before Snow chases him off. The Hound kills Mountain and then sets off with Arya to live an adventure together, maybe romantically. Snow is haunted by baby dragons looking to him as their father.
Sansa takes the Iron Throne with Ghost, the dog licks it chops of dragon blood. This makes Ghost have dragon eyes. The Starks have leveled up via Sansa. Bran's corpse opens its eyes. Ambiguous. Cut to black.
Ian Garcia
it's a copypasta numnuts
Carson Cox
>Wheel of Time is generally considered to have concluded well even though the author died.
No one in their right mind should read fourteen 1,000 page books knowing the last three were completed by someone else because the author died.
Samuel Nelson
>Well, not really. They didn't have the budget to show Robb's battles, They hardly showed any battles, thats irrelevant to his love interest. >but even if you skip that, him getting injured, then recuperating, then learning of Bran's and Rickon's deaths, then getting with Jeyne in a moment of weakness are still part of the story. You can easily show all this in the same manner that Talisa got screen time. >As user has pointed out earlier, Robb is much more significant in the show than in the books, so you can't have such major development for him happen off-screen. Robb is only more significant in the show because of these scenes and the fact that they chose to make him more significant. Even if Robb's significance was a problem (it's not) then it would be a problem they created themselves, and then fixed with a much, much bigger problem. >Plus, Talisa being a rando made it possible to have her dramatically murdered at the Red Wedding. You can kill her regardless of character, it doesn't matter who she is.
While true, that is still an extreme accomplishment, especially when he ends up respected by Golden Company, Second Seconds, Braavosi, Dothraki, etc. and this is before meeting Dany.
>"I fight as well as any man, Khaleesi, but I have never been a tourney knight. Yet with Lynesse’s favor knotted round my arm, I was a different man. I won joust after joust. Lord Jason Mallister fell before me, and Bronze Yohn Royce. Ser Ryman Frey, his brother Ser Hosteen, Lord Whent, Strongboar, even Ser Boros Blount of the Kingsguard, I unhorsed them all. In the last match, I broke nine lances against Jaime Lannister to no result, and King Robert gave me the champion’s laurel."
The names on this list are quite insane, especially considering some would be more in their prime then. Jorah is extremely skilled, especially when he has the power of Love flowing through his body like its Ultra Instinct.
Josiah Harris
A lot of the hype Jorah gets in Essos is mitigated because westerosi knights are far superior to dothraki savages.
Isaiah Reed
based
Camden White
Valyrians are Melniboneans you pleb fuck
Josiah Thompson
Well you have a point about those he did beat. I dunno, I'm just not quite sure if I'd put him up there on the same level as Jaime. Maybe after I think about it a bit I'll reconsider.
Julian Rogers
True, but he's still damn accomplished. If it makes you fell better put Jorah (No Love) below Tormund, and Jorah (Love) with Jaime (Two Hands), and Jorah (Protecting Dany's Life) up there with Lv. 99 Arya.
Now I feel like I'm doing anime power levels, I gotta stop.
Caleb Powell
timestamp??
Carson Gonzalez
The guy furthest to the left reminds me of that asshole detective from House M.D.
Justin Ortiz
It is leather because it has the "rivets" along the edge to hold it together.
Kevin Foster
>Albino
The entire gimmick of Bloodraven is that he was the only Targ with albinism and everyone found him creepy as fuck as a result
Kayden Watson
Danny burns down Kings landing.
Necromancer dudes eyes roll back and turn blue. Ice horns grow.
Mountains eyes roll back, turn blue.
Returned Ice King raises dead.
Danny horrified at what she did and what resulted from it.
Jon struggling to not turn into a zombie, because he was also resurrected.
Danny rushes in to suicide bomb the Ice King with Drogon.
