Dany is not the mad queen just yet

god I want to eat her poop

So much for ned's legacy and honour.

Disgraceful. The north deserves to be scorched.

DA NORF REMEMBUHS

>bitch kills your friend in front of you
>you make an angry face
>LOOK SHE'S GONE MAD!!
Lmao

Imagine if Ned was alive to see his whore daughters. I think Joffrey did him a kindness removing his head.

>hated by both incels and tumblrinas now
All is right in the world, finally. This is how Daenerys should've been from the start.

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>Yes, it's kinda stupid that Cersei didn't try to kill them all at that moment
it is not stupid. cersei wants dany to attack with dragon so she can blow up half of the kings landing after which people will love cersei again for saving them from the mad queen

>complicated plan that will end in cersei being cooked alive inside the castle
>or you could just kill her right there and end your problems
That's the retarded tyrion approach

Don't use the retarded tyrion approach

>forgets what an oath is in 10 seconds
>forgets what dany did for the north while the bodies of the dead are still warm
God I get more angry every time I think of this episode

you fucking cunts, if CIA did that you would praise him. i agree that sansa is shit character and becoming genius overnight is one of the worst things to happen in got, but there is literally nothing wrong with subtly turning tyrion against dany from her point of view

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The same humiliation/shaming tactics that leftists freaks always use.
Everyone had a duty to defend against the undead, as the alternative was extinction of humanity as a whole. That kaleesi brings it up at all as some kind of favour is telling of her attitude.
Ned wouldn't have thought twice about helping anyone against humanity's greatest threat, even if it meant the destruction of his house thereafter.
Duty was his path, something you don't understand.
Sansa was asking for a couple of weeks to rest the men to make an attack more viable. Who was right? The rash child that just sent another dragon and half her army into the sea, and now wants to burn the civilian population of the south?

Yes there's nothing wrong from the point of view of an envious backstabbing treacherous cunt.

It runs in the Tully family, so can't blame her.

>Sansa was asking for a couple of weeks to rest the men to make an attack more viable.
Bullshit. She was just buying more time to plot against Dany. Dany saw right through her shit. Dany could've had Sansa burned right there and then for defying her.

This.

Only because her last dragon is vulnerable. The entirety of her power was having invulnerable super weapons.

On her own she’s weaker than Cersei.

>Cersei most certainly had something prepared in case Dany snapped
like gunning down everyone there with her 20 ballistas like she should've done anyway...

C H U N K Y S A L S A

gods i love that bitch

>but the ballistas couldn't target Drogon where he was
why not? he's sitting in an open field right in front of them, that's the best shot they could ever hope for
and don't give me any range bullshit, if they can snipe a dragon out of the sky before it even notices the fleet it's firing from, it can shoot one in an open field

But my knee is bent. How do you explain that.

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she'll be hanging out in a deep pool with a glass of wine

This, plus if the dragon really was out of range (which should be pretty fucking far), cersei would only really need to sally out and engage that puny force.
Once they were in melee, the dragon can't do shit or it will burn dany, if he comes before then, all they have to do is lure him closer to the walls, then butcher it.

>had her burned
>defying her
Sansa never swore fealty to the foreign usurper. It's like me walking into Buckingham palace and saying "right, I'm talking over, do what I say", they'll look at me like a lunatic.
The dragon queen has no footing in these lands, her only backer is jon, and he did it out of necessity to fight the dead. She came with the intent of invasion and fighting every last claimant to the throne, she is extremely lucky that jon sought her out as an ally instead of just attacking her.

>when you're the daughter of a mad king that has killed a Stark Lord and his son in recent memory
>when you claim to be the Queen of the 7 Kingdoms and protector of the realm
>when you make the elected KitN your prisoner
>when you try to make him kneel,
>even when all he wants is dragon glass, to fight a threat you know it's real
>when you make him go on a dangerous quest for you
>when you go save him, but ends aiding the enemy and accelerating the war
>when you arrive and take joy in the terror of peasants seeing your dragons
>when you are mainly useless on the fight
>when you are surprise the Northmen don't want to be subjugated

She can't claim at the same time to be the Queen and that she gave the North a favor, when the NK was a threat for all and she'd have been killed if Arya Stark didn't kill him then.

>burn dany
Welcome to the television series, The Gaming Throne, have happy time!

Your King swore loyalty. You swore loyalty to your King. Simple as.

well said particularly about the suicide mission

Next episode she gets anal full-nelson'd in front of her army by Euron "the big cock" Greyjoy.
Screencap this.

Sansa was lady of the north, if Jon seems like a traitor because of some used up foreign vagina, then she can ignore his choices and do what she considers right for her people.

Oh yeah, she's fucking fire proof in the show, regardless I don't think cersei knows that.
Everyone else would still die, and dany would be left defenseless.

Though it does like she is in range of the ballistas so it shouldn't matter.

He was the elected King. They gave him power, and he gave it away as if it was nothing. As if his brothers and their mothers didn't die for this. As if the North hasn't bleed for this. They are pissed and with reason.

euron is a pathetic shitball low-tier character and should have died five seconds after being introduced.
she can be full nelson anal raped by the mountain while the dancing spear faggot's head is paraded around by a jester saying "you raped them, you murdered them".

No, she can't. Breaking your oath means betrayal and Jon has all the rights to behead her for this.
Obviously won't happen, but that's how it is. Like when Robb beheaded Karstark because he disobeyed.

>Sansa never swore fealty to the foreign usurper.
So she's even more of a traitor. BURN HER

>They are pissed
Nobody in the north is pissed except Sansa. And that's because she wants his dick more than anything.

His duty is to protect his people, he did that. Dany saved his ass in the lands beyond the wall (saving also Beric which will save Arya which will kill the KN, so no Dany no victory). Helped them in exchange for their loyalty. The guys that fucked off because they didn't like it (Umber? don't remember) got what they deserved and all the Norf would be in the same situation if it wasn't for her.

dany could just walk around under a massive umbrella of fire the whole time. given that the dragon breath can turn men to ashes instantly and explode wagons, buildings etc, it should be able to incinerate arrows and even supersonic ballista bolts with a constant stream of fire.
which makes you wonder why it didn't do that after being shot once.

Jon is not a King anymore. That was what Lady Mormont said to him, what are you now? He's Jon Snow, he hasn't been legitimized.
Warden of the North is a title Dany gave him. If the North reject their annexation, there's nothing he can do. He has no lands, no castle, no army. Only Dany's support.

That's not how that shit used to work or works in GRRMs setting. She is an oathbreaking plotter sowing discontent. I don't care about her character one way or the other, I only care about Jon at this point, but that is objectively what she is.

That would be kino, but everyone hates Euron so this would be even nicer for Danyfags.

She is a product of little finger, I would be surprised if she did not try to use that information in her favour.

Stop lying, danyfag.

>. Dany saved his ass in the lands beyond the wall
if it wasnt for dany, NK would never even get past the wall

Mad king was killed for treason against the land, Jon can be too.
Sansa is thinking about the north. She is the one who gathered all the northmen behind her.
Kaleesi should have stayed in her desert lands and not been greedy.

If it wasn't for Jon and his retarded wight kidnap mission. She did well rescuing Jon because otherwise the North would be lost to her. But whatever, this whole show stinks of bad forced writing now. Dany is facing too much opposition over nothing.

If she didn't send him there in the first place, the NK wouldn't have a undead dragon, the wall would most likely still stand and they'd have more time to prepare to fight him.
So, as far as I can see, more died due to her decisions and alliance.

>becoming genius
she hasn't done anything genius yet

see Being a traitor is more than not just blindly following.

Ned would've most likely forced Aerys to abdicate in favor of Aegon. But he was too late and Jaime had already killed him by breaking his oaths. So yes Aerys' death was definitely an act of oathbreaking you retard.

Thanks to the seven gods, she died and her family died with her. Pity for Jorah, he could have been a good heir.
They can do that, obviously. And they will all be traitors. Nothing you shouldn't expect from the norf anyway. But their army was in KL in the preview, so i guess they didn't disobey him.

I'm starting to suspect she is. People can't even understand her simple decisions and dialogue. I'm not talking about the characters.

Exactly, he never was a king, sansa retained rightful leadership of the north. Jon gave it up by allying with a foreign invader after betraying the truth that his people had placed in him.
He also betrayed the night's watch in similar fashion. He's a turncoat.

He was killed because he killed some smelly lords without a trial. Sansa did the same with littlefinger if you recall.

jamie did nothing wrong. lannisters are the rightful rulers.

>that time Arya and Sansa murdered Littlefinger who was their guest with no trial
It's time to stop defend the Starks. They're huge hypocrites on the show.

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>People can't even understand her simple decisions and dialogue
Maybe those people are retards? You said yourself her decisions are simple

Sansa held a trial, she was the judge.
Sansa is the true ruler of westeros.

While being cooked alive?

youtube.com/watch?v=AslPV6SB6mY&t=1m25s

An average person in a land of retards it's a genius. That's what I meant.

This. I liked Ned but the mix with Tully female blood produces only traitors. At least the Tully men are based.

That only matters when the plot needs it to.

Sansa is useless.
Last we'll see of her is her corpse shitting out undead mountain jizz.

This video ignores the fact that Brynden was most likely in love with Hoster's wife why he didn't want to marry another. But it's more speculation than anything. Good narration otherwise.

I hate how contrived this whole plot line is.
The show and characters are telling us Dany is going mad, but there is nothing to actually show that.
The characters are telling us Cersei is a morally grey character because "she loves her kids" but she keeps doing unquestionably evil shit.
Then there is all the forced tension. Like "well we can't have the obvious solution of marrying Dany and Jon because Jon wouldn't approve" when he doesn't give a fuck.
Or like Jon feeling forced to reveal his secret because "they're my family".

Read the leaks. The whole show is shit. This entire season was extraordinarily poorly written. Episode 3 was objective proof of this. They had no idea what they were doing since the books ended.

I hate how hard they try to portray Cersei as "sympathetic bad guy". I guess they do that because it takes more performance out of Lena Headey which is nice for awards season. But it's a huge misunderstanding of what Cersei is - an irrational, paranoid schizophrenic bitch. If I hear Tyrion beg Cersei to change just one another time, I'm punching my monitor.

>forgets what dany did for the north
What did she do exactly?

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She could have taken KL and killed the army of the dead here and there.
Why save the north ? They would have jist migrated to the south like the widlings did and the few fools who stayed would have been dead.
As for men needing time to recuperate its fucking war. Do you think they had time with robb when they marched south ? War is a neverending campaign until one of them is dead.
Also cersei is slowly but surely preparing her deffenses. Waiting more time could be more harmful then helpful

Hey it's not Dany's fault she didn't read the script.

Saved Jon's ass. Saved Beric which will save Arya which will defeat NK. Saved them lots of casualties. Gave them dragonglass for better defence. Didn't burn them because they smell.

Sansa wasn't lady of the north, she was regent while jon was away, sansa is lady of winterfell.

>without a name and some flying big dick lizards you would have been raped and scrubbing floors
At least Arya was willing to make an effort to be something. Dany is the stereotypical instagram thot luckboxing through life and making people believe she isn't completely worthless.

CIA is evil and he owns it though.
Sansa act like she is more good/honorable than him but still scheme like a snake

>implying arya couldn't have just teleported to NK and save the day

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>raising an army and a fleet without allies is hard
color me surprised, arya used what she had and so did dany.

Most of her schemes are "hey could you kill that one for me?". No one followed her for her leadership, ever. Only for her name.

Dany has been batshit insane ever since she let Viserys get killed. They haven't suddenly changed her character, she's always had the philosophy of "burn everyone who opposes me".

>"I'm a Stark, I'll always be Stark"
>backstabs the Stark name

that's kaleesi's destiny

What's insane about that? It's the method that triggers you? They've been executing people left and right for that everywhere. Pod's former knight was hanged because he ate a ham while drunk.

She doesn't belong in Westeros, should have stayed home with her brown "children". Burn the coal pay the toll.

By the time the army of the dead arrived in KL they would've numbered in the millions you retard

He isn't a king anymore, but he is still lord paramount of the north, the equivalent of a vassal king under an empire

>rightful leadership of the north
Sansa was regent for jon, not holder of the title.

Unironically should have. Those people are loyal, differently from wh*teoids that only follow you as long as you give them enough leftovers for them to get fat.

Yeah, the walking dead, constantly accumulating more corpses would have just hung out in winterfell and stopped there.
The further south they went, the larger their armies. That's why Jon wanted to stop them, that's why there was a giant magic wall with men pledged to defend it to the death for a thousand years.
You're as deluded as the mad queen.
As for testing your men, it is essential especially for long marches. King Harald suffered that very fate in 1066.

>but he is still lord paramount of the north

Not if the North reject him, he won't.

QUEEN OF THE NORTH

This.
>I posted a new picture with a duckface, buy me a ferrari!

Sure, but then they would be in open revolt against jon and daenerys.

She didn't betray anyone, Jon was never a stark.
She is the queen of the north. Brann isn't brann, he said it himself.

Imagine being this wrung up in /pol/ rhetoric you apply it to a medieval fantasy series. Go out some more.

That's called betrayal, user. They all swore loyalty. The norf isn't (supposed to work like) a dothraki horde where the strong takes the leadership and when his subordinates think he got weaker a power struggle starts. For better or worse, you will follow your king.

If Sansa calls herself a queen, she's an enemy to the Iron Throne and also by extension to Daenerys. Do you realize this, you fucktard?

This.
Ruling over a bunch of desert monkeys suits her. They just see her as "da magic wo-man wid de dragun" and worship her.
That's what she deserves.
As soon as she came to westeros, people thought nothing of her.

She didn't betray starks, she betrayed the stark legacy and name by behaving dishonourably against people who helped her.

Correct but d&d are shitty writers and will kill off dany for being “mad”

Why do they keep repeating that john is rightful clay only because he is a man when he is son of heir to the throne while she is sister to heir. Obviously child was always next in succesion and never sister/brother

He was already a bastard, AND the night's watch, relinquishing all his titles and claims. He can't even have a woman.
Further to that, he isn't even a half stark.
She had no reason to do anything for him, her only duty was to behead him for breaking his watch oath, as ned did in the beginning.

>that user having a huge seizure over Dany simply because she was raised in Essos and has a foreign army
Imagine being this much of an incel you let /pol/ rot your brain so much you can't watch a TV show without sperging out

>haha let's just let dany have the iron throne because we want to be cucks
Sansa may be a retarded smart person but she isn't a retard. She's merely taking advantage of a good situation.

They didn't, Jon did. That's it, Jon gave away the North without consulting anyone. It's not betrayal if they decide to "divorce" later.
Also, Dany isn't a fucking Queen yet. She claims to be, but hasn't conquered KL. You fucking fags should calm down in your pathetic defense.

>playing a Machiavellian power game while calling yourself a Stark
Fuck this whore and what she's done to Ned's legacy

Jon can give away his title since he's their fucking king you retard. IT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY KILL YOURSELF

She's been against the lannister claimants for half the series you brain dead cunt.
She doesn't give a shit about any of their supposed authority.

Honour is the Tully and Arryn motto, not the Starks. It's Winter is Coming. Northmen are hard and wild people, Ned was the exception because he was raised in the South.

What you're saying isn't reflected in the series. Officially, Sansa does not oppose Daenerys as her queen. If she did, then Dany would've already fed her to the dragons. Keep up with the fucking story, cocksucker.

Ned's legacy was to be executed because he was a retard at politics. Honorable, sure. Did it cause the near destruction of his house? Yep.

>Honour is the Tully and Arryn motto
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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ned broke bonds by hiding a bastard targeryon and lying to his family and putting the whole of westeris at risk.
sansa is just clearing up after him

>He was already a bastard, AND the night's watch, relinquishing all his titles and claims. He can't even have a woman.
>She had no reason to do anything for him, her only duty was to behead him for breaking his watch oath, as ned did in the beginning.
Relieved of his oath by death.

>Further to that, he isn't even a half stark.
He is though? In the end isn't even a bastard.

No matter, the lords gave him the title, that's all when they rose in revolt against the iron throne again.

Ye because foreign armies were always accepted ss liberators. Idk what his post is but you are the one who is sperging out

Atleast he wasn't a backstabbing treacherous cunt. Ned played it fair, there's respect in that. His daughters have become his worst enemies.

Yes yes yes
Technically she was supposed to gradually become a mad queen but Dumber and dumber couldn’t let the retarded feminazi audience down so they kept portarying her as a slay queen flawless Mary Sue until lap episode and decided to have her become crazy all of a sudden because they have to wrap up the series following GRRM’s instructions

He's the king of norf, he can do as he pleases. That's what a king is. Yes it's betrayal. What the fuck is a "divorce later" lmao.

It's not a democracy but he was chosen you fucking idiot. And now he is nothing. All talks about Sansa "betraying", what of Jon betrayal of the North?

You do realize Aegon invaded with a foreign army right? How dumb are you?

imagine you were a discord tranny and the HRT and aids makes you blind to logic

Jon is their king. They chose him but that doesn't mean he isn't everything a king is. And that also includes giving away your title if you want to. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY

>saves your life
"Traitor!"

Learn to spell, third-worlder.

Yes and he was considered usurper. Are you literaly braindead?

What would Ned think if he ever heard his daughters are treacherous whores and also who have broken the holy guest right customs?

Family, Duty, Honor. In that order. And she did exactly that.

But thank you for proving you have no idea of what you are babbling about.

Cat did nothing but cause the destruction of house Stark. She was the greatest enemy of that house.

Regardless, what Daenerys is doing isn't out of the ordinary for a Targaryen. Their legacy is literally "invade with a foreign army and dragons and call it yours".

>get your family killed
>fail your duty
>abandon your honor
W O W

She sacrificed 1 of her dragons to save Jon and most of her forces to save the fucking world, mate. Cut her some slack.

he was elected King of the North but sansa is Lady of winterfell After bran refused

emilia clarke is one of the worst actresses I've ever seen

If you believed that you wouldn't be in this thread, you'd be at the aids clinic having your prescription topped up.
Sansa sees no legitimacy in the foreign cunt's unfulfilled claim whatsoever. Cersei is the current queen of westeros and the mono-dragoned petulant lunatic has done nothing to attempt to change that.

Seriously, who fucked your asshole this hard to be so butthurt over a fictional character?

Sure he did.

Jon betrayed the North. You can scream all you want, but that's it. They wanted to be independent and he gave it away. Worse, AFTER Daenerys pledge to fight.

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They took jon as their liege lord, once he swore allegiance to daenerys so did all of them, it doesn't matter if the lords didn't personally swear allegiance to daenerys because they swore it to jon.

>Also, Dany isn't a fucking Queen yet. She claims to be, but hasn't conquered KL.
Not how it works, having the capital just adds legitimacy, she is the queen of those who choose to support her claim already, the rest is just shutting every other claimant up.

he's not dead, he tried to jew his way out of it.

>everyone is traitah but Sansa
kys

King of norf > lady of Winterfell
Winterfell is simply a castle, which housed the family that was in charge of the norf but the castle itself has no extra value.

All her actions were to protect her family. You can say she failed and the consequences were grave, but not that her intentions weren't for their well being.

The cannot aim down with the ballistas
They can only get dragons in the air

Yes and she should also expect betrayal, and opposition. Only because mongols invaded europe once doesnt mean people were more accepting when it happened again. Idk what your point is. Its natural that people oppose foreigners, like europeans opposed to german invasions. Has nothing to do with pol or nazis you sperg

Viserys sold her to sand nigger savages to get raped. Killing him is perfectly justified.

You can literally say the same about Cersei too retard.

Good intentions =/= Good actions

Shitposting aside, both she and her family were all retards. There was nothing that could save them from themselves.

She was born in Westeros though.

everything is spelled perfectly, do you have textual dysmorphia too. poor thing.

Learn to spell, third-worlder.

You don't even know what you are arguing.

>Cersei
>good intentions

Sure, he betrayed the expectations of the lords, and is completely withing his powers as king, that doesn't invalidate the their lawful bond as vassals and liege lord.

Also something that happens historically when puppets happen to not turn out as puppets.

I'm arguing that Cat is a dumb cunt that got her entire family killed for it.

>"Mom why am I named after a mad tyrant from a TV show who burnt people alive?"

You Danny fags are the worst. I can't wait for Jon to gut her.

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she didn't sacrifice anything.
she was stupid and never learned anything, and just thinks she deserves everything on a plate. that's why she never improves and kills anyone that disagrees with her.
look at her response to Varys.

Take a break, third-worlder.

>says the kaleesi worshipper with 30 posts in this thread

By the law and custom, the rightful heir of Winterfell is Bran. Then Sansa, then Arya. There is, as far, no law again female inheritance, but children of the last ruler have a very clear precedence over children of that ruler's sisters and prothers. In fact if Jon had better claim than Deny even on Targ's throne, which according to the show he does, his claim to Winterfell is nonexistent as long as Bran lives.

Then if we consider will of the people, instead of law - and make no mistake, will of the people is more important in a monarchy than in most democracies, because the basic requirement for having a chance to express your will is being armed and backed by more armed men - then they are clearly on the side of Jon. Bran, despite being the lawful heir, is seen as unfit to rule.

So however you define the right to rule the North, Deny lacks it. The only backing she has, as always, is naked might of her magical cheats.

>she didn't sacrifice anything.

Except 1 dragon and most of her army, you fucking retard.

And I'm saying she acted for her family. Her being dumb, a cunt, and that the result were the contrary to what she wanted to achieve doesn't contradict what I wrote.

he gave up that title by surrrendering to the "queen" you dolt. that was the whole point.
at that moment he became nothing, and warranted no bannermen.

That was her being retarded.

What would be the profile of real life people that are supporters of the ingratitude of the norf for Dany?
Would be like some migrant that gets saved from drowning in the sea by a seaman that loses half his men in the process then tells you to fuck off because he's old enough to decide for himself what to do.
But i'm fearing there are no drowning migrants here, mostly wh*teoids. Describe your socioeconomical status and westeros political affiliation please.

he was the rightful king, follow your own logic emcel.

>his claim to Winterfell is nonexistent as long as Bran lives.

He claims would be after all surviving Starks, including his female cousins. It's why many Stark uncles married their niece, to acquire their claim.
So it's Bran, that can't have children. Then Sansa and Arya. On the books, Rickon before the girls.

aids medications cause short term memory loss, interesting

/thread

sacrifice implies intention
she was just fucking stupid

Based northerners desu

>when you fail at logic and have nothing to say, just repeat yourself
Are you vibrating with impotent rage or just crying with the stress of it.
Poor thing. It will all be over soon.

Eastern European autist

This.

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Lord Paramount of the North/King of the North =/= Lord of Winterfell
Very different level of titles.

The title Jon gave away was King of the Kingdom of the North, becoming Daenerys's vassal and Lord Paramount of the North.

That is her right to rule the North, the lords are free to rebel against them if they want independence.

Like the writing or not, it's a fact that they need to do this to ensure his house's legacy, lest they get erased from history by dragon fire.

>the tranny reveals himself one by one

What do you think bending the knee means? He doesn't "lose" the title, he loses his independence, thus he became her vassal and Lord Paramount of the North, he is still a king, just a vassal king.

>push Ned to go south to become Hand, thus abandoning family
>randomly kidnap Tyrion instead of preparing the north for war as Ned instructed, thus abandoning duty
>become a vengeful zombie, killing people without any regard for justice, thus abandoning honor
Cat is the worst.

Their house is already erased. The only male Stark alive is an autist obsessed with stalking and rape.

He never had claim in the first place, that was Sansa. Jon gave away his titles for the night's watch, and again when he surrendered to a foreign invader.
As was said by the real northmen, what is he now, nothing.

At least she killed Brienne, saving us the pain of her shitty lovestory with Jaime.

>trick some white SJW thot into killing off thousands of niggers
>somehow a bad thing

all houses in the North have plenged fealty to house stark. what powerbase does the King in the North has without backing of house stark?
only that of the Iron Throne and the North did split from the realm Two times already

King of the north meant an independent state having a ruler, as chosen by the people of the north. He obliterated that by agreeing that the north didn't exist as a kingdom, removing his title completely.
He can serve his foreign whore, but he has no claim to the land now. That falls on Sansa, and she is busy clearing up his mess.
Death to the slave queen.

Edward I, pls go.

>The title Jon gave away was King of the Kingdom of the North, becoming Daenerys's vassal and Lord Paramount of the North.

That title was not his to give, as he was crowned King of the North, in spite of all laws, for the purpose of securing Northern independence. With betraying will of the people which is the only thing that makes him King ahead of Bran, whatever rights he may have to give away are null and void.

it was beautiful

>>push Ned to go south to become Hand, thus abandoning family

She was right that Robert would not take kindly to Ned rejecting him.

>>randomly kidnap Tyrion instead of...

Acted for her family, she believed he tried to kill her son.

>become a vengeful zombie

Seriously? Do better.

He isn't a king, he is nothing now but the Warden of the North title that Dany gave him.

All houses in the norf swore loyalty to Jon Snow tho, not to house Stark. He is the lord of Winterfell and Sansa only keeps it while he's not there because of half blood link.

Nope, as jon is their liege lord, him pledging his alliance to her, means the entire north does it too, it still exists, but is now a vassal state.

It was the best thing. Every last filthy dothraki dead. That a few eunuchs survived doesn't matter as they can't contaminate the society, if they even live through the next idiotic move of their whore queen.

Half of every faction survived, dothrakis included. Pay attention when you watch the show.

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Of course it is his to give, the lords swear allegiance to him, regardless of what he decides, they can just hope he doesn't turn on them or that they have enough power to stop that.
Though saying he gave the title away might not be correct, it's better said that he gave their independence away, not the title itself.

how in the fuck do you come to that conclusion

>for the purpose of securing Northern independence
He never cared. He wanted to unify it against the undeads.

>>dany is insane
Of course she is. That's D&D's style. She hasn't done or said anything insane. They just state she's insane, and that's it.

Same with Salsa. She a dumb piece of meat that's been passed around by nobles for years. She's never said or done anything smart. But then D&D state she's the smartest person in Westeros, and that's it.

It's the same with pretty much every character since season 5-6.

By skipping most of schooldays and basing your knowledge on memes.

>I've no arguments, so I must autism

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Wrong. All he did was sign away his own powers and delegitamatised himself beyond the double bastard impostor post-abandoning oath-breaker he already was.

Yet you'll avoid it in future now you've been called out. Like a puppet.

Not a birthright claim, but the one the lords gave him when they swore allegiance to him in their rebellion against the crown.

>Jon gave away his titles for the night's watch
Irrelevant

>and again when he surrendered to a foreign invader
Not how it works, see any vassal kingdom ever

he elected King of the North Not to be Head of house stark.
all those houses are still Bannerman of house stark.
but ofcourse this is dejure. if sansa rebels they will all have to choose.

you mean the last minute 'clever' writing that negated the previous episode.
They all died, every last little flaming sword blinked out.

No, I'll use it when I think it's necessary just have been doing all these years here, kid.

He didn't sign away his powers, he signed away the independence of his kingdom by swearing allegiance to the crown.

Thinking those were all the dothrakis was biased to begin with. But i won't waste more words on someone in denial.

she's always been a sick rape-loving nutjob.
killed her own brother after he raised her from birth.

Which begs the question: why play by the rules when otherwise you're doomed? Ned dying was a metaphor of how the "game" needs to be played. Want to die on the hill of honor? Good for you. You just crippled your house and the north in it's entirely.

haha, the "kid" thing too. what a faggot puppet.

the others were hiding in the crypt, right? with their horses.

He was an elected representative of an entity, who lost his claim to it the moment he surrendered.
sansa and the banner lords called him out on it. follow the program.

But house Stark is doomed, no matter how well they play, it's unavoidable. The north will keep living obviously, but under another ruler.
They are the protectors of the norf, should have never moved to KL to begin with. Going on with the games will only lead to further tragedies. Also Sansa is playing by the rules, just KL rules taught to her by Cersei and littlefinger over the years. She's much more a Lannister than a Stark now.

>the crypt
>skeletons who have been rotting for centuries punch out stone coffins
>earlier an enraged zombie is kept in a wooden box for weeks where nothing happens
D&D: Nailed it.

>push Ned to go south to become Hand, thus abandoning family
show fanfiction, she is completely against it in the books.

Imagine being this stupid. Sansa is assuring Dany won't be a problem, will get the North to survive all of this and continue the Stark bloodline since Bran is a cripple, Arya doesn't want it and Jon is a self sacrificing fool. She'll taught them how to survive the game while preparing for winter.

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Isn't she against it in the show too? Don't remember well, but she makes all the whining about how the last time he went away he came back with a bastard etc.

They called him out on betraying their expectations and it's their own fault for not knowing how swearing allegiance works, the same way they have no idea who the lord of Storm's End is even though it's one of the most important regions and traditionally the home of the Lord Paramount of the Stormlands.

Once they swear allegiance to him, the deed is done. It doesn't matter if he has a birthright claim or not, after that he is their King.

No she isn't you retard. She's the one that pushes him for it. He was going to decline the offer.

She didn't want him to, but it'd be an insult to Robert.

Yeah so she pushed him into saying yes. Also her fear was irrational

>a-accept or Robert will behead us
Sounds like a bullshit justification so she can brag about her husband being Hand. Robert was never going to touch Ned for refusing his offer.

What do they really do though, the writer I saw was an English woman who was about 60.

I fucking hope Jon will kill this low ass manlet fat bitch and fuck Sansa ass to mouth then creampie her pussy and make dozenz of cute Stark babies

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Red wedding was an example of how the north deals with stark treachery.

He swore allegiance to her, hence so does his kingdom. That automatically makes him Lord Paramount as that is the title for the vassal king.

Additionally she names him Warden of the North which is traditionally held together with the title of Lord Paramount.

The exception is, of course, if he abdicates those titles, but that is a separate action from bending the knee/swearing allegiance.

repeating your shitpost doesn't make it any more true.

Sure. If they feel like it's what he deserves, my arguments are purely on the legal matter.

Dany's been the Mad Queen since Season 1.

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>"I will refuse him," Ned said as he turned back to her. His eyes were haunted, his voice thick with doubt.

Ned knew as well. Robert wouldn't kill them, but we just don't know how he'd punish them.

In no ways. It's granted. But if he had problems after that, he would have been alone.

GAME OF THRONES CAST HATES SEASON 8

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legal matter is that the north does not exist and that cersei is the queen

Robert had been banging ned's wife for years after blackmailing her with her affair with little finger.
Ned was dead either way.

He was going to refuse Robert but Cat pushed him towards accepting it. And remember everything in Cat's chapter is through Cat's impression. He was probably just tired of having to argue his shit with a retard T*lly fishnigger.

>"Bending the knee" is a formal act of submission to a king, queen or lord, a recognition of authority and a demonstration of fealty.
Nothing to do with abdication, it's a swearing of allegiance/oath of fealty.

Now either jon keeps his lands as a vassal or the lands revert back to dany as his liege lord to do as she fits depending, it still would be implied to be him as he is named warden of the north and I'm not sure the showrunners know the difference.
But normally you'd expect him to keep the lands.

he never had any claim over the lands, they've always been property of cersei.

>just tired of having to argue his shit with a retard T*lly fishnigger
Seven Gods, imagine this torture. He probably accepted to be freed from her costant rambling.

>kingdom of the north declares independence against the crown
>then swears allegiance... to the other crown
It's not a difficult road to follow user

Why do you think the claimants called themselves kings/queens and were passing judgements as so? Because they are for those that swore allegiance to them.

They declared indipendece after killing the vassal of the Queen, the Boltons.

We all know this will end in another unhappy political marriage. The question is: Who will marry who?

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By simply looking at it

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So, how does Dany finance her army again? Someone has to buy stuff and food. Unless, she's willing to let his horde to rape and pillage the countryside, that's it.

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I'm pretty sure they just forage for food, that is the standard for armies on the march. Besides that she should have some supplies she brought from meereen with that sweet tax money.

Jon and Sansa or her and her other cousin, a boy that is probably LF's bastard so he wins, kinda.

She had everything when came to Westeros. In the long run this will be a concern, but for now she can keep going on what she took with her. Also a lot of soldiers died, this will make all the provisions last longer.

in the distance, bells.

What about the dragons? Does she starve poor peasants to death by letting her dragons eat all cattle?

You should stop eating so much you fat fuck.

I guess the peasants are going to have to eat vegetables heh

I doubt dragons are as much a problem to feed as 100 thousand men and their horses.

You're literally a bender lmao

You can't possibly say that with a straight face. Loyal? The priestess she saved, killed his son and husband. The khalasar left her after Drogo died, and that's fair. But after, when she freed the slaves, half left. Loyal? Ha.

You are actually retarded. Holy shit.

You say that as if not helping them would have served her better later when they wights were stronger.

I didn’t see any ladder for the operator to be able to lift the back of that thing. Did you?

>RHAEGAL ROAST THEM
>Gunned down by gatling gun ballistas
Smart move

If they could gun him down where it was, the would have
Anyway, the point is that she did do the smart move of not trying to do something. She had just done something reckless flying directly into Euron, and I think they were hoping that she did the same this time

so if drogon dies its ogre right

basically over for her if that happens

Thats not even the same ballista that was on the walls

Yet.
ding ding ding

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>If they could gun him down where it was, the would have
Not with Dumb and Dumber writing this shit

Would a room full of Lords really be ok with the summary execution that they gave littlefinger? I imagine everyone there didn't like the upstart, but I find it hard to believe no lord would find it beyond fucked up to just straight up kill someone who isn't even a direct subject of the starks when he denies his guilt.

Especially when many times in the books and even show it's shown that outside of a battlefield it's really fucking hard to kill another noble without going through an arduous process of at least getting proof/framing them

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You sound bitter

Is winter still coming or?

Lol they were no longer slaves. The point of not being a slave is that you get to make your own decisions.

It if doesn't start snowing in King's Landing mid battle I'm gonna be pissed

>"The Wall’s kept these things out for 8000 years. There’s no real reason that it can’t keep doing that unless something puts a hole in the Wall,” explained showrunner D.B. Weiss in HBO’s post-episode rundown. “There’s one thing on the board from the beginning that is now big enough to do that, and that’s a dragon…Winter is here and it’s all hitting the fan from all directions.”

The North owns her nothing.