...was it really event worthy making a movie about?

...was it really event worthy making a movie about?

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It is somewhat significant, but its mostly comical the way so many are now backpedalling because they fear getting fucked in the future without the help of the much reviled EU.
So not yet, but you have to follow the trends of time.

no, especially since the EU won't last another decade

>UK has existed 300 years before the EU
>UK is now terrified to leave EU
>EU is only 26 years old.

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the war is still being waged
this isn't historical, it's propoganda

Yeah this.

You got half the EU throwing shifty looks at the exit door and the other half doubling down on the politics that created that situation in the first place.

you know there may actually be some benefit to leaving the EU but Britain seems intent on living forever in this purgatory where the whole world has to treat them like they've left the EU but the UK still has to act like a good EU member of behalf of the other member states. to the best of reasoning, the rationale for this is simply that British people are satisfied with this because at least in name they are in the EU even though at this point they receive almost none of the benefits anymore.

it is certainly the most pathetic political event of my life. three years on and they are still too scared to venture even slightly into the unknown. Germany and France have to be elated that the UK is just keeping itself in bondage on their behalf for reasons that now can only be described as cosmetic.

It's literally propaganda.

>acting like the vote wasn't fair
>even when almost all the media coverage of the vote was to remain
>act like following through on a democratic vote by the people isn't fair

What's up with bongs?

>fight war to free yourself of possible germany control
>win the war thanks to the based americans doing all the heavy work
>ended up being germany bitch anyways and begging them to let them stay in the eu

wtf happen to the brits? went from world conquer to bitch made.

The European Union is the new Soviet Union. The USSR failed in Russia, so the commies decided to try again in Europe. The EUSSR predictably is failing but much faster this time.
In 100 years, the next time they try for a Soviet Socialist Republic it will last about 60 days.

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>americans doing all the heavy work
im anything but a slavaboo but this is kinda silly to say

i doubt it will even hold a candle to brexit the movie

Fun Fact: Junker himself compared the EU to the USSR .

Rightism thinly veiled as political indifference

>demecracy is bad if people choose what we believe is wrong

Ironically, the reason why the USSR lasted so long was the sheer aggressiveness they had to remain dominant. The EU on the other hand has all the oligarchic power dynamics the USSR had, but none of the overwhelming strength needed to maintain it.

>mfw Britbongistani
>mfw utterly fucking sick of Brexit dominating the social agenda for 3. FUCKING. YEARS.
In or Out I don't give a fucking just GET ON WITH IT

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Considering the entire country was lied to by a hidden group of fascists...yes...yes I do think it's worth making a movie about...

Yes?

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ANYONE AGAINST BREXIT IS A TRAITOR TO THE GREAT BRITISH EMPIRE AND DESERVES TO HANG!!

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>What's up with bongs?
The almost unavoidable state sponsored propaganda.

>Considering the entire country was lied to by a hidden group of fascists
The BBC?

>comes from a family of slavers
>family gets compensated by the state when slavery is abolished
>they start diplomat carreers over generations, again paid by taxpayers
>last of the line is an actor who wants open borders
>the common citizens must live alongside migrants and the shit they do because of Britain's evil history
>Cucumber can still live in a 99% white neighbourhood thanks thanks to his ancestors who commited the said evil deeds

first world countries are much more co-dependent than ever before.

also remember that the UK imports most of its food and being in the EU makes trade easier

Oh right.... FOOD, thats gotta be a deciding factor

GIVE ME BREXIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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The problem is that their government didn't actually want to leave at all. They thought there would be a big vote, Leave would lose terribly, and they could put the whole thing behind them. Instead, Leave won, and government immediately shat itself in terror. Then, they fucked things up even harder by playing soft-ball with the EU, who can't afford to make the process easy for fear of other nations leaving in the next decade. At this point, they can either take no deal (which they haven't prepared for at all), or take a hilariously shitty deal that removes all of their powers as a founding member of the EU but leaves them almost entirely beholden to EU mandates anyways.

Nah, EU is literally 4th reich, and Russia was always a british puppet. They are very different.

>as a founding member of the EU

UK isn't founding member of EU, France even blocked their entry for a while.

>we would be nothing if we don't bow down to Brussels!
>Big scary USA, China and Russia would eat us alive without the EU!
A lot of people actually believe this stuff, ignoring the fact that there are plenty of non EU countries that are doing just fine

The whole debacle makes me angry, honestly.

As I understand it, the majority of thing Brexiteers having been Brexiteering for are things for which Brexit wasn't actually necessary, they're things that are still under the power of our government to control, even with the EU breathing down our neck.

So in that sense, there was no need for the Brexit vote... but then just look at how crazy authoritarian the EU is seemingly desperate to become, it's like they're self sabotaging, so there's absolutely no reason not to jump off that sinking ship. But instead May is having us tie ourselves to the mast. It's just fucking bewildering.

>the way so many are now backpedalling
Imagine actually believing this MSM narrative.

>i-it's about to collapse g-guys!

Everytime I open my tv I still see someone making a big deal about it, so i guess.

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Didn't the EU make the process fairly good anyway? They weren't the huge cunt that everyone said they were going to be.

UK politicians were/are being unreasonable by looking at every single relationship between the EU and a non-EU state, finding the best one, and expecting to have a duplicate copy.

except part of the UK's vitality as a country came from its network, and the countries you're referring to are generally small and irrelevant

>but then just look at how crazy authoritarian the EU is seemingly desperate to become
This is fine for mainland Europe though. I don't think most of us value freedom over here

Who cares about how brexit ends the UK will be a full police state before anything resolves

Like what countries for example?

cringe

Brexit is a bad idea and everything people don’t like about the state of Britain is the fault of Westminster. If you believe otherwise, you’re literally retarded and probably get your facts from the Murdoch press.

Is this kino? youtube.com/watch?v=PtjfoEvsR9w

>just look at how crazy authoritarian the EU is seemingly desperate to become
Like what, having an EU military?

I don't think it's a sinking ship at all. You have all these strong European powers, but due to geography and population, they can't compete with the US and China at their maximum potential. By joining together and having a more unified Europe, you could literally usher in a new age of European domination on the planet, as the combined EU economy BTFOs even the United States'. It's the only possible way for these countries, which are extremely innovative and important in their own right, to stay relevant in a radically changing world. It could actually be glorious if given a chance and it would be a global power that genuinely works toward the individual's quality of life as well.

What the fuck is wrong with his hairline?

He’ll probably say Norway or Switzerland, despite both countries having a fraction of the UK’s population and both being incredibly expensive to live in. Brexiteers have literally gone from ‘£350m for the NHS’ to ‘we survived WW2, we can survive this!’ in less than two and a half years. They’re actually sub-80 IQ mongs.

>so many are now backpedalling
literally who

And being both satellite states of the EU anyway

>Like what
Like forcing member states to take in refugee quotas on pain of penalty sums.

No, especially since it hasn't really fucking happened
Did they shoehorn "Russian interference" in?

And that, too.

Serious question: why the fuck did Americans shill for brexit so hard?

>Did they shoehorn "Russian interference" in?
Oh god.

>I don't think it's a sinking ship at all.
lmao

The UK was never included in the quote system though, we’ve taken a fraction of the no. of refugees that Italy, Spain and other nations have taken, so it’s not a viable argument for Brexit.

>the countries you're referring to are generally small and irrelevant
yes, and the people living in those countries have fine lives and high living standards. My country is also small and irrelevant and i like my comfy life here.
You want to be part of a big strong nation? move to China or the USA

theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks

They did?

EU originated the European Coal and Steel Commission which was formed in 1950's shortly after WW2. What's funny is that France under De Gaulle for years vetoed Britain's entry into the European Community, despite Britain begging to join. After Britain finally joined, a Brit with French ancestry (Farage) shilled hard for them to leave.

The frogs got what they wanted in the end, they convinced brits to do it for them and leave voluntarily like cucks lol

>not addressing the reasons why

lmao britain is a rotting shithole and is dying if not dead. "british empire" exists only in history books.

>literally the highest level of appreciation of the EU since its foundation in all polls
Really makes you think

It was an example of the EU's rampant authoritarianism, you tard.

>Like what, having an EU military?
Unrealistic demands for control and accountability on the internet
Even more demand for acceptance of the Euro (see how well that turned out for Greece)
Fucking biometric databases for every EU citizen
Punitive measures against EU states that choose not to conform, particularly when it comes to immigrant intake (though this is soon to become a UN thing)
And yes, the EU military

‘Americans’, more like Russian troll farms. The real answer though is that Americans don’t understand European politics and think everything has to be about ‘winning’ instead of about cooperation. They think that a country being part of a Union is immediately oppressed a lá the USSR.

americans online and on social media are always massively pro-brexit for some reason, as if they had skin in the game

It is one of the biggest political messes of recent decades, so I guess it is.

New zealand, iceland, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Canada, Norway, Zwitserland, Israel, Singapore

The quota system itself was voluntary though, so not really authoritarian, you tard. You shouldn’t run your mouth about things you think you understand, when they are really far more complex than you can comprehend.

Cool anecdotal evidence.

>as if they had skin in the game
Yeah, not like they could see for themselves what a shitfest the EU has become.

>The quota system itself was voluntary
>"take this many refugees or you have to pay a fine!"

Pick one.

>(see how well that turned out for Greece)
Lmao Greece lied about the state of its finance and used the solidity of the Euro to dump its risky debt on other European countries. Not really the best example against a common currency

a bus was plastered with a political slogan user.. A BUS!

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>UK
>small

not relative to the countries you're talking about

>The quota system itself was voluntary though
So was being a member of the EU, look how well that's going when we try to unvolunteer ourselves from it

Every country has old fucks in parliament trying to push through draconian censorship laws.
The Euro, given, is not a viable currency - no single currency will ever be because of inability to escape debt through devaluation of currency.
Not happened, only proposed.
Not happened, only proposed.
Not happened, only proposed.

Nah, despite what millennials might say, the past 10 years of politics have been boring as fuck nothingness.
They just blow everything out of proportion because they want to feel like they are in a movie so they can pretend to be heroes.

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The EU is a good thing. It increases cooperation between European countries and provides a common market for free trade.

If you want to be a small country with lots of tarrifs selling overpriced goods with no market, you'll end up like Argentina in 50 years.

That didn’t happen.
Why should they give us the benefits of being in ‘the club’, but with none of the sacrifices? If we want to leave without a deal, we’re all too free to.

>Unrealistic demands for control and accountability on the internet
This is a trend with lots of western places. The UK is doing their porn block shiw now. Australia demanded ISPs record impossible amounts of user data. The US had their net neutrality thing, which is a bit different, but still an unreasonable level of internet control.

What will happen if I'm a British citizen and have large amounts of foreign currency held in accounts in another country? If the pound crashes will my foreign currency suddenly make me much more financially well off in the UK, and be able to buy a house for example? Can any economists help me out? Or is my thinking too Jewish (I'm not a Jew).

>That didn’t happen.
Are you having a psychotic episode?
euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/eu-opens-sanctions-procedure-against-hungary-poland-and-czech-republic-over-refugees/

>vice logo
hmm?

A lie, user.

Baffling

EU military is a good thing. Drumpf always bitches about "muh nato protecting you" so when germany offers to protect Europe itself, America shits the bed.

What america really wants is not for Europe to manage it's own defence, but rather for Americans to keep stationing troops there AND for europeans to pay for it.

>new zealand
Puppet of China, just like Australia
>Iceland
Extremely small country with 50% of its economy coming from fish
>Japan
Just entered a FTA with the EU and one of the main global economies
>South Korea, Israel
Literally puppets of the US
>Canada
Small population, high amount of natural resources
>Norway
Same as Canada, but also a satellite state of the EU
>Switzerland
Small population, banking, satellite state of the EU like Norway
>Singapore
Small country focused on services

None of those are similar to the UK

>And yes, the EU military
What's so bad about this anyway? Why shouldn't there be a European army to defend European interests?

You can't use countries of that scale, along with their economic histories, as a comparison to the UK. Most of those countries' economic states are completely unobtainable due to difference in scale, demographics, how they're run, and how those countries became wealthy to begin with. You also basically listed two "democratic" tyrannies.

>The EU is a good thing. It increases cooperation between European countries and provides a common market for free trade.
Oh sure, if it does that.

But it has since become an authoritarian nightmare engaging in outright dystopian shit like population engineering.

Yes, theoretically. But it depends on what happens in the UK

its directionally accurate.

Not him, but you're a retard.

Yeah, and the legal action has gone nowhere lol. The EU and it’s policy is and always has been shaped by struggle between Brussels and member-states. Brussel is only enforcing plans proposed in the EU parliament (by elected representatives), and fightback against that helps to shape the future of the Union. There’s no authoritianism there.

Nice argument

>Yeah, and the legal action has gone nowhere lol.
Doesn't change a thing.

have sex

>But it has since become an authoritarian nightmare engaging in outright dystopian shit like population engineering.

What a retarded conspiracy theory.

Wish I could say the same for your shitpost here:

>Puppet of China, just like Australia
China exerts almost no political pressure here at all, we just have a large Chinese diaspora.

If the US and China disagree over some issue, we will always take the American side despite China being our biggest trade partner, as we did in the South China Sea dispute. Our news organizations also shit on China constantly over nothing.

Why ARE they so hellbent on taking in so many refugees user

Do you think Norway and the UK are comparable? The entire Norway has barely the population of London

Yeah haha, "theory".

Yes it does. This is how the EU has always operated. The direction of the Union is formed in fights like these, which are entirely natural and healthy to keep a political union functioning. And besides, there’s nothing inherently wrong with taking in refugees - it’s the moral responsibility of every country to offer help where they can. Finding the balance is what these struggles achieve.

are you pretending the EU threats to European country that refused to take in refugees like Hungary didn't happen

Maybe there wouldn't be a refugee crises if Anglos and Americans weren't constantly fucking around in the middle east and bombing and invading everywhere?

No country is ever "comparable" to any other country if you look where you want to look.

>China exerts almost no political pressure here at all
>two of your last 3 PMs were basically appointed by China

what did he mean by this

>people thinking the EU had a responsibility on its external borders during the refugee crisis

nice way of evading the question

It's not every day that a country shoots themselves in the head

Thanks for showing your complete lack of world knowledge. Also, nice goal post shifting

>Yes it does.
No, it doesn't.
The mere fact that the EU even considered imposing penalties AT ALL for failing to take in migrant quotas is absolutely horrifying.

Based and redpilled

The West have to realise that nationalism and imperialism are mutually exclusive

Not really. Most are very much comparable, like Luxembourg and Monaco or Germany and Japan

also as if france doesn't meddle in the internal affairs of its colonies all the time, as if france wasn't obsessed with bombing libya lmao

>hasn't read the Official UN report for replacement populations
>doesn't know about the 250 million they want to ship in
Yeah it's just fantasy! How ridiculous.

>if Anglos and Americans weren't constantly fucking around in the middle east and bombing and invading everywhere
You mean in places like Iraq and Libya (and almost Syria), where local populations and the international communities were crying out for international intervention against their evil dictators?

Nice argument

Yes, because that’s how political change is forced, through exertion of power on each side. Brussels have recognised their errors and the legal action has gone nowhere - the migrant quotas are no longer of relevance. In the future, this won’t be repeated. Politics isn’t some big conspiracy to ruin the world, it’s just people - and some people got something wrong and know better now.

Are they?
Everyone keeps acting like they're rubbing their hands, desperate for more migrants. Yet I only ever see articles about Merkel and other members expressing regret for how it was handled. They seem to understand that they fucked up and there are now large scale deportations of refugees across the continent, even coming from left wing parties.

Lol, when has it ever been the local populace calling for help, and not just the CIA, arms manufacturers and oil companies speaking through their mouth?

Why has the amount of refugee coming to Europe collapse in the last few years then? You know riht we're down 90% since 2015

Imperialism is absolutely fine as long as you wipe out the indigenous populations completely.
That was their only mistake. Imagine if africa had no africans, it could be a utopic holiday destination with safari game enough for everyone. No need for bodyguards or mercenaries when harvesting natural resources, the whole civilised world would benefit.

>eastern euro shitholes receive countless gibs from EU on an unprecedented scale to help them transition from communist countries to modern countries
>"we have this massive refugee crisis, we need you to hold your fare share of the economic and refugee burden"
>REEEEEEE GERMAN NAZI KRAUTS ARE OPPRESSING US AGAIN

If you wanna know why Britain voted to leave the EU, it wasn't just because of refugees, it was because eastern european countries like poland, romania and hungary were unfairly gaming the system and taking advantage of richer countries only taking taking taking, sending their workers there to work jobs and send money back to eastern europe whilst increasing crime rate, and not accepting to share any burden or responsibility.

Well if they don't then why do we have such a surprising amount of then

>Luxembourg and Monaco
The former is a landlocked country that has 15x the population and over 1000x the surface area of the latter.

>Germany and Japan
The latter has 50% more population, and is an island state in far East Asia while the former is at the heart of Europe.

Not comparable at all (!!!)

>this is your brain on american
All third worlders need exterminating from our lands, but don't parrot the media-line when it is utterly false.

You mean the dictators you appointed?

Nice american propaganda. Americans just want an excuse to bomb and invade everywhere and then bitch when a refugee crisis is caused by their actions.

That’s a bit morally wrong user, why not just holiday in your own country and not kill innocent people who are vastly technologically outmatched?

Oh, I know, the UK is just as bad with this shit. It's hilarious how we're going full 1984. Recently, I literally walked into a test of the Met's live facial recognition system, I was completely oblivious to what was actually going on. There were an insane number of police around, but also plenty of people going about their day, so I just assumed there had been a crime.

This is why I think the Brexit vote really happened. It was less a rejection of the EU than a protest vote against our own government who are just as bad.

Personally, despite ragging on the EU, I do think their privacy concerns about the internet, with the GDPR and the "right to be forgotten" are pretty good things. You know, until they went full retard.

>that’s how political change is forced
Exactly.
Thanks for agreeing with my point that the EU is a draconian authoritarian nightmare.

>imperialism and genocide is fine when its done by me against them but not when it's done by them against me

You're a massive hypocrite. the sad thing is your thinking represents the majority of american and european right-wingers which is why I have no sympathy for their arguments.

ah yes, just like you faggots said 10 years before.

>eurofags: LET'S BOMB LIBYA TO SMITHEREENS AND KILL GADDAFI AND OPEN THE PATHWAY UP TO PRECIOUS BEAUTIFUL SUNKISSED MELANINATED AFRICA WITH ALL THE BUCKS YOU CAN IMAGINE
>eurofags: REEE FUCKING IMPERIALIST ANGLOS MEDDLING IN WORLD AFFAIRS!!!

It was about ''countries that are doing fine without being in the EU''. All the countries listed are doing fine and all of them are not in the EU.

>The former is a landlocked country that has 15x the population and over 1000x the surface area of the latter.
Yes, but they're both countries with a focus on finance and a relatively small population. Also being landlocked is not really a point unless you have huge ports, we aren't talking about geographic features
>The latter has 50% more population, and is an island state in far East Asia while the former is at the heart of Europe.
Both are countries with a focus on trade, services and highly advanced industries with a relatively high population. Again, we are talking economics

This thread made me realize that none of you have any idea or knowledge of history or politics.
american education is below ukraine.

>when has it ever been the local populace calling for help
In the cases of Libya, Iraq, and Syria for instance.

You know, when they keep plastering images of crying children in camps for refugees displaced by the evil deeds of Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad all over the news.

Most of them don't even know the French role in Lybia debacle

>We want to bring in all these piss-poor niggers with no skills, it'll be great
>No don't do that, I promise you this is a shitty terrible idea me
>Nah it'll be great, trust me
Since time later
>Oh wow this has turned out to be really bad and not in any way good at all, you have to help us solve the problems, it's only fair

What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Our PM before this one caused multiple controversies by shitting on China and mouthing off about them. He even learned Chinese phrases for the express purpose of shitting on them in their own language.

All our political decisions align with the United States'. We always enter into American wars. We also support the US in fucking everything. We even have a similarly retarded energy policy. Our politicians always talk about making our cities like New York or LA. The only possible thing you could be talking about are the small donations from businessmen with ties to the CCP that caused a huge debate

But you’re agreeing with me. The EU has stopped pressuring Eastern Euro countries to take more refugees (partially, granted, because the number of refugees has decreased, but still) - change has been for the better.

Americans are literally the most retarded "people" on the planet.

That's like saying you should leave your job because there are people living making youtube videos

They aren't people, they never were.They are a stagnated hominid that only survived by being separated by vast deserts while the rest of humanity evolved to some extent. Same thing with the aborigine. Keeping a few of them as stuffed exhibits in natural history museums as evidence of prehistoric bipeds is more useful than having any around.

So how are those negotiates going?

why are bongs so disgustingly ugly?

>Oh wow this has turned out to be really bad and not in any way good at all, you have to help us solve the problems, it's only fair

Yes, that's how cooperation works. You can't just take take take and never give.

The mistake was accepting Eastern European countries into the EU. France and Germany made the assumption they would be grateful and willing partners that will contribute and co-operate, not just leech of tax money from wealthy western citizens. They were wrong.

People were protesting in the streets of Europe calling for action against the evil tyrants of Libya, Iraq, Syria, ...
"Why does the international community not intervene rrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!"

user, you don’t really believe that it’s the Syrians and Libyans asking for help, do you? It’s the neo-libs in our governments, the Clintons and the Obamas, the Blairs and the Bushes and they’re kabal of NYT and WaPo journalists which push for intervention.

Because it took them a while to realize they fucked up
Now that they have, and anti-refugee sentiment is actually politically advantageous, they're being far harsher to future refugees and are more skeptical of current ones.

Thanks for proving my point that you can accept and dismiss comparisons between countries for X amount of reasons.

>done to me
Interesting that your emotionally based animal brain sees it as the same thing.
Do you root for the beautiful and diverse orcs while watching lotr too?

>It was about ''countries that are doing fine without being in the EU''

Yeah except you were using it as an argument for why the UK will be fine without the EU when in reality you can't dissociate the EU's impact on the UK's prominence nor can you dissociate the relevance of how/why those other countries are "fine". It's intellectually dishonest.

There were literally the largest protests in history against the invasion of iraq you dumb fucking retard. I love how americans are so casually comfortable with outright lying to suit their needs. Lying comes so naturally to them, as if it's their native tongue.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests

>The EU has stopped pressuring Eastern Euro countries to take more refugees
The fact that they even considered thinking about forcing member states to take in quotes is beyond terrifying.

How many nations in Europe is doing fine without being in the EU?

>can't even read the posts he links to
brain dead or bot

Only because you keep talking about geography and not economics. Yes, Japan is in Asia. Its economy is comparable to Germany though

why should anyone have sympathy for your personal plight when you openly call for extermination and genocide?

Too bad it was written in the documents they all agreed on when joining

ofc they don't. Nearly all the pro-EU types I know were pro bombing and intervention in Syria too but somehow its the reverse when you can shit on anglos with it. The only people I knew against the intervention were EU-pessimistic communists and alt-righters

fuck off, I bet you begged for rapefugees to be let in too, fucking idiot

>you don’t really believe that it’s the Syrians and Libyans asking for help, do you?
Them, and the do-gooder lefties in Europe and the US who take to the streets to call for international action against muh ebil dictators.

Those countries are free to leave the EU whenever they want.

Now if only EU has done the smart thing like cutting their funding when they stopped pressuring them to take refugees. Almost funny how thugs like Orban is out there crying about the evils of the EU while happily filling his pocket with money he gets from EU

>There were literally the largest protests in history against the invasion of iraq you dumb fucking retard
Yup, that also happened.
Doesn't change the truth about what I said.
Also, Iraq was invaded twice. Remember the first time?
Also also, don't forget places like Libya and Syria.

Aw dad, you might have been a shitty father and kicked us out of the house while making fun of our weight problem but we wouldn't eat you alive. I love you dad.

>They seem to understand that they fucked up and there are now large scale deportations of refugees across the continent, even coming from left wing parties.
Yeah, in the same way that Mugabe realized he fucked up when he genocided his white population and now he has no food or money production left. Doesn't change the fact that he did it

>Only because you keep talking about geography and not economics.
And population.

And this post: also argued using geography and economics.

Again, thanks for proving my point that you can accept and dismiss comparisons between countries for X amount of reasons.

here you go before this thread gets 404

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>Approximately one-fifth of the total demonstrators worldwide protested in Europe.
woop de fucking do. irrelevant compared to America as usual

Can we all agree that Brexit was a mistake yet?

Why does BBC love BBC’s so much?
>pic unrelated but kinda related

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"anyone" implies humans. Culling a pest species is perfectly acceptable and reasonable.
Deliberately flooding a previously pristine area with a pest is a crime.
Interesting how you can't see the difference, but not surprising given your npc responses.

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>Hey, want to work together? We can make both our countries better by sharing benefits and problems
>"ok"
>Great, just make sure you're around if something goes wrong
>"ok"
>Ah fuck, the migrant issue was a huge mistake, you guys were right. Still could you help us out here?
>"what the fuck is this fascist bullshit, this is basically the fourth reich, no you nazi cunt"

Nice deflections.

>The UK literally voluntarily left the biggest trading bloc in the world, essentially making them their rivals for trade.
Are Brits retarded?

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No shit, but the point is that their mentality over migrants has fundamentally changed. They're not optimistically thinking they can take in millions anymore and they already feel the current amount is too much.

So what would happen to house prices if the pound did crash? What, for example would happen to the price of a property worth £200,000? Would it stay the same? Go up? Go down to reflect the fact that the pound had been seriously devalued? Please help me I'm a complete brainlet when it comes to these things.

Then let's start with culling americans, they are the most destructive pest on the planet with their cancerous degenerate culture, warmongering and leaving behind devastation wherever they go.

The masses of retards: "bombing syrians is alright as long as we save the poor ISIS groups funded by the CIA"
That's their mentality and they don't even realise it.
Same with iraq, "SADDAM IS KILLING HIS OWN PEOPLE, let's bomb the country for a couple of decades with depleted uranium until they're all dead, that'll save them."
Emotional, unthinking puppets of the chosen.
Always falling for the "gassing his own people!!" line.

It was voted by literal boomers who still think the British empire exists and that britain controls global trade, rather than being a nation of shopkeepers who's entire economy is kept afloat by the (((banking))) sector.

they are but its mostly the old people who think Britain will return to its former glory for just leaving the EU.
How ignorant these people are. Its the same shit with Trump.

Source on migrant quotas being in those papers?

I was using it as a argument for why nations don't need the EU to be doing fine.
>but those nations are different
yes, well spotted.

>gassing his own people

its an old lie but it works.

Cull 44% of them and you'll soon find there are no more problems, especially once a certain chosen 10 million is gone.

Sure they do. Including the French.
And now you have the same insane lefties (including in France) who were crying out for intervention in Libya going on about how France deserves to be flooded with migrants because of their imperialist actions in Libya.

If they don't get a deal, it's an unbelievable disaster in every single metric imaginable. They better pray Donald Trump (no, this isn't orange man bad) wins because Democrats are never going to side with the EU. England has practically zero bargaining power when they leave the EU, they're losing convenient trade opportunities and access to manufacturing contracts (one of England's few strengths) not to mention the diplomatic albatross they'll wear on their neck dealing with their closest and most important allies. Their only hope is the EU delaying until the new budget which would potentially set them up for some level of bleed over treaty or trade potential, but legitimately they're fucked.

Once again, salty baby boomers soil their diaper and the next generation of their country because they're upset over literally imaginary narratives like Syria being added to the EU or Britain getting nothing out of being in there.

I'm going to tell the jannies that you just gassed your own people.

>Boomers at it again

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When they joined the EU it still required unanimity to pass legislation, so the idea that a country might be forced to do something it didn't want to wasn't on the table.

The people voted to leave.
How the EU "allows" them to leave is up to them, and their responsibility.
If they give the UK a bad deal, then that's further proof of their bad faith.

>let me show you I'm not China's bitch by deepthroating and opening my asshole for this American cock!

It's simple, kill 500,000 people of a certain type in France, and make it very public.
The ones who were repeating the talking points they had been being fed will cease.

fuck Belzebub Condomsquad

Yea it's fucking pathetic, but don't get it wrong, we're the US' bitch.

if the eastern seabord and california were eradicated, most of the worlds problems would disappear overnight.

>completely backpedal your original point to essentially make no point at all

Don't forget a little illegitimate country in the middle east.
There should also be a radioactive wasteland filled with landmines along the southern border states.

>we would be nothing if we don't bow down to Brussels!
>Big scary USA, China and Russia would eat us alive without the EU!
>A lot of people actually believe this stuff

It's like you think I can't just look back at your original post

Britain continually holding out for better deals is unbelievably arrogant, though. There have been multiple offers and they aren't taking them.

They're now talking about getting a Canada-type deal. It's like they found the best possible relationship the EU has with a non-member country and said "we want that one!"

>If they give the UK a bad deal, then that's further proof of their bad faith
"Hey, wanna join our club? You give a little, we give a little and we'll create exceptional value with our strongly legislated and codependant relationship."
"Sure, I'll join.. uh actually, I want to leave because *checks notes* my sovereignty."
"Well, that sucks. Since you aren't willing to pitch in any more in the fishing zones, manufacturing agreements, agricultural fund, assistance pool--"
"Woah, woah, woah, woah. I want all of those, I just don't want to pay for them and follow the same rules! What the fuck?"
"Huh? But the only reason these highly successful things are able to work is because we're all following the same set of rules and we've got legislated codependence."
"Ugh, bad faith actors. So much for the tolerant left!"

I voted brexit and agree with this. My issue is that the implementation is awful. The EU does not living up to its promise of allowing decisions to be made at the lowest level. The european idea of human rights means the ability to live within a politically correct nanny state where you are punished for hate speech. There are huge incentives for politicians in their own countries to sell out their own country in pursuit of EU sinecures.

And you have to admit that the idealism is lost in the practicalities. Look at this upcoming EU election. What sort of EU wide demos is there? Nothing. How much scrutiny are EU politiicans put under? Zero. What difference can an EU parliament member make? none

The fuck are you rambling about.
There was a democratic referendum, and the outcome was to leave.

If the EU now wants to give the UK a hard time about it, that's proof of their bad faith.

>It's like they found the best possible relationship the EU has with a non-member country and said "we want that one!"
Obviously?
Considering the geographic proximity and history, they should get an even better deal than fucking Canada.

t.

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>If the EU now wants to give the UK a hard time about it, that's proof of their bad faith.
The EU has been 100% consistant though from the start. They have said that if the UK wants to leave without a deal they can, although that benefits nobody.

Its the UK that has been messing around constantly.

>they should get an even better deal than fucking Canada.
we'll see about that, hater

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No but the propaganda wasn't working the way the wanted it too.
>It still isn't
>It's funny trying to watch the media tr to focus on America AND brexit
>Honestly it looks like they are just reeeee'ing at fucking everything then they slap in a story about a dog or football

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>so many are now backpedalling because they fear getting fucked in the future
I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ IN THE GUARDIAN AND ON CNN.

It isn't bad faith by any definition of the term. Britain had good deals because they were forced to be codependent, they do not get to benefit from the same deals that other nations do when they forego all of the other responsibilities.

And why wouldn't the EU give the UK the best deal possible?

>*lubes rake

>they do not get to benefit from the same deals that other nations do when they forego all of the other responsibilities.
Responsibilities like taking in migrant quotas?

>The UK
You mean the bought and paid for MP's son, the people stated their intentions years ago.

>And why wouldn't the EU give the UK the best deal possible?
What is your idea of the best deal possible? The best deal would be retaining all the benefits of EU membership without being a member which is obviously stupid.

>they should get an even better deal than fucking Canada
Yea, to really show any other member states that you can leave and not suffer a single repercussion.

>What is your idea of the best deal possible?
Whatever Canada has, apparently.

Are you implying Canada is treated as an EU member state?

There are many reasons to leave the gigantic oligarchic merchant cabal that is the EU
But the ones used as the excuse in the UK weren't the ones
And likewise it was more the actions of Margaret Thatcher and the recent Neoliberal policies that have resulted in the destruction of the working class in Britain moreso than the flood of immigrants

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All i said is you don't need to be in the EU to be a well off nation. I give a list of nations that are doing fine without being in the EU. You can't refute that other than by saying ''well these nations aren't like the UK''

The quota system that didn't get approved? No, sharing fishing zones, paying into agricultural development (of which England got the best returns on investment) and shared manufacturing.

Maybe after 5 years, the shitfest isn't even over yet.

>The quota system that didn't get approved?
It was absolutely approved, just not by a few member states who almost suffered (and may still suffer) sanctions for their dissent.

>And likewise it was more the actions of Margaret Thatcher and the recent Neoliberal policies that have resulted in the destruction of the working class in Britain moreso than the flood of immigrants
This. Imagine thinking that leaving the EU is going to have any benefit for the average person. Reminder that it is the Torys who are bringing in porn ID laws, pushing austerity etc.

Deals way below member state-tier benefits have been shot down by the EU.

GERMANS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>It was absolutely approved
.. by individual member states who *opted in* to it, in exchange for investments to cover the added costs. Do you know nothing about how the EU functions? Germany made a couple of unsuccessful pushes to get it turned into a universal thing but they never came close to passing.

Why? They are doing fine and will continue doing fine. Its the UK that is in a huge mess lmao

>it was more the actions of Margaret Thatcher and the recent Neoliberal policies that have resulted in the destruction of the working class in Britain
It was actions of Clement Attlee and Labour with their hard-on for nationalization of all major industry that led to the shitshow which Maggie pulled a plug on.

I'm implying that the UK posing a serious structural threat to the EU, then expecting an amazing deal on top of it, is silly if you consider the situation from the EU perspective for more than a second. It also comes across as arrogant when the UK has been told they won't be getting anything better than what has been offered.

>.. by individual member states who *opted in* to it
You fucking retard.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11873936/Eastern-European-countries-may-be-forced-accept-quotas-for-migrants.html
>Eastern European countries may be forced accept quotas for migrants
>Germany's foreign minister says it may consider use of "a qualified majority" to force Eastern European countries to accept quotas for migrants

So you're saying the UK deserves a worse deal than Canada because they deserve "repercussions" for daring to leave the actual union (which Canada was never even part of)?

Lmao, talk about acting in bad faith.

This argument would make more sense if the UK (and every other western country) wasn't basically doing the same politically correct nanny state thing anyhow. Even the idea of politicians selling out their country remains, though who they're selling out to is obviously a bit different.

>pushing austerity
At 87% debt to GDP ratio, some austerity is pretty damn warranted

>I-ITS NOT G-GONNA COLLAPSE GUISE
>HE'S GONNA GET IMPEACHED G-GUISE

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Without Britain Germany has to pay for all the shitholes by themselves. Without Britain the EU moves to a more socialist model. I can’t wait to see Germans taxed to death lmao

I haven't watched it but it depends. It you want to make a movie, yes. If you want to cash on on it, no.

Except that under Labour, average wages, benefits increased alongside economic growth that was more evenly distributed. Likewise in the US and other nations where protections and government regulation enabled workers to actually have money to spend and afford houses and property. It's only when heavy deregulation occurs that the "economy"(gdp, gnp) will skyrise but conditions for nearly the entirety of the nation start to crumble
Under Reagan and Thatcher the "economy" did better, but average peoples' situations either stagnated or got way worse
It's not as bad in Britain as it is in the US, but my main point is that the UK looked to use the fear of mass immigration as an excuse to ignore/cover up the government's failings to the people

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You niggrs gotta think it's gonna collapse any minute now to justify your poor decisions.

>the EU moves to a more socialist model
I wish. The EU is a neoliberal capitalist organisation through and through.

>poor decisions
like cutting off your manhood in pursuit of a certain (((fetish))) eh tranny

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Expecting a one-sided deal, despite being told you're not going to get it, is acting in bad faith.

Why should the EU offer something that might destabilize their structural integrity?

>Except that under Labour, average wages, benefits increased alongside economic growth that was more evenly distributed. Likewise in the US and other nations where protections and government regulation enabled workers to actually have money to spend and afford houses and property. It's only when heavy deregulation occurs that the "economy"(gdp, gnp) will skyrise but conditions for nearly the entirety of the nation start to crumble
Except all that "evenly distributed growth" and workers getting more money is fueled by one thing: debt. Aka the workers ate through their future.

>posting that faggot art along with a political statement
This is cringe.

>Expecting a one-sided deal
How about a Canada-tier deal?

Germany isn't going to pay for anything it doesn't want to. Macron's push for more centralised EU failed precisely because the Germans (and the Dutch, the Austrian, the Finns etc) didn't want to pay for it

>25-49 year olds:
>54% remain vs 46% leave
That's... cutting it pretty close, don't you think? Hardly the slam dunk for remain that the 18-24 age bracket is.

The population of each bracket would be worth showing, wouldn't it? It'd really skew the results. The 18-24 bracket isn't even 10% of the country.

Trade deals are made based on the countries being traded with. Do you think Britain and Canada are the same? Do you think their relationships with the EU are the same?

>The 18-24 bracket isn't even 10% of the country.
Plus they'll likely change their political views as they age.

Your post was so full of rhetoric and buzzwords that I almost thought you were a far-leftist extremist. Then I read your last line and it confirmed it.
Immigration has ruined England, the culture has been killed off to appease the invaders, trillions of pounds lost to benefits, no trust, filthy crime rates, disgusting ghettos in cities, generations of girls raped.
As for politicians, they were the ones causing both things to happen, but without immigration the country at least stood a chance at regaining its dignity.
You just don't see the depth of poison that having mass alien populations does, or even the enormous extent of their numbers. Likely telling of where you live.

>Do you think Britain and Canada are the same?
No, the UK has a much closer relationship to the EU; historically, economically, geographically, demographically, ...

It's almost like they should stay in this bloc that helps project European power around the world...

Not a Brit but I like how these so-called champions of the working class all of a sudden act like it's good to be elitist when it comes to questions of immigration.

because it was nice to see dad get his balls back

>Germany isn't going to pay for anything
They will eventually. Shithole like Italy and France are going to collapse because they can't into responsible money management and their companies are not competetive compared to Germs. And unless Germs want their precious EU to collapse, they'll have to pay.

That would be a good idea if the EU wasn't turning into a totalitarian monsterstate.

As though the UK doesn't institute their own totalitarian nonsense. Better to die together with your brothers than far apart by walls you built on false foundations.

If it happens, the Germans will make them pay a pound of flesh, just like they did the Greeks

Yeah, bring them all in so the working class has their wages cut in half. Makes sense.
In the 60s there was a campaign slogan of the conservative party: "if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote labour". Unfortunately that is true for all parties now.

Except debt also decreased under labour, where it skyrocketed under more "conservative" governments who take out tremendous credit deals to subsidize large corporations who then never paid any of the money back
Likewise the creation of entire debt economies in the financial sector (such as those seen leading up to and causing the financial slump of 2008) generating trillions of "dollars" for businesses
Much of the current debt across the western world is literal fake money tied to massive credit on speculative markets created through deregulation of the financial sector
Everyone likes to point out that the subsidization of worker and social programs costs tremendous bank, but it's a fraction of a fraction of what is spent on the financial sector, which essentially operates on a "We THINK it's worth X" policy, and military expenditures
no u
>I almost thought you were a far-leftist extremist
>"I think we spend too much on the 1% and war economy, we could spend some of that on the actual populace"
>"FUCKING COMMUNIST"

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>As though the UK doesn't institute their own totalitarian nonsense.
That's why this is a two-stage problem for the British people
1) get out of the EU
2) overhaul the government

Not when your brothers are being injected with ebola.

No. But the powers that be need to make sure there's ample agitprop out there to paint the people wanting to leave their centralized globalist anti-white one-world government are evil bad hitlers, stupid, and the naughtiest of racist goyim. They're rewriting history in real-time.

So why aren't they leaving?
It has been years since the referendum and according to Brexiters, the EU fears the UK. They should be able to get a favourable deal so leaving is easy

>As though the UK doesn't institute their own totalitarian nonsense.
lel this argument
"Why not let a superstate impose its totalitarian nonsense on top of your own internal totalitarian nonsense".

Protip: if the UK had referendums on their own totalitarian nonsense like the one they had on the EU, things would be quite different.

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the level of delusion

The southern countries should never have been dragged into the EU, they are agrarian societies which is why they suffered massive crises in the first place.
Giant German firms going into Spain and buying everything, exploiting the local economy and then clearing off leaving them in a mess. The economies weren't parallel in the first place. A split currency would have made more sense.

Because we know first-hand "diversity" ruins countries.

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>act flagrantly gross
>post faggy shit
>be a liberal
You're not a communist, you're a tired cliche.

If the British people had the means to change their government's totalitarianism, then they could do it regardless of whether or not they're an EU member state. If they stayed in the EU, they could help lead the way of dismantling that totalitarianism from within, especially with all the Eastern/Southern European countries that are more conservative and skeptical.

Regardless, I really doubt that's the plan of the British people anyhow.

To play the devil's advocate, totalitarian monsterstate is the only way to push any "European power"

There are about 10 million Greeks. France has a pop of 67 million. Italy 60 and a half. Greeks could've been kicked out of Euro. French and Italians? No chance. It won't fly. They are too big.

Changes nothing about welfare state and nationalized industry being unsustainable.

EU as a whole never should've existed, certainly not in its current form.

Then again, communism is a tired cliche as well.

> Russian troll farms.
Literally doesn't exist and has never been proven to exist. I remember you mongs calling the "releasethememo" hashtag Russian trolls too, and then actual research showed it was 98% Americans.

now you Euros have a bit of an understanding as to why us Americans hate our federal government so much

>totalitarian monsterstate is the only way to push any "European power"
... off a cliff.

>having as much power in the EU as the UK does but still feeling like things are being 'imposed' ontop of you
It's even worse when it's the same shit the UK government wants to enact whether it's in the EU or not.

You don't seem to realize two things:
1) Europe never detangled its network of debts since the 2008 crash.
2) Another crash is going to happen in the next few years because nothing was fixed after 2008. And yes, Obama is to blame.

>help lead the way of dismantling that totalitarianism from within
That would take way too long because of how entrenched those trying to totalitarize EU are

Very droll, prime minister

>Hans couldn't win in /pol/ so he brought it to Yea Forums
>Still can't win
HAH.
It's almost like you are on the wrong side of history.

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>s-so what if the EU is a totalitarian monsterstate, you were going to implement those totalitarian regulations yourself anyway!

Nah, but the UK is morally, culturally and genetically bankrupt.

>quick we need someone to star in a shitty propaganda movie
>he's already here sir

Doubtful. And the only ones in Europe that have guns are the government and Muslims.

>these totalitarian policies that we agree with and pushed for are sooo bad because a German had some influence over the decision and not a rich Londoner that absolutely represents the country!

see

Liberals got us into this mess user
Their collusion with conservative "nationalists" on the subjects of war and finance has placed the "left" in the mainstream american political spectrum far to the right of what was "center" even a few decades ago
The difference between liberals and conservatives in politics is that a liberal will put a rainbow flag on their twitter during pride month
All industry is more unsustainable through the process of automation moreso than "cost"
There are trillions of dollars being spent every year on nonsense wars and subsidization
Iraq alone in 2017 was 560 billion dollars (declared, meaning it was for sure over a trillion) and we're going to increase pentagon yearly spending by (declared) 200 billion dollars and a further 2-5 trillion building nukes
Meanwhile the cost of ending homelessness in the US is around 20 billion dollars by even the most expensive estimates and likewise healthcare being FREE is a fraction of what gets pumped into the pockets of multinational (actual globalist) corporate dynasties
Pumping money into the working class creates a genuine trickle-up effect that creates actual money in the economy
Instead of the current speculation and credit-on credit-on credit feedback loop economy that exists right now that has the exact same credit-loan agreements as in 2008, meaning another crisis is coming very quickly

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>He thinks the UK made it
Imagine being that American.

The US is a prime example that even large blocks founded on democracy and individual rights in the end end up either tyrannical or incapable of action.

the EU does fear the UK, but not for the reason Brexitors think
it's because they don't want other countries thinking leaving is a viable option
which is why the EU will make leaving as painful as possible for them

But that's literally true. If your argument to leave the EU is about totalitarianism, then you go and act just as bad or even worse, then what's the point?

>If they stayed in the EU, they could help lead the way of dismantling that totalitarianism from within
I doubt that somehow, considering how votes go in the EU parliament.

Which is why I find Scotland threatening to leave the UK kinda funny.
>UK: we're being led by the nose in a union where we have a say but our say always gets overturned by the greater powers in the union... fuck this, we're out!
>Scotland: we're being led by the nose in a union where we have a say but our say always gets overturned by the greater powers in the union... fuck this, we're out!
>Rest of UK: See!? Now you get it!

what does having guns have to do with hating your centralized government?

You're quite touchy, Ian.

>so what if the EU is a totalitarian monsterstate, you were going to implement those totalitarian regulations yourself anyway!

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>Removing the mask from the UK
For you

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>the chequers plan is 'as painful as possible'

>American spews shit after being called American
Drumroll please.

Literally how retarded do you have to be to think the EU is totalitarian? Christ polfags are retards.

Show me what's wrong with that

Nothing quite says "third world shithole" like roadblocks and checkpoints with armed guards.
Diversity is our strength, control is our freedom.

>forcing member states to engage in mass immigration
>not totalitarian
k

You're cute.

>subsidization
Which is exactly what killed British industry.
>pumping money into the working class
Pumping money into ANYTHING leads to a bubble. The only question is how fast.

Immigration was more used as an excuse to increase authoritarian policy towards the populace
The EU are just catching up to what the US did with the "War on Terror"

>the UK has been morally, culturally and economically bankrupted by yids which make up 0.5% of the population
Fixed.

>Then, they fucked things up even harder by playing soft-ball with the EU, who can't afford to make the process easy for fear of other nations leaving in the next decade

This is how you know the EU is a mafia, not a beneficial trade agreement.

No matter how easy it is, nobody leaves beneficial agreements. When you have to build a wall around to keep people from leaving, you are soviet russia or contemporary north korea.

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The left can't meme

The EU got the idea from the UK anyway

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