Who would win in a fight? Jamie or Robert?

If they're both armored and with their weapon of choice? Prime Robert easily.
Unarmed? Prime Robert still, maybe even fat Robert.
With swords? Jaime easily.

hard to tell
>based bobby b at 6'6 with warhammer destroyed rhaegar at the trident
>jaime was a far better fighter than rhaegar and is near on barristan/arthur dayne category
dunno, will leave it inconclusive, mind you, no one should willingly mess with THE BOAR

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>implying
That little DEX fag would get his chestplate absolutely smashed to bits by Bobby's mighty warhammer. Can't parry that shit faggio

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Dayne lost to Rhaegar twice. I'm guessing Rhaegar would beat Selmy too but it is close.

That was Arthur Dayne, Jaime himself says so.

jousting my dude, not swordfighting

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that's on a horse with a lance dumb dumb. the melee is where people fight on foot and robert was a champion but its not where you found the dignified lords

Bobby B was a force of nature in his prime. 6'6 and full of muscle. Wielded a Warhammer in one hand Eddard had trouble just picking up. I'm going with him.

Bobby is a solid S tier. Jamie is a mid A tier

Jousting doesn't count unless you want to say Loras is better than Jaime, making Brienne better than Jaime since she beat Loras.

I guess Loras Tyrell is top fighter of Westeros now.

>Rhaegar defeated Dayne in a joust twice
The Sword of the Morning absolutely shits in his cereal 1v1 as does Selmy, Jaime, and Hightower. Dunk would bootyblast all of them as well

i wonder how good Dunk actually is at his peak. right now in D&E he's still pretty mediocre.

Could Bob tank the Mountain?

GODS

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probably. I always got the feeling the Mountain isn't actually that skilled he's just so big and can wield such a giant sword and plate that he BTFOs anyone else. I don't think he'd fare well against an opponent who was relatively in his league and was skilled.

Daily reminder the end will be shitty

1. Dayne
2. Jaime and Selmy
3. Robert

Jaime respects Selmy too much to rank himself as equal, but he was in his prime. Robert was good but not when it came to one on one. Rhaegar losing was referred to as a fluke by more than one unbiased character. Ned had the ranks I posted above but his dislike of Jaime made him downplay how fucking amazing Jaime is at one on one.

(This list is relevant to the books only. In the show literally no one who was supposed to be fucking amazing was convincing. They all Sam Jackson'd their fights and looked like fifty year old's practicing golf swings like Mace vs Palpatine. Even Dayne looked stupid.)

>I don't think he'd fare well against an opponent who was relatively in his league and was skilled.

Remember how Oberyn did against him? If he had not started to and just finished the kill he would have won.

They weren't justing with Brienne. It was All vs All fight.

yeah that's what I'm saying I don't think the Mountain does well against a skilled opponent who could match his reach. Bobby B should have it in the bag.

That was the entire point of his fight with Oberyn.

Martin said that Selmy and Dayne were equal, but Dayne just had an edge because of Dawn. So he should be with Dayne if we're talking about just skill.
>Rhaegar losing was referred to as a fluke by more than one unbiased character
when was it ever called a fluke?

I could live with not getting TWOW or ADOS if we just got 3-4 more D&E stories.

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i unironically like D&E better. they're comfy af

Robert was never that good a fighter, he was just strong and got lucky against Rhaegar.
Prime Jaime on the other hand was regarded as one of the greatest living warriors in Westeros. His competition is the likes of prime Barristan Selmy or prime Arthur Dayne, a different league altogether to Robert.

No his death is even dumber

Me too user, me too

George also said the series would be a trilogy, it was unfilmable, he'd never let it be filmed, it would be five books maybe, it might be six, it's definitely seven, it would take less than ten years between books, he'd turn in book six by 2018... Etc.

He talks out of his ass all day. user is probably going by published shit alone.

Robert was god tier, below arthur dayne, selny and the mountaim but above Jaime and Oberynn.

That's what happens when you try to make the goat say sapphires and lose your dominant hand.

>Robert was never that good a fighter, he was just strong and got lucky against Rhaegar.
Why ascribe it to luck? Both Stannis and Ned think/talk about how amazing Robert was as a warrior, he definitely was a great fighter.

your honor this nigga is a troll

George being bad at his release schedule doesn't really have anything to do with which of his fictional characters would hypothetically beat the other. He's the word of god in this situation.

>below the mountain
>above Oberyn
pick one retard

They were specifically talking about situations where it was a bunch of dudes against a bunch of other dudes. Robert was basically the mountain of his day. Super strong and able to take advantage of that but in a duel he was good but not great. You guys have to take into account who's doing the telling when it comes to how good people are portrayed.

Robert was undefeated in tourney duels though, not to mention Rhaegar was no slouch and Robert smacked him down 1v1.

Wasn't as much competition when he was doing his run.

In the books Robert in his prime is described as a literal god by Ned. So I lean towards robert in his prime

Rob

who are top 3 fighters in all of westeros though?

arthur dayne is one but who else

Luck was maybe the wrong word, Robert pretty much was a lesser version of the Mountain in his time. Huge and strong, and don't get me wrong that does make you a good warrior, but there's no indication he had any particularly amazing level of skill to go along with it. He was especially good at tearing through and intimidating groups of weaker enemy soldiers by himself, but a one-on-one fight is different. Like with Oberyn VS the Mountain, sheer strength isn't enough against a truly skilled fighter, and Jaime was exactly that, even moreso than Oberyn was.

This is now an Arthur Dayne appreciation thread.

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It's weird how Ned, Jaime, Robert, Catelyn and that whole generation are supposed to be within a few years of each other.

Yet Jaime and circei were depicted as if they were 10-20 years younger than ned, robert and Catelyn in the show.

The mountain defeated oberynn fag.
The mountain left alive and oberynn not, the mountain died days later.

He did fine in 1v1 fights though, Robert loved melees and he reportedly won even tourney melee he fought in and slapped down Rhaegar, who while not god-tier was described as pretty skilled. He has more feats than Jaime does.

*teleports behind literally everyone else*

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>Some men are literally born with these genes

It's not fucking fair bro's...

currently? garlan tyrell, selmy, the hound

In that case:
wild boar > robert baratheon

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no i mean of all time
arthur dayne, selmy, and who

If the Mountain and Oberyn had simply been trying to kill each other Oberyn obviously would have won. He didn't because he was trying to make his stupid point about what Clegane did and got himself killed. That said, if he wasn't using poison things may have been different anyway, and the use of poison probably doesn't count as part of the skill of a fighter in a one on one duel.

Show fucked up by making everyone not playing a child a decade older than they should have been.

in terms of just raw skill? Dunk, depending on how good he actually gets at his peak, or Jaime.

Depends on the armor.
Whit heavy full body plate armor the warhammer wins, with the faggy armors of the show, that somehow forget about legs, the sword is more effective.

Jaime

He was among the best, but he wasn't top tier until after his superiors died.
Robert was also considered a great warrior, to the point where he was crowned king for it.

Big differences you fucking retard
>Fat old guys dies because of hunting accident means the boar is stronger than prime robert.

>A Duel held where both combatants had time to prepare and fought each other at there prime where The mountain clearer WON

>who are top 3 fighters in all of westeros though?
Number one definitely is Arya.

Jaime easily. Robert is too mentally weak.

Oberynn did try to kill him but hus tactic was prancing around and outlasting him and getting him into position in which he could hit his joints.
Oberynn knew he couldnt attack him head one and tried getting in his head.

yeah but he wanted the confession if he was just going for the kill he would've won

Melees are not 1v1s, and different skills are required. Someone like Robert would be exactly what you want in a melee, it's not surprising he preferred them. Anyway, sure, he was definitely good, same way the Mountain was good. There seems to be a whole different tier though when you get to the likes of Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy, at the very top, and the impression I got from reading was that Jaime was on their level. Probably a little below them of course, but in the same the league at the very top.

Oberyn's tactic was to poison him and make it last.

You could argue that both fighters won and lost.

Jeoffrey was kind of a chad in the books, the actor was great but they kind of did him dirty.
Amusingly enough, Jeoffrey was a better swordsman than Robb, Jon and theon and beat them all with ease while sparring despite being younger than them.

They also hated him because he was taller then them despite being younger in age.

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>fat guy dies because of accident
>oberyn dies because of accident
seems pretty similar to me user. you're just formulating it differently to support your statement, that's not fair play.

Boars are strong as fuck

Sure, but if both fighters had the same goal, to merely kill their opponent, Oberyn would have won. It would have been exactly the same except instead of making himself vulnerable by trying to get that confession at the end he would have just killed him or let him die.
Of course, if there was no poison involved he may well have lost anyway, so you can argue that the mountain would have won in a fair fight anyway.

Not in his prime. Or at least he made up for any mental weakness with a quick battle-wit and sheer strength.
If I recall he was also unusually fast with that hammer, which would circumvent the biggest weakness of being a hammerbro.

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In what occasion did jeoffryfight them?

Did the mountain rape your sister or something?

Jaime was like 16-17 during the rebellion, Robert, Ned and Catelyn were older than him and Cersei.

When the baratheons visit the Starks at winterfell in the beginning of the book. Jeoffrey sees them training and bullies them a little, after which they challange him and jeoffrey btfo's them.

Winterfell, start of book one.

Did Oberyn rape yours?

Dont forget Rhaegar was pleading "W-wait wai-SPALSH"

In the first book when Robert is at Winterfell Joffrey is making a fool out of the other boys in the courtyard.

I wonder what he was trying to tell Robert. I doubt it was just him pleading for his life

thanks

No. That was some bullshit made up for the show that also still wasn't Rhaegar.

>chad in the books
he was portrayed exactly the same in the books as he was in the show
>Jeoffrey was a better swordsman than Robb, Jon and theon and beat them all with ease while sparring despite being younger than them.

No he doesn't. Jon isn't allowed to spar Joffrey because he's a bastard, and Joffrey claims that he's "swatting Starks" to which Robb replies that he was getting fucked up, and I doubt Robb was lying. They then challenge each other to a live steel match that Rodrik breaks up.

Robert followed it up by saying "They never tell you how they shit themselves before they die"

He was asking what would be Robert's tax policy
Or that Lyanna Stark was dying

Btw, does GRRM know what a warhammer is? Ive seen drawings of Rob with a warhammer, which is one handed, a maul which is like in that pic and a polehammer.

Per GRRM, no he doesn't

joffrey never btfos them what are you talking about

Laughing my ass off at all these "experts" who think that some "gotta go fast" strawhead would beat a man who literally won himself the crown by killing the "better" men. Here's a fat (You) to all of you.

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He wasn't Rhaegar, that was just some Tarly dude Robert killed.

Loras is dead in the books, and not as good as his middle brother, Garlan.

I'm almost positive Joff's overall description was based on Mordred. Just the quintessential blond spoiled fuck.

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Were warhammers actually used in medieval times or is it just a fantasy meme? If they were used, then why would anyone use them over an axe or a sword back then? I would also assume warhammers would be more expensive to make

*blocks your path*

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Is he dead? I thought last we heard of him was he's burned as fuck but holding on.

not in single combat she fucking isn't

GRRM doesn't officiate fanart.

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show arya is anime god tier

They weren't a thing regular soldiers used but people did use them because they were good for bashing guys wearing armor

You are correct, he's not dead but from all reports he's seriously injured.

People talking about Robert beating Rhaegar as some proof of him being a super skilled warrior when Rhaegar spent most of his life reading books and only started training with weapons when he was already a grown man.

Dunk was so fucking based.

>Who would win in a fight? Jamie or Robert?
Definitely not the dead guy

Assuming those reports are true.
It's possible it's just an excuse so he doesn't have to come back to King's Landing and can start enacting whatever plan the Tyrells have going on over there.

wewlad
young!robert was mars god of war tier and would have absolutely wrecked prissy boi jamie

>Do you think Jaime would die to a pig?
He will be killed by a fucking pregnant woman so.... LOL

Forgetting that Jamie lost with both hands to a girl, she stomped him with ez so not that good fighter.

IIRC English knights would often use warhammers while dismounted, solely to crush armored French knights with

Blunt weapons are fucking OP against armored opponents because they carry a lot of force and that force gets transmitted through metal armor.
Bobby B himself mentions caving in a reachman's chest with his hammer.

After a year chained to a fucking wall in the dark.

A man who deposed a king when was 20, fought in the frontline of every battle and was desribed as a monster whrn wielding his gigantic warhammer is a skilled fighter.

this, Mauls also unlike in fantasy were often basically just sledgehammers with one side tapered to a point. it's what you did back then, see a guy? use a longsword. longsword doesn't work? use a niche weapon to counter whatever he's using that makes longsword not work.

and with both hands tied

And that matters why? If ur skilled ur skilled. You think Bolt couldent sprint almost as fast same scenario ?

God of war?
Sure, maybe. He's the perfect warrior to have in a battle or a melee, incredibly strong and durable, capable of taking down swathes of enemies singlehandedly.
In single combat though?
Nah, he's certainly good but not top tier. ASOIAF has legendarily good duellists, and Robert is not one of them, whereas Jaime is. A Jaime VS Robert fight would be like the Oberyn VS The Mountain one, except Robert was probably worse than The Mountain and Jaime was definitely better than Oberyn.

no, no he couldn't.

Why do you think jamie kept the affair secret? He was scared as fuck that if robb found out he would fuck his shit up. Jamie is like a beta kid in comparison to robb

> A Jaime VS Robert fight would be like the Oberyn VS The Mountain one,
Not really, Oberyn was winning because he had a spear to match The Mountain's reach. Jaime has no such advantage.

GODS I WAS STRONG BACK THEN

Both hands TIED TOGETHER. That's fucking worse than having one hand.

YOU RAPED HER
YOU MURDERED HER
YOU MURDERED HER CHILDREN

So who was better between Selmy and Dayne?

Random Character Tier Order:

Arya
Night King
Drogon
Rhaegal
Viserion
Dayne
Selmy
Jaime
Drogo
Oberyn
Robert
Mountain
Hound
Brienne
Jon
Ned

PREPARE TO DIE

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Martin says they were completely equal, though if they fought Dayne would win because he had a better sword, but assuming they had the same equipment it's a 50/50.

Jaime has skill, speed and dexterity to Robert's brawn. You can argue about whether that really matters in real life or whatever, but in ASOIAF it does. Jaime is borderline unbeatable at his peak, the only people who could beat him are the best of the best single fighters, Arthur Dayne and the like. Robert is more of a brute warrior, he had some amount of skill too but it was only his strength that was exceptional.

and yet he was more of a coward than either of them.

>You can argue about whether that really matters in real life or whatever, but in ASOIAF it does.
It matters about as much as it does in real life. Being strong is just as big of a deal. Again you compared the fight to Oberyn vs the Mountain but Oberyn was able to come out on top because his spear was able to compensate for his lack of reach. Jaime isn't good with a spear, and doesn't have this tactic to aid him vs a big as fuck warhammer crashing down on him.
>Jaime is borderline unbeatable at his peak,
We've literally never seen him fight anyone reputable.

>Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered.
>Black as maester’s ink he was, but fast and strong, the best natural swordsman Selmy had seen since Jaime Lannister.
The books make it pretty clear he was right at the top when it comes to fighting ability. In real life reach matters more than almost anything, but in ASOIAF the best fighters don't have it, they're able to compensate by just being amazingly good fighters. Jaime is pretty much stated to be one of those amazing fighters, and it's stated from the POV of Barristan Selmy who is another one of them.

Is Brienne the word of god now? Ned also says that Robert was a peerless fighter. Why does her word mean more than Neds? Also Robert wasn't a swordsman.
>The books make it pretty clear he was right at the top when it comes to fighting ability
They make it just as clear about Robert's ability. I'm not sure why word of mouth works as evidence for Jaime but not for Robert.
>but in ASOIAF the best fighters don't have it
It matters completely in ASOIAF I don't know what you're talking about, Jaime is not some short small guy, and the entire point of the Oberyn vs Mountain highlights the importance of reach.

Only intelligent answer ITT

Is that why all the best single fighters in ASOIAF are huge and fight with spears?
Oh wait, they don't. The best single fighters are people like Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy, who aren't huge, aren't incredibly strong like Robert or the Mountain, and fight with swords. in ASOIAF skill with a sword can apparently triumph over all else, and Jaime is one of the best and most skilled swordsmen.
Brienne was just one of the two random quotes I picked out, plenty of people remark on how amazing Jaime was, including Barristan Selmy, one of the greatest himself.

in full plate, prime bobby. his Warhammer is not something you'd easily dodge and a full hit from that leaves you dead or reeling, whereas a sword needs a very precise hit to do anything through plate.

considering who he'd also beaten I say bob

>Is that why all the best single fighters in ASOIAF are huge and fight with spears?
A lot of the best fighters are huge though.
>Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy, who aren't huge, aren't incredibly strong like Robert or the Mountain, and fight with swords.
They're fighting other people with swords.
>in ASOIAF skill with a sword can apparently triumph over all else
Not at all. Dunk and the Mountain disprove this.
>plenty of people remark on how amazing Jaime was
And plenty do the same for Robert.

It’s fantasy.
GRRM said that Jaime, with 2 hands, is one of the great swordsmen in the history of Westeros.

but he dragged him and slit his throat at the foot of the iron throne.

how does that counter anything i said? Jaime being a good swordsman isn't in doubt. what's in doubt is if his skill with a sword would allow him to overcome Bobby with a hammer.

I like this version.

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Some good fighters are huge. The ones that people name as the best usually aren't, at least not monstrously so like the Mountain or Robert. The best fighters fight with swords, and the people they battle also fight with swords, that's because swords are really good in ASOIAF. They're not just gimping themselves for no reason, ASOIAF has some fantastical elements and legendarily good swordsmen who can beat almost anyone by using swords are one of those elements.
The Mountain is good, but do you think he would beat Arthur Dayne or Barristan Selmy with them just using their swords? In real life he probably would, but in ASOIAF he wouldn't, they're just that amazingly good. Jaime is nearly on their level, he would beat the Mountain and he would beat Robert if he was in his prime. Robert is closer to the Mountain than he is to Barristan Selmy or someone like that, most of the praise he gets is about how monstrously strong he is and how he can tear through multiple enemies at a time, his one-on-one skill are not his strongest point.

>a very precise hit to do anything through plate.
Not on TV. They can just stab right through the breastplate or whatever.

Thread should have ended here desu

The dude in the Vale, Jamie, Barristan Selmy, Rhaegar, Victarion GreyJoy and Arthur Dayne are all top tier

arya is better than them