Did Joi genuinely love K?

”My attitude towards him is an attitude towards a soul. I am not of the opinion that he has a soul.”

watch the movie again, dummy.

There is nothing genuine about artificial intelligence. It's in the word.

Yes, she was able to offer him a pure love.

"But she's just programmed to do so" and then you reply "and so is your mom" and we go in circles again and again.

There is no singular universal answer to it, it's just one of those big metaphysical questions just like the first BR had where you can argue indefinitely about it.

The film highlighted that it was real to K, that's what's important.
Thinking about whether Joi genuinely loved K is a waste of time and misses the point. There can't be an answer to the question.

GIVE ME A HOLO JOI NOWWWWWW

They even went through the trouble of clearly telling you in the purple scene it was all programming WTF?

What is love?

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You're a good Incel.

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Imagine if Joi was your mum.

Joi was a physical extension of K's character development. What K yearned for, she expressed.

Yes at the start his Joi was a blank slate just like that giant ad, but through all their interactions and K's genuine "I'm special" beliefs (which he doesn't have anymore at the bridge scene) his Joi became special, unique and "real" to him specifically, seeing that entire scene as a mirror of Deckard meeting the fake Rachael, which is most evident by the completely black eyes of the giant Joi, where K could've easily had the same exact "I know what's real" line like Deckard did with the fake Rachael there.
K wanted her to become like a real girl that really loves him and she slowly did so (as she is programmed to do), so where is the difference once she becomes the thing he desires?

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It was a software and it was highlighted in the end.

do you think AI like Joi will exist in our lifetime?

Imagine being this much of a brainlet.

I’d like to think it was genuine love, but I’m inclined to believe that the narrative intended to say otherwise based on K later seeing that advertisement.

Don't ask questions like that unless you have time to waste getting nowhere.

even real women dont love men, so its accurate

what is love though
chemical simulating emotion

Definitely not. Those levels of complexity and personality are rare in real humans today.

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>Or was it simply software running its lines of code and simulating emotion?
This

It definitely was real to him, but that's not the question OP asked, in that scene when K lost his special beliefs he realizes it was only delusion. He couldn't have had that same" i know what's real" line because he realized he didn't know. OP's question is stupid the movie clearly says she wasn't and K realizes it too. Even if you can say his one sided love did make the relationship real.

get fucked nerd

It was programming. I though they made it pretty obvious with the AD and the "dying for the right cause" line.

It was real and it was programming at the same time. I'm not surprised the brainlets here do not get it.

the latter. I could see the shame and the silent wish of me not existing everytime i look into her eyes

Devil’s advocate here; where do we draw the line? Is K more or less dictated by programming since his genes and memories are pre-programmed? I actually forget if replicants are 100% human or not, it’s been a while since I last saw the film.

I grew up Calvinist so I never really understood these kinds of questions

It doesn't matter like OP's question doesn't and if anything the question would be more on topic about the first film, but OP's question is a fucking obvious plot point they went out of their way to answer.

I get your point but, to me, the giant Joy scene meant she wasn't really in love.
It came right after he was told he's nothing special. During the movie she kept telling him he was indeed special, because that's what he wanted to hear.
And that's the selling point of Joi (as seen on the billboard, "everything you want to hear" or something like it).

The black eyes, and the "that was a day" line are just there to remind him she was just a blank AI, that he modelled the way he wanted her to be.
IIRC giant Joi even calls him "Joe" even thought she never met him before. His Joi used the same name when she told him he needed one.

Same, but I still have these types of questions.

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it was a cuban actress running lines of screenplay so she can get paid millions and vacation around the world.

Are you dense?
Are you retarded or something?
It was fucking software.
I'm as big an autist as any of you faggots but even I could see that that was the entire point of the 'romance'.

I want to press my forehead to hers and look deep in her eyes and tell her it's going to be ok and then kiss her tenderly yet firmly.

Imagine being such a lonely brainlet you can't even understand a very basic plot point just because you want to pretend someone might genuinely love you in the future.

MMMM CRYING GIRLS

NEEDS MORE MASCARA RUNNING THOUGH

i kinda disagree. remember the name she chose for him, Joe? Another joi model later calls him that, the giant one with the blue hair. this means that if he asked any other joi for a name, they would also probably pick joe. so likely they would do the same things his original joi did

WHY LIKE A DOG THOUGH, DOGS ARE DOGGED, THEY HOUND

PERISH LIKE A CAT MAYBE, THOSE STUPID FAGGOTS

DEATH TO ALL CATSHITTERS

There is a world of difference between someone calling you Joe or "a good Joe", alluding to the average Joe.
Also in the original script his Joi calls him "Jo". Take that as you wish

I never really got the 'cope' meme, but I think I get it now.

Wuh?

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It's the same question of is Deckard's dog real or not.

There is no answer, other than the fact that Deckard doesn't give a shit if the dog is real or not.

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Where are his ears???

>There is no answer, other than the fact that Deckard doesn't give a shit if the dog is real or not.
Holy fucking brainlets. This isn't the first bladerunner, it isn't about the fine line between real and fake, Joi is fake as shit and the movie states it clearly. Also K does care and he does painfully learn the truth.

doesn't alcohol kill real dogs though

adjective: dogged
having or showing tenacity and grim persistence.
"success required dogged determination"

verb: hound
harass, persecute, or pursue relentlessly

----

adjective: catty
1 : resembling a cat especially : slyly spiteful : malicious
"made several catty comments"

noun: pussy
slang
: a weak or cowardly man or boy : wimp, sissy

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>Did Joi genuinely love K?
No

You humans respond to how your brain is programmed. You are no different

In 100 years these robots will be asking the robots they will be making if they really feel or it's just software

The film couldn't have been more explicit in stating that Joi was just programmed to say what K wanted to hear.

>you humans
fuck off robotnigger

>It's the same question of is Deckard's dog real or not
How's that a question?

>it isn't about the fine line between real and fake
Literally every thing in the film is about that in one way or another you mental midget.

Is Joi's love real? Is Deckard's dog real? Is Rachael's copy real? Is K's human emotion real?
The script even outright says the words "evolved personality or a digital fantasy" for Joi, directly stating the comparison of fake/real and leaving it at that.

BASED DOGGO

OF COURSE DECKARD WOULD HAVE A DOG NOT A FAGGOT CAT LMAO

That's probably why this is the name they chose to go with
Giant Joi used it because it's a common expression, his Joi used it because he wanted to be special, not a serial number anymore.
Average Joe, average replicant. You get the idea

He wouldn't have made this face if he thought her love was real.

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It does have it as a theme, but the film clearly answers those questions, it's not about the doubt, it's about him thinking it was real and realising it wasn't

His waifu was literally stomped to dust the day before, should he be fucking ecstatic when reminded of that fact?

The original ending was K lying on the steps reminding himself of Joi while Joi narrates the Pale Fire poem to him as his dies.

What we got in the film is ten times better than that cheesy narration gimmick, but the fact is that it was originally meant to end that way.

this familia

The text spells it out for you. JOI was what K wanted to "hear and see" in life. But at that point, he's found out he's not the destined savior, he doesn't have a badass pa who was lookin' out for him, he's going to be hunted till he's dead, and standing there in the rain he finds out that JOI was never real and that no one had ever loved him. One final, deep, cutting pain.

And then just as he could break from the infinite weight of his existential meaninglessness, he accepts the total emptiness of his existence, and goes off to do one thing within his power to change the world. And in doing so, feels fulfillment.

The entire point was that you're more than just the nature of your creation. K was hung up on being "special" and thought that being "born" rather than being "made" would make him special, but being special is a result of your actions and experiences. This is shown through Deckard with Rachael as well as K with Joi. The giant Joi is not K's Joi even though they're both manufactured. K's Joi was realised through her actions and experiences with K and subsequently K realises himself through his own actions, independent of the 2 groups trying to "program" him.

CELLS

>Literally every thing in the film is about that in one way or another
You got the movie wrong. You're just projecting your BR experience onto BR2049
There's nothing dubious about BR2049's
There are no purposely unanswered questions

>he finds out that JOI was never real

Are you guys fucking serious? He always knew that she was a fucking software with machine learning aimed exactly towards his niche of lonely losers. Do you think he was a low-IQ ape living in a bubble,that was one day given a waifu out of nowhere? He bought the fucking thing. Yet even though she was a piece of code, the experience and the emotions that he went through were as real as it gets. That scene was him being tortured by the everywhere reminders of what he lost.

Finally someone get's it.
Also K made his own Joi to evolve by herself, pushed her programming beyond it's limits.

A standard Joi is probably just used as replacement for porn and that's it, while K treats her as if she's an actual real girl. He never tells her what to wear, what to do, what to say, how to act, constantly leaving her to make decisions on her own. At Deckard's apartment you can even see her examining the place in awe while K is asleep in a completely other room.

She didn't choose anything, she just said the things that goose wanted to hear.

>There are no purposely unanswered questions
Is the love K is experiencing real or fake? Is Artificial Intelligence capable of learning true human emotions? Is it morally wrong to kill artificially made androids, even if they are almost exactly the same to humans? Is there such a thing as a soul? How tight are the confines of our existence? Will society further dwelve into degeneracy as it plummets down? Is Deckard a human or not? Is Deckard's dog real or not? Did Rachael really love Deckard or was she just programmed by Tyrell to fall in love with Deckard specifically? Did Ana give those memories to K on accident just because of the insatiable need of an artist expressing herself or did she purposefully put it there so her parents come to her some day?

And these are all just surface-level questions about the narrative of the film

>Also K made his own Joi to evolve by herself, pushed her programming beyond it's limits
Incel headcanon

>YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY THAT
HE DIDNT EVEN WANT TO HEAR IT

HE DIDNT LOVE HER AND SHE DIDNT LOVE HIM

LOVE IS A HUMAN EMOTION, AI AND REPLICANTS FUCKOFF

t. worried human roastie

True. But the original question OP asked is about love.
K's Joi was indeed unique as she evolved and learned from their interactions like you said. I'm not saying she was impersonal, but the baseline of her program is simply to be the buyer's idea of a perfect wife, which in K's case, was to be a truly loving one.

I'm open to your interpretation I just don't see it as well as him realizing it was all a sham. Just like the rest of what he had believed up to that point, he wasn't special. He knew that she was software, but he wanted to believe she was real and she cared for him. She was his escape from the crushing loneliness he lived in (I even took it at a further indication of his loneliness when his captain propositions him and he refuses, she doesn't believe he has a soul and still wants to use him for sex. He refuses because it's just more emptiness to him), but just like being the special child, it was what he wanted to believe. He placated himself with a fancy toy to distract himself from the pain, and he realizes it there. Ergo, "everything you want to see, everything you want to hear". He wanted to believe that someone cared, so he projected his desires to a piece of machine learning.

i saw this movie a few months ago and honestly don't remember this shit lol. was joi even important?

What's the difference? Love is a chemical reaction.

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Can't wait for this technology to become real and all the roasties crying in fear from it. I mean they are already crying about jap sex dolls, let alone them getting human like intelligence.

The entire value of a vagina will go way down, only the ones that truly care and/or love will prevail.

Post K sitting on the stairs and starting to reach into his coat for the emitter.

They can make my waifu manifest into reality, but they cannot alter me for the better. I'm not the man I want to be nor will I ever be, and I don't deserve my waifu. So I'll just wait for death instead.

This senpai

The rain on the rooftop scene is another good example of this. "You don't have to say that", yet when she's about to kiss him he acts like he's about to kiss her too. He's quickly reminded he's wrong when the incoming call puts her on pause.
He even let her in the kissing pose for a few seconds while sadly looking at her before he turn her off.

isn't love lines of neural impulses simulating emotion?

Joi's feelings for him were all programming, which is more or less proven in this scene. However, even though he knew that was true deep down, she was still special to him

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This is how I accept it too. Imagine that your waifu is plastered all over the place but she isn't aware of your existence, haha

Sticktocapeshit.

I'm open to it, man, I just took it to be a dead end like everything else K believed to that point. The entire story was a wild goose (ha) chase that K projected his needs onto and that none of it was true, but he elects to do something with his pointless existence, and by doing so gave it meaning. He was content with himself, even if he was alone. "A miracle" and yadda yadda

no.

The singular universal answer is there is no functional difference, and the distinction is entirely irrelevant. As the entire point of “do androids dream of electric sheep” is you can’t build what is ostensibly a human being and expect it to act like a machine.

youtu.be/Uu6LHileGk0

>0.17 - deleted pink whorey joi
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I mean.... She had the second most screen time and was the only person the main character talked to for a lot of the movie

Accidentally replied to you, misread which post was aimed at me.

Also the final fight. He drowns "Luv", both literally and metaphorically. He absconds from his need for others, he's happy with himself.

No. Most of her romantic evolution was preprogrammed aka she was a triflin' whore.

When you remove the semantic distinction of "born" vs "made", it stops even being a question.

Is your mom a triflin' whore then aswell?

>muh sexbot waifu
Just go get a fucking latina like her in south america you fucks (if you're white of course).

YOU DONT HAVE TO GO TO SOUTH AMERICA THEY COME TO YOU

DRUMPFS WALL DOES NOTHING UNTIL HE PUTS THE ALLIGATOR MOAT IN

>AYYYPAPI

based

If you dont think she actually loved him then you missed the entire point of the blade runner movies

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The point of bladerunner movies isn't that even incels like you have a chance to be loved.
You do know that right?

This fucking thread's making me tear up. The sequel doesn't have the impact or mysteriousness of the original, but what messages it does have hit fairly hard.

Villeneuve produces kino in a world of capeshit.

really mean for no reason ;-;

If she didn't then the movie has no message.

Anyone who brings up programming in relation to this movie is a brainlet.

t. retard

It's too much for the teenagers who frequent this board tbqh.
You have replies like this one that are so surface level and idiotic that it actually physically pains me to read it. Can hardly think of anything else that exposes Yea Forums so badly.

If you follow the "K coming of age" theme of the movie, then the love probably wasn't real, but there's a good argument that it was.

It's up for interpretation, I don't even know why you dumbasses are arguing

She's programmed to love K but it's real for her.

It was literally this.

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You know this makes a lot of sense
It also explains why she made me so sad

bump

This is what modern science tells you. Love is genetic. Sometimes it’s all right to say that we don’t understand something.

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You missed the point of the giant Joi scene if you think she actually loved him. It's literally spelled out on screen for you.

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Also how lazy is K that he never bothered naming her?

That's kind of the point, he just wanted companionship and didn't care about anything else. He also kept her appearance on her default setting

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That is the most likely answer, but she did override her own programming to help him. But then again, that could have just been part of her imperative to be as convincing as possible.

Maybe. Did she have true AI? Who knows. The distinction is relevant, but impossible to tell as an outside observer.

This is explained in the movie. Maybe try watching it.

How does one go about accomplishing this feat? Asking for a friend.