Can't sleep

>Can't sleep
>Try and think what the meaning of ironic is
>Say the contrary of what you think

So, doing the reverse of what you intended is ironic
A cardiologist who has an heart attack isn't ironic, but if he gets one from overworking it is

So here we have Plagueis, who "try to save other but can't save himself"
1)He wasn't attempting to save himself, as such it's not ironic
2)If he tries to save others, it's stating clearly that he is selfless and thus any implication that he was trying to survive too goes out of the window, since, he forgets about it any irony goes out of the window

So is Lucas a complete hack ?

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I use the word 'ironic' all the time but I have no idea what it means

My mom also doesn't know what ironic means
>I ran into your old teacher at the store, it was pretty ironic

its ironic because he has the power to save everyone else except himself

are you really this much of a brainlet?

???

Doing the REVERSE of what you are trying to do
His power of saving others doesn't kill others do you get it ?

thats not what irony means

That's at best a really weak example of irony

Irony would be if he killed himself while trying to save himself.

To me, something "being ironic" is the direct opposite of something being "fitting" or "appropriate" (in a cosmic or poetic sense).


Say that there was a fat man who was addicted to fast food. He goes to the doctor who tells him that fast food will kill him, and only fresh vegetables could save his life. As he walks out of the surgery, a crate full of big macs being loaded onto a truck gives way and crushes the fat man to death. This would be an example of something being "fitting". It was set up that fast food was going to kill him, and it did. Not in an expected sense, but in a poetic sense.

Now, if we change the story so that it was a crate full of fresh vegetables, that would be ironic. It was the least fitting possible outcome; to be killed by something that was set up as life saving; again, not in a direct sense, but a poetic sense.


You could call the tragedy of Darth Plegius "irony". He was known the abilty to keep people alive, but he died. This was the least fitting outcome to the story. Not the most poignant, clever or "cosmic" example of irony, though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

>event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case.

He seems to be able to save others, on the surface. And it is actually the case.
That does not mean at all that he has the power to save himself

>go to great lengths and gain tremendous power in order to keep the ones you love alive
>end up being killed for it

so not only was he permanently deprived of seeing those who he worked so hard to keep alive, but he couldnt even use all his hard earned power to keep himself alive

seems pretty ironic to me breh

So irony is subverting expectations? TLJ confirmed for most ironic SW movie

>He was known the abilty to keep people alive, but he died
Again, this is a terribly weak example of irony to the point that it's not worth calling irony. You may as well say that it's ironic every time a doctor or paramedic dies.

>Ironic, you jumpstarted the hearts of hundreds of dying individuals, saving them from death
>and now you got hit by a truck
>smug smile

that article lists multiple types of irony which this scene falls under, you just owned yourself

A cardiologist having a heart attack would be ironic.

He's not killed because of that at all though, he's killed because his apprentice is inevitably too ambitious. His death is essentially unrelated to his power to keep people alive.

take out one and get yourself counter argued then

It was ironic death because he had power to save others, but not himself. So if he is dead, he can't save others.

and? that doesnt change the fact that his death was ironic

>that doesnt change the fact that his death was ironic
Like I said, it's at best an incredibly weak example of irony. Not worth mentioning.

Acshuallly yes
happening in a way contrary to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this, is the exact definition. Which doesn't necessarily mean the exact opposite but just something contradicting that is somehow a "fitting" reaction, when seen as a bigger picture.
Though the word irony is also recently used as a pseudonym for a kind of absurdist way of acting and perception of reality, like sarcasm.

It doesn't have to be exact reverse. Having the power to save everyone but yourself is pretty much an ironic contrary because everyone would expect him to be able to do that, but the dark side especially sheev value selfishness, so maybe it's just ironic for him

>happening in a way contrary to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this, is the exact definition

its one of the definitions, irony has multiple meanings and applications, anyone who isnt an autist understands this

still ironic brah, you mad?

It's ironic because he can supposedly save everyone except himself. So it's not everyone.

Irony is like rain on your wedding day. Or a free ride when you already paid. Or the good advice you just wouldn't take.

None of these things are examples of irony
You're all so fucking stupid it hurts me

nope, maybe under very specific circumstances, and no

>It doesn't have to be exact reverse.

In order to define that correctly I pulled out this wiki page to gives us common ground
I stand by the fact that being able to save others doest not imply being able to save yourself what it's being stated apart so clearly, so please pull out something of the wiki page

Well I wrote that there are other meanings and the definition is pretty vague and broad.
Everyone who has reading comprehension would get that

This is ironic
>Be struggling to stay above water
>Someone throws you a lifesaver
>It knocks you out and you drown

This is not ironic
>doctor dies

Do you all understand this distinction? The lifesaver is supposed to save you, but ends up killing you. That's the ironic part. A doctor who saves people from death dying himself is not ironic, because his qualification as a doctor is not the cause of his death.

It stands on the wiki page that it's only contradicting, not an exact opposing reaction.
Just a contradicting reaction that is not expected yet also has an amusing and fitting cosmic twist to it.
Let's just say statements like "rain on the wedding day" is level one irony and shit like "the air tank killing a diver underwater" is a higher level.
It's simply absurdist reactions that are fitting, the term contradicting is pretty broad and vague

there's a relatively common phenomenon where someone stops smoking for whatever reason and then goes on to develop ibd. for some reason the smoking inhibits it, and quitting can actually have the net effect of worsening their health (depending on how severe the bowel disease is). i do not know if that's ironic but your post made me think of it

It's ironic on a cosmic non material level.
The doctor who saves all could not save himself, an ironic twist of fate

>He wants to save himself, and he's supposedly willing to cause harm upon others indiscriminately (being a Sith).
>He can save anybody, but himself.
That is ironic.
I get the impression that you think something needs to "backfire" in order to be ironic, but it doesn't. Irony isn't necessarily the immediate outcome of something you're actively trying to do. For example, a cardiologist dying of a heart attack IS ironic, because being a cardiologist should make you especially attentive and able to prevent a heart attack, and there are plenty of other ways to die.

Protip: your shitty headcanon and perdonal definition of words aren't universal.

>OP lacks sleep and therefore lowers his own IQ just to solve an intellectual question
Ironic

Alright I get it
Irony is always problematic because it's actually quite complex with a lot of gradation and subtlety between each levels

Oooh that would be a cross irony
That's good writing writing

But still something backfiring directly seems pure irony to me

The problem is that almost everything can be considered ironic if your put thought into it because of its varying levels of contradiction or reaction. It's basically just the absurdist tragicomedy of reality now.