>The Long Night "Taking place thousands of years before the events of Game of Thrones, the series chronicles the world's descent from the golden Age of Heroes into its darkest hour. And only one thing is for sure: from the horrifying secrets of Westeros's history to the true origin of the White Walkers, the mysteries of the East, to the Starks of legend...it's not the story we think we know." gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones:_The_Long_Night
>Emprie of Ash "This story centers on the decline and fall of Valyria, a colonial empire which ruled half of the known world at its height. It reveals the social, economic, and political crises which tore apart the empire from within. A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state. The central conflict that kicks off the series is, "what does it mean to be 'Valyrian', and who gets to share in that power and prestige?" gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Empire_of_Ash
This, they all sound promising (especially the Long Night and Empire of Ash), but expect them to be severely underfunded, terribly cast, poorly written and a shadow of the main series. They will be cash ins, milkings, basically.
Brody Flores
I’ll give them a chance as long as Dumb and Dumber have no part in it.
Juan Campbell
>No blackfyre anthology
Lucas White
Aegon's conquest is the only one I really wanna see.
Lucas James
>as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity
Yeah, real interesting. Really don't get why they aren't just doing roberts rebellion.
Aiden Gonzalez
>A major focus of this prequel is on diversity Dead on arrival
William Evans
No way they pay for the CGI to make a good DwD. They wouldnt even spring for Jon to pet his damn wolf.
Anthony Mitchell
Well yeah actually it would be if the tackled it in a really impartial, grey way and shed light on the inherent weaknesses and vulnerabilities to an ethnically/culturally divided realm.
But of course they won't do this.
Dominic Kelly
>On June 8, 2018, HBO put out a press release that it had ordered a pilot episode for the prequel pitch by Jane Goldman - with George R.R. Martin attached as a co-producer.
>the long night who cares when the main series made the white walkers look like a non threat
>Emprie of Ash >A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state >what does it mean to be 'Valyrian uuugh just kill jews and kill tv
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Diversity caused the fall of Rome and Valyria
Isaac Green
the targaryens are based off of the Persians
James Ortiz
why not start with adapting grrm's already existing work? at least bookfags would be interested then. i don't give a shit about the inner workings of valyria.
Aiden Sanchez
>Diversity caused the fall of Rome How to tell you dont about history by user
James Sullivan
>The one I am not supposed to call THE LONG NIGHT will be shooting later this year, and two other shows remain in the script stage, but are edging closer. What are they about? I cannot say. But maybe some of you should pick up a copy of FIRE & BLOOD and come up with your own theories.
>dance of the dragons >blackfyre rebellions you'd get a whole long ass series out of those.
>aegon's conquest >robert's rebellion less interesting but still fine
Jace Wilson
>A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state
>Really don't get why they aren't just doing roberts rebellion. Bobby and Stannis Baratheon shown in a good light doesn't make sense to HBO.
Noah Foster
I'd really like one that focused on Roberts Rebellion
Ryder Price
>Fire & Blood received mixed reviews from critics. Hugo Rifkind of The Times described it as "interminable, self-indulgent crap."Roisin O'Connor of The Independent faulted the book for its dry tone, and stated that reading it feels like "you've been assigned a mildly interesting, but often tedious, piece of homework". Publishers Weekly stated that "Martin’s evocative storytelling style and gift for gripping narrative are mostly absent from this dry history
Thomas Williams
The fall of Rome proves that there always must be a "White race." Modern Europeans call themselves white and think of themselves as the descendants of Rome and Greece. Likely Hispanics will become the next white race. The cycle continues
Christian Nelson
the people complaining about this stupid wolf cracks me up. we get it, your pet dog is your only friend
Parker Evans
dance of the dragons is pretty much confirmed then!
I guess they never read the world of ice and fire because fire&blood was very fucking interesting compared to that.
Xavier Gonzalez
I hope they fucking know that Valyria was happy with slaves and even sent them to horrible mines in volcanoes. This was basically an empire that had no problems sending people to their deaths.
Brody Ross
there's literally no reason for it, we already know what happened
Lincoln Mitchell
I feel like dragons would be a major watcher draw in though. the dragons are really only needed in battle scenes and there's plenty they can do inbetween
Colton Ramirez
any of those would be good if there is no cgi to pay to be honest, maybe they'll focus on the writing instead. Robert's Rebellion spin off would be ok I think. Any other would need dragons.
Grayson Cox
We get to see bobby cave some targ shits chests in
Zachary Roberts
Why? It is an one-sided steamroll and we know almost exactly what happens.
Ryan Hill
I didn’t think it was bad. Of course, I also loved The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales and I used to read college history textbooks for fun as a kid.
Ryder Walker
>The Long Night Cool, literally everything GoT is a criticism of. Ie. Heroes and villains ending in a way that's predictable >Emprie of Ash Nice, a chance for them to go on a political diatribe that relates to the modern day in nonsensial fashion instead of actually giving us a compelling show
Jonathan Morales
Valyria is basically Mordor if it was a republic.
Sebastian Cooper
Field of Fire nigga
Tyler Edwards
I feel like The Long Night is going to be a cringefest
>8,000 years in the past >it's still pretty much the same as medieval Europe
whats the point of the valyria one we know what happens, volcano kills everyone
William Thomas
because we all know what happens in robert's rebellion. if they go back thousands of years they can just make everything up since george's history is far from complete.
Kayden Allen
we know what happens in long night too. and in dance of the dragons. and robert's rebellion.
why adapt anything then.
Leo Myers
ok George
Nathaniel Hernandez
Not one mention of Dunk and Egg in this thread. What gives
Camden Reed
The Long Night could actually be somewhat interesting because we'll finally get to see fucking Yi Ti and the Five Forts. Empire of Ash sounds pozzed as fuck though, unless letting shitskins into Valyria causes the fall of Valyria, which will be based and redpilled.
Nathaniel Ross
Expensive CGI scene that would last 5 minutes at most, and with an obvious outcome even to people who have only heard about the CONCEPT of GoT.
Jace Butler
Is there anything in Fire & Blood that can't be found in the World of Ice & Fire or the companion app? Genuine question.
Zachary Kelly
Icespiders
Dylan Collins
Only the white Valyrians did that. The summerisland-valyrians were all good guys who were against slavery and sheeeit.
but in those the characters actions actually matter. does the politics and diversity in valyria affect the volcano? did someone set it off to kill the nonwhites?
Ian Nguyen
I think that the Faceless Men (the guild that Arya joined) probably caused the fall of Valyria. At least that's what's hinted at in the books. There is an interesting parallel between the Doom of Valyria & whatever magic the Children of the Forest used to break the arm of Dorne thousands of years ago.
Connor Bailey
yes. tons of interesting targ family intrigue. world of ice and fire was fucking boring to read compared to that
Jacob Nelson
>Valyria >multi-ethnic democratic state
Jack Sanchez
Yeah, there is a lot of Targaryen history that’s new. Also some of TWOIAF is flat out wrong. It said that the Sea Snake never went to Asshai, but in Fire and Blood he does go there.
Lucas Hill
The entire point of the setting is they never progress beyond Medieval Europe. Once they hit a certain level of technological advancement the AI running the dyson sphere dims the artificial sun at the center, begins "Winter", and sends it's nano-bot White Walkers to cull 95% of the human population so society collapses and the cycle begins anew.
They specifically said at the citadel their records and fragments from previous civilizations inicatre that civilization has utterly collapsed and been reset countless times. The cycle could have been going on like this for millions of years.
Why would I give a shit, we know that he did nothing for a few thousand years and then got stabbed by a little girl, why does it even matter what his true origin is?
Luis Garcia
Why do people think it was just volcanoes? The entire place is cursed. People go missing whenever they go there , the Targ's strongest dragon in their history went there and returned injured, its rider was infested with snake/worm creatures too. All the secrets of there magic was lost. There are a million questions unanswered for Valyria.
Brayden Watson
>Robert's Rebellion If the proper prequel isn't on this list I'm not interested
Carson Foster
so it's another one of george's sci fi story after all?
Grayson Powell
I think I'm going to be sick
Pre-history and Valyria are supposed to be these mysterious times. Even Martin agrees on this, he doesn't want you knowing shit.
WHY. ARE. THEY. SO. IN-SIS-TENT. ON. -RUI-NING. THIS. WORLD.
Valyria. The magical draconian Atlantis. Is fucking North America? Social justice? Holy shit. I am sick of HBO ruining everything they touch.
interesting. so what advancement caused the long night to happed this time?
Isaac Hall
> A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state
What the hell is this crap? Valyria was an expansionist slaving oligarchy, not fucking modern-day France.
Benjamin Green
I didn't know ancient westeros had sothoryos immigrants
Ian Thomas
It's probably going to be about more than just the WW and the NK, every population on the planet of Game of Thrones has its own mythology about the Long Night and what happened >The Rhoynar tell of a darkness that made the Rhoyne of Essos dwindle and disappear, her waters frozen as far south as the joining of the Selhoru, until a hero convinced the many children of Mother Rhoyne, such as the Crab King and the Old Man of the River, to put aside their bickering and join in a secret song that brought back the day >Other legends from the Further East, including Yi Ti, state the Blood Betrayal began the Long Night. The Lion of Night was unleashed upon the world after the Maiden-Made-of-Light turned her back on it. >According to a legend from Yi Ti, during the Long Night the sun hid its face for a lifetime, ashamed at something none could discover, and disaster was only averted by the deeds of a woman with a monkey's tail. >A great hero, known in different cultures as Azor Ahai, Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser, wielded the flaming sword Lightbringer and led humanity to victory. Some say the Five Forts were built by the Pearl Emperor to guard against the Lion of Night and his demons. TLN is probably going to be equally about those as the first Long Night in Westeros
Parker Cox
>the long night No, we don't. We only know that the Others show up. We don't even know if they were even really defeated considering the Night's King is still alive in aSoIaF.
>Dance We know what happens but show viewers don't, and the source material for it is good.
>Robert's Rebellion Would be shit and should not be adapted.
Luke Jackson
>Modern Europeans call themselves white and think of themselves as the descendants of Rome and Greece. perhaps in their understanding of the natural world, laws and the arts but not in genealogy. hell even greeks today dont share a genetic history with ancient greece
Easton Russell
>A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state. What the actual fuck is wrong with americans
Alexander Murphy
I hope they bomb, especially empire of soi
Andrew Diaz
I bet you think the Irish and Italians were legally not considered white also
Camden Hughes
>WHY. ARE. THEY. SO. IN-SIS-TENT. ON. -RUI-NING. THIS. WORLD.
IT'S ALREADY RUINED
DID YOU WATCH THE LAST THREE EPISODES? THE PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE MOUNTAIN SIR
Angel Miller
>Would be shit and should not be adapted
Why?
Henry Cooper
> Robert's Rebellion would be shit and should not be adapted.
It's best prequel idea they have imo. It's got the most scorce material and the writing would less likely be fucked up as bad as a Dance or Long Night would be, season 8 proves it.
Colton Brown
But with them it would be glorious!
The memes, the MEMES! Imagine it, user!
Nathaniel Hill
The Doom is the kino one. Its the destruction of KRypton with dragons.
Noah Miller
Post proof or shut up, I hate amateur genealogists like you who parrot every fun fact you heard on the internet
Cooper Diaz
Braviosi were working on early versions of steam power.
Tyler Robinson
s-source?
Oliver Turner
Obviously Eurons railgun, pay attention.
Ian Lewis
So literally MoS.
Angel Wright
proof of what?
Aaron Gomez
>A major focus of this prequel is on diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity - all within a multi-ethnic democratic state.
Cool. I love shows about diversity, as it deals with issues of immigration, naturalization, and cultural identity. They're my favorite
Henry Jackson
>all the obongos are ugly as hell
based
Benjamin Hill
Like that ever stopped them
Eli Wright
>Showrunner for Empire of Ash is Max Borenstein Might be tolerable, not amazing but potentially entertaining. Jane Goldman for The Long Night though makes me doubtful it'll be worth shit. Either way I don't feel like committing to anything GoT again.
Asher Kelly
>>the long night >No, we don't. We only know that the Others show up.
I strongly suspect D&D took some liberties with that stuff as well. In the past, GRRM has described the Others as being "inhuman" and like the Sidhe from mythology. Then we get this half-assed "The Walkers used to be human" thing in the show, no explanation for their motivations, and it's all BTFO by Arya so they NEVER have to explain it.
Robert Collins
>"what does it mean to be 'Valyrian' please be fucking bait, only white haired inbred dragon riders were valyrians the rest of the world was just slaves, only options for the ocnquered was to rebel and leave (faceless men and foundation of braavo) or simply flee and leave land behind (rhoynar migraton) even ancient romans had looser conditions of citizenship
> The White Walkers were gimps. The Starks were failures -- except for Nightcrawler, and Essos just plain sucks.
So, why watch?
Aaron Cox
Fuck tax policy. Audiences want to see shows about immigration law!
Ayden Williams
I just realized they nerfed the lore payoff of the WW so they could show it off in the spin off.
David Jones
tried to listen to an audiobook and it was hard to listen to if i had a hard copy it would probably fun to leaf through and read something that looked interesting at the time to kill a few minutes
Michael Sullivan
>Titty Monster >GURM I mean, I could get behind this.
This, they butchered GoT no one will want to watch them make the prequels even worse.
Samuel Barnes
Very likely. And also shows how stupid they are, because they completely killed any hype people previously had about the subject. The audience knows now that no matter how epic the characters/events in the prequel are, everything it's building up to will be resolved in the future by an invisible flying goblin.
Xavier Walker
Long Night might be a little bit good if they manage to foccus on the fantasy part instead of the political part, but yeah, the rest is going to either fail or not even be produced.
Noah Moore
Reading about it is interesting, but there's really nothing there to see. Aegon's Conquest could be a film, but not an entire series. Maybe a mini series?
Caleb Wilson
The audience will consume product and get excited for next product.
I wish they did a True Detective like series of GoT. That is the best way to tell as many stories as possible (Aegon's Conquest, Dance of the Dragons, Robert's Rebellion, stories of Yi Ti and Asshai) while not overstating their welcome.
Jordan Johnson
>I wish they did a True Detective like series of GoT.
I'm guessing they mean having it set-up like each season is a mini-series. Each season could tackle a different time period and major event in the lore with new actors, tell that specific story, and then fuck off.
Angel Miller
could it even call it The Songs of Ice and Fire
Dominic Young
how do the white walkers and winter do shit to Essos and the other continents?
Henry Hughes
>5 years after the Last War in Northos.. the land beyond Westeros, King Tormund and Queen Brienne of Littlecrow come into conflict with Khal Greyworm of Stormborn over what they see as sins of their former leaders. >As the Great Thaw brings natural disasters and untapped resources, as well as ancient and magical beings like the Children of the Forrest and the Cave Troll Tribe... their feud soon becomes a friendship as they face the mystery and adventure... North ™: A Game of Thrones Tale
Brandon Turner
Wight Krakens
Andrew Miller
>The Long Night As If White Walkers even mattered in tv-show any more.
>Emprie of Ash Really hope it's from ruling elite point of view, like Game of Thrones is meant to be.
