Just what the fuck did I just watch and what the fuck was Lynch thinking?
>slow start, hurried ending
>these saturday morning comic villain tier harkonnens
>too short introduction to Fremen
>Kynes dies offscreen
>windows movie maker transitions
> ...
some good things: Prochnow, stillsuit design, and fuck me Francesca Annis was such a fox for the first half of the movie. What did you think, Yea Forums?
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I love it even though it's bad.
Same. There will never be another movie like it.
>Oh shit I can't use my usual meme dream logic to get away with everything! Fuck!
that's what happened
Should've been at least 5 hours long which is why I'm excited for Penis Villeneuve's two parter
Lynch can do a straightforward movie just fine. Lynch can also do a book adaptation just fine, as Elephant Man has proven. The problem with Dune was simply him being out of his element while having the studio breathing down his neck.
This. It's a beautiful mess. There's lots to appreciate, mostly in the visuals and production design, even the execution is stiff and things got lost in adaptation.
I mean, I still kinda enjoyed it, and the first 40 minutes or so got me really pumped. But then it just went crazy.
yeah hopefully it'll be good. I just finished the first book and 2 hours seem way too short if you really want people to understand.
how did star wars look so good and dune looked like a b-movie from the 1960s? was the budget that low?
I don't think I'm ready for the kino we're about to receive.
Actually it was one of the most expensive movies ever made up to that point, if you can believe it. I think most of the budget went to stuff that we didn't even see in the theatrical cut. The model effects are generally great, but I think the optical effects were rushed to be completed at the last minute.
>if Lynch does a good book adaptation with a screenplay he didn't write he's obviously a genius but if he writes and directs a book adaptation that sucks then it's obviously the studio's fault
yeah the practical effects are good. the visual/computer effects are laughably bad though.
Now that you say it, i think it has to do with the scale of things. You have the sandcrawler and death star etc in star wars, but scenes with actors are always on a much smaller scale. The sandworm riding scenes combined both scales and it looked badly cut together.
Maybe Lynch has said this elsewhere, but I heard it from Russell Brand who is/was his friend:
If you do what you believe in and have a failure, that's one thing: you can still live with yourself. But if you don't, it's like dying twice.
He said that about Dune.
The studio probably wanted him to deliver a usable product as quickly as possible to make up for all the money they were throwing at the project, so it's conceivable that even if he wrote a poor script he didn't have the time to fix it in rewrites. Lynch doesn't rush anything unless there's a serious reason.
It's not like he's proud of it. Dune is his biggest personal shame.
>it's in production at this very moment
I can't believe it's actually really happening bros
People's whispering thoughts are so damn loud in this movie. I WILL BEND LIKE A REED IN THE WIND!! Like fucking christ just yell it at that point if your gonna think it so damn loudly.
>and fuck me Francesca Annis was such a fox for the first half of the movie
Amen brother. It dosen't matter who they cast in the role next, nobody will top her as Jessica.
Every director, unless they are self-funding, is under time constraints, user. There's nothing that suggests that Lynch was put under unfair expectations.
Right but my post isn't about how Lynch feels about it but rather how some faggot is trying explain away Lynch's responsibility of the shortcomings. Lynch could've intended it to be the greatest movie ever made but it came out shitty and Lynchfags need to accept that.
>ywn see Orson Wells as the Baron
AAAAAAAAAAAAA THE FREMEN SPICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CELEBRATED FOR ITS EXCELLENCE
It's common knowledge that the failure of Dune was because Lynch was forced to let the studio have final cut. What, you think it's a coincidence that he has a consistent record of making pure kino with one exception and in that exception he didnt have total control?
It's really not that bad. I'm also a massive Dunefag so don't even bother playing the BUT IN DA BOOK card. It could've been a lot worse, from both a filmmaking and adaptation perspective.
And ironically the only "official" extended version we ever got was a studio job with Alan Smithee at the helm.
What was the deal with the cat that the Harkonnen had, was it some kind of juice box?
>it's common knowledge
You mean it's a common excuse? There's no cut with all the footage in the world that redeems that movie because many problems existed on a fundamental level with the screenplay and directorial decisions.
>you think it's a coincidence that he has a consistent record of making pure kino with one exception
He didn't have total control in all of his productions EXCEPT Eraserhead. In fact he left cinema for that very reason in his own words. Lynch made mistakes. It's not the end of your cocksucking worldview, user.
You just watched a fucking kino you ungrateful piece of shit.
>it could've been worse
Truly the highest words of praise. It's a bad movie that most sane people don't subject themselves to more than once as reflected by its middling reviews and reception and by Lynch himself. Not the worst movie by any stretch but the category of "bad" has a very broad band.
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>it's bad
it never was the only idiots that think dune is bad are the same jackasses that watch capeshit
>only 5 million more than nothing but trouble
How do you explain Inland Empire, retard. Twin Peaks S3 almost didnt happen because Lynch was so uncompromising with the budget and the necessity of having final cut.
When I was reading Dune, I was thinking "If Fremen get their wish, and build a planet with a high quality of living, they will lose their toughness and their intelligence, and become fat and weak."
Anyone else? I haven't seen anyone else talk about that in previous Dune threads.
I never said the entire movie was bad, but it had flaws. As I said, still enjoyed it, but you cannot deny that some aspects were rushed or not fleshed out or simply bad production. Still, it gets me hyped for the upcoming adaption.
that's the second book
>Kynes dies offscreen
Kynes dies in the desert eaten by a sandworm and he dies thinking he made a big mistake by handing his people to a messiah .
Oh, I haven't read it. Thanks.
I thought about that too. But what if the jihad happens? They have more worlds to conquer and restore, so I guess their bloodthirst will hold on.
hopefully Ferguson will have the same, volumnois hair as Francesca Annis. God that was hot.
Lynch probably did the editing himself. He's kind of a hack who thinks he has wider range in talents than he does
He's good at these semi out of order stories filled with symbolism and nuance. Not really much of a craftsman though in regards to editing or cinematography
>chani is a nigger
dropped
>How do you explain Inland Empire, retard.
He financed the movie mostly by himself.
>Twin Peaks S3 almost didn't happen
If only...
Good point.
>hurried ending
Dude, the movie is 4 hours long, dont tell me you watched the shit cut
That's essentially what will happen, and also transforming Arrakis into a temperate world will end spice production and therefore destroy interstellar travel as it currently exists. Presumably it would mandate a return to machines and computers, but Herbert died before he got that far and his kid wrote some shitty fanfics so who knows.
Paul wanted to end dependence on spice though, right? But you're right: fucking over the Guild by eliminating spice would end the space travel that everyone is dependent on.
This is a truly kino cast
>these saturday morning comic villain tier harkonnens
just like the books then
Lynch is great at visuals. Most directors with a background in painting are.
Lynch was snorting a lot of coke at the time
>what the fuck was Lynch thinking?
thinking's never really been his thing, he brings to the table something else
>Fremen PESTS
Your opinion can officially be discarded.
Absolute kino intro.
In the film Paul wants to end spice production in order to prove the "he who controls the spice" thing. His endgame is not to destroy interstellar travel but to put the squeeze on the guild and the emperor to force them into conflict and subsequent resolution.
In the books I don't think he necessarily intended to kill all the sandworms by terraforming the planet but at the same time it wasn't well understood in the first few books that the worm lifecycle was integral to the production of spice. I haven't read them in a long time but I don't think that ending spice production from the galaxy was a desired endstate, it was just an unfortunate side effect of giving the Fremen the living world that was prophesied.
>He didn't have total control in all of his productions
Actually he did, except for Dune. He left the cinema because being stubborn in Hollywood will not get you financed.
I think Paul at one point critiques the Guild for becoming dependent on spice, and not having alternatives. Perhaps that suggests that other space travel methods are possible.
Other methods are possible, with computers. How do you think humans reached Arrakis in the first place? The only reason that spice is required for interstellar travel now is because of the machines/computers war which eliminated them, so the Spacer's Guild was created to fill that gap in interstellar transport.
book Baron was a bit more thoughful and schemey. film Baron is too impulsive. also what the fuck was that scene with the boy with the flowers??
giv irulan gf plz
Oh yeah.
it's objectively bad regardless of the fact that you'd pay money to suck david lynch's cock
It’s fucking so weird and so amazing
I mean, Toto did the soundtrack. Fucking TOTO! How can you not respect a movie like that.
It’s haunted me for years and I don’t really understand why. It’s a weird masterpiece of sorts
ASMR before its time
He can't keep getting away with it.
>There's no cut with all the footage in the world that redeems that movie
I've seen a fan-edited cut that adds in deleted scenes and rearranges or removes some other scenes. It comes out a lot better
Idk about the actor playing Paul. Anyone know what roles he's played before?
>stillsuits
I was kinda disappointed with the stillsuits tbch
I know actors don't want to cover up their face, but I always imagined the suits had proper cover for their face, to make sure they don't lose the water from sweat, which would in turn make the blue-in-blue eyes stand out more
>Lynch probably did the editing himself.
He didn't.
>when all your dialogue is only in the theatrical version intro
Need to watch the two Sci Fi Channel miniseries to get any characterization for her.
The book barely touches on her either desu
Ive only read the first though, but the impression i got is shes just a political tool for Paul who later writes a bunch of boring crap about him
That's true, but they kept the noseplugs and even mentioned the use of urin and feces. I thought this would seem to the audience as silly, especially since they barely touched the subject of water scarcity.
Spicediver edit turns it from a weird mess to a decent weird mess.
>especially since they barely touched the subject of water scarcity.
Yeah, I guess you're right
I might've gone into this movie wrong, reading the book before I saw the film, it really was a shame about the second half
Nevertheless, I enjoyed the visuals, so it was alright
pleb
the film is a sci fi masterpiece
he realized he was in over his head and rushed to finish it and move on with his life
I can understand not having the faces covered in the film even though they should be. I'm mostly impressed with their dedication to the nose plugs, which are the kind of thing you'd expect to see used once and then forgotten. Instead they dutifully put them in every time they go outside, main characters included, which is excellent attention to detail.
In spite of studio meddling Dune is still a crazy masterpiece.
This. I even unironically like the inner monologues.
>with a screenplay he didn't write
Why lie?
Btw, I made this webm after seeing the movie, since I thought the screens looked so ridiculous
Not because of the effects, the effects looked fine, moreso for his vision of what a screen looked like
I was very far from my idea, what do you guys think?
Am I the only one who loves the wonky special effects used for the shields?
>Francesca Annis was such a fox for the first half of the movie
TFW you look her up and she is 73 now. I think Dune was the first movie I ever saw in the cinema. My father and my older brother dragged me along. I was ten at the time, I still rememeber nearly throwing up when the pictures of that embryo popped up.
"Have you noticed, Stil, how beautiful the young women are this year?"
Fucking love the writing in that chapter.
I just reread the book last week, and yeah the movie is an extremely horrific adaptation. I love the soundtrack, I love some of the actors, but other than that, it's a mess.
yeah, but which version did you watch?
Its silly and campy and reminded me of Excalibur (Patrick was in both). And I love it.
Wrong.
>Lynch was in the process of writing the sequel script to Dune, but the box office failure of the first film killed the project. From the Inner Views Lynch interview, "...I was really getting into Dune II. I wrote about half the script, maybe more, and I was really getting excited about it. It was much tighter, a better story."
>>what the fuck was that scene with the boy with the flowers??
That was to show how much of a gay pederast the Baron was. That, and him drooling over Steamed Feyd. In the book, it was more explicit, and they even tried to assassinate the Baron with a poisoned needle in a young boy's thigh.
Spicediver's fanedit is the way to go.
as I said before, it really catches some of the atmosphere in the book just right, see just looked into it for a few minutes, saw they had the knifefight with jamis. Thanks for the rec!
disliked it at first, but got me when he slowly shoved the knife through the shield.
i still thought think it was wonderful. It's missing an incredible amount from the books and I didn't like what they did with the weirding modules or the completely opposite ending, but visually and musically its soo beautiful. Acting is great, even with the internal dialogue that the company tried to sandbag.
Oh god, for a moment I thought they got David Hogg to play Paul Atreides
I read it too. Still, why killing the lad, in front of everyone? That seemed wasteful.
the one where lynch actually is credited. I'll have to rewatch the spicediver edit.
I watched in the theater when it came out. quite the experience. really got the creeps when they moved to Arrakis and the assassination attempts started. Agree the ending was a bit rushed. Think they did a 7/10 job but fantasy sci-fi is a bitch to make, expensive and hard to storytell when there is a whole lot of odd groups doing weird things
>10/10
Piter, Gurney, Baron, Gaius Mohiam, Stilgar
>9/10
Paul, Yueh
>7/10
Jessica, Leto, Rabban
6/10
Chani
>huh?
Duncan
What I'm curious about is why they prioritized the casting of Duncan before Thufir, and with such a high profile actor at that. Duncan is practically nobody in the first book, Thufir is much more important, arguably comparable to Stilgar in importance.
Also, Atreides house color was primarily green as far as I can remember.
What would be your pick for Feyd and Thufir?
You must understand that the Harkonnens are sworn enemies of the atreides, with a multigenerational hate boner for each other going back thousands of years. The current baron is a depraved motherfucker that took his family from a very weak house to a very powerful house with very questionable ethics. He twisted up his nephews with his upbringing. Kynes death in the books is kino his hallucinatin his fathers words as a premass spice blow forms under him.
I kinda wish we had gotten the 12 hour movie with Dalí and all that. Lynch has a monster of a project and executive meddling fucked up. But it was decent, makes me hopeful for the new movie but I don’t know if dune truly can be filmed and given justice.
Adding to this, the film also had some really incredible set design.
>>Still, why killing the lad, in front of everyone? That seemed wasteful
It, along with the skin diseases that weren't in the book, are shortcuts for the filmmakers to quickly establish that this character is nasty, gluttonous, murderous, dirty, etc. That one scene establishes how evil and perverse the Harkonnens are.
I read the book a few months ago and I'm interested in watching this kino but I read there are different versions of it. Which one is the superior?
read the thread
>It’s haunted me for years and I don’t really understand why
yeah it is unlike anything else I can think of. It's truly a one of its kind movie.
>with a multigenerational hate boner for each other going back thousands of years
And yet they would have married bene gesserit femPaul to her cousin just fine.
>LYNCHED
I don't know why they wasted Sydow so. Pauls ascension to Muad'Dib makes way more sense if you know that Kynes kind of ushered in this new dawn for the Fremen.
I liked the Duncan they used in Lynch's film. He got a nice scene.
James Woods as Thufir lol
>I wrote about half the script, maybe more, and I was really getting excited about it. It was much tighter, a better story.
Imagine getting to see Dune II in our lifetimes, lads.
Where can I find this spicediver edit?Piratebay has nothing, googling just gave me a trailer on vimeo. Do you mean the shitty 480p version on youtube?
This is like watching japanese porn
Came to the thread to remind everyone to watch this. Its really the only way to watch Dune at this point.
I love Dune, period. Great book, great computer game.
Dune II was good too, one of the forerunners of the modern RTS genre.
Keep searching. It has to be somewhere.
Why are stillsuits black? Wouldn't they absorb more heat that way?
Thepiratebay has both versions.
Terrible cast in every way. But then I can barely think of more than a couple of roles I'd replace because modern actors are so fucking bad
Also you can’t forget the bene gesserits missionaro protectivia and their seeding the messiah myths. But yeah what a waste
don't blame Lynch, blame all the faggot studios/producers that refused to allow Jodorowsky to make his fucking Dune movie.
The bene gesserit keep their breeding records a tight lipped secret. Jessica being the barons daughter was known only by the few BG. Paul’s revelation shocked Jessica to her core
Stilgar is crucial. How you rate thufir higher is mind boggling
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It doubt it will get a sequel
>in the book
In Dune you mean, not its sequels? I don't remember anything about him being a pederast at all in that book. Even in the long scenes we get with him.
not him but it is mentioned several times. He always thinks of boys' "lovely bodies". And Feyd tried to assassinate him through a prepared boy.
It's a pretty awful adaption from a story standpoint, but as far as I'm concerned it's musically and aesthetically definitive for Dune and I doubt Arrival man can top it.
Herbert does not even mention heat that often in the book, if i recall correctly. The absence of moisture is the much bigger problem. So maybe the stillsuits' color is not that important.
This is Dune. Nothing else will ever top it.
They already confirmed two are being made
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>Chani
She has a bigger role in messiah.
>paul didn't tap that
Was he a fag?
at least in the first book Baron Harkonnen and his nephew do look like comic-tier villains
>baron is an evil, cold, fat pedophile who rules by fear
>feyd ratha cheats on the arena and wants to backstab his uncle
I'm STILL mad that Chani is being played by that meme woman.
I thought at first that I would not like Sean Young as Chani because she did not appear so tough in trailers but it was not that bad. I think Zendaya could do a decent job tho.
Mini series were better.
DUNE is the best worst film ever made.
Faithful to the original story ≠ better