Avengers Endgame

It’s sad how they glossed over the whole time travel science.

this is a part of american culture
get over it

i'd also make some kids disappear to get with these tits

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Nope. He traveled back to the original timeline using the handheld device as an old man. He was just chilling off to the sidelines. Any other explanation undoes the causality science the movie establishes. It’s just a poor stylistic choice by the directors.

because there is no actual science its all hypothetical and impossible

More like he father's them, and always did

How is is possible to completely misunderstand simplistic time travel in capeshit?
In the main timeline those still exist.
In the other timeline where he grew old they never had the opportunity to be born because he changed the course of events.

hand me the pym particles

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thank you for the truth mr Titor, only you could know such things

Narrator: “They weren’t.”

>Titor
BASED Art Bell reference

HHHNNNNNNNGGGG

is agent carter any good?

It actually is. It's the only good Marvel TV Show.

Tits so powerful they they call to Steve through time and space and cause him to alter reality just to be with them. She's as bad as Thanos.

Schrodinger's Peggy: one gets titfucked by Cap and the other by some unknown guy. In both realities, there's a frozen Cap getting cucked.

Is alt reality Cap still in the ice?

>Is alt reality Cap still in the ice?
No, our Cap revives him early and they share Peggy.

Cap went to different timeline not that one
This movie created two new timelines or 3 but 2 for sure

1. Young Thanos dies = His real timeline offshoots
2. Cap goes back = New timeline, for all we know he saved bucky and stopped 9/11

3. Loki gets the tesseract (possibly new timeline or could be one of the other 2)

wait, doesn't that mean that sharon is his own niece?

... nice!

Or dead thanos timeline is better explained as a timeline where IW and Endgame never happened so we have a timeline thats still Post Civil War status

How does old Cap end up back in the main timeline?
That doesn't make any sense given what we were told earlier in the film about how time travel works.

You think he ever explained to his grandkids why there won't be a body to bury?

Peggy and Cap were a fling, he became an incel who checked her Facebook in his free time until she died

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>snap could've completely undone everything, set everything back to how it was five years ago
>instead only the snapped come back
>billions who died in the aftermath of the snap in plane crashes, suicides, global unrest etc remain dead
>all because of Tony and his stupid kid

Tony Stark wasn't a hero

>How does old Cap end up back in the main timeline?
The Russos didn't say how, just that that he did (in recent interviews). Presumably he'd just use a time machine from the alternate timeline and used his GPS to get back.

He travelled back in time from the other timeline he lived in.
No.

Morgan is a cutie.

But wouldn't he have materialized on the transport pad?

i wish i had a titty monster, instead of just a regular monster

Maybe he had a transport pad on his end.

>its sad how they glossed over all the made up bullshit.

based man of science

He should have but the Russos probably didn't do it for muh dramatic moment.

Nice try FBI

Just saw it, my dad dragged me to see it it was okay and I'm glad to spend time with him
I have a few question desu
>does timetravel basically has no consequences? I really don't get their justification for the fact that there are no time paradoxes
>why didn't they went back in time to gather a shitload of pym particle before going back in time to take the stones, it would have allowed them to make mistake, they didn't lacked time at all as Thanos was already dead
>who was that lone kid behind the Black Panther crew during Stark burial, no idea who it's even supposed to be

I figured it out.... he used the Time Stone.

Based Cap. I would do the same

but it's not an alternate timeline as he is there in the movie timeline, as he gives the shield to black dude.
I figure that their explanation is that time paradoxes are not real, otherwise Nebula would have disapeared if she killed her past self and that the whole film wouldn't have happened as soon as past thanos died

It is confirmed by Joe Russo that he went to alternate reality.

>Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?
>A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

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“I’d skull fuck every child in the universe to get back to them limey jugs”. - Captain America circa 2019

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can't erase something that never existed

>who was that lone kid behind the Black Panther crew during Stark burial, no idea who it's even supposed to be

The kid from IM3

>Expecting corporate psychopaths to understand heroism and nobility

And Thor murdered Thanos in a fit of rage.

Unless he used the time stone, like Thanos did at the end of infinity war. Wanda remembered killing Vision, he didn’t create an alternate timeline

>went to an alternate reality
>goes back to the original reality without a machine
The actual blueberry fuck?

They have the time GPS devices you absolute brainlet

They only appear in the machine once they return, you massive cocksucking faggot

Also cap didn't have the watch in his hand in the last scene when he gives the shield to Sam

Captain America is a monster and he had no reason to-

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He ran away from the machine so they didn't see him appear, he also removed the watch, you incel.

I just assumed he used the time stone in a limited space or something when he did that. Like just reversing time in the small pocket of space where Vision died. Everything else was still in the present surrounding him.

Yeah, fuck those kids. Give me a luger and I'll take care of them myself, Hiel Hydra!

They really should have just made him reappear on the platform. The way they did it is so confusing compared to the rest of the movie.

Just saw it.
The CGI at the funeral scene was awful.

In the background Brie Larson was literally sliding on the stairs... People's feet not touching the grass and a gigantic editing glitch in the middle of the screen.

That was so embarrassing I almost left the theater.

Sam: how long is it gonna take him?
Hulk: for him? as long as he needs, for us 5 seconds

Cap didnt use his return trip till he was already old. how is this so hard to understand? You guys are looking too much into Cap being on the bench. That was only to make the scene more dramatic. which admittedly just made it confusing.

He didn't.

Like the other guy said, you can't erase what never existed. :)

The writers, literally 24 hours after this Q&A with the directors, said in an interview it's not an alternate reality and it's all one timeline and cap goes back and marries peggy while he's frozen in the ice.

They're adopted/ her neighbors' kids/ nieces & nephews/ whatever.

Brainlet here.
I don't understand what was meant by putting the stones back where they belong. Like how did cap know where which stone belongs? How did he put the soulstone back too while we're at it. It's in fucking space?

Those kids are fucking dead.

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Does anyone have that tweet of "Captain America is selfish? Nigga just look at her" with pics of the big titted Peggy?

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not sure if completely trolling or just trolling a little but they were actually all there and the only CGI was hulk and rocket.

>does timetravel basically has no consequences? I really don't get their justification for the fact that there are no time paradoxes
Altering the past creates branching timelines, which they mostly tried to avoid by putting the stones exactly back where/when they were retrieved
Only branching timeline I think wasn't addressed is that Loki got away with the tesseract, though I think that's the setup for the Loki TV show. In the current timeline, Loki is gone.

They always return to the platform, always. Is the point of origin, to where the watch sends you back fucking Tony says it. If he didn't appear there is that he didn't travel to an alternate reality.

So captain made out with his niece? They literally have a whole scene where they talk about time travel not working the way it does in back to the future and other movies, Yet you guys are still holding on to that method of time traveling.

That was from Christopher Markus and from listening to his interviews, it seems like he really doesn't understand the time travel rules they were using. I guess we'll just have to wait for the official canon but if they were using multiverse time travel rules, what he's saying doesn't make any sense.

Offscreen, he did. Before young Cap steps on the pad.

>So captain made out with his niece?

Technically he kissed her once, not knowing they were related, which is better than Luke kissing his sister and Jon regularly fucking his aunt.

>So captain made out with his niece?
She's Peggy's niece, not his

>>>does timetravel basically has no consequences? I really don't get their justification for the fact that there are no time paradoxes
Going back in time does not change your own past but instead splits the timeline.
The only consequences are what you leave behind, such as Loki fleeing, Tony giving his father pointers or Cap going back to Peggy to live with her in a different timeline
>>why didn't they went back in time to gather a shitload of pym particle before going back in time to take the stones, it would have allowed them to make mistake, they didn't lacked time at all as Thanos was already dead
They kinda did when they go to 1970 but taking too much would probably cause issues with that timeline. Everythin taken can be returned if its not used but it is truly taken.
Thus while you can bring back as much as you want,, in other timeline the lack will be felt and you cannot dupe it infinitely.

>does timetravel basically has no consequences? I really don't get their justification for the fact that there are no time paradoxes
They went with multiverse time travel rules specifically to avoid paradoxes. They still had to return the stones and Mjolnir out of "obligation" but some of the changes they made in those timelines are irreparable.

No.

1. Go back from Timeline 1 to the past
2. Alter shit, creating Timeline 2
3. Live and get old in Timeline 2 while playing with Peggy's massive Britbaps
4. Don't have to worry about Timeline 2 Cap as he's in the ice anyway
5. Peggy dies
6. Trigger return device to bounce you back into Timeline 1.
7. Die in Timeline 1.

Instead of returning in seconds, he decided to wait a few decades before doing it.

So this is even worse. they fucked up so badly that an actual scene they filmed looks like it's all CGI and fake
I mean I'm not the only one who noticed that right?

It doesn't have to be science to have logical consistency. The Russos either always intended it to be an alt-Steve we see as an old man at the end, or they realized their own fuckup after the fact and glossed over it in their Q&A. I'm inclined to think it's the latter considering how their retarded asses went ahead and broke multiversal time travel anyway by making it possible (and retardedly easy) to return to a divergent timeline after you leave it.

They also clearly didn't realize the implications of the "rules" they established with their lazy bullshit, because they make it possible to dupe infinite copies of anything into existence without breaking anything. Here's an example:

Feel bad about Tony dying? Well it's going to make you feel even worse knowing that none of his "genius" buddies think about just "borrowing" him from the past. Once he's in your present, all you have to do is hang out with him for any arbitrary length of time, then travel back to your previous arrival, and bring that Tony forward to your new "present." Now you have two Tonys. You can repeat this process indefinitely. And once you've got your "copy," you can return the original to his timeline "before the world notices."

Now realize that you can do this with literally anyone or anything. People upset over Cap handing the shield off to Falcon instead of Bucky should be asking why, with time-duping possible, he didn't just have a shield for each of them.

Yeah until he's unfrozen. At that point Old Cap probably just avoids him. Likely even his conversation with deathbed Peggy goes the same way since she doesn't mention who her husband is

Because they should have called it for what it is - alternative timeline, not time travel.

He used the space stone to get there, or a shrunken spaceship in his pocket. He traded the soul stone for Natasha and banged her hard while Red Skull watched.

None of the families of those dead bitches stepped up to unsnap reality. Tony did, Tony gets to make the rules

Fuck those dead chumps

>future nebula kills past nebula
>”it’s one timeline”

herp derpy derp derp

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Well if you saw real people "sliding" and "glitching" there's maybe something wrong with you.

>Cap goes to past and stays there till he reencounters his friends years later
>"It's different timelines!"

Gonna tell you a secret, in reality it works like this:writers are retarded like in 99% of movies with time travel, DBZ did it better than Disney

Look, it's not rocket science

>Steve Rogers becomes Captain America
>He beats the Red Skull and goes into the ice
>He gets woken up in 2012
>He joins the Avengers
>Makes it through the snap
>Reverses the snap
>Goes back in time to the day he went into the ice
>Marries Peggy and lives happily while his previous self is frozen
>Watches on the news as Captain America is found under the ice 60 years later
>Wears a disguise and stays out of sight while previous self meets old Peggy
>Waits till the events of Endgame play out
>Walks to the park where he knows they are sending him back, sits on the bench and waits for someone to notice him

It works. And this way he doesn't fuck over some alternate Steve by stealing his life and leaving him frozen. He WAS that Steve. He didn't steal anything.

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What if it's multiple timelines for everything else and a stable time loop for Cap and Peggy? I'm not saying it is but can't that work?

That does not work.
Taking him from a timeline splits that timeline and he is therefore missing in one, present in the other you brought him to.
You can create an infinite amount of timelines but you are still taking him away in some to bring him elsewhere.
How you retarded ass does not undestand that I will never know.
But they can only travel backwards then return to a set point automatically after their departure to preserve causality and remain in their timeline.
Its time travel with no limit so long as they have Pym particles to the past, never the future.
Its that simple.

in reality people are retarded into thinking time travel still works like back to the future when they clearly said it doesnt work that way

>what if it's magic and basically follows no logic, including that explained in the movie, and changes whenever the writers want?
That's actually what happened

You forget the part where he turns a blind eye to the Kennedy Assassination, Vietnam, Iraq and 9/11

>Ablobloblo Tony and Nat are dead
Why? srly, why? travel back to literally seconds they try to kill themselves, grab them, go back to present. Problem solved.

Those things already happened. It's the same timeline.

interfering with those could cause even more drastic consequences

>turns a blind eye
He did not, he actually worked for those events to happen

Its never stated in the movie that he did nothing while in the other timeline.
It is in fact very likely that he choose to help in that one for as long as he could.
And then the younger him takes the wheel while he is old. Still a dick move towards the other Steve but could be worse.

Not related by blood. Play ball.

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>Kills Thanos and Nebula, beings who's actions altered the entire fucking universe
>Nothing happens
>But 9/11? don't dare changing that

If you do that you create
>Timeline One: A world where the Avengers never finish collecting the stones because they never get the soulstone and Thanos wins
>Timeline Two: A world where Tony Stark never sacrifices himself to reverse the snap and Thanos wins and destroys the entire universe

Why didn’t Thanos tell everyone that the reason he wiped out half the universe had nothing to do with resources but because planets with too large a population will attract Galactus to eat them?

that means that Thano's snap timelines still exists somewhere so what's the fucking point?

That isn't how it works irl. I went back to 1981 to buy some Star Wars figures, but I bought them at the same store as young me got them at. So when I got back to 2041, I find out that I never got the Star Wars figures I originally had (since older me bought the ones younger me would have). I got shitty Buck Rogers figures instead, and it had a ripple effect and everything was all fucked up. So I had to go back again and stop my slightly younger self, but I totally freaked me out and made it worse. Now I'm here because I missed shitposting. You think you're here forever, but 4channel doesn't exist in the 2041 I came from.

Why are you laughing? this is a serious matter, he has to work for everything to happen as it happened in our history, any deviation would change the future. So be fucking sure he did everything in his hand for those events to happen

fap fap fap

o...oh... my

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Nevermind I figured it out, it was because of the 3D. They handled 3D conversion pretty badly in that particular scene. Believe me it was awful

>scenes telling you time travel doesnt work like BTTF
>Clearly tell you its different timelines
>Nebula kills herself and nothing happens
>kill past thanos which should have undone all the past 5 years

HURR DURRR GUYS SAME TIMELINE AND DIFFERENT RULES JUST FOR THIS SPECIAL OCCASION

how fucking dense are you fucktards.

>had nothing to do with resources
More resources = more population = more hungry Galactus. That’s why he couldn’t make more resources, he’d doom worlds as those worlds would be more likely to attract Galactus. Also, Galactus isn’t as well-known in the MCU so people will be even less likely to trust Thanos’ plan, that they’d need to cull people to lessen the chances of their civilization being eaten by a world-devouring giant fuck from the previous universe, so he came up with the resource thing. Best case, he convinces some people to help him instead of opposing him. Worst case, they think him insane on a logical basis and not a OH FUCK GALACTUS degree of paranoid insanity.

It happened. But it was undone
Were you paying attention at all?

>not going to the timelike in where Thanos 2014 is dead and you don't need Nat to sacrifice nor Tony to snap Thanos out
...BOOM, done

Also, as explained in the movie, you don't create timelines by changing shit, you create them by removing gems from the time flow, you're moving people, not gems, so no new timelines

Hulk did the un-snap, dummy.

Cap removes him from the ice but keeps him frozen at the foot of the bed so he has to watch while his double slides his dirty dick into “his” best girl.

what's the deal with 3d conversions any way? is filming in 3d that much harder?

how can it be undone? by changing things you were creating a new timeline right? they say so themselves.

and consider tony asked him to keep everything the way it was, just bring back the snapped, then they must've changed the timeline.

the more i think about it the less sense it makes lol

The digits confirm. Thanos was protecting everyone from Galactus.

Yeah, and no one ever goes looking for him. The end.

>Taking him from a timeline splits that timeline and he is therefore missing in one, present in the other you brought him to.
So now theres a timeline with 2 tonys and one with 0 tonys, yes.

It's funny to me picturing Captain America sitting in a park bench, watching the towers fall down, with a satisfaction look on his face that it was all worth it for those milkers.

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>Also, as explained in the movie, you don't create timelines by changing shit, you create them by removing gems from the time flow, you're moving people, not gems, so no new timelines

That's not true. Otherwise, Cap didn't need to return Mjolnir.

If you can put an object back "before the world notices," you can put a person back, too. Since you're creating surplus copies, no one is missing a thing. At worst, the divergent timelines are places where you brought a copy forward and those where you did not. Here, I'll do the math for you:

Timeline 0: No Tony
Timeline 1: Borrowed Tony(1)
Timeline 2: Copied Tony(1), Borrowed Tony(1)
Timeline 3: Copied Tonys(3), Borrowed Tony(1)

Now you have a Tony you can return to to each timeline, keeping one for your present. Everybody gets a Tony through the magic of geometric progression. At worst, all you've done is create timelines with no surplus Tonys, because you only returned one to each timeline.

Refute that.

Reee more nay sayer

There is one timeline Thanos does not exist in anymore.
Any timeline that is unchanged will have events happen the exact same way its shown to happen in the movies. That goes for possibly them going to Asgard in 2013, perhaps. And maybe 1970 since that is a long time before and the changes are fairly limited.
In any other timeline who knows. In the one cap lived in, its possible he ensured people like Thor and Captain Marvel stopped Thanos before he could gather the stones.
At worst its a setup for other timelines branching into the main one anyways.

For every time you go back you split. You are not creating surplus copies you are taking them away from a timeline.
Thus the one you pick up leavs a hole behind.

>Cap marries peg in the '40s
>fucks her daily
>young cap unfrozen
>old Cap gives him a basic gestalt
>old Cap says he has to leave and tells young Cap it is now his responsibility to give old Peggy her daily dose of supersoldier dickings until dementia sets in

That's a completely different Tony who has lived a completely different life for almost a decade and would immediately refuse to go with you since you would be taking him away from his family and the people he loves to replace a Tony in a reality where a bunch of really awful stuff happened that would sound like a nightmare rather than his idyllic world where Infinity War and Endgame never happened at all.

The only tv character that made it in Endgame. Do AoS fans still think their show is canon?

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And the "rules" they established allowed the original to return where he came from, because the Russos are lazy retards who couldn't be assed to write a better story, one more inline with the source material.

Sounds great until you are the Tony who is going to be returned to die so the timeline doesn't get changed. At that point it breaks down.

They didn't go back to the past to undo the snap, though. Going back in time and making the snap never happen at all would have created a paradox like you think
But they undid it; reversed it with a new action. That doesn't create a paradox

Say you got in a car crash and your car was totaled. Say you really desperately want your car back.
Going back in time and stopping the crash from ever happening would create a split timeline.
Rather, using the stones to snap everyone back to reality is the equivalent of using tools/a mechanic and fixing the car. No paradox.

They COULD have gone back and stopped the snap from happening, it just wouldn't have helped their reality.

Citation needed. No way all those schedules lined up

The Hulk used the magic rocks to bring the snapped people back. Did you fall asleep? To the snapped people, they woke up like nothing happened but for everyone else, 5 years passed.

How do you know?

Exactly. It just would have created a branching timeline where the snap didn't happen.
Some people seem to think that Tony using the iron gauntlet to snap everyone back to reality somehow creates a paradox and doesn't help their reality, or leaves a reality wherein the snap still happened and was never fixed

If one 5 year old twin brother got snapped, and one didn't, the surviving one is 10 when Hulk snaps his brother back into existence, who is still 5.

If we were following the rules established by forty years of comics, you'd be correct. We're not. They state in no uncertain terms that you can return to divergent timelines and replace things you've borrowed. It's retarded as fuck and defies all logic, but that's the story these lazy fucks wrote.

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why didn't tony use the stones to heal himself? or why didn't the avengers do it for him?

>Do AoS fans still think their show is canon?
I hate that show but to be fair, Nick Fury has been featured in it.

The timeline hadn't diverged yet, you donut
They're returning the stones back to the exact moment they removed them in the first place. How can there be a diverging timeline if, from the original timeline's perspective, the stones never left in the first place?
(Only exception being Loki getting away with the tesseract; that creates a diverging timeline.)

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All they had to do to bring dead Tony back was have Hulk use the time stone to rewind time for ONLY TONY, like Thanos used it to re-alive ONLY VISION. Take the other stones out of the gauntlet so Hulk doesn't get injured again.

MCU TIME TRAVEL: A PRIMER FOR RETARDS
They can only travel backwards, a far as they want so long as they have the Pym Particles.
Travelling back in time does not change the past.
The pad is only the way they return to their timeline while traveling, you don't need a pad when traveling back in time which is how Cap got back to drop the shield.
Copying shit does not work because you are taking things away and splitting the timeline precisely because you cannot change your own future.
It is not possible to change the future of any timeline, traveling back in any timeline will only create a split timeline.
Taking something from a timeline means you create a new timeline where this does not exist anymore, and you can only bring the original back. Any copy is just bringing something back from another timeline, with a new one created in its wake.
The infinity stones are the manifestation of the laws of the universe, they only serve to ensure any timeline does not collapse.
The main timeline does not collapse because the stones were reduced to atoms and thus made unusable. They still fulfill their function.
And with that fuck you retards I'm out of here.

They could have got the Hulk to use the gauntlet to heal him back to perfect health right there.

What the writers would probably say is that reversing time to heal him would reverse the snap and bring Thanos back to life, which is bullshit but they have to say something.

The actual truth is RDJ didn't want to do these movies anymore, compounded with the fact that he held out for the biggest paycheck in history to make IW/Endgame so they were furious at him. So both parties wanted Tony Stark dead so they had to write it that way.

ADDENDUM:
Cannot rewrite time when creating two time stones in the same place, rewinding time brings things back to their previous state. Which in this case means having Tony with the stones while having the Stones. Not possible.

>Copying shit does not work because you are taking things away and splitting the timeline precisely because you cannot change your own future

>Watches as Cap hands new repaired not hacked apart shield to Falcon

wonder what the logistics of that were. like, did they "snapped back" in the exact place/time/position they were snapped? What if they were in an airplane in the middle of the ocean? Now there's no airplane and they are in mid air lol. Same for spiderman and the rest of them in titan (or whatever).

I said rewind time for ONLY TONY (not what he's wearing on his arm).

they did end up placing that stones back right? that's when cap stays in the past?

What about the hole torn through the multiverse in the Spidey 2 trailer?

I’m dying of laughter.

Yes, Cap put the stones back where they originally took them from.

Might be Mysterio bullshiting.

Mysterio is a liar. He fooled Fury and he fooled YOU. He's not from another reality, he's just a conman.

1) That presupposes he's not free to alter his actions. They *could* just tell Captain Plug-in to snap past-Thanos out of existence instead of trying to get it to the van. Barring that, it's an "infinite hotel" scenario where that timeline just repeats the whole time-dupe process. Barring that, you follow the math laid out below and just reconcile yourself to the fact that you could theoretically send infinite Tonys back to that timeline you originally borrowed him from.

I stopped my iterations at 3, creating 3 dupes, but if you take it to 4, you get 7 dupes, which is now comfortably creating Tonys in excess of the timelines the process is creating.

Timeline 0: No Tony
Timeline 1: Borrowed Tony
Timeline 2: Borrowed Tony + Copy
Timeline 3: Borrowed + 3 Copies
Timeline 4: Borrowed + 7 Copies

Stopping here, you could send three Tonys back to the timeline you originally borrowed him from. It's like that old Michael Keaton movie, "Multiplicity." You could give them work-Tony, home-Tony, and fuck-off-Tony, all free of repercussions because the Russos are lazy hacks.

>hole torn in the multiverse
In any other instance, I would accept the multiverse thing Nick Fury says at face value
But because it's Mysterio, a dude known for deception, I'm skeptical

>Nebula literally kills herself in the past.

It’s not one timeline.

She killed her past self which creates an alternate timeline wherein Nebula is gone. Probably the same timeline that Thanos and Gamora are now gone from
It doesn't change the future/present. Cmon, dude. Hulk explained this like three times

It still breaks down when you have to send the Tony to die and he doesn't want to die.

Why should he go to your shitty timeline, get copied, and then from his pov agree to be murdered in order to preserve the chain of events. It doesn't matter if make a thousand copies, from the perspective of the one who has to die it's still no deal.

Caps actions don't change anything, thus it can be one timeline with no problems. He literally doesn't change anything that happened, he goes back the day he was frozen, marries Peggy, lives quietly and happily for 60 years, stays out of sight, then goes and sits on that bench. He doesn't change anything. Peggy's kids always were his kids, Peggy's husband was always him. He always does go into the ice. He always does go back in time and marry peggy. He always does go and sit on that bench. It's a closed loop.

Right. I’m saying Cap can not travel to out own past and alter events. There’s no “oh it was Cap all along” thing to Peggy’s husband.

That's my point! If you can return things "before they diverge," you can do the same with literally anything. The only difference is that you're returning a person instead of an object.

Also, think about the absolute idiocy you're swallowing with their assertion that a divergence you create in the past "hasn't had time to diverge yet." Divergences aren't "waiting to happen," else they're not divergences. They've *already* happened the instant you arrive. That is no longer your past. If it were, we'd have already seen Cap fighting himself in the first Avengers movie. That would have been sort of cool, but they clearly weren't planning that far ahead, and it would also imply single-line time travel, which is precisely the problem - they tried to make it be both at once.

Bingo. Checkmate atheists.

Because Nebula can kill Nebula without blinking out of existence, it proves the science that they are traveling to the pasts of alternate realities.

Therefore, Cap could not travel into the past of the original timeline to become Peggy’s original husband.

He is NOT the father.

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mommy

Because Stark is not only a hero, he's a fantastically resourceful one. His death is no more pre-ordained than any future ever is. Just because the Russos wrote a hackneyed story where Strange only sees one option for victory doesn't mean we have to buy it. There were multiple opportunities to either deal with a gloveless past-Thanos or snap him out of existence.

Danvers could have remembered she's way faster than she's shown flying to the van.

Danvers, who's tougher than either the Hulk or Thor(fucking spare me) and far tougher than Tony, could have just cut to the chase and snapped as soon as she got the glove.

Thor could have remembered he can "summon the Bifrost"(even though neither it nor Asgard exist anymore) and teleported gloveless Thanos into a star.

Tony could remember that his reality van get a full set of stones and a perfectly functional, dwarf-made gauntlet by sending Boomer Thor back to Wakanda to aim for the head.

The options are endless.

endgame is probably GoT tier right now in terms of fucking up
not just say upsetting normies, but rather, handwaving everything so fucking lazy

thats it
its just fucking lazy

the stupid capeshit writing was tight in infinity wars; you cant deny it was solid (but it was capeshit, lets not get away from this)

but in endgame? one big fancy mess to retcon and then fuck up everything so confusingly, that it gives an easy handwave to any other bullshit retcons or fuckups in the future

TL;dr endgame is the starbucks cup of last GoT episode, and i dont even watch GoT

STOP POSTING PHOTOSHOPPED IMAGES YOU UTTER FAGGOT

It's an alternate aged cap having a non destroyed shield confirms this

I am disappoint. :(

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Or he just ganks from ice pop Cap

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the only time travel is from past to future time travel (easy as just cryofreezing yourself, you're just doing single one way linear time travel - aka just letting time run its course)

another, theorized, is projecting your consciousness in to the future, since it is a neurological set of electrical impulses that can be mapped, and since its electrical, its not necessarily matter (ala trek, while matter is energy, you need technology to reconvert matter from energy on the other side, like a transporter pad)

thats all i know
otherwise primer and fringe are the only good examples of time loops i can remember that still carry through

dumb iPhone poster

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I found Cap out of character at the end. Giving the shield to Sam instead of Bucky seemed wrong, but his staying back in time to hook up with Agent Carter was way wrong. The most selfless, most moral Avenger knowingly wipes out Peggy's offspring and their descendents, which were established in the other Cap movies, just to be with his first crush? No way.

Endgame is not the "main" time line, a Caps from a superior time line jumped to the endgame's past to live there and thats the one we see at the end of the movie

The fact they didn't even have a scene where Bucky goes and sits with Captain America afterwards and talk was stupid. End Game was so rushed. They skipped so many scenes. Zero exposition for anything. Tony creating and building a time machine in an instant was stupid.

Yes he cucked alternate reality cap from his peggy and his shield and then raised Sharon for his alternate self

Whats worse Cap erasing Sharon Carter from existence or making out with his great grand niece in Civil War

Or
where they his kids all along

Not related by blood so it’s fine

still would

Then wy the fuck did she act suprised to see him at her deathbed?

Cap is a monster for willing to sacrifice tony by closing wormhole in avengers 1, and breaking the conditions of not jeopardize future events. Why is he allowed to get away with it?

>he also doesn't do shit about any of the coming events
>these include bucky killing tony's parents, 9/11, hydra taking over hq, etc
>...
>all in the same movie he welded that hammer

Alzheimers ya gonk. When their conversation ends she acts surprised to see him again like she did at the start of the scene.

can pym particles make specific body parts expand?

What if this is a cap from another reality who went through the same sequence of events? Since the snap always happens in every reality, each cap from every reality eventually goes to the past of a different reality and does the same thing like a big game of musical chairs.

If going to the past can’t alter your future but rather creates diverging time lines then I assume it went down like this.

>Cap goes back
>Stays with Peggy till the end
>Since going back in the past can’t fix your future in the main timeline (I also assume maybe diverging ones to a degree) Peggy still has the same ailments when she gets old
>She dies before Steve and his kids are probably making their own kids so nothing ties him to the old line
>Swiped some Pym tech when he was a giga chad incase he ever felt tempted to go back
>Old Cap from our timeline shows up
>We wuz captains and shiiiiit

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Problem with your theater?

he fucked her brain out with his superhuman schlong. she became a potato.

i would make my future kids disappear in her mouth if you know what i mean

>Therefore, Cap could not travel into the past of the original timeline to become Peggy’s original husband.

You don't understand. He never changed anything. He ALWAYS WAS Peggy's original husband. In pictures where he looks different that's him wearing a disguise to preserve the timeline. He always did go back and marry Peggy, he always did go and sit on that bench.

Tony I've got 2 big reasons to stay back in time

its because its amulti-verse you fuckin brainlet.

The characters themselves dont know what they are fucking with...

>a blind eye

Steve was probably glued to the television day in day out with the smuggest, shit eatingest grin on his face while he watched the world go to shit after a hard days work of fucking Peggy and sucking her milkers dry.

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So in the timeline where Looking got away, I. theory, he would have taken the square to Thanks and he most likely would have succeeded in his plan.. wonder if he could use the timestone to find the "real" timeline and throttle old cap and spit on Starks grave..

When is torrent i mean blu-ray released?

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Along with Sif

source.

BIG AMERICAN TITTIES

Good to know the director is less dumber than the writers.

Probably

probably in august

>“I’d skull fuck every child in the universe to get back to them limey jugs”. - Anyone that isn't a faggot and has a working dick circa 2019
there.

Because the shield he gives Falcon is not the same shield, its the one from the timeline where he spent his life with Peggy

>You don't understand. He never changed anything. He ALWAYS WAS Peggy's original husband. In pictures where he looks different that's him wearing a disguise to preserve the timeline. He always did go back and marry Peggy, he always did go and sit on that bench.
so he just tried to fuck his niece huh

more like the writers themselves don't know what they're fucking with

but then who was present??

>remembering that scene in the trailer where it looked like Thor was back on Wakanda
>this time he'll aim for the head

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>Steve? What are you looking at?
>Nothing, Peg. Nothing.

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never watched this gay shit but they clearly and purposefully made this dude look like joe biden

i always find it cringe when women dance this way

asking for a friend

Well War Machine did recommend killing babies so maybe the dark subject matter went over the capeshit audience.

>Trigger return device

If he had done so he would have appeared on the machine.

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So in this alternate timeline is Steve now an old man doomed to watch Thanos succeed at the snap and know as he lies on his deathbed he essentially birthed an entire universe merely to suffer an unimaginable devastation so he could fuck one big tittied redhead from the 40s?

Is he not there to stop Hydra or anything terrible from happening?

tony fucked nebula on that ship right?

well since he returned all of that other shit to the same timeline I think it's the one where Thanos leaves to his timeline and dies so between the two timelines both Thanos' are now dead and everything is fine. But I mean that's stupid because that kind of alternate reality shit probably shouldn't work that way but what can you expect from writers trying to do something that is physically and naturally impossible.