Someone on Reddit actually took the time to figure out the physics behind this scene to prove that it was impossible

>someone on reddit was a complete and utter faggot
thanks for the update

Remember when this guy hosted Eurovision?

>implied that dragons are a massive deal in warfare
>gets easily rekt by one of the backwater trash nations
>night king killed
What is this show even about anymore?

since the dragons fly high up in the air how did they not see the boats before they shot the dragon? the boats sails are huge and would've been seen before the people down on the boats had a sight of the dragons

Are you seriously going to pretend that you spend your time any better?
Also you may as well link it.

I thought the same thing the second it happened. How did Dany not even see the incoming fleet?

Or you could just fly over them because ballista can’t aim up beyond a certain degree. But she managed to lose a dragon to a bunch of mindless zombies on the ground so I’m not surprised

fog machines on the boats

It rotates 360 degrees. The behind the scenes special showed the Iron Born sailors moved it around for Euron to aim it.

>Dany the breaker of chains the savior of slaves and the most worthy for the iron throne
>"yea im gonna burn city to ashes just to get to throne, im too close, dont care"
yea i get it they gonna make her go insane like the rest of targies but i still dont like it
its not the end for her that i was anticipating all these years
it feels too forced considering how she acted 6 seasons before that

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somebody wrote that the projectiles needed to have a speed 6 times faster that the speed of sound in order to achieve that damage and distance

But then the sails and mast would be in the way to properly aim it. Also the dragons could attack them from above. Why can the bolts fly that far and still have enough kinetic energy to pierce dragon scales? Why can they sink ships with a couple of hits while in the age of sail it was difficult to actually sink a ship with cannons. Why did this scene make so little sense?

MAYBE SHE HAD A FINGER UP HER BUM

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and you're saying that this is impossible, in a world filled with ice zombies and dragons and literal magic?

how would you aim through the sails

of all the problems with the story this is the one thing reddit chooses to nitpick

no wonder the series went to shit, imagine pandering to so many idiots

The needed half of the ep to tell us about Briennes vagina

how would anyone know how much force is needed to damage a wyvern, a fictional creature?

Dany forgot she had eyes

euron used littlefinger teleporting tactic

Seems legit

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It’s about family.

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>wyvern
>please pay attention to my post!
There

>reddit science
Probably some basic arithmetics with some physics terms shoved in

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You're acting like she's flying an F-16. Dragons fly on their own, with some influence from their riders. Dragons also attack head on, and face danger directly (this is mentioned in the books but I'm not sure if the show gets this across). It is likely she knew Drogon would have flown straight for the ships had she not turned him. The show is shit, and has always been shit, but you fuckfaces are making retards out of yourselves.

Euron is a wizard confirmed

There was a literal dogfight in the previous episode. They definitely have a lot of control

Link? I want to see those calculations

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They pierced the fuck out of those ships from like a mile

well, in the books he's a full on sorcerer in possession of a wide range of creepy minions and black magic artifacts

>Reddit

Like it takes physics to know it's impossible. Same with Ramsay killing Rickon, there's no way the arrow should have been able to hit him.
Either way, the important part is you need to have sex

alright, I can see how someone could make those calculations. after all, wood really exists and we know it's physical properties. dragons, not so much..

why does dany think she can srek kings landing? Her dragon is useless - they have 10000 ballista everywhere + she has 2 platoons of unsullied left

the allied army can't be that big

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so you can say that Euron could have done a 360 NO SCOOP headshoot of a dragon?
Such a missed opportunity

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It’s because they pandered to the crowd they gathered in S4, and completely forgot that they had a designated ending that would completely shit on what they were writing.

>turbo mega powered ballistas
>no recoil

Okay I know they're just using the while budget on the top billed actors and CGI (and stealing it to line their pockets too maybe) but could anybody get a change of clothes?
Euron is wearing the same clothes he wore to Kings Landing to treat with the queen that he wore to the battle ambush where he's fighting dragons. Can he at least button his shirt? Does he have armor that he wants to wear? A helmet? A newer, immersion-breaking cartoon pirate outfit instead of the dirty stupid looking one he's been wearing? Fuck it. Put a parrot on his shoulder and put on a big red velvet overcoat with dazzling golden epaulets and a frilly shirt
They're so damn lazy

kys

As the poster you cited pointed out, this would require them to destroy their own sails.

this is bait

I doubt they can compete with your sassy attitude and anime reaction images anyway

Sails go up and down...

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>figure out the physics behind this scene
>that picture
even /sci/ isnt this retarded

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>as fast as a dragon
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It's the ships that made no sense and if they'd just said it was Kraken Magic or something everyone would be fine with it. This is why Book Euron would at least make sense Show Euron doesn't even without being too autistic about fantasy logic. This was silly

They were at dragonstone, dude. It would take hours for Euron's fleet to leave.

>what's a computer

>Just go around the boats.
Still risky. They don't have to completely turn around. Just 90 degrees. And if she commits, she loses literally all her power if she loses her last dragon.

And if she tries to come from above, potentially some of the ships on the outside could still aim high enough to hit her when she gets low enough to breath fire on something.

Basically Euron's superpowered sea attacks that everyone keeps just forgetting about are this season's Ramsay Bolton and his 20 good men and 2 dogs.

The mast would still be in the way to shoot and aim, and your ships would lose their maneuverability and would be still targets. A flying dragon as dipicted in the series is faster then a ship could respond to such a situation. How they even got there unnoticed in the first place is also ridiculous.

just turn your brain off bro lmao

he rolled for initiative and won

How do you ''take time''?

A small price to kill a dragon

They spend three decades building up the Others and the Dragons and song of Ice and Fire and brilliantly subvert expectations when little girls and emo pirates kill them in 5 seconds using butter knives and wooden arrows. It's brilliant because everyone wasted their time.

>and you're saying that this is impossible, in a world filled with ice zombies and dragons and literal magic?
Yeah.

BECAUSE ICE ZOMBIES AND DRAGONS ARE LITERAL MAGIC

BALLISTAS ARE NOT

RETARD

>balistas made of magic materials
done

>westeros was conquered by dragons
>big crossbow can kill dragons
So why didn’t the house with crossbow image on the shields conquer Westeros?

At the time they didn’t research the ballistas yet

It's like you actually write for the show.

You know what's also impossible? Melting gold in a fucking pot over a bonfire. Yet I don't see any autistic redditors bitching about that

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You know you can fold the sails right? Brainlet.

they were at the time it was just less of them

DABID, HIRE THIS MAN IMMEDIATELY!
GET HIM SOME CRAYONS

So thats how combat for women works, the guy next to dies and you panic.

Not that guy but if they had taken a few seconds saying that no one would have the right to bitch.
It's almost like the character in the book specifically had a rare super specific weapon with a horrible price to use it where him being a threat made sense which is why the weapon existed, and also had consequences and stakes to him using it, while in the show it makes no sense and zero consequences so why the fuck isn't everyone's Westeros using these devastating ballistas on each other, why did anyone ever worry or care about some dragons and how did the Targs even conquer anything in the first place.

They totally did you fucking newfag retard.

That’s not relevant to anything. It could be silver and it would change nothing.

Well dragons need riders to be able to
Make good tactical decisions. So getting an ambush on one is logical, even the great aegon and his sisters got owned by a scorpion bolt in an ambush by the dornish. Secondly Dany is not a very smart or tactically minded person. Coupled with the surge of emotions she was incapable of acting decisively.

>he doesn't know the melting point of gold
>gigglingwhores.tif

Except they rid, but in this case, it made no difference to the plot. Khal Drogo could have just ripped his head off instead and the basic scene would be the same. Here they made a big deal of dragons as a gamechanger but it takes less than a minute to drop one first try with normal weapons, so why were dragons ever anything but decorative?

>Melting gold in a fucking pot over a bonfire
It can with charcoal fire, just not as fast.
>Yet I don't see any autistic redditors bitching about that
That's because you're a newfag

>Someone on Reddit actually took the time to figure out the physics behind this scene to prove that it was impossible

you mean they reposted a theory that someone on /tg/ posted.

Okay so why did "smart" Tyrion and all of the other Starks and Dany advisors and everyone "just forget" about Euron like D&D said in the behind the episode and not send scouts or have Varys get spy information or anything?

>What is this show even about anymore?
The GAME OF THRONES Haha, remember when the show was about Lannisters being dickheads? Haha.

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Why? Some gold alloys for jewelry can melt at 700C. Google says campfire can reach 1000C.

Have kids lmao. Oh wait.

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If there was some magic propellant then no but we are supposed believe NON MODERN elastic tension could generate that much acceleration? Fuck no

>Be woman warlord
>"Fuck the Art of War"
>Send no reconnaissance, to check for enemies fleet
>Don't use dragon for reconnaissance
>Lose pathetically

Sun tsu is absolutely not amused

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>The mast would still be in the way to shoot and aim
There are a lot of ships side by side though, and the mast is relatively thin, so not all ships would have their targeting blocked.

Yeah, I'm sure the targaryen whore would be able to make this decision on the act

and yo usay this is impossible in a world of magic seasons, zombies and deformed assassins?

Have you not read the thread you stupid fuck

The idiot strategy at the Battle of Winterfell presumably had the men all weighing in and every single person is now a retard at war tactics, strategy, diplomacy, and common sense including the dumbass Night's King.

Why are people ignoring that Dany is basically retarded?

Were there ever actual bolts capable of piercing hulls used in naval warfare or did the devs just play too much Age of Empires?

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That's what's so powerful about it.

Hulls aren't super durable, there's no reason a standard ballista wouldn't be able to piece a hull. A fuckoff big designed to shoot dragons out of the sky scorpion wouldn't have a problem tearing up a ship like that.

The Night King made the same shot and he did it with his arm.

But oh he used magical spears, so it’s okay.

Yeah redditors tend to overthink tv shows about dragond and wizards, good thing we like the cheese here and recognize GoT for te schlock KINO it is

That was also stupid but before we knew the Night King was a pussy bitch not the personification of death thousands of years old with amazing powers, this wacky punk who suddenly showed up is a thousand times the destructive force the Army of the Dead was. Fuck Olly killed more important characters.

>and Missandei could end it once and for all with grabbing her down
>but no she just "Dracarys"

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Why did he burn be Dany doesnt? Sorry I dont really follow the show but I know they are from the same family and all

You guys have let your Dany hate make you into retards.

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Even cannonballs wouldn't do that much damage to a ship, no way a ballista could come even close

The heads are already roughly the diameter of a cannonball and they open up to be like 7 feet across in flight.

This dude sounds an awful lot like Rian Johnson

How is it insane? Cersei is holding the throne by force and using the ppl as human shields. Her bad rule almost cost the whole realm not just kingslanding. She has to be removed and if she has to break a few eggs to make her omelette so be it.

just switch off bro

buy some funko pops

You could see that the missiles were impossibly effective just at a glance. They don't move like that.

>tfw no Game of Thrones on Vita

Based.

>and they open up to be like 7 feet across in flight

what? did I miss that?
Anyway, spreading the force over a larger area lessens the penetrating power. Those ballistas would need to put out a fuck ton of energy

>when you get HEAT rounds

>h-haha this one section of one criticism is maybe a bit pedantic so every criticism is ridiculous

They show more detail in the behind the scenes but the heads function the same as expandable broadheads.

The concept works fine in a fantasy setting. Naval ballistae were a thing historically and it took a few volleys for them to take down a ship.

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And it won't change a thing.

>Reddit
I thought we are the autists here.

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> Also when they get in front of the castle of cersai.. yep just like that
not only that, after their navy got "ambushed" (lmao), the remnants of their group head back to Dragonstone to regroup and lick their wounds for a day or two?
And then they teleported with the crew to the gates in King's Landing.
> I really don't get it, why are they rushing everything so quick?
Seems like everyone (producers & actors alike) want to finish the whole thing already and not bound their acting career to a mere fantasy role for almost two decades, should they have followed Martin's story lmao.

The criticism he's talking about is how it was physically impossible for a raven to reach Daenerys in time to go and help Jon Snow surrounded by zombies.
His defense is that dragons don't comply with the laws of physics either.
Yes, Alan, Dragons are magical. Are ravens magical, Alan? Are they? Or are you and D&D just a bunch of lazy gits? Alan?

Explains how they got their Star Wars gig.

Ravens are magical, they can fly across westeros in like an hour.

Well, so can entire armies, apparently.

Yeah travel time in GoT has always been really inconsistent.

good for them, now go back

Has it? Daenerys used to need entire seasons to move from one country to another.

I mean the ravens were possessed by incel magic so they could presumably have magical abilities. Regardless, the inaccurate wingspeed velocity of a raven is objectively one if the least important issues with that episode.

i dont recall seeing them open up, but if they do, wouldn't that men more surface area to absorb the force and less likely to cause the massive damage seen?

Only because they really stretched out the essos stuff as long as they could. I don't think GRRM or any of the show writers really care about terrain or geography beyond cardinal directions.

That's some ps2 tier cgi.

Why do retarded zoomers always point to the PS2 for bad CGI especially when there's tons of games literally right now that have awful graphics.

>3 hits with 100% accuracy at a HUGE range
>Rhaegal dies
>Dany and Drogon turn and approach the fleet head on
>Now all 12 shots fired at Drogon, who is now closer, all miss for some reason
>Since Dany/Drogon have been moving in closer in this time, the fleet does not have time to reload before Drogon can burn them all
>Even Euron has "oh shit we are fucked now" written across his face
>Drogon and Dany turn around and leave for no reason
>Euron laughs his ass off and now attacks the fleet that has been left completely unguarded

Every time D&D make an absolute shitshow, I always thought "well at least it can't get any worse"

It happend with Robb's marriage, then it happened with Tyrion/Tysha/Tywin, then it happened with so many things it all just became a blur of shit - then it happened with Episode 3 and I thought to myself, "Truly, this must be the shittiest of the shits D&D will produce."

Now episode 4 has happened, and they did it again. I am looking forward to episode 5 being even more retarded than this shitfest.

Why didn't Dany equip her dragons with some plate armor? It would have prevented a lot of trouble and death

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i dont think naval ballistae were ever capable of taking down ships. they were used to harass the crews at greater distances than average bows.

Yep makes no sense why they're rushing it. This isn't an HBO decision either but had dabid written all over it.

Dragonscale is way harder than any armor you can forge. If the bolts are piercing dragonscale that easily then some plate isn't gonna do much to stop it. Also might effect their speed or agility. Hell the dragons might not even like it and just rip it off.

Dragon scales are supposed to be armour. The only weak spots on a dragon are the eyes but dabid happened so fuck logic.

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>hey dragon queen I know you want to take king's landing but it's literally the day after we fought the dead guys can we have a few days or maybe even a week to recover
>NO WE MARCH TOMORROW HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME
>ALSO I'M GOING TO START THE SIEGE/ATTACK WITHOUT MY FULL ARMY BEING THERE

Daenerys seems to get more retarded every season

We didn't see the ships actually sink, it took out a railing and a mast. Not really that unrealistic for something that's almost twice as large as a normal one.

Give them bulky 10cm thick plate armor and turn them into land-based dragon tanks.

>making things that fly heavier
Also plate can't stop plot arrows.
That being said, all the people who critisise Dany for leaving after her dragon got shot down: What would you do? You were flying high in the sky and suddendly one of your dragons get hit 3 times with almost pinpoint accuracy. I'd get the fuck out of there too since it's obvious that the enemy has magic dragon seeking bolts that hit from impossible distances.

Ballistae also have tremendous recoil and even the best crews couldn't fire faster than 2 bolts every minute

The Mongol Khans literally used this to execute nobles, I suggest you stop being a cunt.

You all need to have sex.

Doesn't book Euron have fog-camo magic? Maybe he does in the show too, but they've never explicitly addressed it.

It's actually a scorpion which can easily fire twice as fast. Also every one of those ships had one.

>plate armor
I know season 1 put it in your head that armor is really important and actually quite valuable, but surely by now you know that full plate is about as effective protection as wearing wet toilet paper - didn't S8E3 teach you anything?

In the books he has fucking warlocks, an anti-dragon weapon and can create storms. I can't really think of a decent way they could have written an ambush either.

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Those ballistas were fucking gatling guns later, takes like one second to reload

Those Khans didn't melt gold over a bonfire, ding-dong. No campfire can get to 1943f (plus or minus some degrees for elevation), they used forges.

I hope Euron calculated the Coriolis force, otherwise the dragon would have been pretty hard to hit, haha.

Shit tier writing in progress. It's what happens when the writing room is staffed with sycophants.

bravo, you wrote a better script than d&d

they rotate and have a "claw" that opens up after it's in mid air, it was in the behind the scenes

>rips of his gold chains
>melts them
>says cool catchphrase "A CROWN FOR A KING" as he pours melting gold over fags head
GoT was so much fucking better back then, jesus christ.

The BING sound when his head hits the floor cracked me up.

Make it angled to boot. Dragons are confirmed to collapse walls with fire so it’s an ultimate conquest machine.

It would be impossible to assess the ranges of the ballistas so quickly from so far away. Dany had to make a quick decision. Also, if the boats spread out then they could hit the dragon from any angle.

I thought it was a bit silly how she dodged the second volley of arrows despite them aiming straight at her and her flying towards them.

have sex

That's assuming every piece of jewel is pure gold and not some alloy

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Gold alloys weren't done much in the middle ages. And even alloys are still a higher melting point than a fucking cooking pot gets.

>there’s a sole ship in the middle of the sea.
>she gets closer to investigate
>it’s actually surrounded by a bunch of submerged ballistas
>they surface and rain fire hurting one of the dragons
>she panics and flies away
>fleet appears from some cave/behind the cliff as before and attacks the ships

try wearing shackles and out wrestling someone

cannons were more viable, they never needed anti aircraft weapons on medieval ships

Book Euron at least has a bunch of weird Eldritch magic shit and magic artifact that would justify this shit.

Come to think of it has Danny ever had a single archer in her army?

I seem to remember Dany making a remark about only True Targaryans™ being immune to fire.

based and underrated

>needing to figure out the physics to prove that ballista bolts punching ships apart like Tomahawk missiles is impossible
Someone is incredibly autistic.

gr8b8m8ir88/8

>submerged ballistas
>giant cave you can ride ships in randomly
i like that you tried but that's a bit much
naval ambushes are almost impossible, and in the books they'll have to use a magic storm and a dragon horn

seems legit

Bro just use u-boats.

>ballista bolts travelling at almost mach 2
Bravo Dabid.

So she has enough influence over Drogon to make him abandon any thought of revenge or bloodthirst after Raegar got shot down but has not enough influence over him to make him attack the ships from behind?

Yeah..

Alloys require finer metallurgy capabilties than most steppe confederation khanates could handle. Historically speaking, coins can be safely assumed to be an alloy though the dominant metal composition is normally north of 80% the "primary metal". It also depends on the state and time period we are talking about. During economic depressions, coins were debased as a way for the state to conserve precious metals and level off the economy though this didn't fix much in the long term because inflation was not a concept understood by officials back then. Here is a picture of the XRF breakdown of a coin I own from the Pontic Kingdom around 90ish BC. Sorry it is upside-down as I'm a dirty phoneposter. You can see how pure the alloy is, with silver being 90% of the metallic composition, and mainly the substituting metals are for durability rather than any sort of debasement purposes. Pontus was especially wealthy during this time though so they likely skew higher in purity than the average coin from antiquity.

All that said, most alloys for currency and jewelry that contain gold or silver have a melting point much higher than an open fire can achieve.

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I wish they'd done the same with the nothing personnel the goblina pulled but oh wait that'd be misogyny

thats a strange way to word autistic

naw m8, naw

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>1.8k m/s
>almost mach 2

Looks more like mach 6 to me.

>Not even drag from air calculated
holy fuck d&d

Her guys have more plot armor.

Seriously: There are 2 possibilities for the final battle:
1. Some extremely retarded plot armor shit does happen and they win against the Lannister forces + Golden Company somehow on the battlefield.

2. Golden Company betrays Cercei and helps Dany to win.

Both options are dumb and from what we saw from S8 so far, it will be option 1.

This.

How many outfits had Stannis for example? Even Renly had more different outfits.

ON AN OPEN FIELD
>*COUGH*

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They're supposedly going to besiege the fortress, cut off supply lines and starve them out... no idea about how they're intending to control the seas though, iron fleet easily BTFO them.

Euron-vision - nobody wins and all of the acts get raped and keel-hauled

Why did she land in that scene. There was no reason not to remain airborne.

why didn't qyburn invent cannons instead, would have been much more believable

But only after deciding to fly straight-on towards the things that most easly hit you when you do exactly that.

It would have been cooler if the dragon lived, but slowly succumbs to infection like Drogo

I thought they would get some help from Yara

>out wrestling someone
Literally just grab her and jump. Dont need to be a fucking state champion to do that

>penetrating a ships hull (danys ships are transports, not warships)
Yes.

>ripping huge parts of the ship away
No.

>Firing as fast as like a semi-automatic rifle
Hell no

A ballista takes time to reload. One with a fuckload of power to penetrate dragons/ships needs alot of power to pull back its arms which would result in a long reload time.

Somehow they managed to get both, firepower and firerate.

If the spoilers are true then the fleet will get roasted by the last dragon, somehow. They also claim that cerseis army will get stomped, which seems utterly ridiculous considering danaerys troops get slaughtered time and time again, so i dont know if all spoilers are true, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me.

even today we don't really have usable submarine anti air weapons

>hating cersei
go back to r**dit unironically

>grab Cersei and jump, try to land on top of her
>if she survives, strangle her with the chain

Higher area of effect damage though, but way less penetration

you can't really move people while you're handcuffed, that's why they're used. it's not so you can't use your hands.

People did bitch about it, but the show was new and people weren't as invested yet.

That's because it was awesome and epic. Unlike anything in the show past season 4

And they reload without spare spears.

>GRRM

He does.

kek this is so fucking dumb

>Somehow they managed to get both, firepower and firerate.

And with absolutely no recoil at all. Those flimsy ass platform the scorpions stand on should have exploded with the amount energy that would've been released with each shot. Hell, the scorpions themselves should have been reduced to splinters through the tension alone.

We saw them sinking in the background when they washed up on the beach, those ballistae absolutely destroyed their ships, most of them are just pieces.

the only thing that would work would be a roundhouse kick or running tackle or something, while cuffed none of your upper body muscles have any range of motion

Serious question?

How the fuck do two dragons that fly in the sky get fucking ambushed by a fleet? How the hell can you hide a fleet from something that is in the sky?

It makes no fucking sense, D&D are literall retards

autistically so, even.

This guy is such a faggot

Ok picture this, you are on the edge of a cliff, you take your hands, grab my shirt and let yourself fall. What can I do? Nothing I just fall with you unless im strong enough to hold your weight

>tfw you wish Euron wins everything
Will you ever know that feel, user?

half the issues would have been fixed by making seasons 7 and 8 10 eps each

turn your brain off bro & have sex

THE IRON BORN

ON AN OPEN SEA NED

Let the millionaires handle it, moron.

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You can't. The problem was the story called for Euron to ambush her, that's GRRM's ending.
In the books, Euron has a bunch of magic and shit that would make him able to ambush her... but the show neutered him.

How to improve the scene without changing the (retarded) outcome:

>Dany flies with her 2 dragons ahead of their fleet
>They spot the iron fleet
>3 or more bolts being fired
>All miss
>Dany attacks head on (she is still retarded)
>Rhaegal gets hit once or twice but still manages to burn a ship or two
>Rhaegal gets downed and Dany/Drogon has to flee
>Her fleet gets obliterated in the process

>even more of this atrocious writing

God no, please have mercy, don't even think about something like this.
I'm just glad it's ending, this shit has been getting worse and worse since season 4.

your shoulders can't move enough to do that
go tape your hands together and try to move shit around
ive been in cuffs before you cant do shit

she can't have weighed more than 90 pounds

>nah she could pull it off
too close

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whenever D&D want they just have more troops appear from thin air for whichever side is due a favorable plot point.

Grade 11 math, and even then got things wrong...
>not accounting for drag
>not accounting for turbulence
>USING 2 M FOR HEIGHT
>not accounting for proper amount of force
>no stress view on the string, ballista, or ship
>no momentum check from the ballista shot being released
>wrong distance
>no angle

More reasons why Reddit is fucking retarded.

Would you armchair strategists shut up about battle tactics already.

The point is Dany is making retarded decisions because that's all she's ever done. Every battle she fought involves swooping down on dragons with fire, followed up by cav charge. That's literally the only thing she knows.
Jon is a good leader, but a shit commander. Never did he manage to successfully command field armies. All he knows is how to lead a charge.
Meanwhile, Tyrion and Varys are too afraid of Dany to face her directly. Instead all they can manage is plot behind her back.
Occasionally someone will voice reason (Sansa), but Dany literally just shoots her down with "how dare you question your queen".

The writer deliberately makes the character stupid so the audience feels smarter.

They were too busy playing “a whole new world” on their heads while flying

The more power/range/weight the bolt has, the more power the machine needs to reload.
Fast firing scorpions have small and light bolts with not really much penetration, thats why they were almost never used against stone walls during actual sieges and the romans for example used them against troops.
If the bolt is big, heavy and has to have a very high amount of penetration to pierce the hardest material know to men, then it has to have a fucking long reload time.

>You can't. The problem was the story called for Euron to ambush her, that's GRRM's ending.

in the books Dany won't have more than 1 dragon by the time she gets to Westeros, let alone 2 after defeating the Others.

>Have low morals and vapid interests and no critical thought... just like me.

He's right though... Maybe some variables have a slight different value, but measured by the visual data a Scorpio shoots an arrow with the same velocity, an abraham battle tank shoots a tungsten carbide arrow

>Why can they sink ships with a couple of hits while in the age of sail it was difficult to actually sink a ship with cannons.
this bothered me more than the dragon. did they put wildfire bombs in those bolts? have D&D ever seen a naval battle before?

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The bolts weren't solid steel. They were wood with steel tips, thus would not weight 220lbs, but more like 25lbs.

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>most worthy for the iron throne

A pretty big point of the story is that that doesn't mean anything

this person need to have sex unironically

it's pointless to talk about the characters in the show as tactical commanders because everything that happens in all the battles is driven by dramatic logic first and foremost.

The biggest problem I have is those ships have no rowers. Do they have square rigging or not? They never explain this.

So basically a trap by GRRM to make D&D look like retards?

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It may be half assed and wrong, but it's still more than this shithole has done in the last years.

>wood
>stronger than a dragon's hide

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it was lead painted gold because dothraki are retarded

Sounds reasonable but we're dealing here with D&D and Daenerys "great commander and strategist" Stormborn

I think that in order to not snap while being held under enough tension to fire at that velocity, they couldn't be made of wood.

Interesting post friend, thanks

>dragons are treated like harbingers of the apocalypse in season 2
>intelligent men who have spent their lives in conflict live in a state of suppressed panic about how to deal with the dragons
>"Hey what if we just shot them with siege engines?"

To be honest this is one of the least stupid things in this show. There was never any real reason to assume dragons were immune to conventional weapons, it's just (as usual) GRRM left out any explanation of the dragon's limits so the show writers had to have everyone quake in their boots about these things.

The picture clearly shows wood shafts with steel broadheads numbnuts.
In the books a dragon got harpooned to death, and that harpoon likely had a wood shaft.
And peasants slaughtered dragons in the dragonpit with pitchforks and axes, so dragonscale isn't worth shit in Martin's world.

The construction of ships were completely different in the age of cannons because ship technology had advanced, I'm pretty sure none of Dany's ships even have a pump to man, for example.

The idiocy is in how ships operate in the show. They're always bunched together way too close even when going through channels (Euron's ambush position), they always move straight on towards their target and they stop moving or slow down whenever they want. Oh and they always have full sails, with Euron's ship even packing on extra sails because the show-writers think that just means it'll be even faster than all the other ships. Add to that how stupidly fast the reload of the ballistas were and you don't need to have a problem with ships actually getting fucked up by giant metal bolts. If we could have invented magic ballistas like that I'm sure we'd have been fucking enemy ships up exactly the same way before cannons rolled around.

>not hating cool wine aunt
No difference between a whore and a queen

that’s not bad writing that’s just rushing

stfu already you’ve never written anything in your life

>Using the density of steel for the entire bolt

Why? They show the bolt up close and it only has a steel tip

>Vertical drop = 2m
They show a man standing next to one, the bolt is higher than him. It's a least 3m. Then you have to add how far above sea level his feet are, at least another 3m. 6m total

>Working out t

Why? We can measure it, from memory it was about 3 seconds. Almost 6 times what they have.

>high school physics
oh yieks

>Alloys require finer metallurgy capabilties than most steppe confederation khanates could handle.
Do you think the dothrakis make their jewels? They pillage it or get them offered tribut, and they live in the magical land of Essos where roads and swords can stay immaculate for thousands of years without maintenance. I don't think alloys would be out of the question.

Besides bonfire can reach gold melting temperature, it's just that this particular one is indeed quite small.

No, it's a swerve by GRRM to make Euron look like the final boss when it's actually Dany.

But user just writted that post, it was a very well writt post and makes a lot of sense. Your post is trash however and you should consider

the problem is the failure to set up the plot elements correctly. this is a story, if the first half tells us dragons are uber, changing that is going to damage the of dramatic stakes.

>You know you can fold the sails right?
The ironborn sure don't seem to know that, since they're always going everywhere by putting up every scrap of sail they have.

>Why? They show the bolt up close and it only has a steel tip

because a wooden bolt would probably snap if it was held at the tension required to be fired at the velocity we see in the show. it must at least have a metal core.

really you just need to use your eyes: the bolts move so quickly it literally looks "wrong".

anyone who's seen tracer fire knows they were going almost literally as quickly as bullets.

>fuck, look at those rocks at the lower left corner. How fucking high in the water do those ships rest? It would have made total sense if they'd kept the ironborn=viking angle and given them viking ships that could go up rivers, but you expect me to believe those huge fucking ships with ramming prows and all can go that close to rocky shores?

what if they made hollow glass arrows filled with wildfire lit like a molotov arrow

Could be made from some magic hardwood for all we know.

>Why can the bolts fly that far and still have enough kinetic energy to pierce dragon scales?

So you care about real world physics enough to get upset over the inertia of fantasy ballista shots but you have no problem with dragons having magical armour capable of repelling arrows like steel that somehow is also light enough to let them fly with the same grace and speed as a bird of prey? Or that the show dragons have the mass of African elephants and can still get off the ground? You realize even 25 gram sparrows needed to evolve hollow unfused bones to achieve flight?

Are all fans of the show as retarded as this user?

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Westerosi military technology grew considerably in recent years. They even set up Lannister's researching arrow tech. Joff's crossbow for example.

what if they made tiny metal arrows in a tube and propelled them at the enemy with some kind of explosive.

>f

>no problem with dragons having magical armor
thats typical fantasy rules.

it's about Chekov's Gun. you can't set up a plot element in one way and then treat it another way just because you want to end the story faster.

the NK being vulnerable to Valyrian Steel but immune to fire was set up much, much more effectively than this.

Mongols executed nobility by breaking their backs or covering them with a carpet and crushing them, to avoid spilling blood. The molten gold shit is from the legend of Crassus' death.

The dragons are all magic, it's why they can fly with giant tears in their wings even, because they're not generating lift with them, they're using magic. The ballista has not been shown to be magic at all.

In the books he was some actually some rando that was swapped at birth with the real targ dude

From that picture, it looks like a 3" shaft, if it were 9 feet long, that wood shaft would weight 30 lbs. Then 15-20 lbs for the head? 50lbs total?

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>just turn your brain off and enjoy
It's not impossible to write believable situations that would lead to the main characters losing. Why are you suggesting people should just mindlessly consume media?

Literally anyone who knows fucking anything about how these tools worked and basic physics knows that fucking ballista shots fired from a quarter a mile away on ships can't shred boats you retarded faggot

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Except that's wrong, you vastly underestimate the durability of wood. Arrows travel between 150-200 ms^-1 depending on the draw strength of the bow, they are about 1-1.5cm in diameter. These are just scaled up
It would make no sense to put wood around a metal core, no to mention the hardships in actually doing so with their level of technology

>retarded impossible thing happens to kill/screw over male characters
>"JUS TURN UR BRAN OFF!!"
>anything happens to cause any amount of trouble for female character
>Autistic rage to try discredit what happened and sperging out on everything

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Targs aren't immune to fire, that's why. Dany just survived a funeral pyre thanks to the same kind of fire-sacrifice magic that Melly employs, and likes her baths hotter than some Essos bitches like theirs.

Or you could not be retarded and figure It out Just by looking at the scene

it was so ridiculous that she didn't do that, she literally flew at them, baiting their shots, she could've burned them before rotating

IDK about the physics but crossbows are more effective then people think. This puppy and fire an arrow clean through a car door.

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Yeah this thread sure isn't filled with "turn your brain off" people. Nosiree.

This shit made no sense even in a show with magic and what not. Even the strongest real-life weapons like that can shoot like a few hundred meters at best, with limited precision. Keep in mind they're firing them upwards, at an angle.
It's physically impossible indeed, there's no need to analyze it. This show has been butchered beyond belief, but this is one of the lesser problems.

A retarded rule is still retarded
>muh gritty realistic show that should have real world concepts applied to it
>also nonsensical magic lol

She also survives burning down the widow prison house

That was a ballista, Excellency. Its arms strengthened with bronze plates and strung with horsehair, it can propel heavy bolts up to a mile away. A deadly and very costly weapon. An experienced crew can cock and release two bolts each minute. Yet, it has one flaw: the recoil of the arms is so strong upon firing that the weapon shifts. It simply cannot hit the same spot twice.

Holy shit you're stupid. Do you think naval combat is just AC4 Black Flag?

Qyburn took the wight arm and experimented with it. Will he create zombies?

The historical Khanate confederations were the topic of the conversation, not Dothraki. Secondly, you can't smelt over a bonfire. It's much too large and unruly. Furnaces or forges are required to get workable flames that are hot enough.

Dragons in fantasy have been forever spoiled for me by the Temeraire series. Even if it is revisionist leftist garbage, it did dragon combat right.

Anyway, if you're moving your fleet around why the fuck wouldn't you have small fast vessels set up in a picket as you move to provide security so that the enemy fleet can't just sail on up?

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so there's no chance in hell they could penetrate a solid ship hull? gotcha!

>they were at the time it was just less of them

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You know what they should have done? Shown more clearly that the dragon had its belly-scales raked off in the battle with the undead dragon and was still wounded from that. The air is saturated with ballista bolts from the first shot with everyone firing at once, and only one actually does anything: a lucky hit on the wounded dragon's chest, making it fall to the sea. This would further solidify Dany's mistake in not letting her troops rest and heal before going south, because she wouldn't have lost the dragon if she'd allowed its scales to grow back.

>Someone on Reddit actually took the time to figure out the physics behind this scene to prove that it was impossible
And dozens of people knowledgeable enough said straight away real equivalents were not capable of it either, so, what did he prove exactly?

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There's like 4-5 scenes with him in total. If this was Seasons 1-4, you'd see preparations for battle on BOTH sides, not just Dany's. They probably barely bother to change up Cersei and Euron's clothes for that reason. They only exist to give the Dany cringe crew something to fight. Realistically, Cersei should've been dead after the Sept blew up, hung by her own people.

A bunch of magic at work once again. GRRM has been clear that she's got no special immunity to fire, and it's clear from the history of the Targs that they're not immune to fire, with how often they burnt to death.

>It would be impossible to assess the ranges of the ballistas so quickly from so far away.
Yet the ballistas were able to instantly range the fast moving dragons.. Interdasting user.. Very interdasting..

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Ive never seen a person as unattractive as Lena Headey whilst still being Attractive. I mean, not really but kinda. She looks like an elf woman that's been taking HRT

>This puppy and fire an arrow clean through a car door.
That puppy is a product of modern technology. Not one of it's medieval counterparts.

realistically King's Landing would burn down after the Sept blew up, which is probably what will happen in the books.

in the show it's totally unharmed so that Dany can burn it later to justify her being put down like a rabid dog.

completely unrealistic. ballistae played no significant role in naval combat. there's some usage if catapults on ship castles but other than that, the most significant developments are the swivel gun and then cannons, of course.
otherwise it was all archery and getting close for ramming, boarding or greek fire.

That's an integral part of the point of the story GRRM wrote. People have grown used to magic having died off and so they've cast off the dragon lords and rely on maesters for knowledge, their gods do nothing when you ask for help just like ours etc. But with the red comet comes a surge in magic, with all the old spells becoming effective again and dragons being brought back. Suddenly they're facing the magic monsters from their bed-time stories, both in Dany's dragons and in the Others. But GRRM doesn't also abandon the realism that the humans bring, having to deal with all this shit with political intrigue and planning instead of inventing magic ballistas that reload in a second.

Beautiful actress + British genes = The Big Wall

How did Dany transport her army to Dragonstone? By sea? And she had that many ships from where exactly? And if not, then marching from Winterfell to Dragonstone on land makes even less sense.

remember that when we talk about a ballista's range, that means it's range if it fire a bolt up at a 45 degree angle and it arcs down and hits the ground.

we're not talking about its functional range as a surface-to-air missile that can penetrate steel scales.

>Keep in mind they're firing them upwards, at an angle.
At a moving target with presumably strong winds. It's an impossible shot.

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they had years to research anti dragon weapons and had a chance to field test a prototype and time to revise it

>We didn't see the ships actually sink
With the way the ballistas blew holes in the ship, any hit below or at the waterline would doom them very quickly

>remember when the show was about Lannisters being dickheads?
"remember when" is the lowest form of conversation. But god yeah I miss those days

Every DnD episode is worse than the last.

It's actually kind of impressive how they've kept that up right until the very end.

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>stfu already you’ve never written anything in your life
I have written tens of thousands of words already of a fully planned fucking porn story.

I can absolutely and authoritatively state that my fucking hobby porn story has tighter and more sensible plotting than this fucking show, and I haven't even fucking finished it.

Don't talk to me about writing. It is fucking offensive to writers the garbage that gets put out.

>water
>stronger than steel
Doesn't matter if the velocity is high enough.

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Dragonbone is black because it is heavy with iron, but remains flexible after death--and it makes the best bows. Dragonbone is metal. The dragons are fucking spaceships. The Grey King built his hall out of a "sea dragon", that had an inexhaustible heat source that lasted for 1,000 years. Nagga's ribs are the remnants of the Grey Kings crash landed spaceship.
In George's Dying of the Light and Tuf Voyaging he has spaceships that look like dragons.

"The second aircar he found was in even worse shape. In fact, it could hardly be called a car at all. Nothing remained but a bare metal frame and four rotting seats squatting in the midst of the tubing-a skeleton gutted of even its skin."

Burned out spaceship skeleton.

There are three kinds of aliens, Nordic aliens, Greys, and Reptilians. The Targaryen name comes from Argaria which is silver poisoning which gives you purple eyes and grey skin, they look Nordic, they have reptilian babies, the Targs are genetically engineered aliens.

>fucking porn story.
That's the best kind of porn.

>stfu already you’ve never written anything in your life
Not that user but I have read at least over 50k pages of fiction in total, mostly sci-fi and can say things do feel rushed, unfinished and not fleshed out

Fuck it. Why not.
Literotica link?

My nigga.

It's going to be novel length by the time I am done. A sprawling tale of conquering the world and fucking all of the people in it.

>Literotica link?
Implying I would post unfinished work. There's enough garbage on the internet without me adding to it.

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Its the same marvelcucks who now believe in time travel but are spending hours arguing about Capt Murica going back to live in 1940

>Targaryen

I heard it was from Middle English "Targ" which means "super" and "aryan": super-aryan.

>had a chance to field test a prototype and time to revise it
Bronn shot once at a dragon that was flying straight at him. He's not a learned man. Nobody ever practiced shooting at a flying target, miles away, on a rocking ship. But they hit it 3 times in a row.

Its fucking dumb user. Makes the whole show feel worthless. Multiple characters whole arcs are dedicated to raising these dragons and bring them to Westeros to wreak havoc and fuck things up. But when the dragons finally get there you can just shoot them down effortlessly with big crossbows.

Yep, my expectations sure have been subverted. Look at how much I'm enjoying the way the show is ending. I'm so mad I'm wasting my time here complaining when I should be working. Good job DABID. Thanks for setting up 10 years worth of TV just leave everyone with a brain dissapointed.

>all ships sinking in the background as Varys coughs
>no ships sank

I hope you get as rich as the 50 shades woman, user.

His velocity calculation is retarded, he compared the height of the balista and the distance to the dragon, ignoring the height of the dragon. I'm not going to spend time doing a long calculation just to show how not only the string and the ballista, but the entire ship would snap from that force.

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It was a volley and Rhaegal flew into it to save Dany after getting nicked, watch the scene again

They are super-aryans of course.

Argyria is silver poisoning. Targs have silver hair, Dany's hair is silver, the denarius is a roman Silver coin, her horse is called Silver. People call her Silver Lady. Targs have purple eyes, silver poisoning gives you purple eyes, Targs are supposed to be resistant to disease, silver is an anti-biotic.

Ah the good old "I can't fail if I never try" approach.
Face it, even that wrong calculation is more than this place can cough up nowadays.

So it was random luck that they even hit them? Oh that makes it so much better user. You don't even have to aim to kill a dragon. Good to know.

I think the reason people are upset about this scene is because it had a very unhappy ending and in a really unsatisfying way. It all seemed to happen for no reason and it was as if the "bad guy" had suddenly been given godlike tools of war, also for no reason other than to present him as an adequate villain to fight against. it's just stupid and poorly done. this show sucks ass

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no they just fired a shitload in the general area, they're not that innacurate
the scorp is based on modern crossbow tech anyway, medieval people moves past ballista to firearms because they were more useful.. but it's more feasable than you think
this can hit an accurate shot at 680 yards

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I don't have a DE calculator on me at the moment, it will be required for drag. If you want, you can compare (kinetic energy) to (kinetic energy + gravitational energy) and ignore all losses. Realize the momentum leaving the balista, and apply that the the string/wood/ship. Also, I'm not the one claiming wrong and bad math is correct or useful.