>"Your father lived by a philosophy - a principal really. He believed that, if you could do good things for other people you had a moral obligation to do those things. That's what at stake here, not choice, responsibility."
What do raimifags think about this line in TASM? For me I prefer this over the original "with great power comes great responsibility".
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I fuckong love that with each new reboot of spiderman the phrase becomes more convoluted
In homecoming they just skipped Uncle Ben entirely
Yeah but peter still explains why he does it in Civil war
In a very weird and complicated way lol
I prefer
>With great power, you must use it to exterminate all the niggers in this country. Its a great responsibility. God Bless America
HEBABAAHAHA WACISM HOW BIB WAIMI DEB AWAY WIB IDT!!!!!!!! NIGDERS
someone has the pasta of Michael Keaton talking about how he bleached all of Harlem in his youth? Forgot to save it the other day...
Truly a memorable line. You can tell they really make an effort to make Uncle Ben look as wise as possible.
Bland, drawn out origin story with a weak villain, that ultimately felt more like a Sci-Fi thriller than a superhero movie about Spider-Man. I especially didn't like the way they transitioned from Uncle Ben's death into Peter's Spider-Man outings, because it felt more like he was going after criminals on a personal vendetta than actually taking to heart that he had a responsibility to protect people.
>it felt more like he was going after criminals on a personal vendetta than actually taking to heart that he had a responsibility to protect people
I really recommend you watch this video user:
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Go away nigger
You're not kidding
Spider-Man
>"Remember, with great power comes great responsibility"
Amazing Spider-Man
>"You're a lot like your father. You really are Peter, and that's a good thing! But your father lived by a philosophy, a principle really. He believed that- that if you could do good things for other people you had a moral obligation to do those things! That's what's at stake here, not choice! Responsibility."
Captain America: Civil War
>"I've been me my whole life, and I've had these powers for 6 months. I read books, I build computers... and yeah, I would love to play football, but I couldn't then so I shouldn't now."
"Sure. 'Cause you're different."
"Exactly. But I can't tell anybody that, so I'm not. Look, when you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you."
I prefer Raimi because Ben there is speaking to, and evoking some higher good to try to appeal to Peter.
Garfieldman, Ben is trying to evoke his father to try to appeal to Peter. The first one is harder to argue with.
You can cut down Tom Holland's down
>when you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you.
which honestly isn't that convoluted, it just explicitly states the sentiments of the original saying so zoomers can understand
Raimi's version of "With white power, comes great responsibility" better. Simple. Effective. Thought provoking.
both Odyssey and Iliad skip the horse
>"With white power, comes great responsibility"
Based responsibility
It seems like how a teenager would express the concept. The ASM one is the silliest one to me. Somehow it almost seems like a parody of someone trying as hard as they can to say the phrase without just saying it.
I'm not an MCU-speak defender, and more convoluted/drawn out dialogue is in no way better - in fact it's usually worse - but I'm also aware that real people don't really speak in catchy aphorisms, even wise old guys. It depends on your register, though, of course. When I was a tiny kid Uncle Ben saying "With great power comes great responsibility" blew my fucking mind, but in retrospect it seems a little hammy and played out. Fortunately, these are kids movies, and both can work for kids. I'd say zoomers are conditioned to expect and relate to something more like the Civil War line.
It's too fucking long winded and verbose. "Without great power comes great responsibility " is concise, and therefore more impactful because it doesn't contain filler words that drown out the core message.
Only a faggot would use their superpowers to help people
With*
fuck I'm a retard
No, the new ones are shit and too wordy. Fuck off reddit
That was pretty much what Peter was doing until Uncle Ben died. It's why he's important.
Why? Helping people can be enjoyable.
This. I remember to clean out Bessie after Jamal is finished with her because it makes me feel good.
>Helping people can be enjoyable
Shut up, nerd. Abusing your powers is WAY more enjoyable.
No offense to HiTop, I've liked some of his videos, but I'm not a big fan of the arc that he's defending here. I like the idea more of Ben's death shocking Peter out of the selfish path he was going down, like in the Raimi films and the early comics, and impressing on him the idea that he needs to use his powers to help people, or people will get hurt. it dilutes the lesson of great power and great responsibility if you have this transitional period, and a lot of the Webb version felt like that: diluted and less flavorful, including Ben's very speech on the concept.
Technically you can do both. Classic Spider-Man actually fucked with Jameson all the time. Even webbed him to his chair once.
Depends on what you want. If someone can write capably they can make either work. Some scripts can have scenes where important conversations are incredibly tight and minimal, but impactful, yet have other scenes which are very wordy and free-flowing, but engaging. Both can have an intended affect. Many strings.
Well, at least Webb's version tries to be different.
Too long and drawn out and has a completely different meaning. The original to me meant needing to be responsible with your GREAT power and not being a douche.
Here, it feels more like if you can do nice things, not even important things, for people, you have to go out of your way do it or you're an asshole because of moral obligation.
I'm thinkin' I'm finna boutta dab on you
>Convoluted writer defends convoluted writing
Really makes me think
MCU version is different in a meaningful way. It has Peter express the concept himself, showing he's internalized the lesson, similar to how the original text box was not Uncle Ben's words to him, but what Peter realized from his death. Webb's version was just Ben saying the same thing and taking longer to say it, with added unnecessary stuff about Peter's birth father, who nobody in the history of the world has ever cared about.
I thought that subplot with his parents was pretty interesting
I'm still sad there isn't going to be a third movie
Without mention of power and responsibility, here, it seems to be saying that, morally speaking, saving someone's life is same level as giving a homeless guy 20 dollars. In fact, if you could have given the homeless guy 100 dollars but only gave 20, you're an asshole.
I would also like to add that, Homecoming just isn't the kind of movie you watch more than once. The Raimi films and the Webb films I've watched many times.
You say that version is different in a 'meaningful way' but to me, it just felt way too childish. Like one of those Disney high school movies except this one had better animation and better acting.
Not him but I gotta disagree with you there. I actually hated homecoming upon my initial viewing but I absolutely had a blast on my second one.
Glorious
hey man. uncalled for
>If it's more than ten words, I stop being able to understand it.
Fuck off, ESL
All of that aside you gotta admit the sequence when we first see that Vulture is Liz's dad and then the car ride to prom and the conversation where Vulture threatens Peter outside the school was pretty kino for a Disney kids film
There were a lot of things that I didn't agree with in Raimi's vision for Spiderman, for instance I found it a bit tasteless that he would use real terror footage for a kids movie so soon after the incident.
For like a few months, maybe a year or two. Eventually it would become tiresome like everything else
That face lol
I'm sorry for not delighting in adjectives and repetition
As shitty as the message was, it was still better then the version we got from Disney.
>we live in a timeline where ASM did something better than the MCU
Yeah I guess that scene was pretty cool
That's good though, it's not convoluted and it captures the essence of the character as an insecure zoomer.
>that webm
I guess you could say it's childish in the sense that it's about an actual kid, but it's not like the narrative or themes are any less complex from the Raimi films.
I thought the whole awkward surrogate father thing he has going on with Stark was a pretty nice touch, too.
Holy shit Raimi. WAY too soon.
I remember seeing this in the theater and laughing at this line. Like you can’t just say the line? You had to make it sound 50x more convuluted?
The thing is Raimi’s Spider-Man are never trying to go for realism. It’s always very much a heightened reality, movie world the characters inhabit. People don’t say proverbs like that in real life maybe, but Raimi was never interested in naturalism. He’s not fucking Kelly Reichardt.
>that long contrived line to prevent themselves from redoing the great power great responsibility mantra to seem more fresh
Literal Bendis speak
Yeah, exactly. It just depends on what the films going for. I think comparing the quippy faux '''realism'' of the MCU or the sort of teen '''drama''' '''naturalism'' of the Webb films to the hyperreal comic book world of Raimi's Spider-Man is silly. It's like Nolan vs Burton.
Just as a disclaimer, as much as I can appreciate why people like these films, and the way that they're made, I do think that they all suck, and the only superhero film I've seen that I found compelling as an adult was Logan. And Logan is just a well-made neo-Western with sci fi elements. meta-referential comic book beats. I'm not dogmatically close minded about this stuff, I'm not an elitist, I'm not someone who can only engage with arthouse or experimental cinema because of my pretentious pseudointellectual onanism. I've watched a bunch of these films, Marvel ones, DC ones, whatever, and I find that they're all just crap. Even as blockbusters, even as kids films. Just unforgivable garbage. Even ones I loved as a little kid, like Raimi's Spider-Man. Even the second Nolan Batman, which a lot of people seem to think is one of the greatest films of all time, is just...not really that impressive.