Why did the Matrix sequels suck so bad?
I just rewatched all of them and the first film is still fantastic on every rewatch, while Reloaded and Revolutions were a fucking bore to get through. Were they just missing that perfect blend of action and dialogue the first film had or was it something deeper?
Animatrix is still fantastic.
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The Wachowski Brothers directed the first movie
The Wacuckski sisters and some dominatrix directed the sequels
sequels are better than many think
>First movie is a fully contained story with a clear ending.
>2nd and 3rd movies were after thoughts and filmed at the same time to cash in on the Lord of the Rings phenomenon
Probably because they turned their hero into basically a fucking god, so they had to find ways to minimize or hamstring his powers in order to keep the story interesting. It's very, very difficult to write a story for such a character. Same reason Superman adaptations are so bad.
Reloaded is legit kino you fucking zoomer plen
I really love all those poorly CGI'd fight scenes and character destroying dialogue too.
Reloaded isn't terrible but it's a disappointing follow-up to a movie that didn't really need a sequel when the hero gained his godlike powers, just reducing him to another controlled trial ruins the whole point of the first film.
I haven’t seen them in a while but I hated all the Zion shit with them at a rave party or whatever it was.
This plus the reduced role of Morpheus in the sequels and that dumb Zion council really made them weak to me, not to mention we get like 10 seconds to see the humans actually celebrate their long awaited victory.
It's obvious. Authors dumbed down submatrix plot so normies would get it, but forgot to reshoot the scenes being busy transitioning to fag.
not the hardest. Just don't be a leftist and get triggered by christ parallel that is bound to come in. That's why the critics get trigged by Snyder's superman. Bet if he were to have a moslim beard and turban it would a 100% rating on every site
Muslim comic book is boring and full of goat and lol fucking. I don't see the appeal, but then, I am not a fucking muslim nigger
The sequels were designed for higher IQ individuals so most people hate them.
Yeah, its because of leftists and not because its shit. Just like new ghostbusters were badly received because evil gaymers plot.
The sequels had some pretty good scenes but a lot of it was downright corny.
Savior analogy was the last of these movies problem.
No it isn't.
A dominatrix woman took control of one of the brothers and influenced him.
No joke, the one tranny brother got heavy into dominatrix play and fell in love with her and she changed the plots by adding her own ideas.
Buck angel the ex lover of the dominatrix revealed this
The Wachowskis are tranny hacks. They got lucky with the first film. They hit a sci-fi kino zeitgeist and were way out of their depth with the sequels.
>the movie isn't shit, it's just lefties with their hate of religion!
>the movie isn't shit, it's just racist trump supporters!
Same shit, different assholes.
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I'm one of those weird people who really like the sequels, but I do feel their biggest problem is that their simply not as elegant as the first one.
The Wachowskis spent at least five years editing and refining the script for the Matrix. If you read some of the earlier drafts you see a lot of the clunky, corny stuff that's all over the sequels that thankfully either got condensed or excised entirely. In the first Matrix there is not a single ounce of wasted fat. Every cut is precisely where it needs to be to keep the momentum and rhythm going and not dwell on anything a moment longer than is needed to get the point across. Dialogue is expedient and to the point while being natural and earnestly delivered enough to hide that a sizeable chunk is just exposition hiding in plain sight. Hell, the whole second quarter of the film is almost exclusively exposition, but it's woven into interesting visuals, action, and us vicariously learning through Neo's own constant expressions of wonder and bewilderment that creates a sense of relentless discovery. This is all augmented by the Wachowskis precise control of pure filmmaking aesthetic thanks to an extensive, shot by shot storyboarding process they had to do to even get funding for the film.
Contrast this with the sequels...
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The Wachowskis are keen to branch out and dive into deeper, more complex philosophical questions, but the problem is that, while the questions in the first movie are very easily dramatized by the very premise of the film, things like choice, free will, determinism, the nature of consciousness and love, are not. Coupled with the fact that both films were written within the span of about two years and we're left with a clear segregation of message and narrative where the philosophy can only be expounded upon through stopping the story and explaining it, and because it's so dense shit can't be going on around it or else the audience is overloaded, so it's all done in barebones shot reverse shot style dialogue with stiff, unnatural blocking. Action is the same way barring maybe the freeway chase because with Neo's growth being almost all in his abstract understanding of what being the one means you can't really dramatize that in action the way you could his growth in the first film, which means the narrative grinds to a halt for action the same way it does for philosophy.
Ultimately this means that in the sequels a scene either develops character, explains philosophy, or has action, which creates a sense of disjointedness and lack of proper narrative flow that the first film seems to pull off so effortlessly precisely because the Wachowskis took the time to really hash it out so that every scene could combine those three elements into one to both convey what they want while keeping that page count down. I firmly believe the issue with the sequels wasn't the craft or even the ideas, but simply a lack of time in the conceptual department to make all of their desperate ideas coalesce into a cohesive, elegant whole.
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>If you read some of the earlier drafts you see a lot of the clunky, corny stuff that's all over the sequels that thankfully either got condensed or excised entirely
Can you give examples?
> there was never meant to be a third movie.
They only had a plan for a second movie and the studio made them stretch it out
Matrix 1 is OT
Matrix 2 is Prequels 1-2
Matrix 3 is Prequel 3
the hormone therapy fucked with their creative process obviously.
The Matrix Reloaded is still the best action movie of all time. It's wall to wall insane action.
the oracle clearly stated that neo was not the one. therefore, the sequels are either noncanon, or they never escaped the matrix and were always part of it including all the fights and other cringey stuff
>Probably because they turned their hero into basically a fucking god, so they had to find ways to minimize or hamstring his powers in order to keep the story interesting
It's just a problem of lacking imagination.
>we have a guy who's basically hacking life itself and can do literally anything
>let's just have him punch people in the face real fast
They weren't this creatively bankrupt in the first part.
And the third ruins it. Thats whats sad about it. The third ruins the good will of the first two
And after you watch reloaded a few times. You realize how shitty the plot is. The story is paper thin.
The merovingian says a lot if nonsense.
The zion scenes are annoying.
The architect is overly complicated
No. No, the first one makes it clear he is and she lied.
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Examples throughout, mostly flabbier dialogue, extraneous scenes that don't provide any super useful information, reeeeallly questionable attempts at humor.
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> She nods then climbs out of the van. Gizmo ogles the tight leather pants.
> Gizmo: "Goddamn what I wouldn't give for a copy of that software."
> Trinity turns around.
> Trinity: "Gizmo you don't have the hardware to handle this software."
The third was a disappointment, but the final fight between Neo/Smith stood out to me. I remember thinking the scale was way too small. They should have been flying around in space, throwing asteroids and body slammng each other into the sun. Missed opportunity.
This for sure. At the very least they should have never given him the ability to fucking fly.
They should have also added something along the lines that it was mentally exhausting to do things like stop bullets midair etc. so that it was limited or something.
That's probably because they had no genuine idea where to actually take it. They had ideas only for one movie and were dumbfounded after it became a hit and had to to more.
Matrix should had been left as a stand alone movie.
That's hilarious
She literally says he's the one to his face:
Oh for fucks sake
No. They did have an idea for a second movie only. The studio made them crap out a third movie out of that one script
Timestamp didn't work, relevant quote is at 5:15.
What was up with that weird sweaty dance orgy scene they added in the second or third movie
They focused way too much on making it a sci-fi movie. What I mean is that they took out most of the fight scenes, dialogue, and urban scenery and replaced it with robots and space ships.
At this point she became utterly useless and shouldn't have existed in the first place. She couldn't have been wrong because she wasn't meant to due her powers. Altering her just to make Neo fit into the story turns Reloaded and Revolutions into an alternate universe
And those both condensed to one would have somehow been better? A single sequel based on that same material would have been bad no matter what.
They didn't know how to integrate the philosophical ideas into the story so you had a lot of characters monologuing about them in addition to already delivering exposition.
They also dropped the noir cinematography so visually, they're pretty boring.
actually the first one was shadow directed by joel silver
I watched the first film once a week for six months after it came out, and had sex with my one and only female partner accompanied by the track from Zion in 2003. Yes, I was one of *those* people; mainly because I'd been using Linux since 1997 at that point.
I liked Reloaded, though to nowhere near the same degree. Revolutions on the other hand is on about the same level as Star Trek Nemesis. Awesome production values and a couple of decent scenes, but garbage for the most part. They also tried far, far too hard to give head to George Lucas.
The Animatrix is basically masturbation material for weeaboos and sick freaks with cyborg fetishes, and I am neither of those, so I could take it or leave it. A couple of the shorts are ok, but several of them are just legal attempts to simulate an LSD trip for people who haven't had the real thing, which I have.
The sequels wouldn't have been so bad if they'd cast Nicolas Cage as Neo and let him go Wicker Man insane in them.
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good times
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>It's just a problem of lacking imagination.
This is the motto of people who've never had to worry about implementation.
Why do you say that about George Lucas
Sounds like something a brainlet would say