Chernobyl

What was that exactly? Fire?

Shit if I were there I would just jump in at that point and hope I got super powers.

they're literally staring right at the nuclear core as it melts down

The reactor core burning, the graphite more specifically

It would be like jumping in lava at this point, it's even hotter than lava in fact

do you taste metal, comrade?

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The Terror reunion with based Jared Harris and Hickey!

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a critical nuclear reaction exposed to air

somthing like 2500 celcius

I don't know much about nuclear energy but isn't the nuclear core consists of fuel rods which is heavy metal, how does it makes it lethal when it melts?

? Because of radiation ? Radiation is so intense it generates heat + graphite is close to coal, it can burn with oxygen and high amounts of heat

There are fuel rods and control rods (graphite). The control rods slow down the reaction rate and keep everything nice and safe. If they are melting and on fire then something has gone very very wrong and the nuclear reaction is out of control.

Control rods are made of boron carbide what has graphite to do with control rods ?

basically once a nuclear reaction starts it can "run away" and get so hot that the fuel (radioactive metal used to make the reaction) melts.

What happened at this plant is that the design was flawed so when the control rods were inserted all the way (a scram) to stop the reaction , at the very end it actually caused a massive energy spike. So massive it got hot and jammed the rods.

When the rods jammed the reaction ran away , and got so hot it caused a hydrogen explosion which blew the roof off. Then the water boiled away and when the air met the core there was a much larger thermal explosion from fast escape neutrons. TLDR it got so hot it just exploded.

the remaining core sat there white hot and melted down for a few days after that.

anybody who saw it died

Nah not everybody, pictures were taken from helis

So basically when the reaction is that hot it's just pouring huge amounts of radiation in every direction.

A nuclear driven fire. The graphite used was flammable so remove core lid and all the water and you have lots of oxygen + heat from the radiation = lots of fire.

The control rods in Chernobyl used graphite in their design. It's one of the reasons why no one does anymore.

not when it was melting down

Could you explain why everyone thought that it was impossible for an RMBK reactor to explode? Wikipedia is telling me that the RMBK reactor design wasn’t used in other countries outside of the Soviet Union due to concerns over its design. So what made the Soviet nuclear engineers not consider the possibility that reactor no.4 had exploded until they saw it with their own eyes?

Both Dylatov and Fomin seemed pretty confident when they stated that a core explosion was impossible. Even Sitnikov, the guy who thought it had exploded, said he couldn’t explain how exactly the core had exploded.

It's the other way around, radiation is generating the heat, not heat generating radiation

The control rods were tipped with graphite
The rods themselves are made of boron, a neutron absorber, which is how they control reactor output because they absorb neutrons and slow down the reaction.
Graphite's a neutron moderator, it doesn't absorb or reflect neutrons, which isn't a problem in and of itself but the reactor core is full of water, which is a neutron absorber.
So when they dropped the control rods in the caused a power spike, and they were already at what you could call the reactors red line when it happened and it sent it into criticality.

Yes but it was only the displacer part, the control rods themselves were boron carbide powder, hence the name.

wish granter

>anybody who saw it died
WTF I just opened the webm

ya basically think of it as a flashlight. its radiating "light" in every direction (in this case up). If you see it , you are fucked.

In the show they showed a light beam emitting out vertically. This was likely cherenkov radiation directly blasting out from the core like a flashlight

Yes there were pictures from helis where you can see the red glowing core still melting

À reactor can't explose like a nuke but a hydrogen explosion can happen, though the process of hydrogen generation is quite complex and requires knowledge in chemistry, something they probably lacked, anyway, when you're facing this kind of event you tend to seek for the most simple explanation and try not to overthink

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cheeki breeki

It wasn't cherenkov radiation which very rarely happens outside of dense mediums like water.
It was a ionized beam of particles emitting light (light was reflected on all the particles spewed by the fire)

As someone who's about to watch this series, how accurate is it so far, both historically and technically?

redhot is not melting.

white hot is melting

There's not much on the technical side right now, probably next episode. But it follows the testimonies (with a bit of drama) as they were told

only downside is british accents and a soviet soldier frog marching a scientist against his will to his death to check to confirm if the reactor is fucked

Lava is red and still melted tho
Something can also be white hot and not melting
The temperatures in the core were closer to 1300C as it's the temperature at which corium is formed, mineral analysis proved it too.

Well the book it's based upon is very good on both. It's basically a docu-drama and the author did his research well.

>though the process of hydrogen generation is quite complex and requires knowledge in chemistry
How so? Understanding hydrogen gas production from steam being super heated or from Zirconium oxidation only requires high school chemistry.

The picture I'm talking about was taken the very morning of the 26th, the core was still melting + it melted thorough the concrete floor less than a week later

So yes, red hot = melting, we're not talking about a kitchen knife here

So the rods in the nuclear core composed of different chemical elements so how they bind all the elements together while producing the rods? It sounds like cool shit to learn about in chemistry

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I'm not sure high school chemistry is enough to take in account the chemical kinetics inside a nuclear core and determining the exact temperature and rate at which hydrogen was generated and if it could have ignited and blown up the 2000 tons concrete lid.

These people are nuclear engineers in state of shock and trying to figure out what's happening in the instant, I'm not sure they could have come to this conclusion without any other clue.

+ understanding high school level oxidation is something, putting it into practice in a live nuclear reactor without data is another story mister chemist.

>sent into criticality...
Kill yourself.

?? There are different kind of rods
Fuel rods are simply uranium dioxide while control rods are just boron carbide, nothing fancy on a chemical stand point

Why do they all have posh British accents?

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He's somewhat right, physicists recently argued that the core had a prompt criticality event when the rods were inserted, that's why the power increased more than a hundred times (the indicator spiked at 300 000 MW, 100 times the maximum thermal rating of the core)

How do you make quick webms? I searched but my brains kind of small

they have the podcast up already, i was kinda half listening but it seems like the people they brought in just couldnt do the accent right so they decided against it
youtube.com/watch?v=rUeHPCYtWYQ

bigger question is how politically biased and agenda pushing is it? what i mean is, i don't want to be told in so many words that nuclear power is bad. i just want to watch a solid documentary about what the fuck happened and how the russians screwed up if they did.

in all honesty the accents grew on me. ive dehumanized russian accents and probably would have been giggling like a schoolgirl every time they said cyka blyat. this made me relate to it more because they sounded human instead of slav

Quite easy. Start with a lump of material of known properties then mill it into the desired shape.

Critical=stable

One fission reaction creates one more fission reaction. Give reactor was extremely super critical. ie one fission creates 1000 fissions. Therefore increasing in power

the producer/director/some bigwig said they are pro nuclear
based on the first episode its gonna be more about the politics behind reacting to the disaster that made the disaster extra bad
its not a documentary at all. its a tv drama based on true events

So basically, are you saying the answer for “why the Soviet nuclear engineers didn’t realize the core had exploded” is “hydrogen gas blew up the reactor core building but no one considered it initially because hydrogen gas production is a complex process that low level engineers wouldn’t have considered”?

>The one guy holding the door open then noticing his cast shadow cast from the radiation
>The other guy in the spooky kino scene looking in from the roof and his face blood red after

Man. HBO can make some top quality shit. Fuck what got has become.

SOVIET VERY BAD WANTS TO SEND POOR WORKER TO DIE
RADIOACTIVITY GODLIKE ELEMENT THAT KILLS ON SIGHT

shit like that.

The guy whose hand melts 2 minutes after touching graphite never happened, Yuvchenko's hip instantly disintegrating after being close to the reactor room never happened if you read his testimony, the forest turning red took months to happen, in the serie it happens in just a few hours

Birds randomly dying in the sky never happened
So yeah, it's very anti nuclear by making radiation look much worse than it really is

ah, ok. i might give it a try then if it isn't someone wanting to push their political beliefs down my throat. i am personally pro nuclear as well but i still hate it when people push, even if i agree.

So what angle are they taking on this? Nukes bad or commies bad? I need to know whether I'm supposed to hate it or love it.

You're not teaching me anything new, now go read articles about what prompt criticality is

So 28 deaths was just a meme, was the death toll a higher?

Seems more like group think to me. Ask someone to prove how something happened t+5min that people still debate today. With enough time they probably could have come up with possible reasons the core expressed

its more about fuck bureaucracy

>flawed
The design was not flawed. The people in charge were just so astonishingly retarded they did everything they could to make it fail on purpose. It literally couldn't have happened accidentally.

Gay

Many things could have gone wrong without destroying the reactor, now explain me how they could have though about a hydrogen explosion with the little data they had at 1:23 ?

It's too easy to talk like an expert when you've got all data and conclusions at hand 33 years later

Oh and for your info :we still aren't sure if it was really a simple hydrogen explosion

Prompt critical means that the fast neurons are controlling SUR. Prompt critical=/=accident necessarily

vlc has a clipper feature that can cut out anything from a movie file. then theres plenty of webm for retards programs that will convert a file into a webm of whatever filesize you want

Stop jacking off the soviet union retard, the reactor was so unsafe no new RBMK was ever built, the design was discontinued and the existing ones extensively modernized to try correcting the existing flaws

they seriously coiuldn't get british actors that could do an actual russian accent?

>causing positive reactivity addition when SCRAMing reactor=/= flawed
How can toy see through those rose colored glasses?

Does anyone know what mistake they made? When the two guys are trying to turn the valves and one of them starts crying saying they messed up. Although I'm assuming it'll probably be something in addressed in a later episode, I'm not sure if I missed anything or not.

This

Prompt critical in a BWR like an RBMK meant the generation of too much steam, bubbles in the water, then at this point the positive void coefficient kicked in and the cycle continues, nothing could have stopped the reactor when it went prompt critical, that's why despite the rest of the rods falling down it exploded

Gotcha, thanks for taking the time to explain it to a brainlet user

Read the wikipedia article. You will probably have to follow some rabbit holes to fully understand the jargon. But basically they were operating the reactor in a very unsafe condition before the accident. (Not told in the show yet)

running the test in the first place was the mistake as there was indicators the reactor wasnt running right. they didnt show that in the show but its covered in documentaries.

What's really funky is during the crisis, the other reactor at Chernobyl was still manned and running.

Personally I use a webm encode plugin script on MPV that lets you specify the start and the end from current playing file

Thanks. I'll go ahead and look more into it then

Yep, the subject is so complex that despite having analyzed the data from the SKALA computer (the process computer that monitored the reactor 24/7 with tons of readings from inside the core) no one has ever come up with a final explanation about what exactly made the reactor explode
So you can't expect engineers to find that just hours after the accident with close to no info

F

Nuclear power is safe, until it isnt.
Three mile island was a meltdown, the fuel fell to the bottom of the containment vessel and it took years before they finally were able to defuel it and clean it up.
If the hydrogen bubble in the containment vessel had exploded, Harrisburg, PA would have suffered the same fate as Pripyat, Ukraine.

BWR= negative void coeff

RBMK=positive void coeff

If the control rods didn't add positive reactivity, due to shit graphite tips, then the SCRAM possibly could have been the only safety measure taken.

And could have blown up if the deputy chief engineer of reactor 3 didn't order his team to SCRAM it hours after the accident.

about 15 minutes before the explosion, the guy who kept saying the radiation is much higher and trying to tell his higher up guys was basically getting threatened if they didnt run the test. but the reactor also had flaws the scientists didnt know about so to them, it couldn't have exploded if it were actually operating and acting as it was supposed to be on paper. i liked that they emphasized that bit.

Definitely, having background knowledge really adds to the show imo

RBMKs are BWR reactors, you're probably mistaking them with PWR which have indeed a negative void coefficient

>X is safe until it isn't
you don't say my good sir.

The immediate aftermath death toll was 31.

But radiation exposure damages your DNA and has long term effects. Loads of cancer and birth defects in the people who were exposed, years and even decades later.

I've done this a few times but it always says the filetype in unsupported, despite unchecking audio when I convert it. I assume you have to make a separate webm for boards that don't allow audio, right? Or is there a script that disables audio on this board and my webms are just fucked up some other way?

t. Waterbrain zipperhead gub gub retard

I took it as the guy didnt know what went wrong, but he knew somewhere along the line he/his team was responsible for a horrible disaster. he felt guilty and was trying to atone by suicide mission with the water valves

It's all dependent on the moderator.

Graphite moderator=pos coeff
H20 moderator=neg coeff

Literally the second sentence in wikipedia on void coeff

they keep saying:
>use the good meter in the safe
did they seriously only have one good meter at a nuclear power plant and had to lock it in a safe?

ive only made 1 webm ever and it just werked. sorry Senpai

They obviously were running an absolute shit show

Maybe, but it's not over 100 people. Nuclear power is incredibly safe, the Boeing 737 Max has killed more people.

That's in the serie, IRL they thought putting the feedwater back online would have saved the reactor.
That's the kind of drama they added

>youtu.be/ITEXGdht3y8
documentary that'll explain things more including the mistake

even at 3.6 that means something is quite wrong, nothing else is typically needed

>If the hydrogen bubble in the containment vessel had exploded, Harrisburg, PA would have suffered the same fate as Pripyat, Ukraine

But it didn’t, that’s the point. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong at Three Mile Island, and nobody died.

no in fact all the meters were good, they were just oblivious to what was actually happening. the meters they had were only good to a low range and the amount of radiation being released was FAR beyond what they could measure so they literally burned out and "the good" meters were ones meant to read much higher ranges. when they finally use a good one it still reads an impossible amount of radiation so they think they're all broken when fact they're all working fine. the higher ups just think what actually happened is impossible and everyone is being dumb and hysterical

Thanks I'll check them out. I tried the VLC clipper but it seems to be a bit inaccurate and cuts off the first second or two of the specified recording

They vented the hydrogen into the atmosphere, no chance of explosion.

Three mile was 100% human errors

You can pretty much make any safe system unsafe simply with human errors, the plant itself was safe, the confinement served it's purpose as a proof.

Just like an anti virus nowadays can protect you from everything except yourself, same applies to any safety system

It actually wasn't human error, they were operating illegally.

Wat

>They vented the hydrogen into the atmosphere, no chance of explosion.
They actually didn't know how big the bubble was. It was so serious that president carter showed up in person to give the public some sense of assurance despite the extreme risk. Afterwards they did find out the risk was low after all, but at that time they were already evacuating harrisburg.

That’s sort of echoed in how they keep asking what the dosimeters read but don’t wait to find out they’re being told that they’re effectively burying the needle.

>Afterwards they did find out the risk was low after all, but at that time they were already evacuating harrisburg.

So basically what you’re saying was that there was little risk and that officials overly reacted?

>operating illegally isn't human error

i read this on wikipedia a week ago so take this with a grain of salt
according to whatever government nuclear authority you could not turn off the backup emergency water valves while the reactor was running. they turned the valves off. when the reactor started to get fucked up an automatic system tried to get water from the backup water tanks but the valves were turned off so it couldnt. they were illegally running the reactor with the backup emergency valves off. i still think this counts as human error because some human made the error to turn the valves off in the first place

>So basically what you’re saying was that there was little risk and that officials overly reacted?
No, the engineers were giving them data based on calculations and the numbers were not good. They didn't have a good way to measure the bubble directly. Its kinda like making the decision for the space shuttle.....do you abort or let them go into space with the possibility of a hole in the wing? Well we know how that came out when they guessed wrong.

>Well we know how that came out when they guessed wrong.

But everything worked out in the end and nobody died

>our faith in soviet socialism will always be rewarded
>if the state says the situation here is not dangerous then have faith
>if people ask questions that are simply not in their best interest then they should be told to keep their minds on their labor and leave matters to the state
>cut the phone lines
>prevent the people from leaving
>that's how we keep the people from undermining the fruits of their labor
holy shit. absolute loyalty in the state and complete government control.

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kek

>But everything worked out in the end and nobody died
Because it was a safe design, General Electric, just like Fukishima Daaich.

That shit fucking terrified me.

Well, it was a totalitarian state, what else did you expect?
The entire history of the USSR goes like that

Hey Vladimir, wasn't there a reactor here earlier?

Fucking hell.

God

Captain Marvel

Marcellus Wallace’s soul.

I had completely forgotten but based BTN notified me about it. Just started it and enjoying it already.

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Vogtle just got capped and will be coming online soon. Finally some new plants

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I remember the Russian Film whatever the fuck being critical of Death of Stalin but admitting it was better to have them speak in their native accents then butcher a Russian one.

monolit

yeah same with me. just absolute faith in the state to do no wrong. gave up all personal freedom and liberties to the state. but then again what could they do. their ancestors gave it up and they're stuck living in that nightmare.

>Pressurized Water Reactor

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Got em

xmediarecode is free and fairly simple - 5 min youtube vid and you can make webms of any size

Yeah, but MSR will always be too expensive due to their small scale. CANDU or PWRs are the way to go.

Them niggas dead.

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Whats with this shit quality, please refrain from posting.

That's from an older docudrama.

its what went wrong that they didnt show in the ep dunce

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I wonder how NK compares.

It's still shit quality. I have that in better quality.

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And your better solution?

youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

LFTR's are too expensive, they can't compete with natural gas. Also, the market distortion of solar, and wind prohibits their use in a modular deployment.

i would say slightly worse. nk is doing everything the soviets did but nk treats their glorious leader as some sort of deity.

I don't know fuckall about Chernobyl history, how (((adapted))) is the truth in the show?

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Mostly just dramatised. They exaggerate how immediately deadly the effects of the accident were. The stuff about it potentially destroying a whole continent is total bs.

>Loved the radioactive particles floating
post webm

there is a good doc on youtube. crazy when you see all the workers they basically sent to their deaths to fix their fuck up

It's anti-nuclear propaganda, and it's exactly the shit we don't need right now. If solar and wind are allowed to increase in market share, this planet is environmentally fucked.

Has anyone ever been? The tours look pretty cool

Carcosa

Man, last year i read a huge ass article on Chernobyl and they mentioned the story of a woman who lived near the site. She was going to visit her parents that day and when she stepped out of the train to see them waiting for her in the platform, the first thing they did was throw away the cake she'd brought and tell her that shit went down at Chernobyl and she had to be quarantined. The woman had no idea until then because the government didn't spread the news to anyone who lived around Chernobyl due to fear of mass panic.
I wonder if they'll include this in the show. I haven't seen it yet and I hope it isn't too fictional

the only element of anti-nuke that you can make from the show so far is that it went critical. outside of that nothing in the show even hints at nuclear power being bad. there hasn't been any (((THEY))) hints or drops. if anything, its been heavy drops about the state being retarded.

this. I think what they're going for is the damage that can be done when nobody wants to admit the emperor has no clothes.

Liberal brainlets are already anti-nuke, this stuff just reinforces their confirmation bias.

The design was absolutely flawed, but it's also true that they performed the "test" in the most dangerous, harebrained way possible (as was typical in the USSR due to the deep institutional problems). The transcript of the Politburo meeting after the disaster pretty much tells you everything you need to know:

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How can renewables compete with natural gas? They also seem pretty expensive.

I don't think you've watched it lol. The guy running this show has explicitly stated that he supports nuclear energy.

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it was good. Not sure how much they will keep my focus on this show. Feels a bit too doom and gloom.
interesting tho. the vfx are solid.

It's quite accurate. They omitted or changed a few things for the sake of time/storytelling, but there doesn't appear to be any agenda behind it.
Some will argue it's anti-nuclear propaganda, but that's only because normies unfortunately don't understand how nuclear power works.
If there is any underlying message to the show it's an anti-USSR message, but even then there is an emphasis on the patriotic sacrifices made by the people there.

Check out and/or watch vid related

youtube.com/watch?v=ITEXGdht3y8

Renewables cause market distortion that prohibit the use of any other baseline energy than fossil fuels. Renewables will greatly accelerate climate change due to market forces.

It was relatively unforgiving, being administrated by commie slavs sealed its fate. If it was run by actual people it would have never catastrophically failed.

so those dudes are dead right
didnt the reactor core melt through like the fucking floor into the basement?

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was nice shitposting with ya

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Important to note that the patriotic sacrifices are stories exaggerated or entirely fabricated by the soviets, such as the 'three divers' who 'gave their lives'.

How do they distort the market in a way that nuclear energy can't also do?

The burning rector core and their own mortality

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It's literally burning uranium. You're breating in uranium dust and other fission product.

Lost to the Zone.

Because nuclear energy is efficient as fuck
A nuclear power plant has 60-80% efficiency, a solar has like 15% and that's if the weather is perfect

Why did Harris kill himself?

so? with or without this they still would be REEEing because they hate nukes and nothing will change that. what matters most is the fact that this show is actually giving nuclear energy the benefit of the doubt. they're not even going as far as an atom sized hint so far in any anti-nuclear power agenda. they're really just focusing on how the design could have been faulty and how horrible the state managed it.

this thread alone is proof about it as nearly everyone here is going on about the state and the design.

Even worse
It costs ~$300/Watt and has a 5% efficienxy

youtube.com/watch?v=M3CpFECnq4s

You're talking out of your ass
That's perhaps if we were in the 20th century
the other user has a good estimate
t. EEfag

Dodge Vipers have 10L V10's and only produced 500HP, at the same time Porsche could get 800HP out of 2.0L. As technology progresses, efficiency of solar and tidal power will increase- nuclear waste will take thousands of years to fuck off.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)

>obey orders
>don't question your superiors
damn imagine living during that time

It did, but the radiation effects were surprisingly variable. One guy could stand in a deeply irradiated spot for half an hour and end up okay, while his colleague, who propped a contaminated door 30 cm away from him, ended up with deep tissue damage. A lot depended on how much irradiated stuff you directly touched.

Well if you don’t obey them they will just shot you.

its actually less than 10%. on a good day.

Germany is the poster child for disasterous energy policy. They set out to be zero emissions by 2050, and at their current rate, because of wind and solar, their carbon output will be double, than when they started. They are building 40 new coal plants to power their wind farms.

How dumb

The problem is you can't realistically supply enough power for what humans need on renewables alone for at least 50-100 more years, and not only that but they cost a shit ton

>thorium meme
No one has ever gotten thorium to fission in a way that could be used to generate electricity. It's a sham.

50-100 years is implying someone invents a battery technology that can support the grid. It simply isn't going to happen, not even in 10,000 years.

Thorium is absolutely usable in CANDU reactors.

>The 2007 plan to build 26 new coal plants[12] is controversial in light of Germany's commitment to curbing emissions.[13] By 2015, the growing share of renewable energy in the national electricity market (26% in 2014, up from 4% in 1990) and the government's mandated CO2 emission reduction targets (40% below 1990 levels by 2020; 80% below 1990 levels by 2050) have increasingly curtailed previous plans for new, expanded coal power capacity.[14][15]
???
The plans for the 26 new coal plants (not 40) were made 12 years ago, long before Fukushima and the nuclear phase-out.

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Then why don't they use it?

>Because nuclear energy is efficient as fuck
>A nuclear power plant has 60-80% efficiency,

Lol no that's total bullshit, If we could reach even 50% it would probably solve quite a lot of energy problems we're facing now.
Current reactors have a 30-35% efficiency, next gen are expected to reach 40-45% at best.
Comparatively, internal combustion engines also have a 35-38% efficiency rate

To produce 1000 MW of electric energy a nuclear reactor produces at least 3000 MW of heat.

Exactly
Nuclear is the way to go, you can find ways to 100% nullify waste faster and cheaper than you can to sustain the planet on renewables
Unless we are granted a technology that literally puts electricity out of market, there is simply nothing outside of the realm of scifi that can support renewable energy

>nuclear waste will take thousands of years to fuck off
that nice you ignore the fact how toxic solar panels are to make along with lithium ion batteries. a lot of toxic waste from solar panel manufacturing will linger around for hundreds of years. at least with nuclear, in the US at least, we built a giant underground facility in nevada that can house today and the next 1000 years worth of waste. but sadly got shut down by obama administration because of a bunch of indians in nevada didn't want it as they viewed it as "destroying" their land.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository
>The Government Accountability Office stated that the closure was for political, not technical or safety reasons.[

Uranium is cheap as fuck right now.

try telling any hippie how horrible the process is to make batteries for their priuses. they wont believe you.

Doesn't produce muh bludonium :DDdd for nukes
Uranium still quite cheap
Greenfags are simply to retarded to accept new research on fission reactors and chinese wind turbines/solar panel manufacturers don't want the nuclear energy to ruin their growing business where they're selling the most, that is the west.

Is Jared Harris the best actor in the world, past, present and future? Maybe

It's actually 40, wait a few years till they finally have to publicly admit it.

Assuming it's based on the real event it's probably Viktor Proskuryakov and Aleksandr Kudryavtsev. They were told to try and manually scram scram the reactor by dropping the control rods. Which is stupid because if they hadn't dropped already they weren't going to drop with anything two random dudes could do. Two other men eventually found them and went to the core. Alexander Yuvchenko found the men and they all went to the core. While Yuvchenko stayed to hold the door open the other two went inside, looked over a railing and realised they were looking into the actual core of the reactor. There might have been a 4th man Valeriy Perevozchenko with them, the sources are a bit sketchy.
Yuvchenko survived after a major hospitalisation. Proskuryakov, Kudryavtsev and Perevozchenko (regardless of if he was with them at that monent), were tanned by the radiation. They all died within weeks.

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typecasted

Canada has no nuclear weapons program, dumbass. So tell me again, if thorium is such a magic meme material why isn't it being used in CANDU reactors?
Spoilers: because it doesn't work.

Yeah, he's up there, fantastic.

>nuclear waste will take thousands of years to fuck off.

That's an absolutely retarded argument

The longer the half life, the more stable an element is, thus the less radioactive it is.
The problem with nuclear waste is that it's made of heavy metals and could pollute the soils, but in that regard I think I'd be much more concerned about eating mercury contaminated fishes than a bunch of barrels burried deep underground.

>One point of concern has been the standard of radiation emission from 10,000 years to 1,000,000 years into the future. On August 9, 2005, the United States Environmental Protection Agency proposed a limit of 350 millirem per year for that period.[44] In October 2007, the DOE issued a draft of the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement in which it shows that for the first 10,000 years mean public dose would be 0.24 mrem/year and that thereafter to 1,000,000 years the median public dose would be 0.98 mrem/year, both of which are substantially below the proposed EPA limit. For comparison, a hip x-ray results in a dose around 83 mrem and a CT head or chest scan results in around 1,110 mrem.[45] Annually, in the United States, an individual's doses from background radiation is about 350 mrem, although some places get more than twice that.
>Because of construction delays, a number of nuclear power plants in the United States have resorted to dry cask storage of waste on-site indefinitely in steel and concrete casks.[12]
just wow. reading the opposition about it really does boil down to political. they really want to make it hard to do nuclear energy and want to keep it as dangerous as they can for they can use that against nuclear energy. just utterly ridiculous.

and for nevadians, i'm sorry, its fucking nevada. 90% of the state is virtually uninhabitable regardless of nuclear testing.

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No, it does work, but uranium is cheaper. CANDUs can run on anything

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>Canada has no nuclear weapons program, dumbass.

And non nuclear countries can't build nuclear reactors as they like, it's a heavily regulated industry, look what shitfest it is when a shithole wants to build a small research reactor.

+ it doesn't invalidate my other points, nuclear research costs billions, you gotta have some serious political support and need for breeder reactors to put that much money in them

>could pollute the soils
which is why we want to store it in a barren desert that's uninhabited in nevada. but keep getting denied due to politics from idiots who don't want any nuclear anything.

So then why do they use mememium?
Spoilers: because it doesn't work

>ask for sources
>it's a hidden conspiracy, guise!
Every fucking time.

Chernobyl and Fukushima have made it really hard to hold any reasonable public debate about the nuclear energy. It was difficult even before it because people associate everything nuclear with nuclear weapons, but now it's even worse. It's pretty difficult to convince people that this incredibly dangerous process actually isn't dangerous at all as long as your power plant isn't run by Soviets or hit by a tsunami.

Does the show try to make the scale of the disaster seem worse than it really was? Less than 50 people have died since the disaster/cleanup/side effects but often the story is touted as if thousands of people perished

CANDUs aren't breeders, you fuckwit.

What an asshole

This one might be Valeriy Perevozchenko. It seems like Perevozchenko, Proskuryakov and Kudryavtsev were the three guys who saw the core and died, in addition to some workers and firefighters who went up to the roof and all got fatal radiation that probably also saw the core from above while doing that.

Uranium is $25 lb
Thorium is $5000 Kg

And CANDU reactors aren't meant to run on thorium specifically, thorium reactors are either molten salt or breeder reactors, so fuck off with that only example.

midichlorians

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> hit by a tsunami.
you mean, hit by a tsunami with a 500ft wave AND a large earthquake simultaneously. along with breaking its backup generators for coolant.

Did he die?

*claims your stash*

It's not a conspiracy bro, they claim they are taking old plants off line and building 26 new ones. This is not the case. It is 26 new ones, and the old ones have to be kept online with new retrofits. That's over 40 new plants, from when they started.

50 died as an immediate result of the reactor explosion and resulting nuclear fire. Thousands did eventually die later from cancer and other long term complictions. People are still dying today from complictions from Chernobyl, particularly in Belarussia where children were exposed to radioactive cessium early in life.

I can't watch it cuz they all talk in English, it's immersion breaking

what am I looking at?

the core just burning?

A got thread dies for this

>500 ft wave

doubt.png, they were measured at 50 ft

So then mememium is economically unviable as well. Good to know.

None of that is true.

yes, molten core

>molten salt reactor
>a single drop of water gets into the coolant loop
>entire reactor explodes
Genius

> A series for an English speaking audience has English speaking actors.
You'd have to be a special kind of autistic to hate on a show for that.

The argument could be made that no matter how well designed or safe on paper a reactor is the possibility of a massive, environment changing disaster is simply too great a risk. I have no objection to the technology but it is hard to believe that given enough time human error or a freak act of God wouldn't cause another disaster. If I could be convinced that those elements could be somehow negated I'd be all onboard.

no

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Silence, you fucking communist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disaster#Long-term_health_effects

>salts all react with water
>molten salt reactors use sodium as a coolant (protip : no current design does)

Wew sperg.

See:
Now fuck off, commie.

The terror sucked ass

Learn what happens when molten salt hits water, retard.

Just for you.

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Narcos is like 80% in Spanish but somehow everyone watched it, they should have funded russian or ukianian actors, don't they have any?

It would take several hundred, perhaps thousands of Chernobyl type disasters to even come close to equaling the environmental damage that coal has already done.

>most of those affected received relatively low doses of radiation; there is little evidence of increased mortality, cancers or birth defects among them; and when such evidence is present, existence of a causal link to radioactive contamination is uncertain.[46]

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Better to get good actors.

>Thousands did eventually die later from cancer and other long term complictions. People are still dying today from complictions from Chernobyl, particularly in Belarussia where children were exposed to radioactive cessium early in life.
This part is highly disputed. After the accident, there was a strong tendency to in the former USSR to ascribe all cancer deaths/birth defects to the Chernobyl effect, even though there was no objective reason to. There's some evidence that there was a slight increase increase in thyroid cancers (which are well treatable) in Belarus, but that's about it.
>Well-differentiated thyroid cancers are generally treatable,[205] and when treated the five-year survival rate of thyroid cancer is 96%, and 92% after 30 years.[206] the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation had reported 15 deaths from thyroid cancer in 2011.[1] The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) also states that there has been no increase in the rate of birth defects or abnormalities, or solid cancers (such as lung cancer) corroborating the assessments by the UN committee.

people and government bodies will always be uneasy with mass adoption of nuclear energy because it needs constant vigilance and screw ups , natural disasters can happen anytme
and people really try to prevent t the disruption of the normal flow of things more than anything

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster#Total_deaths
>Of great concern is the possible number of delayed deaths caused by hard cancer, leukemia and other diseases with longer time latencies following the release of radioactive debris from the disaster. A United Nations'International Atomic Energy Agency(IAEA) study estimates the final total of premature deaths associated with the disaster will be around 4,000

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So was uranium 60 years ago, fission reactor's development was driven by nuclear proliferation, otherwise it's likely we wouldn't have them in 2019.

Why don't you tell me, professor Oppenheimer ? You seem to know so much about molten salts.
Also tell me how water could get in a pressurized cooling loop, something that has never happened before and is extremely unlikely to happen ever.

I'd rather be shot than die melting t b h

>this part is highly disputed
UN says otherwise, ruskie.

Only the first episode is out so I can't say.
A few plant workers die, some others suffer radiation burns and sickness. The episode ends with the radiation spreading to Pripyat the morning after.
There are some exaggerations, like the trees in Red Forest turning red within hours of the explosion, and a bird falling from the sky in Pripyat. It doesn't claim to be a straight documentary though, so a degree of dramatization for the sake of storytelling is expected.

The long term effects of radiation exposure shouldn't be understated though. Even if people don't die their DNA gets fucked up, which can cause problems for generations.

youtube.com/watch?v=8ujAG_Ofj4M
youtube.com/watch?v=c11o8o_imU0

Solar power is worse than Chernobyl in terms of impact. The problem is a nuke plant disaster is a major headline, but it reality it isn't anything.

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You need water to cool the coolant pump bearings. If a bearing fails or leaks water gets into the coolant loop. If water leaks into a molten salt coolant loop you have an explosion.

scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171109224030.htm
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265931X01000716
inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/43/035/43035329.pdf

Seems like you don't need nuclear power plants exploding to spread radiations, coal power plants do that just fine.

*googles three mile island*

Are you even reading the shit you're linking?
>The UNSCEAR report cites only evidence for thyroid cancers among children and teens (adults are more resistant to radiogenic thyroid disease caused by iodine-131 poisoning) and some small amount of leukemia and eye cataracts among the most irradiated of the workers; no evidence for hard cancers has been found, despite waiting beyond the elapse of the usual ten year latency period.[1]

So unless you can figure out how to make mememium bombs it will nevee be viable. Good to know. Now back to plebbit.

pennsylvanians (allah forgive me for uttering that word) are not people either

Molten salts only react violently with water if they contain sodium, caesium, lithium or potassium, none of which are used in molten salt reactors for that specific reason you sperg.

Hard cancers increased by 3 percent above average, dude. Face the facts, commie. Incompetence and secrecy killed thousands before their time.

Go fuck yourself. It is a Kino that depicts how being arrogant causes fuckton of damage. Look at AOC and other degenerates in Congress. That's the future they want with their shitty policies.

>I don't agree with you, please go to reddit

Maybe you should go to that containment website where people that don't agree with you are censored.

it's not the actors problem, slavs usually don't have the budget for big blockbuster movies and they suck at writing, that's why you don't know any of them

Three mile island isn't the only meltdown in the US. Detroit's Fermi 1, had a meltdown, and the military have had several.

>salt doesn't contain sodium

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if you actually googled three mile island you would have known it wasn't a gigantic fuckup nor the same level of government retardation around it compared to chernobyl. there's a reason why everyone knows about chernobyl and not three mile because three mile was all about nothing while chernobyl was a screw up beyond comprehension.

I wasn't talking about coal but for what its worth coal is a method that needs to be phased out. Even though it is arguably the worst disaster it's not like there couldn't theroretically be a more devastating incident than Chernobyl. A big enough mistake at a nuclear plant has a crack at being downright fucking biblical, real Wrath of God type shit. The problem isn't the tech itself, its the people driven systems that operates and operates around the tech. That and some higly unlikely, freak accident shit like a tsunami smashing you to shit.

They'll be uneasy because lobbyists in the US are
>oil shills
>renewable shills
Neither of those care about the environment, nor the politicians that support them, just increased profits and campaign money respectively
There are just too few nuclear lobbyists (and it's harder to make a case for them when they're the outsider both in what's already there, ie the current oil system, and on what's the "safe way" ie renewable shits)

Don't tip your fedora too hard there, memester.

there are other salts than table salt you ding dong

"In chemistry, a salt is an ionic compound that can be formed by the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base."

>This retard thought all this time that "salt" meant table salt

BASED BABOON.

>they suck at writing
This user solely watches capeshit

Actually, Chernobyl is the worst it could ever possibly get.

>coal is a method that needs to be phased out

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because uranium is cheaper you fat retard

Read the whole part, would you?
>The report says it is impossible to reliably predict the number of fatal cancers arising from the incident as small differences in assumptions can result in large differences in the estimated health costs. The report says it represents the consensus view of the eight UN organizations.
Nobody is arguing the USSR wasn't a shitshow, but the Chernobyl effects were objectively heavily exaggerated compared to, for example, .

You can only phase out coal with Nuclear, maybe fusion if that works some day. Solar and Wind or some of green meme shit is NOT baseload power.

So then make thorium cheaper. Oh wait, you can't :^)
Mememium reactors are just another reddit jerk off fantasy like self driving cars or socialized medicine.

>it's not like there couldn't theroretically be a more devastating incident than Chernobyl

Yes there couldn't.
Chernobyl was a fucking reactor exploding and being exposed to the atmosphere, absolutely no confinement unlike all other nuclear power plants, the reactor was fucking burning and spewing tons of radioactif smoke in the air for weeks.
It can't get any worse than a fucking nuclear reactor exploding in the open like chernobyl pretty much was.

Did they really stand outside and just take it in?

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>a blatant measurable increase in hard cancers is a heavy exaggeration
Stay deluded, vlad.

Thorium will eventually be used when uranium runs out in about 85,000 years from now.

if TMI crew was running an RMBK it would have been equally bad

there's this concept called peter principle and nuclear engineers are not immune

"Your funeral, dude."

and the pilots died

Hopefully by then we'll have figured out a way to extract the trace levels of uranium from seawater just so we can cuck mememium fags until the sun burns out.

>in about 85,000 years from now.

Actually about 100 years from now, especially now that China is building dozens of new reactors every decade.

>fermi 1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi_Nuclear_Generating_Station
>On October 5, 1966, Fermi 1, a prototype fast breeder reactor, suffered a partial fuel meltdown, although no radioactive material was released. After repairs it was shut down by 1972.
all a do about nothing
>military
yes, military has had a plethora of accidents. none of which went critical and did a chernobyl. none really actually went critical. all were contained and ones where a bit did leak out only affected a few (that you can count on a single hand). ironcailly most of the military's accidents where dropping nukes into the ocean from malfunctions. and alll those nukes fail safes worked. prevented detonation. with one actually catching on fire and didn't detonate.

>nuh uh, they went on to live long and happy lives without so much as a single melanoma!
>daddy putin told me so!

CANDU is the most viable widescale reactor design for immediate deployment. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen because liberals want to watch the world burn.

Emilia Clarke can be found in GOT.

Did you seriously believe that molten salt reactors worked with table salt ?
holy fuck

Imagine being so deluded that you thinm cooling a reactor with explosive molten metal is a good idea

Laypeople still don't really know what radiation is and everyone wants to go and see a massive fire

They did.

youtube.com/watch?v=DmF-t3zfEXo

how are we doing on long distance energy transmission
because setting up a nuclear plant in the orbit can be effective

does someone have a link to it ?

It was kino, but actually felt just like a remake of the BBC tv special they did a few years ago.
youtube.com/watch?v=njTQaUCk4KY

back in 2003, or was it 2002, forget which year, but when i still lived in southern california, the foothill range caught on fire. from my parents house i remember standing outside with nearly everyone in the neighborhood watching the fire on the hills. it was like seeing a massive ring of fire. we were close enough to the fires that ash from the foothills where raining down on us. we just stood there soaking it in. along with its awful smell.

so yeah, if an entire neighborhood worth of people would stand outside of a massive wild fire and breathe in the smell and soak up the ash, i can easily see people standing outside soaking in radiation from a meltdown. and in the case of chernobyl, you can't smell or really see radiation. and if you can taste it, its a bit to late. they didn't know they were being affected. all they knew was the plant was on fire as they were outside watching it.

There is a team at CalTeach planning on launching a orbital solar array, and beaming the power back to earth with thin microwaves.

This is how stupid liberals have become.

But user RBMK reactor produces weapons grade plutonium as some of its by-products, it's brilliant

CANDU is significantly better at making weapons grade material than an RBMK.

radiation is spooky

it's better than solar panels on the ground, which are hilariously inefficient and need to occupy (waste) a very very large area before there anywhere useful

FUND IT

>we don't want to nuke space!
>ignoring the fact that the stars that feed their solar array's and panels operate off of nuclear reactions and one star, our star, produce more radiation than all nukes in our disposal if detonated along with our plants.
BuT iTs SyMbOlIsM Of WaNtInG tO LiVe In PeAcE

Theroretically it could be worse, it would largely depending on its location, the weather and the human response. Obviously its not going to blow up half of the US or something but the amount of people exposed and area of contaminantion could be larger. If there was a nuclear power plant in a location where it is wildly improbable it could have mother nature ass fuck it and fail safe systems that prevent people from retarding it all up I would be the first to live next to it.

Coal might be the backbone of power generation now but it's accumulative effects are simply too negative to the environment, "clean coal" facilities are few and far between because of how damn expensive they are to operate so migrating the grid off of coal plants is something that needs to be planned out.

Crap translation. Doesn't convey the chaos and confusion of those calls.
>What have you got burning out there?
>There was an explosion in the... main building! 3rd, 4th... between the 3d and 4th blocks!
>Are there any people there?
>Yes!
>Wake up our corps!
>I am! I've already called my boss!
>So get them all! All of them! All the officers, the whole officer corps!

literal contrarian /pol/fag
>libs hate coal
>therefore I fucking love coal

RBMKs had more advantages than just producing plutonium (which was of poor quality as it contained many undesired plutonium isotopes)

It could use 1,8% enriched uranium unlike PWR which require a more enriched fuel
It was very cheap to make
It could deliver tons of power (still the highest rated reactors in usage)
It wasn't overly complex to build thus less susceptible to failures of the cooling systems

So it was an extremely efficient way of generating tons of electricity and nukes for cheap
but the greatest downside was the way it behaved under abnormal regime making it very unpredictable and dangerous.
Tipping the boron carbide control rods with graphite was another way of scrapping a few % more efficiency for cheap, but it turned out to be a fatal mistake.

Your translation is shit. And by shit I mean that I prefer the one in the episode to get the point across. Doing a literal translation is retarded.

You've been brainwashed by too much left wing propaganda. It doesn't work that way.

Watch this video
youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

It doesn't "get the point across" because in reality it was chaos. The translation in the episode makes it seem like it was a routine procedure, but it wasn't.

“The first time we came, the dogs were running around near their houses, guarding them, waiting for people to come back”, recounted Viktor Verzhikovskiy, Chairman of the Khoyniki Society of Volunteer Hunters and Fishermen. “They were happy to see us, they ran toward our voices. We shot them in the houses, and the barns, in the yards. We’d drag them out onto the street and load them onto the dump truck. It wasn’t very nice. They couldn’t understand: why are we killing them? They were easy to kill, they were household pets. They didn’t fear guns or people.”

Convincing argument.

Was it the ATF

if you live in fear you will never progress. to a certain extent we do need to have faith in our technology. just have to be smart about it. in the western world so far we have taken a very hard stance on being conservative about it. resulting, in yes, accidents, but nothing comparable to the absolute ineptitude of the soviets with chernobyl.

look at fukushima. the very scenario you described was a Fukushima incident and it didn't even get close to being on the scale of chernobyl. a 9-9.1 earthquake ALONG with a tsunami (133 ft in height) struck the plant, paired with damaged / failed backup generators. and it still didn't go even a quarter of chernobyl. based on an OLD US 1950's design.

>Deaths 1 cancer death attributed to radiation exposure by government panel.[4][5]
>Non-fatal injuries 16 with physical injuries due to hydrogen explosions,[6]
>2 workers taken to hospital with possible radiation burns
>The United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation[16] and World Health Organization report that there will be no increase in miscarriages, stillbirths or physical and mental disorders in babies born after the accident

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Fun fact: Other reactors continued running for years after the event. Reactor 3 was only shut down in 2000

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami
>Up to 40.5 m (133 ft) in Miyako, Iwate, Tōhoku
not 500, but up to 133ft.

unironically speaking
we need one world government like earthgov
because as long as nations exist we will always try to gain superiority over others

and earthgov isn't gonna happen anytime soon
unless we get a war that cripples all the government or a fucking alien invasion like mass effect

the day earth goes one world government is the day we all live in a soviet style world.

>Linking to a Ted Talk

Fuck that nigga. Phasing out coal plants is something that will take place over a generation or two as other tech is refined and developed. Only a looney toons asshole thinks we should get rid of them all now but phasing them out is something the species needs to start planning.

Fukushima was still a disaster man. It was an unlikely scenario but one that wasn't impossible or unforeseeable like a meteor strike or a zombie attack. And yes the Soviets were dumb shits, but them being the pioneers of scientific retardation doesn't negate the possibility of others being dumb. Again I am not against the technology, rather I am for it, what I would want is a human proof system, or something close to it.

>this reactor's great
>but nobody's really sure if it's safe
>cause nobody tried cutting this many corners on a rector before
>let's build 17 of the fuckers ASAP
>still not sure how foolproof it is
>we'll just have to invent a better fool
>and then poke it with a stick to find out what happens
Oh well, lessons learned. Could've been learned sooner, but bureaucracy + communism.

>phase out coal
You mean building more coal plants to support wind and solar farms.

No one said it wasn’t a disaster. What people are saying that in a titanic situation it didn’t go full or even partial titanic. It stayed afloat. The systems worked, even after human system failure. Like the backup generators to power the coolant. Time after time again the west has shown its designs to be very robust. Designs that still worked even after retarded human error. Designs that legitimately date back to the bloody 1950’s. The west has had solid designs for over half a century that have proven themselves. He’ll, nearly all the plants in the US have been running very solidly decades after their initial planned run rate. Look at the French who’s 70%+ of power comes straight from nuclear. Even Germany before they went full retard had amazingly reliable nuclear power program. That they only ditched it after fuka because again, they went full retard by giving into fear and paranoia.

The soviets failed because they never really valued human life. The west has done well because for the most part, we didn’t give fully into fear and paranoia. But we have into being highly cautious and wanting to do it right, and safely.

Based /k/bro

im watching it rightnow
and I was wondering
they don't have any Geiger counters in the powerplant?

How often are the new episodes gonna come out?
Or are they all out already?

weekly release like most shows