While Joffrey was on the throne, traitors were given swift justice, King's Landing was defended, two pretenders were defeated, the Starks were defeated, the Faith Militant wasn't a problem, and the wall was still standing. He also didn't tolerate whores.
He was the King Westeros needed and he was taken from us.
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How would Joffrey have defeated the NK?
he would have widow's wailed him right in the ice cubes
I would have loved to see how him and Ramsay Bolton would have interacted.
Literally everyone except the elite was suffering under Joffrey.
He also actually repelled a mass invasion from the greatest military tactician Westeros has ever seen, Stannis the Mannis.
Joffrey often seemed blessed or lucky, and you can ensure that was down to nofap.
>Stannis
>greatest
He's toptier for sure, but Randyl Tarly is the greatest.
You forgot he also regularly put that bitch of a wife of his in her place and did not tolerate shit or cuck himself to women like nearly every other male character in that show.In fact even his own mother was fucking terrified of him, fucking Cersei actually scared and humbled by a male, and put in her place.
I guess this was just too great a crime for Dabid and Co. and they had to write him out of existence.
he dies in the book my dude
kek, cersei slapped the shit out of him, so did tyrion.
That's all not true:
1. He started the war by way of killing Ned when Cersei and everyone else worked out a far far far better solution where Ned would falsely claim to have lied about Joffrey being an incest spawn bastard. Had he just fucking followed the script, Ned would have been sent off to the Wall with Sansa, Jamie would have been freed, and the Lannisters wouldn't have to deal with the North whatsoever, outside having to find Arya ASAP.
2. Tyrion and Tywin/Tyrells defended Kings Landing. Joffrey was a fuck up and was pulled from the fight by Cersei the moment things went bad.
3. Stannis retreated though pretty much neutered militarily (and not by Joffrey). Even Renley was killed by Stannis instead.
4. Red Wedding was organized by Tywin not Joffrey and Tywin explicitly kept Joffrey out of the loop because he knew he'd fuck it up
5. Faith Militant happened BECAUSE of Joffrey's fucking up of shit, especially killing Ned. They were formed largely by ex-soldiers traumatized by the war Joffrey started.
And Joffrey didn't give a fuck about the wall and didn't like whores, because Cersei did a number on him incest-wise herself.
Ramsay would probably be his underling
I would watch them living together in a sitcom.
i was having a similar conversation with a friend today. When you really think about it joffrey wasnt pure evil. he was a little shit but think about it the worst thing he ever really did besides make sansa look at neds head was be a dick.
He never raped anyone or murdered in cold blood
He did have a guy's tongue cut out for singing a song. And he nearly killed a knight for being late.
He murdered Ros
Just as the lord of light intended
Anyone know why they didn't try and kill two birds with one stone, with Renly at the end of season one? IE make Ned implicate Renly as the true mastermind behind the plot to claim the Lannister kids were products of incest?
Would have made more sense, in terms of neutralizing Stannis. Blame everything on Renly (who famously fled town right before Robert died) and use Ned to sell Stannis on the idea that Renly was trying to hijack the throne for himself.
And worse case scenario, they could have offered Shireen up to Joffrey or even Tommen to further bind Stannis to them in so far as playing to his resentment and giving Stannis what he always felt like he deserved to keep him happy and content with the status quo, while redirecting all of his anger and rage at Renly?
Prostitutes aren't people, so it's fine.
This
>gets wrecked by savages in an open field
no.
When he was a kid, then he slapped the shit out of Cersei and Tyrion was cucked
Didn't he use those 2 whores to test out his new crossbow? He killed both of them, even though they were whores it was kind of sadistic and in cold blood.
Kill yourself faggot scum
Joffrey wanted a single, professional, Westerosi army. No unreliable levies, no unreliable lords and vassals. As soon as someone told him about dragon glass, he would have fucking nuked the Night King with a fraction of his forces. It would have been complete overkill.
only because of the war. No king can feed the people when all the fields are burned and the city is full of refugees
I would watch them double team your gaping slutty asshole as you moan like the whore you are.
>lowly bard slanders the royal family and still is allowed to live
Pure benevolence by joffrey here
>a knight dishonors himself, his family, and the king by making a mockery of the kings' tourney
He's lucky Joffrey was so merciful, and then the ingrate conspires his demise
incel cope. cersei beat him even when he was king. when se didn't do that she treated him like a little child. he also got massivly cucked by his own grandpa.
Oh, so Jack the Ripper wasn't a murderer then?
what he said.
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90s born queers were a mistake
either way its been confirmed he was a jew
>Jew killing prostitutes
Do you arrest the dog for killing the rabbit?
He was an inquisitor
Mmph, take my (You)'s you little tramp. Take it.
>incel
Opinion discarded, won't even bother reading the rest of your comment or what follows.
>incel cope
reddit nigger
sauce?
>Jack the Ripper was a Jew
Umm, user sweety?? I think you will find Jews are FORBIDDEN from murdering people by their Torah AND Talmud. So no murderers can actually be Jews, okay hun???
have sex
He kept threatening to rape Sansa though and most likely WOULD have raped Sansa towards the end of season three if Tyrion hadn't made it clear that he'd castrate him if he tried.
Also, Joffrey was widely restrained by Tyrion and Tywin as far as them actually running things and letting him think he was in charge. Note that Ned's death and the massacre of the bastard siblings happened because Cersei had zero ability to control him.
Ramsey would never of encountered Joffrey since he was still a bastard henchman for his dad in seasons two and three. Plus (tentatively) an ally of the Stark via his dad.
At best, Ramsey would see Joffrey as a dilettante and a spoiled baby who was never truly trained in the fine art of sadism and evil like Ramsey was by his dad. And he'd kill him first chance he could.
Meanwhile Joffrey would treat Ramsey like dog shit for being a bastard and from being from the North.
In the books, it's revealed (IIRC in the second book) that Stannis was the one who actually set into motion John Aryn's quest to find out if the Lannister kids were incest spawn. So in the books, blaming Renly wouldn't work.
In the show, you ignore the fact that Stannis was super fucking bitter at the way that he had suffered to help Robert take the Kingdom and how Robert went out of his way to reward Stannis's loyalty and devotion by shitting all over him and denying him all the rewards and spoils from winning the rebellion, in favor of Renly being given what should have been Stannis's. And he had the Red Witch basically feeding his jealousy and hatred of Robert and giving him ideas towards being "The Chosen One".
Plus Stannis has the reputation of being a stick in the mud who refuses to bend or compromise. The Lannisters would never be able to reach a compromise with him to keep him happy and out of their hair with Melisandra egging him on to conquer everything.
im too drunk to google for you but a few months ago DNA tests were done on semen and it was from a polish jew
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>He kept threatening to rape Sansa
To be honest Sansa has absolutely deserved to be raped and murdered throughout the entirety of the show. So we can't fault the Joff Man for this one.
It's not confirmed. These people are just stating it is so because of their /pol/ bias.
Wrong incident.
In season 2, IIRC after the incident when Joffrey orders Sansa stripped and whipped as punishment for Robb's latest military victory, Tyrion came to the conclusion that Joffrey's evil was due to him being a virgin with rage and fucking some whores would cause him to calm the fuck down considerably.
So he sent Ros and another whore to Joffrey's room as a birthday gift. Joffrey's response was to get his crossbow and order Ros to murder the other whore by way of slowly brutalizing her/bashing her head in with a mace that was in the room and threatening to kill Ros AND the other hooker if she didn't do as she was ordered.
After Ros murdered her fellow whore, Joffrey sent the corpse to Tyrion's room as a response to his uncle trying to get him laid
>In season 2, IIRC after the incident when Joffrey orders Sansa stripped and whipped as punishment for Robb's latest military victory, Tyrion came to the conclusion that Joffrey's evil was due to him being a virgin with rage
>incel rage causes homicidal sadism
>Elliot Rodger strikes shortly after airing of this episode
Jesus Tyrion was right
That's TV-only retardation.
literally of this was Tywin
Hire some random faceless man.
Joffrey seemed smart when given the opportunity to think about the problems the crown faced, how would he have handled the massive debt?
Joffrey's not so much an incel, as he's asexual and possibly the victim of child sex abuse. The book and TV show both implies the idea that Cersei may have molested Joffrey as a kid. Also, keeping him isolated from his siblings and dealing with Robert as a father (in the TV show, Robert is drunk and emotionally distant from Joffrey and in the books, super-violent towards him).
Killed far fewer than incompetent Stark leadership, that's for sure.
Team Stark is down a couple of hundred thousand men by now.
>Faith Militant happened BECAUSE of Joffrey's fucking up of shit, especially killing Ned
It happened specifically because of Cersei being a fool and being manipulated into lifting the laws that stopped them from existing because she is an idiot.
His marrying the Tyrells was how he was going to handle it. IE get them to pay off all of the debts and then charge up new ones on the credit cards.
>threadly reminder that Bran had to rewrite history to set events in motion so Arya can flunk out of faceless man school so she can use her subpar knowledge to kill the Night King
>threadly reminder that paying the Temple of the May Faced God to kill the night king was a legit and better option but Bran didn't want to pay up
Your forgetting that it was Tywin who was in power behind the scenes so to speak correcting all of Joffre's mistakes. The faith millitants would have never came to power if Tywin was still alive
If we ever get a remake of Game of Thrones down the line, I really hope/wish they redo Joffrey's entire character to make him less one-dimensional evil.
There is a lot of angst and material they could have mined, as far as showing Joffrey dealing with the revelation that he's the product of incest.
Like, have him confront Ned before the public confession scene and have him ask why Ned "lied" and have Ned tell Joffrey he's telling the truth. And for Joffrey to go insane, Caligula-style with the revelation and the fact that Ned has NO sympathy for him outside condemning him to a life as a pariah, to be hunted for the rest of his days by his "father".
There is a lot of potential there, with playing up the Caligula/Joffrey comparison. Especially if they get an actor that is actually handsome that would contrast Joffrey's cruelty, as opposed to what they did casting an ugly kid who could play evil really good.
>get an actor more like Caligula
Joffrey is weird because he's a different character from the books and how one would imagine him but is extremely effective in the adaptation in the way few others are. A lot of his daddy issues, paranoia and possible sexual dysfunction are pretty well represented in the show.
That would ruin the whole Lannister balance, all Lannisters were likable and understandable except for Joffrey. The main dynamic for fans was to choose between the good but naive Starks vs the ruthless and powerful Lannisters. The one thing that nudges fans to team Stark was Joffrey being a dick that needed to be dethroned - Red Wedding wouldn't be so tragic if Joffrey was morally grey because it would be "hey yea, fuck the Starks for doing that to an innocent boy"
>The book and TV show both implies the idea that Cersei may have molested Joffrey as a kid.
nigga what?
>Robert as a father (in the TV show, Robert is drunk and emotionally distant from Joffrey and in the books, super-violent towards him).
Robert is also distant in the books, exept for the one time when Joffrey killed a pregnant cat and showed Robert the embryos. Then he beat the shit out of his son. It also implys that there was something wrong with Joff from the start.
This. Joffrey was sadistic and pissed people off around him, but he wasn't impossible to reason with and he took threats seriously. He was right about Daenerys and her dragons even when Tywin was downplaying it. He knew to get out of the way of his advisors and people who knew better than he did about stuff. For example he didn't insist in playing a pivotal role in planning the defense of King's Landing or the war with Robb Stark.
He wasn't pretending like he knew better than everyone else. With Daenerys he would have had ballistae installed all over King's Landing. If you would have brought a wight in front of him and told him about The Night King he would have ordered the entire North of the Wall be nuked with Wildfire and Dragon Glass. Joffrey with Qyburn as his maester, Tywin as his hand, Baelish as his master of coin and so on, would have been unstoppable. Qyburn probably would have known exactly how to appeal to Joff and been a good mentor for him.
>For example he didn't insist in playing a pivotal role in planning the defense of King's Landing
To be fair, he just wanted to play Catapult Commander in the books.
He would've browsed /pol/
Joffrey functioning as an actual monarch was the only way for peace in Westeros.
>Danny killed before she becomes a threat, dragons stomped in their infancy.
>The North subdued completely, Boltons keeping the region repressed.
>Traditional allies of the Starks have their troops folded into the national army and they are forced to bend the knee unconditionally.
>Baratheons easily defeated, Tyrells part of the Royal Household, Greyjoys not randomly given wealth and influence so they stay irrelevant.
>No conflict with the Martells without Cersei's retardation.
>Night Watch properly reinforced, threats from beyond the wall taken seriously.
>Prosperity throughout the realm just in time for winter.
this in all honesty
Joffrey is very much asexual. He never raped or had sex with anyone. Notice how every time someone starts a conversation with it, he has nothing to say and wants to change the subject.
For a show that oozes sex and sexual politics like Game Of Thrones, Joffrey is a markedly asexual character:
He has a peculiar habit of steering conversations about sex away from the topic, usually parlaying them into conversations about violence.
His casual conversation to Sansa about getting her pregnant once she's "had [her] blood" (i.e. begins menstruating), which obviously requires sex, glosses over the act itself, and gives no indication of whether Joffrey would enjoy the act itself. Sansa, of course, is noted to be beautiful even in the book series, and nearly every male that comes in contact with her finds her very attractive.
When Margaery tries to discern his turn-ons, she gets nowhere talking about sex outright. His only pleasures come from either witnessing or inflicting suffering on others, but they're clearly not sexual pleasures.
Him watching Ros torture Daisy with that stag head mace plays more like a sports fan watching his favourite team repeatedly score on the opposition as opposed to a sadomasochistic voyeur getting turned on by the violence. Similarly, we have no indication that he had sex with Ros before killing her, instead he seems to have simply forced her to strip before shooting her repeatedly with a crossbow.
His threat to invoke the Lord's Right on Sansa seems to be more for the sake of humiliating Tyrion and causing her physical and emotional pain than any actual desire for her sexually.
I think asexual is the wrong word. He could comment on how attractive women are, talking about how he likes Sansa pretty. So less asexual and more HSDD/ISD.
I think Joffrey was the last interesting character in the series. Robb was the last likeable main character. I also liked Oberyn but he was barely in it. I think Season 4 was watchable and decently made but not that entertaining really. Past season 4 is where it was straight up bad.
as opposed to under the other kings?
>He killed prostitutes
Is this indication that he would have purged Westeros from degeneracy by banning prostitution?
He was also going to form a standing army in order to centralize the realm.
I honestly think Joffrey would have been a great king if he had toned down the sadism just a tad.
Until the Tyrell's joined the fold. They were the ones blocking the food from flowing through seven kingdoms. Rather than choosing vengeance, King Joffrey wisely forgave Tyrell's their transgressions, provided they contribute to the realm and feed his people as they have done in the past, and the poor were at ease again.
He wasn't asexual, he was impotent due to being ibred, based Big Dick Tommen was /ourguy/
oops, inbred*
That's all irrelevant as he was never the king in the first place, he was a bastard.
I hope all the "good guys" die just so that the incorrect story of Joffrey is carried through history, the one where he valiantly fought in the Battle of the Blackwater, was benevolent to treacherous Sanser after her father tried to usurp the throne, and who was viciously murdered by his degenerate uncle.
Joffrey was half a tard. He was getting turned on by marg when she was fingering his crossbow.
whoever sits on the throne is king, right of rule is fake news
Ned was too honourable to falsely implicate Renly like that
>Joffrey Baratheon First of his Man, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm
>/ourking/
>a bastard
You shouldn't believe Stark propaganda, lad
>he bought the story from a fire worshiping heretic who got cucked by his halfwit court jester
user...
>I think asexual is the wrong word. He could comment on how attractive women are
this is retarded. why shouldn't an asexual be able to tell if a person is attractive or not?
No, it's about not having the attraction at all. I'm just tired of people calling me an asexual because I have 0 interest in sex.
The point is that he could still see attractiveness and compliment people even if he was asexual. It was even expectet from him when he was playing the good little prince.
Also maybe go to a doctor or something, maybe thats an underling medical issue with you not being interested in sex.
So you're telling me if your dad came into your room and said "Boy I'm gonna shove my fingers so far up your asshole that I'm gonna give your guts a stirin'" you'd just say oooh no dad please not again?
what?
His grandfather and his uncles did all the work, he just sat on the throne and took slaps from a dwarf
Too bad he was also a hyperviolent retard that didn't know when to shut his fucking face.
Oh, I guess. I was mostly imagining the scene where he stated "Don't hit her face, I like her pretty." After he was already king, and was having Sansa beaten and stripped in court. Could be actual interest in how she looks, keeping up appearances while having her beat, or just a joke only he found funny. Probably the last one thinking on it again.
He should have been tutored by Littlefinger.
>PLAY WITH HER ARSHE
He was weak and would be killed by pissing off the wrong people sooner or later. He only ruled for as long as he did because it worked for Tywin for a time.
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All Tywin's merit, mot Joffrey's.
He had Robert's bastards killed
youre as stupid as a fucking woman
that was Cersei
All accomplishments of Tyrion and Tywin. They'd have accomplished much greater things if Joffers was never involved.
In the books. The show insisted on whitewashing Cersei and Tywin by giving their misdeeds to Joffrey. Bastard purge, and whore torture respectively.
Joffrey was a genius and a divine boy, cut down way too early by evil schemers. Had we seen Joffrey grow up, we would have seen the marvelous accomplishments, I dare to say he would be known as one the finest Kings westeros has ever seen.
As stated here, he was a very forward thinking young man, centuries ahead of everyone else, and he recognized the dragon threat when Tywin did not.
I miss updogposting.
He's nothing without Tywin
Not to mention Joffrey singlehandedly threw the realm into a civil war because he was such a vicious cunt. All his mistakes had to be ironed out by Tywin.
Joffrey was Azor Ahai and they fucking killed him, just like Jesus.
Whether Kosminski was JTR or not, it's very high likely that Jack the Ripper was indeed a jew given all the evidence.
Not necessarily true. Ned's execution didn't help the matters, but it was Tywin who made the first act of war by invading the Riverlands, and his degenerate kids who caused the succession crisis and gave Jon Arryn, Ned, and Cat cause to start investigating.
You also forgot that he relied on his Grandpa and Uncle and basically he's useless without his more competent relatives.
I'd imagine eventually he'd be off his son with the Tyrell.
The investigations wouldn't have been so fervent if not for the fact Joffrey tried to have Bran killed, so still his fault.
Mance was the one that tried to kill him.
Joffrey wouldn't have tried to have Bran killed if Cersei and Jaime kept it in their pants.
ALL HAIL KING JOFFREY THE WHORESLAYER
Instead of "investigating" and snooping around those northern, backwards retards should have minded their own fucking business. You unwashed scum. You literal nigger. How dare you even think a swarthy smelly northerner have any form legitimacy to question anything going on in glorious Kinglanding. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling northern hobo mouth?
You are human trash. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Tree-worshipping mongoloids who believes birds and spiderwebs communicates with them.
Those who live in the grey wastes must be 100% subjegated, to be constantly reminded of their inferiority, know their place, just as a homeless smelly piece of shit does not dare to even look at royalty, let alone speak OR "investigate" their intricate. Ned stark should be glad that Joffrey was merciful and did not execute Arya and Sansa, (which clearly was a mistake a higher enlightened person can make, when they forget northerners are not actual humans, but bastards of savage wildlings and thus dont deserve the decree of mercy or empathy)
>first act of war by invading the Riverlands
I don't think that happened in the show.
>succession crisis
Sure, they fucked up but it was Ned's execution that made things completely unsalvageable. Pretty sure Ned would be fine leaving the matter if he was sure his kids were safe in Winterfell (though that couldn't be ensured thanks to viciousness of Joffrey, once again).
I keep seein that term on various threads on Yea Forums and im curious as to wether its an actual thing people say or if you're the same guy?
>Tywin Lannister
Next thread.
'no'
That's still stretching, Cersei and Jaime would have kept it in their pants if they were raised right, so is it all Tywin's fault for being a shit dad or Tyrion's fault for killing Joanna? Or the maester's fault for letting her die? You can follow that chain and blame everything on Lann the Clever, but that's just silly. As far as direct consequences to direct actions, Joffrey caused the war by killing Ned.
>'no'
It was Mance.
Are we really reaching these levels of contrarianism?
>He started the war by way of killing Ned
Catelyn "The spastic" Tully had already taken Tyrion. Tywin and Robb had called their banners before Ned was beheaded
Ros was a fucking whore who was betraying Little Finger to Varys. She deserved worse
>I don't think that happened in the show.
It did.
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You can blame Cat if you want, but arresting a suspect and holding them until their trial isn't the same as sending your army to invade someone else's land and butcher peasants. That's an outright act of war that must be responded to in kind. The Tyrion debacle could have been ended in diplomacy, but that's not how Tywin rolls.
>bit of a stretch
It's a stretch sure, but not a very big one. That situation would not have happened at all had Cersei and Jaime not engaged in high risk behavior. Whereas Tywin's shit parenting could have manifested itself in various ways that don't involve Cersei and Jaime fucking. This is a pretty direct cause and effect thing.
Joffrey was a piece of shit. I will take down anyone who calls Tywin a villain though
>I will take down anyone who calls Tywin a villain though
Tywin basedboys would be happy to watch him have their girlfriends gangraped in front of them, I swear to god.
You deserve to, if you dishonor your family by marrying some peasant literal who
Daddy plz
And Robb only declared himself King in da Norf and went full revenge mode when Ned was executed. Keep him captive and use him to force the North into submission, this isn't difficult, if they start acting out send them fingers until they settle down. Pit the North and Riverlands against the Ironborn, let Stannis and Renly fight it out, absorb the forces of whoever loses and defeat the other one, war won, once you've got the Stormlands and Tyrells in pocket you can send Ned back and even if they wanted to retaliate they wouldn't be able to.
>This is a pretty direct cause and effect thing.
Nah I disagree, even with the incest the war of the five kings could have been avoided as outlined above. Instead it would have been the war of the four kings and much easier to manage without completely ruining the bulk of Westeros in the process.
>not wanting Charles Dance to fuck your GF
>not wanting Charles Dance to fuck you
>Charles Dance ever being such a pleb that he would even look our way
Cry harder unsullied.
>Tyrion
>smart
why do people still say this
he also killed Ned and started the shitstorm that made Tywin realize he's not to be taken seriously, which in some ways ironically caused Tywin's demise
seriously I knew he was a brat cunt but wth happened the minute he put on that crown?
Even without Joffrey's hamfisted assassination attempt, things were being suspicious. Ned and Cat were too preoccupied to piece it all together due to Bran's immediate condition and the whole hand thing, but they would have eventually. Cat knows that it was Jaime who pushed Bran.
>"My sister Lysa believes the Lannisters murdered her husband, Lord Arryn, the Hand of the King," Catelyn told them. "It comes to me that Jaime Lannister did not join the hunt the day Bran fell. He remained here in the castle." The room was deathly quiet. "I do not think Bran fell from that tower," she said into the stillness. "I think he was thrown."
>"The boy had always been surehanded in the past," Maester Luwin said thoughtfully. "He knew every stone in Winterfell."
>It did.
I completely forgot about that. Though that was more of a threat for Cat's kidnapping of Tyrion.
>army invading a foreign land, murdering civilians, and setting shit on fire is a threat
No, sending a message saying you'll do that shit is a threat. This is war.
user I only mentioned the assassination attempt to illustrate the point about stretching. Even if Ned never learned about Joffrey, Stannis still knew all along and would have exposed him, but that's irrelevant because if Joffrey hadn't killed Ned they could have used him as a bargaining chip to force the North into submission. Having the North and Riverlands under their control would have won them the war easily, thus the direct action-and-consequence is killing Ned gaining them their two worst enemies. Joff's fault.
The thing is, the troops already mobilized due to Tywin's aggression, and Jaime's attack on Ned. Even if Ned ate shit and joined the watch, Tywin still attacked Hoster's lands, Robb still rose up to defend them, and the truth will eventually come to light. Memes aside, the Starks are intelligent enough to put two and two together. They'd know that Ned is innocent of treason, and they'd realize why Bran was thrown from the tower once Stannis coems out with the missing puzzle piece. They'd fight the Lannisters either way. The only difference being that they'd probably support Stannis instead of making a move for independence.
You're not thinking this through. Before the execution it was little skirmishes, nothing major, nobody important died. It doesn't matter if Ned's innocent of treason, if they have him alive they can use him. Demand a peace between Lannister, Stark, and Tully, free passage of Lannister men and goods through Riverrun, or we fucking kill him and your sisters. How do you think Robb and Cat react to that? They would think fucking twice about declaring Robb king and marching on King's Landing. Let Renly and Stannis duke it out, kill whoever wins, the North would be forced to deal with the Ironborn, then once you've absorbed Tyrell and the Stormlands you can let Ned go and if the North wants to fight then they will get fucking stomped on by your vastly superior numbers. Killing him when Joff did was fucking stupid.
Big Dick Tommen was 8
>Tommen was 8
>kills himself
/ourguy/
well if you put it like that
And he made her shit herself seconds later. As for Tyrion, he humiliated him on multiple occasions. If his dad wasn't Tywin, he probably would have had him killed.
Ros was a snitch
Joffrey hates snitches
>Him watching Ros torture Daisy
he knew they were rats retard
Tyrion repelled them, you mean
He had Sansa beaten on the floor in front of the court for no reason.
The only thing Joffrey was good at was bullying people who couldn't fight back. The only reason his reign was "successful" was because Tywin/Tyrion were doing the actual governing. And if he had pardoned Ned instead of executing him he would have probably still been alive.
are you actually retarded?
Tyrion repelled them and the Tyrell army finished him off.
He would let Arya fulfill her destiny and then he'd rape her.
>show OC
Joff is crazy in the books too, but he's more "petulant spoiled incest brat" crazy, not "gets off to murder" crazy.
He still really fucked shit up though. Killing Ned was turbo-retarded. But on the other hand it's heavily implied in the books that Littlefinger pressured him into doing it. Really, LF causing the war of the five kings is so weirdly underplayed in the show. Jon Arryn, Ned - that man was single-handedly responsible for the first 4 seasons of the show
>When Margaery tries to discern his turn-ons, she gets nowhere talking about sex outright.
Because Marg was a dumb whore herself who thought she was slyly inquisitive. In truth Joff was turned off by bitches trying to figure him out by needling him, when a proper bitch would instinctively know how to please her majesty.
Joffrey wasn't asexual at all. He simply looked upon females like trivial desserts that were at his beckon 247. He didn't place the eternal female on a pedestal, his priority was power through strength and brutality. Was Patrick Bateman asexual? No, he was bored by women.
Joffrey was arguably the least degenerate ruler on GoT. He didn't allow lust and partying to blind him. Did he ever get drunk? When you're not thirsty for sluts and booze, your mind fine tunes itself to what really matters. And in his day and age, testing his crossbow on tarts was a minor sin not really too sadistic or impeachable.
Haters of Joffrey should also keep in mind that D&D are Hebrews, who clearly force their bias against white blonds onto characters like Joffrey and Jaime. Only Brienne gets a pass because she smashes le patriarchy. Even so Joffrey prevailed as a great, likeable character that most viewers, females included especially, subconsciously miss.
pretender you say?
Nothing wrong with offing cheeky sluts.
There may have been something wrong with Jofrey, but had Robert at least cared, and had Jofrey lived with parents who loved him in a decent house, much of his tard tendencies would have been kept in check or suppressed,Jofrey did a lot of dumb shit because he wanted to earn his father approval, but Robert never cared and Cersei was never fit to be a mother.