I'm very disappointed in GOT because the first 4 seasons were so good

Season 5 is where the show fell off a cliff, but season 6 managed to be suprisingly decent, with Winds of Winter being possibly the best episode in the series.
What came after that is glorified fanfiction.

>For me, it's the waif arc
Agreed.
Anyway S6 > S5

>the red viper
>allyster thorne
>that tyrion speech
>olly killing ygritte
>stannis saving the watch
>not kino
who is the real brainlet here

season 4 had...
mance attacks the wall
jeoffrey assassinated
tyron on trial for murder
duel between oberyn and the mountain
cersei confronts her father about her love for her brother
tyrion killing his father
the hound vs brianne

all great moments

I think 4 is still mostly good. It keeps us mostly in Kings Landing and everything with the Tyrion trial is great. I don’t really remember what everyone else was doing in season 4 tho.

The outer wall expedition was kino

moron. no taste

The scenes with the Boltons were great

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It's all horribly condensed with the characters popping in and out of existence as the plot required them to do so, but overall S1 had a nice flow to it and didn't feel rushed or unreasonable.

I'd say the "good" part of the show ended with Robb's death and the end of the Stark-Lannister conflict.
Everything after that feels like fanfiction.

>first 4 seasons
>good
It's been shit since season 2, faggot.
>Jaime Lannister: kinslayer
>Cersei whitewashed even further
>Love with Tysha over Shae is my true love now
>no chain
>no peach
>Renly good Stannis bad because Weiss is still butthurt
>no Lightbringer
>Brienne turned into one dimensional YASS SLAY QUEEN
>no Garland
>Robb falls for the first piece of brown ass he sees which makes no sense
>no Westerlings
>no Westerlings plots
>Robb and Talisa marry under the Seven which makes no sense for either character
>no Roose in Harrenhal
>Papa Tywin shit
>no Weasel Soup
>Arya's stupid use of names which is so dumb they have to make excuses for it in season 3
>Jon's plotline neutered
>removes reasons why he spares Ygritte
>removes Qhorin's talk about how he understands Jon
>only Bran is a warg
>Qhorin just getting Jon to kill him out of nowhere, yelling his plan in front of all the wildlings MAKES PERFECT FUCKING SENSE
>"I'll bet you don't know Dagmer's real identity."
>"MAKE HIM PAY THE IRON PRICE!"
>Qarth plotline a shell of itself
>House of the Undying, one of the most important chapters in the fucking books, just glossed over and made shit
>no Belwas
>no Arstan Whitebeard
Season 1 was good, but starting in Season 2 we got Dan and Dave's magical fan fiction adventure. Fuck off.

Joffrey's death.
Should have ended with Cersei just screaming and fade to black.
Instead they did a panto

He killed my son!
>Huuuuhhh!!???
Your king!
>whaaaa????
Take him! Take him!
>Intense zoom on Tyrion then Cersei

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this. s6 has a number of redeeming moments. s5 is plain boring, s7 and s8 are bad. s8e1 and e2 were also not good, you guys just wanted to believe.

This is fact.

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What's wrong with season 2?

See

But shocking twist ending could the show have to redeem itself?

None. There is no twist ending at this point that wouldn't come across as half-assed specifically for the purpose of being shocking.

They threw that chance away when the White Walkers all fucking died with no pomp or circumstance. There could've been a moment where the NK makes a pact with someone, revealing just how they were repelled beyond the wall the first time, but there's no chance we get something like that here. It's all shit from this point onward.

After Jon came back to life

I guess a lot of the things from the books were cut, because of running time and fitting everything into 10 episodes.

Bran is the Night King now.

Good writing ended after season 4, cool battles ended after season 6.

Making Jaime a kinslayer is not cutting something for time. It's changing the character.
Robb and Talisa getting together is not cutting something for time or fitting something in. Fuck them marrying under the Seven shows the lack of knowledge of the source material by Dan and Dave.
Cersei being whitewashed and Joffrey killing the bastards is not cutting something for time. It is not trying to make something fit it. It is fundamentally changing characters to appeal to demographics and garner hashtags.
Do I need to go fucking on?

You know why all the world hates a Lannister?

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Tywin's death, basically. Parts of it were still watchable/decent, but it never got that good again.

My opinion basically

*sam wakes up in his bed*
>wow what an awful dream that was
*opens his room's door and gets a crossbow bold to the face*
*we can see the NK slaughtering kingsguards in the back*
*cut to black*
>and who are you

Only the Dany stuff was even more boring and useless than in the books. They should have cut it and made her go straight to Astapor.

Season 2 was much better than 3.

NK dragon vaping a hole in the Wall was about as good as that sort of thing is gonna look. Leagues above anything in the Hobbit flicks.
But yea it's just a few shots in a sea of shit storytelling.

Man, this is exactly the moment I felt the first serious disappointment with the series.

Night King is the biggest mistake DnD made.

Because they're black?

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The worst thing about Dany is that she spent like 5-6 season assembling her army and making a big deal about them steamrolling through Westeros with all those brown people worshipping her as a god.

Then she shows up and two (2) battles in and her force is entirely wiped out.

At this point what does she really have to offer in terms of power consolidation? Nobody really likes her. She's heavy-handed and scoffs and all her advisors. Even her relationship with Jon is now iffy.
That's why I'm thinking she'll just fuck off back to Essos in the end.

>winds of winter
>good
I love 10 minutes of killing off already abandoned plot lines then 60 minutes of trite bullshit

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>Joffrey's last breath
not this moment

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Last episode was the best one of the entire thing though, being contrarian isn't cool anymore kiddo
>b-but plotholes!
Yikes

>Renly good Stannis bad because Weiss is still butthurt
What was he butthurt about?

Always wondered why they hated Stannis so much. My only real problem with season 1 is that when Renly tells Ned that Stannis can't be king his tone is serious and worried, which makes Stannis sound like a bad character. In the books he sounds arrogant and childish, making Renly look bad and building interest for Stannis.

> MFW only the Night King could stop Cersei´s army of darkness but the Night King is dead
> MFW the only option is to make a new Night King. Bran knows how.
> MFW the only options are Jon and Daenerys
> MFW Jon being a goody goody accepts that this is the destiny for which he was resurrected
> MFW he does it thinking that after he do it they are going to kill him to stop the army
> MFW Daenerys dragons can´t kill Jon because fire can´t kill the Dragon... so Arya has to do it.
> MFW when she can´t because she loves Jon.
> MFW Night King Jon (the prince that was promised to the dead god) leaves and takes his army North.
> MFW now his watch begins and will not end till the moment of his death. The true king in the north.
> MFW Jon sits in the NK´s throne while Daenerys sits on the iron throne. The wheel is not broken, the song of ice and fire will continue and in 500 years the dead shall rise again to reclaim a new prince.

Is this, dare i say, the ENDGAME?

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once tywin died that was it, it immediately turned to shit after that

Interesting take. Still doesn't change the fact that the white walker plotline conclusion was underwhelming after all these years of hyping them up.

This

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How dare you leak the script! I'll have you fired at HBO. There was a contractual agreement not to leak this and you did. I'll find and sue you.

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People are trying way too hard to make this seen as if it was masterfully done like when Tolkien did it in lotr, but Arya killing NK is just a complete mess in every way, Arya never finished her training exactly because she could not become "no one", she could not give up being Arya stark.
In the show a few minutes earlier we see Arya hiding in fear while zombies hunt her, and she ends up being discovered despite being some ultra sneak assassin, but of course five minutes later she can suddenly easily sneak her way past 50+ zombies and walkers when we know she was unable to do it before, because the plot demanded.
And Arya stabbing night king where he is protected by armor is what finnaly kills the scene, the hound has already beaten in her head that you cant cut trough armor with a small weapon, with her training as a assassin she should have already learned to go for soft exposed targets like the neck and eyes, or places where is not possible to put armor like under the armpits, but what does Arya, the highly trained assassin does? She stabs NK where his armor would stop her blade, and not on the eye or neck like a true assassin, but of course the plot armor is over 9000 here, so instead of getting her neck broken for such an amateur mistake, her attack works and NK dies, its almost as if Arya had read the script and knew such a retarded move would work because we are in deus ex machina territory now.

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if a dramatic scene requires a long explanation or deep thought to make any rudimentary sense, it has failed

wildling battle at castle black was dogshit, next season is when the teleportation started I believe

None of that matters anyways. The fact is that she had never met the Night Jobber and had no realtionship with him. It was not her arc to kill him.
You know who have been fighting the Night King for like 8 years though? Aegon Targaryen, the hero and main character of the show. He alone could have delivered emotional payoff.

>Arya is nobody! Nobody killed the night king!

What a stupid fucking take. How does nobody remember that Arya told Jaqen "A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell and I'm going home!". She rejected the cult of the faceless men and returned to being Arya Stark. The writing was just shit.

One of the most annoying thing about movies and TV with multiple entries / seasons, is what happens when it becomes more and more popular to the point the show becomes basically self aware of that, and instead of letting the work speak for itself and doing whats in the narrative's interests, surrounds itself in that awareness and integrates it into the show's direction. Breaking Bad did this to a degree, after it became popular. The Walking Dead's been doing this for years now, and perpetuates itself chiefly by threatening to take viewers toys away (killing off characters). Game of Thrones has fallen into the same trap. Not sure when, and the words "fan service" certainly isn't right. I think the phrase "fan aware" is. It knows people have a certain expectation, and it plays with that.

When the show had stick pretty close to the books, it generally inhibited the writers worst instincts. Each acted as a check on the other. When the writers were free of the constraints of the books, a lot of them came out, most of all, how self-aware the show had become, that it was a global sensation, the top show in the world, and a television saga of historic note.

And then the show passed up the books, and the writers were on their own. And thats when trouble started.

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If nothing else, the writers have created a situation where it's almost a certainty the show and books will end differently. In the show, Winter came and went, and the Battle At the End Of the World, while enormous in scope and impressive to see, was undermined by characters plot armor in the face of the coming War against Cersei.

Frankly, the more I think about it, and rewatch that interview at the end of the episode, the more I think "George Lucas". Lucas has a vision of Star Wars that often times is at odds with fans of the franchise, and over years that difference became more and more pronounced, to the point Lucas basically resented some fans and a particular vision of Star Wars. His Star Wars was basically the Anakin Skywalker story and a homage vehicle. Expanding the Star Wars story beyond the Anakin Skywalker saga, much less taking "lore" aspects of it seriously, basically pissed him off at a certain point. "Darth Plaeguis" really doesn't matter to George Lucas.

There is so much of that in GoT now, and it came out in this episode. The foundation of the entire ASoIaF saga is the Great War superseding the comparative petty bickering of living. The show the producers decided to make is founded on dragons and magic and this Fantasy War between men and skeletons, but they really, really want to talk about Cersei and political intrigue instead.

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Because Stannis is the antithesis of jewish behavior.

I think we'll see Stannis crumble in the books as well, he has not reached the situation when things are truly awful for him. He will prioritize his perceived duty above morality. He has already.

i have been here long enough to remember when the first four seasons were airing, and everyone complained fucking endlessly about every fucking thing then too
like the scene where cersei and robert have a conversation about some shit that's original and everyone was fucking sperging out that they'd ruined her character by making her too sympathetic or whatever
or the scene where varys and littlefinger have an 'i'm so smart' duel of wits that is both of them showing their hands
remember how people handled rob's new love interest?
the sassy sjw love interest?
how much fucking autism was spilled over that?

if only we had known

The robert and cersei scene was well acted and writtwn but it really did whitewash cersei and make robert seem like the asshole

Shut up, moron

It’s obviously the beginning of season 5. Obviously b/c
>end of season 4 is Tyrion leaving, Jon leading, Arya leaving, Dany staying to be queen, etc etc
>irl the books were supposed to jump ahead like 5-7 years (Arya would be trained, Dany would have been queen for a while, etc)
>instead GRRM pussies out and goes into ever loving fucking detail about every little thing that happened
>total waste of time

>>Robb and Talisa marry under the Seven which makes no sense for either character
great point, what a terrible subplot

reminder it was always shit. they just had some legit great actors to mask the idiotic writing.

smart user
I'm currently re-reading a clash of kings and there is so much kino material there you could easily adapt it to two full seasons with both at least 13 episodes long.

season 2 was so heavily butchered, so many characters and plots were fused into one single character arc so normies wouln't get confused. it wasn't overall terrible but it was the beginning of the downfall.

*the first 3

true and correct ranking

classic case of overthinking game of thrones. coping to make this shit somehow matter more than it does. arya killed the night king because d&d thought it would be le kewl twist nobody saw coming. there is no other reasoning.

They wrote out nearly everything interesting and good about House Martell. That's when I lost interest.

after season 1 for me, that's where they stopped going by the books and doing their own shit

these

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>this is what show watcher actually believe

I thought S5's Stannis arc actually was really good. Parts of S6 were good, too. Including Tommen's death, Cersei BTFO everyone, Battle of the Bastards (retarded name but the battle itself was good because they copy/pasted Canae), as a few thoughts.

That's probably Ned's perception more than anything desu. Ned liked Stannis, because Ned was half autistic himself. He perceived Renly's comments as more arrogant and childish than probably they actually were.

Season 4 had some kino episodes, my favourite battle in the whole show was S4E08 Watchers on the wall.

the show turned to shit the second THEY CAUGHT UP TO THE BOOKS. Once the two directors had to come up with shit themselves it all went to shit. Some things like the Battle of the Bastards is amazing but a lot of other things like character development and even the writing/dialogue took a turn for the worse.

fuck

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WTF, the Nightkings armor had a defect......what a way to go. one of his jobbers has good armor and then when he needed his armor it failed

Was pic related your second favorite episode?

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the armor designs for the lannister in the hbo show are so fucking lame *footsoldiers) in this picture of the miniature the lannister foot soldier armor and helmet are really good

correct

the tyrion trial was good and so was his brother saving him, also arya and bloodhound had good scenes that season.

season 5 went full retard when d&d ruined the thing i was looking forward to most arya going to braavos since they had to make up their own cringey shit, and the whole littlefinger sending sansa to be a rape slave for ramsey is beyond redemption and totally destroyed the series.

i did like the last episode of season 6 tho, but only really for cersei's acting

Nothing about the faceless or their concept made any sense in the show.
However Arya became a fuckin tank by scrubbing so many bodies.

this is retarded. it's just speculating, not better than all the "he is actually her through warging/facechanging whatever, the NK was Syrio the whole timE". If it where as the reddit op says, the NK should just have waited longer and he'd be fine.

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contrarian: it's not as bad as everyone wants to think it is and it was never as good as everyone wants to think it was

For me, it's everything post-Oberyn squish.

they could've just had a part where the night king touches bran and his transformation power doesn't work and bran does somewhere shit that makes the night king recoil, and then arya stabs him
that alone would've given some vague resolution to bran's bullshit, and it's not like they didn't have time to spare in the fucking 15 minute ending montage

It always a terrible shit show you cunts. The only reason it was good because of the explicit scenes and the willingness to kill off any main character, no matter who, just for the sake if shock value. Fuck your life if you think otherwise. It was pure sex and taboo with promises of zombies, magic, dragons. Fuck outta here with, "hurrr durrr WhEn DiD It aLl gO WrOnG???" It was always trash and the people making it just proved that point with their non sense excuse of a final season. They had no idea or depth to do anything interesting with the Night king or his army, they proved theyre a one trick one note pony. What a fucking con job. Now youre back to the regular back stabbing soap opera its always been. Enjoy watching your final episodes of "Dallas: medival edition".

If the night king was so worried about getting killed he didn't even need to join the battle at all. His army would have easily overwhelmed the humans and eventually reached Bran, there was no reason NK himself needed to walk in there to kill a cripple.
He also could have just flown over the godswood on his dragon and set the whole thing on fire, but didn't.
He could have just fucking encircled the castle and starved all the humans out, but didn't.
None of his actions are smart whatsoever.

And even IF you accept the explanation that the NK was deliberately avoiding strong fighters or anyone who could be Azor Ahai, and that only "No One" (Arya) could kill him, that still doesn't justify the sheer, blazing stupidity of HOW she kills him, by running through 1000 wights and a dozen white walkers undetected, leaping 30 feet through the air and nothing personelling NK.

These people are utter drones.

>repeating and bolding t-shirt slogans for impact
100% pure s o y

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ugh I meant

It started going wrong in the second season when the writers started taking liberties with the adaption. Easy peasy 1st season was great, although the action sequences have always been pretty bad. 1st season just didn't have as many to showcase how terrible the choreography was.

season 4 had its moments but the writing went off the rails. its also the first season where they overwhelmingly exchange dialogue for shitty quips and instagrammable oneliners.