Maximus: I knew a man once who said, "Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back."
Commodus: I wonder, did your friend smile at his own death?
Maximus: You must know. He was your father.
Commodus: You loved my father, I know. But so did I. That makes us brothers, doesn't it? Smile for me now, brother.
Russell and Joaquin owned this movie. Truly great performances
Gentleman what we do in life echoes in eternity
Why did The emperor agree to fight him?
I wanna go back to 2000 Yea Forums
because Gladiator was the capeshit of its era and people are blinded by nostalgia.
The Sopranos put the scene of Ralphie sperging out over Gladiator and saying Spartacus is shit because David Chase had a similar level of contempt for the movie that Yea Forums has for capeshit and star wars today.
this post has goyim written all over it
lemme guess, next you're going to ask me to donate some shekels to israel?
>say capeshit and star wars are bad
>"lol what a jew"
None of you here watched the 2-episode mini series Spartacus from 2004.
(((Spartacus)))
no
Because he thought he had a chance to take him down after stabbing him with a poisoned knife.
Shut your fat whore mouth, pigfuck!
The Kid's obessed with Gladiator
Commodus was insane. The irl Commodus that the character is based on would fight gladiators in the arena all the time (usually after handicapping them of course). There's nothing especially odd about him agreeing to fight.
>because Gladiator was the capeshit of its era
thats why we went on a decade long spree of sword and sandal movies? oh wait we didnt, there were maybe like two or three copy cats of gladiator and then the sword and sandal movies went back on the shelf because they are notoriously expensive to make. gladiator's plot was very hollywood, its true, but to compare it to the avengers is ridiculous. the acting talent is 10x better, the sets and the costumes and the cgi, its all just 10x better than disney capeshit
Because Commodus was a fucking lunatic
Somebody post a scene from the MCU better than this. It shouldn't be hard, you have 22 movies to pick from.
Very much this - Gladiator has a dumb, simple story bit it is such a good looking and rich movie that it comes out great anyway - comparing this to corporate trash is just unfair
How about GOT? Is there any scene that topped this one?
Reminder that the time he screamed "Am I not merciful", was an ad-lib and they kept it because they really liked it, that's why the scream sounds very natural too.
Commodus was reared to be next Marcus Aurelius, but in reality was too plain and dumb to achieve anything. Being a son of the Emperor means he always had a crow of people around him, and despite him not being inherently a bad person, bad people corrupted him because he was naive and dumb.
When he became Emperor he forgot the entire philosophy he was taught his entire life and fell into a life of debauchery. After a time his ego was getting fed more and more until he became a full fledged megalomaniac.
He proclaimed himself Hercules, son of Jupiter. renamed the city of Rome, renamed legions, renamed the navy, renamed the senate and every institution he could. Renamed shit ton of things be a form of his name, Commodia this Commodia that. He started erecting statues of himself everywhere.
Worst of all is his participation in gladiatorial battles. He didn't actually kill the gladiators because they'd yield(naturally), but he did murder amputees and the wounded by clubbing them to death while larping. He also murdered a shit ton of animals. Not only this, but HE demanded 1 million sesterces from the people of Rome every time he participated in the arena which put an unneeded strain on the whole city.
He is a textbook example of "Absolute power corrupts absolutely", but it seems that this mostly applies to dumb people with no character, like Commodus, unlike his father who was one of the best Emperors Rome has ever had.
Imagine being Connie and have Joaquin suddenly scream at you like that. She handled it very well and her acting in the whole movie was remarkable as well.
Pedro Pascal's scenes, Ygritte had some great scenes aswell and
>I dreamt I was old
For the best, I can't choose between Trajan, Marcus Aurelius or Augustus. Somehow they knew how to rule and not be corrupted by their quasi-absolute power.
It's true, though, that none of them had been coddled and they had earned what they had through blood sweat and tears. Maybe that is the making of a good ruler.
Based Joaquin and his improv
Replied to wrong post damnit
It's okay, user. His performance was truly amazing to the point where years ago when I first watched this movie, I truly hated him, not just the character but him as well. The funny thing is that watching this movie again after many years, made me sympathize with him and I understood his motives better than I did years ago (I was just a child then).
They were all adopted by men who could see their spark of genius, I'm pretty sure this is why they turned out to be good emperors. That and coming from relatively humble beginnings, not coddled all their life.
Proofs?
>Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back.
>Smile for me now, brother.
Foreshadowing?
I felt the exact same way after many rewatches and being a bit older. I think any son who feels they've let their father down can sympathise with Commodus. It's a brilliant but equally sad tragedy of Commodos's character and the casting choice is perfect
So I heard that this scene is considered a deleted scene but I personally remember seeing it in the movie. Later I found out that only a few countries included it. If you haven't watched it, you should because it explains why Quintus didn't obey Commodus at the end when he asked him for a sword.
for me, it's Diocletian. most based emperor of them all.
I'm glad it is a deleted scene. Just think about the history of the praetorian guard, how often they acted as kingmakers - given a chance like this their commander would have never hesitated to order the death of an obviously raving lunatic emperor.
There needs to be more Romekino in this world
To win the mob
>because he was naive and dumb.
Nah, user, you were the naive and dumb one all along.
Commodus did what had to be done. Sons trying to excell and overcome their fathers (especially the popular, famous and powerful ones) is as old as time itself. Imagine always living under the cast shadow of your father. Always being compared to and dwarfed by his legacy. It's a crushing and crippling burden for life and if you study the biography of outstanding personalities, you will encounter that their sons quite often chose to take their own lives.
Marcus Aurelius was such a larger than life emperor that the only way Commodus could carve a mark with his name in the history books was by becoming the anti-thesis his father stood for.
We remember the exceptional, not the ordinary. Be it good or bad.
Because the real commodus actually was obsessed with the gladiator pits and fought in them himself, in rigged fights just like this. It pissed a lot of people off though. Eventually he was strangled in his bath tub by his trainer
gladiator is too melodramatic and too anglo. people only like it because of its significance. i guess i also fall into that category because without gladiator we would never get master & commander, troy and 300.
i'm surprised no one has made an eneas epic
the blocking is fantastic in that scene too, and the film barely had a script
it was Commodus' idea. Stab the hero of the arena and kill him in front of the crowd to win their admiration.
What was his tax policy?
this, Gladiator was the perfect synthesis of old an new blockbusters. Modern plot and characters but it retains the elegance of classic sword and sandals.
You want me to prove that Commodus was insane? Just look him up.
it's part of the Director's cut. Some other scenes are interesting but they're mostly redundant.
He was losing favor of the mob. He did not like how Maximus was idolized over himself
>Cassius Dio, a first-hand witness, describes him as "not naturally wicked but, on the contrary, as guileless as any man that ever lived. His great simplicity, however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful and cruel habits, which soon became second nature.
The fact that he fell under the influence of bad company is a trademark of a naive individual with no character. I highly doubt that he tried to be an antithesis to his father, at least on purpose, and was instead slowly corrupted by easy life after Marcus probably made him sleep on the ground, eat plain food and reserve himself from carnal desires
At first I thought it's probably the fact that his father didn't have time for him, but reading about Commodus it's obvious that he went with his father everywhere so there is no excuse. Marcus should have adopted his heir like every good emperor before him
Diocletian>Aurelian>Trajan>Augustus>Elagabalus
This. If you look at his marble bust, he even looks like a whiny twink bitch boy. He looks like the kind of dude you see at a party who brings his guitar in order to impress drunk chicks.
He once tried to intimidate a bunch of senators by chopping off the heads of ostriches in the arena and holding them up for the senators to see. This only made the senators laugh, because many of them had been actual veterans, and they'd just been threatened by a teenage twink who's never actually seen any real combat in his entire life.
His whole shtick is generally pretty embarrassing.
>be me
>virgin
>watch gladiator
>I have same features as maximus
>decide im going to rock his haircut
>get my first girlfriend
>fuck her daily
thanks gladiator
>Marcus should have adopted his heir like every good emperor before him
That would be really risky and potentially start a civil war once he and Lucius were dead.
>tfw no Elagabalus film
>Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, depilate his body hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels, and even in the imperial palace:
>Finally, he set aside a room in the palace and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room, as the harlots do, and shaking the curtain which hung from gold rings, while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers-by. There were, of course, men who had been specially instructed to play their part. For, as in other matters, so in this business, too, he had numerous agents who sought out those who could best please him by their foulness.
>Herodian commented that Elagabalus enhanced his natural good looks by the regular application of cosmetics.[47] He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia.
A literal transgender emperor, Hollywood should be all over this
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Now this is how you finish off a villain, not like that shit in GoT. You complete the arc of your protagonist and antagonist in a final showdown, the ending of which provides a satisfying catharsis where the hero triumphs.
Shit like GoT nowadays won't do this, they're too focused on "subverting expectations". If the writers of that show ended this film then they'd have maximus get beaten (if they even gave him a final fight) and then commodus would be ninja assassinated by some random character he'd never even interacted with before. They make the mistake of thinking the "cliched" heroes triumph is somehow automatically bad, whereas films like gladiator clearly show that it isn't, and that the "cliche" exists for a reason- it's a satisfying end to the story.
The problem with GOT is that there are too many heroes that should have their triumph and this makes it complicated because they can't give the respectful ending to all of them, this usually happens in movies or tv shows where there are too many characters, just like it happened with the Avengers movies, they couldn't give triumph to all of them, eventually only one of them would come out as the most heroic.
It's more the end to the big villain I'm concerned about with GoT, yes you're right about all the heroes
The NK should have had a proper showdown with Jon, that was my point. Instead the writers throw in arya out of no where, who had never seen or interacted with the NK before. This was all done to "subvert expectations" as a final showdown between Jon and NK would be too familiar, as if that somehow automatically made it a bad ending (particularly compared to the shit we actually got)
I have also seen this scene but maybe I watched the director's cut without knowing it. What a great scene it is.
>QUINTUS, SWORD!
>GIVE ME YOUR SWORD!
to add to that, the best end to aryas arc would have been to kill cersei instead, as her character revolved around getting revenge on the people who had wronged her family. Instead she beats the NK. If they also have her kill cersei then that will overshadow the other villain she killed who was just as if not more important to the storyline.
>can't get respective ending
Huh?
>jon defeats the night king
>arya kills daenerys
>hounds beats zombie mountain
>daenerys takes the throne(and then gets murdered, fuck the cunt)
>giantbane fucks brienne and they have huge chldren
>jaime goes to lannisport and marries someone who's not his family
>dorf remains the hand
>varys remains the spider
>jon marries daenerys, after she dies he's king
>sansa rules winterfell as warden of the north
>gendry and arya fuck again and go adventuring in essos
>etc
I can keep going on and on, not saying that it should end like this but there was a pretty obvious way to finish the character arcs.
Whoops
>arya kills cerse*
Fuck daenerys though
I get what you're saying and I agree. Every hero should fight their own nemesis by themselves but we both know that GOT proved that they don't work that way and it's really frustrating. The only time that one of the protagonists faced their own enemy, was Sansa with Ramsay as far as I remember, unless I forgot something.
>Praetorian guard not lifting a finger to help him
I used to think that was absurd until I started reading about what they were like irl lol
Was Quintus the most based character in this movie?
Yeah I mean this works
With the way they've cut out dumbed down so many storylines it wouldn't be hard to give most of the remaining heroes proper endings. Most have already completed their arcs anyway (Brienne, Jorah ect.)
It's not a particularly smart way of ending things, but it's still way better than random asspulls and "subversion"
Same. First Gladiator and then the LOTR trilogy, different times!
That's true, both of them had Oscar worthy performances but thinking about how young they were (Russell in his middle 30s and Joaquin in his middle 20s), do you think people would appreciate them the same way they did back then? Especially here on Yea Forums, actors who are in their 20s especially, get a lot of hate.
Based.
>actors who are in their 20s especially, get a lot of hate
That's because women and homosexuals make these threads to talk about how they want to fuck these young actors instead of talking about their acting skills or their movies.
I wonder how much of that is true though.
The woman was beautiful if she was my sister i would too
I googled to see how he looked like, I was disappointed.
And you're what now- a degenerate blaming his father for his personal failures? Get fucked
Have sexual relations
Heard they're going to make Gladiator 2. Is this accurate? Don't even want to imagine how the movie is going to be. Obviously the gladiator will be a black man or woman.
Don't know but if it happens I bet the Gladiators will be women from every race and the emperor will still be a white guy.
>Digimon Honsou and Fat Russell Crowe wearing a rabbitos trucker cap training the boy from the first movie to fight in a kind of Lethal Weapon meets Creed comedy. (Crowe faked his death and is now addicted to brothels.)
Unironically I would watch that.
I liked Gladiator but the music is overrated.
Oh it's probably mostly slander. Elagabalus pissed off the Roman elites by fucking with Roman religious beliefs and trying to push some Syrian sun cult on them, and emperors who pissed off the aristocrats got all sorts of lies written about them. I just think it's still funny.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED.
IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?
>Great Jokesters through the Ages
>it explains why Quintus didn't obey Commodus at the end when he asked him for a sword.
I figured it was due to him being a Praetorian Guard i.e. huge dickhead
I don't get it.
The original idea was to have Russel crowe fighting with Christians, living forever and fighting nazis
what a snoozefest
He got worked into a shoot
And it didn't make a quarter of the money the first Avengers made.
This
>Disney
All capeshit. Fixed
This was even more poetic:
>youtu.be
Commodus : You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, justice, fortitude and temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, courage, perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son.
Marcus Aurelius : Oh, Commodus. You go too far.
Commodus : I search the faces of the gods... for ways to please you, to make you proud. One kind word, one full hug... where you pressed me to your chest and held me tight. Would have been like the sun on my heart for a thousand years. What is it in me that you hate so much?
Marcus Aurelius : Shh, Commodus.
Commodus : All I've ever wanted was to live up to you, Caesar. Father.
Marcus Aurelius : Commodus. Your faults as a son is my failure as a father.
Commodus : Father. I would have butcher the whole world... if you would only love me!
given the historian of the time, none of it
No Proximo was.
>ywn be killed by Praetorian death squads in your study while uttering your last words
Caligula is the great victim of this
that's another script, they're not using that one; but the film isn't even in pre-production, it'll never get made
pure condensated kino; that pan up Marcus Aurelius bust as you hear him choking with a shadow cast on it, goddamn KINO
Childhood is idolizing Maximus, adulthood is realizing that Commodus makes more sense.
Kys
Wouldn't have been out of character for the praetorians to just kill him right there. They've assassinated emperors for less.
Wasn't he famously like 6'2 250lbs, which is an absolute monster compared to the 5'6 average roman manlet.
Okay but that shot where he was just standing there with blood on his face was insane. Joaquin has really intense eyes in every movie that I have seen him and he almost makes you think that he's dangerous and crazy irl.
Wtf? No way he was 250lbs at what appears to be 15% bodyfat.
To put that into perspective, Arnold fucking Schwarzenneger was around 250-270lbs in his prime, and was also around 6' something inches. The modern gymrat, with all his protein isolates and hours in the gym, might only reach 220lbs, which would be very impressive, and no matter what comic books or anime might tell you, you practically NEED to lift heavy weights in order to gain substantial muscle mass unless you're doing thousands of push-ups at home (and even then, calisthenics are not as effective at building muscle as weight resistance training is), which I'm almost certain Commodus did not do.
Commodus was also well known for aggrandizing his own feats and exploits, so if you read somewhere that he Mr. Olympia tier, then it's highly likely Commodus was just jacking himself off.
SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD SPANIARD
my roman history is pretty spotty post-augustus but this elagabalus dude sounds extremely based
He was a sperg obsessed with Hercules
There are tons of wild stories about Elagabalus, like . Probably all made up though.
oh yea i know they are usually just propoganda but it's still really funny
Joaquin Phoenix, Elijah Wood and Alexandra Daddario should form a team. They can all easily look insane because of their eyes.
the passion > apocalypto > troy dc > 300 > alexander revisited > gladiator > kingdom of heaven any cut
I think Daddario and Phoenix have to try to *not* look insane, if you just look at random candid pics of Daddario it's like she's planning to sacrifice you to her gods
garbage placings. here is the real list:
apocalypto > troy dc > gladiator > kingdom of heaven dc > alexander > passion of the christ > 300
Don't forget Elijah too, he looks possessed in some pics. These three should be in a movie together as phycho killers or something, they should make them related too.
Quintis is the biggest faggot. I've always hated this cunt. Change my mind
>betrays Maximus
>orders the slaughter of his family
>does jack shit except sit on his ass
>later on betrays Commodus
He has absolutely no loyalty to anyone and is an opportunistic cunt
omg no one cares about your lifting science user, he could have been a fat 6'2 250lbs guy
of course, and Maximus tells him at the end with the Marcus Aurelius quote. If he wasn't a cowardly faggot then he would have helped him.
Pretty typical Praetorian Guard desu.
At least they gave Joaquin the perfect role (Joker), Daddario as female Joker, when?
He thought it was a way to get the people completely on his side for free. All he had to do was defeat a (as far as he believed) very weakened man.
nice
Would the crowd really have turned to Commodus' side if he'd killed Maximus? Wouldn't they just hate him more for the villain killing the hero?
I thought about it too but I think they'd also respect him for taking down a powerful man like the gladiator and they'd obey him even more out of fear.
Femanon here, I don't care how poetic this movie was. All I think about is a threesome with Maximus and Commodus. Hahahahahahaha all women are whores!
remain celibate
Pretty crazy to think people thousands of years ago pondered these concepts just like us and are now dead and experiencing it.
That’s going to be us when our great x100 grandkids are watching movies/VR sims portraying our time
one thing i never noticed is that he smiles at commodus right after saying that. kino. it goes both ways. absolutely kino.
Did Commodus kiss Maximus after he stabbed himnor am I hearing things? It sounded like he kissed him. Was this a Juda's kiss reference?
Fucking beautiful.
Ridley Scott can be shit, but when he's good he's brilliant.
One of the main things you'll learn studying history, particularly the Romans, is that we've really not changed very much.
>dead and experiencing it.
>dead
>experiencing it.
Uhh.....
>our great x100 grandkids are watching movies/VR sims portraying our time
Our x100 grandkids are either not going to be human or are going to be living in huts
I really think Joaquin's lip scar makes him look extra distinguished.
I had a very similar moment with my own dad (minus the killing and betrayal). I’d be nothing without him
Makes you wonder if it’s all going to repeat again
>achtually
not so much a Judas' kiss, more like a kiss of death.
He is kissing him as a brother, and giving him the respect Maximus deserves as a worthy adversary
I think parts of it will. I certainly think it's foolish to assume that everything will stay the way it is for the rest of time but a lot of things will stay with us. There are parts of human nature which will never go away which is why the walls of Pompeii were covered in shitposting and the modern internet is full of tribalism. Biologically we haven't had long enough to have any significant changes in how our brains process and prioritize information.
Yup I agree. When I realized this that’s when I started hitting the gym hard and focusing on making money and keeping good friends. You basically have to live like a caveman operating in an alien environment because that’s basically what we did to ourselves
I honestly think the dissonance between what problems we're adapted to deal with and what problems we actually face day to day is the main reason everyone is depressed and anxious.
We are either going to merge with technology and become some sort of mecha creatures that are post-human or we are going to start gene-editing ourselves to the point we have everyone with 0 disease living to 200 with 500IQ at which point we are effectively also post-human or a combination of both. Trying to guess the motivations of a post-human is like trying to guess the motivations of aliens. It's certainly not something obvious that people today would like to play a simulation of some human ancestor chimping around in the trees all day.
The main problem with the Romans was the way their political system was setup and how they dealt with succession. It collapsed because of all the plotting and coups and the notion that whoever is popular with the troops can become the next Caesar. Funny enough a different but similar phenomena happens today where you see people caring not for the common good of their people but rather for advancing their own agenda that's why you see them spending 3 years on conspiracy theories about Trump and muh evil soviets.
>Your faults as a son is my failure as a father.
That line always makes me cringe in a good way. Like damn, just straight up tells him he's a shit son. That really had to sting.
I mean you're not entirely wrong but the same motivations that you're talking about are what put Trump in power and are responsible for all of the conspiracy theories about Obama. Like I said, it's still all just tribalism which is why we find it so easy to see the flaws with the Other Side whilst being blind to the issues with Our Side. There are good evolutionary reasons our brains evolved this way but it's not particularly helpful in the world we've built.
He’s easing his pain by letting him know that he isn’t at fault. That normally leads to working on a solution together and growing closer but he decided to kill his dad instead
honk honk
This whole scene feels like Shakespearean act.
>You loved my father, I know. But so did I. That makes us brothers, doesn't it?
Maximus: Brothers? dat mean u finna fuck me too u weird incest fag?
What did Maximus mean by this? Busy bees?
*desert bush breezes past this post*
Whoa, a thread that got over 100+ and it's not capeshit, Alits or GOT. How did this miracle happen?
>The main problem with the Romans was the way their political system was setup and how they dealt with succession. It collapsed because of all the plotting and coups and the notion that whoever is popular with the troops can become the next Caesar.
The issue predates the the empire and even Julius Caesar himself. It started when the Senate tried to tell Sulla that they were stripping him of his command and he was apparently the first Roman general to realize "hang on, the troops love me, they owe their current and future incomes to me, I bet if I just marched against the Senate they'd follow me".
It has less to do with the political system of succession under the empire and more to do with the post-Marian reform Roman army where the common soldier was loyal to his general, not to Rome.
tyrion asking tywin for casterly rock
It was pointless. His father favoured Maximus and Commodus knew that this wouldn't change no matter what. He did what he had to do in order to become an emperor.
Also he was a total nutter irl and would routinely fight in the arena (and demand payment from the public for it of course)
correct, i even wrote a paper on this. prof gave me a B+ because i autism sperged about tactics and cavalry instead of staying on point.
>he could have been a fat 6'2 250lbs guy
That seems pretty unlikely. Even the most anti-Commodus stories point out that he constantly practiced fighting/hunting. It's unlikely that he was fat.
>he's easing his pain
Maybe it's just me but I read it differently
C: I always tried to impress you but you never cared
M: Yeahhh...
C: I'm a shit son and you don't love, just say it!
M: Yeahhh... You're right... You are a shitty son, but it's my fault!
Instead of trying to console he just flat out admits that he's a failure, which would drive any son mad
>he decides to kill him instead
In any other situation it would just probably be a devastating moment for him, but with the added political aspect and knowing that he wouldn't be heir to the throne, that last line is what pushed him over the edge in an already highly emotional moment.
Also another layer
>You're such a shitty heir that you made me question this entire system and I'm transitioning the empire back to a republic
Different user here, I think it's just you. I took that scene as Marcus taking responsibility rather than casting blame.
>prof gave me a B+ because i autism sperged about tactics and cavalry instead of staying on point.
Lol, that happened to me so many times in college.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is yeah he tried to console him but did it in such a cold manner that it inadvertently validated everything Commodus said about himself and made him snap.
I see it both ways. It really seems that Marcus called him out a failure but then, him saying that it was because he was a failure as a father, confirms that is they were both to blame for their own faults. The thing is that Commodus was mentally unstable at that moment and really valuable so those words of his father triggered him more and he acted out of fear because he couldn't stand the thought of keep on living as a failure.
All the real scholarship was done in the 18th century, so Roman historians have to justify their niche jobs by constantly re-evaluating the same two or three sources they have to use. Don't take the revisionism so seriously.
You disgusting jew cocksucker. Gladiator is a beautiful, uplifitng aryan kino that unlike modern capeshit, celebrates heroism and sincerity instead of nihilism and post-postironic pilpul
That and he wanted to be emperor really, really bad
>Gladiator is a beautiful, uplifitng aryan kino
>aryan
The entire story revolves around southern italians and a spaniard though
>What is it in me that you hate so much?
This line right here...
To think that Marcus would choose anyone else over his son, Maximus, the one who he actually wish he was his son instead, Lucilla, he said that if his daughter was a man, she'd be a great Ceasar. Commodus had no chance at all, his father would choose anyone over him and this is exactly why he became like this and you kind of understand him in that way, not particularly support him, hut definitely understand him.
Italians and spaniards are white
And don't forget Lucilla's son as well, he had more chances than Commodus.
Of course italians and spaniards are white. I'm not disputing that. It's just the "aryan" bit i'm questioning.
>Gladiator thread
>5 posts in its a Marvel thread
Why. For fuck sake just go to your own shit threads.
Nooo he would fuck with them and the audience cheered and loved it when he would shoot arrows (decent archer) at gladiators from the Emperor's throne, but he didn't literally get down in the arena and fight anyone.
For what it's worth, irl Marcus nominated Commodus as his successor when he was 5 and Commodus ruled as his co-emperor for 3 years before Marcus' death. I know we're talking about the movie but still.
Don't worry, they left. If you read the whole thread, you'll know that we mostly talk about the movie and Roman history in general.
I know, I was only talking about the movie.
"Aryan" just means it carries the right values, it doesn't matter what the specific plot is. One could write an aryan story about China or Morocco.
Anyone knows if Commodus wanted to fuck his sister in real life too or was this something that they only added in the movie?
why was gladiator so good but robin hood so bad
Purely added for the movie. Commodus was a degenerate who fucked women and some men left and right but not his own sister.
Wait, Commodus fucked men too? I'm not really surprised knowing how most Romans and Greeks were in ancient times but still, it's the first time I hear about this.
Men in tights is good
Also why would they make him an incest freak in the movie? What was the point of it?
making the villain be psychopathic, violent and also a sexual degenerate is like one of the most common tropes there is
AS ONE!! AS ONE!!
SINGLE COLUMN! SINGLE COLUMN!
To inspire the Jaime and Cersei incest lovestory.
To help us, the common viewers, relate to him.
>Wait, Commodus fucked men too?
Yes. Google it.
>relate to him
>incest
user, I have news for you...
Okay but how could Maximus stay still and not react to this? You can't help but respect him even more, anyone else would snap.
>They tell me your son squealed like a girl when they nailed him to the cross. And your wife moaned like a whore when they ravaged her again and again... and again.
they killed shit load of emperors and people trying to be emperor.
i think nero was one of the last that still had some control over them before the praetorian guard decided to decide emperors on their own (aka who had the most money to pay them)
>Wait, Commodus fucked men too?
Yes. It wasn't a big deal either. Roman culture basically said that if you were the top in a gay relationship it was ok. Hadrian, one of the best emperors ever, was openly gay, but it was ok because he was topping a young Turkish man.
If you listen to the commentary, it's more to do with the fact that he sees his father on his knees as expressing weakness, and he freaks out because he's never seen him like that.
Fuck, you guys are making me dig out Gladiator now.
After checking all the scenes in this thread I feel like either watching the movie again or listening to the soundtrack.
It's an amazing soundtrack.
Just rinse sand on your hands
Another (deleted) scene that says a lot about his relationship with his father, even after he killed him.
Truly remarkable!
Done.
>and then commodus would be ninja assassinated by some random character
Well in real life Commodus was assassinated by a literally who (his trainer).
Well not really a literally who since he was someone that Commodus knew but I really wonder why he killed him.
>Orders "fire!" when commanding archers
This triggers me, every time.
I did
Not so different from today, tops are still those who gain more respect from heterosexuals compared to those who bottom.
After Nero died, the motherfuckers auctioned off the throne to the highest bidder. Lmfao.
Can we all agree that the story of Loki and Thor is basically a rip off from this? Marcus/Maximus/Commodus inspired the Odin/Thor/Loki storyline.
I don't like talking about capeshit but you're right, a lot of similarities actually.
Tywin skinning the stag and Lecturing Jaime in the tent
War stories scene with bobbyB
>had a naked bitch chariot
What a chad
>haven't watched GOT s5 yet
>opens comfy gladiator thread
>sees major GOT s5 spoiler
WHY
Why didn't he get an Oscar for this? Was it because he was in his 20s and the academy favoured older actors?
I'm talking about Joaquin btw, I know that Russell got it.
I've been in this thread all day and just got home. I think I'll have to research again for the millionth time. This is one of those movies you can watch over and over and never get sick of it. Why is it so good bros?
don't tease them
it's not even the best gladiator scene
It's because of the great acting, soundtrack and basically the story of a man who seeks for revenge because everything was taken away from him, people usually like these stories, also the fights in the arena are also entertaining to watch, again and again...and again.
>because Gladiator was the capeshit of its era and people are blinded by nostalgia.
Dumb faggot
What did it cost? "Everything" > Every Gladiator scene
I like both. duelists is better though
Since I'm Greek, I'm curious, which Greek historical movie Yea Forums likes the most?
I like this post, I know it's old but I love how someone so wrong can post shit like this without even bothering to check if they're right and then just assume they're an authority.
You have near infinite information at your finger tips and yet you still manage to be completely wrong and tout it as fact.
look at russell crowe's fuckin beard. THEY DIDN'T HAVE CHINSTRAPS IN ANCIENT ROME
damn if only trump did that
I was busy looking at his pits instead so I didn't notice.
What does the budget have to do with it?
Clash of the Titans
Yes, he did. It was a pretty big deal too. Emperors weren't supposed to engage in that kind of stuff as it was considered to be way beneath the dignity of the office.
>The 'Commode' is where you shit.
Pottery
There's no written record of Commodus actually participating in anything even remotely considered gladiatorial and there's no written record of it being quote "a pretty big deal too-" because "Emperors weren't supposed to engage in that kind of stuff."
Commodus was known to PRETEND to be a gladiator in the colosseum, he never FOUGHT anything. The people who were upset with Commodus were Senators who were pissed that Commodus not only had the gal to walk about half naked in the arena shaming them, but also CHARGE the Senate and the people of Rome money to put on his shows. Read a fucking book.
Quintus had Maximus' wife and son murdered, possibly raped. He deserved as bad as Commodus
read something other than shitty wikipedia articles written by brainlet retards who watch Gladiator. It's well documented that the Emperor put on show matches with individuals who were instructed to lose and surrender. Any and all outrage towards Commodus was from individual senators who were mocked in the arena by Commodus and the Senate as a whole which was billed for his shows. When public opinion turned against Commodus there was outrage that so many sesterces were spent on his dick waving antics, but at the time people loved seeing the Emperor play fight in the ring.
He was actually even worse than Commodus because he had no loyalty to anyone, he was just a snake.
Holy fuck the comments on that video are pure unadulterated brainlet cancer
What do they say in the comments? I'm too lazy to check.
He waited for the right moment to get his revenge and it was glorious.
When I first watched the movie, it including this deleted scene as well >youtu.be
Shitty overrated movie, same with crap like Forrest Gump or Saving Private Ryan. Americans are do retarded to praise those empty, tryharding, cheesy fairytales.
It's a bit too sincere and nuanced for that, though I agree it ends up being kind of a pompous and often silly movie.
Those who think that gladiator is like capeshit it's because the Thor movies have the same plot with Gladiator.
Marcus = Odin
Maximus = Thor
Commodus = Loki
Imagine how much more kino this film would have been if Commodus was the main character.
Didn't Faggodus get strangled to death in his bathtub? Didn't seem so strong to me.
I agree. As much as I liked Maximus as a character, I couldn't help but hope for more Commodus scenes in the movie because he was truly a very interesting character.
No I mean removing the whole character of Maximus and making it an actual historical film about Commodus (with a similar psychology) portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix. Though of course, it would no longer be much of a block buster.
That would actually be great, especially if they'd be more historical accurate.
not really, it's more like a low piece of furniture
Basically that he doesn't respect the dead since he's "attacking" his father again and that he has daddy issues.
Hey, if Elagabalus was Emperor for four years, and killed at the age of eighteen and, prior to being emperor, he was the high priest of his god (of the same name), that would mean he was a child while also being the High Priest of that deity. Was that normal in Roman times? I've never heard of such a practice, but for Elagabalus.
For me it is Majorian. A great man determined to save Rome who won many battles and made major reforms. Too bad he was betrayed by the very people he tried to protect.
Elagabalus was Semitic by culture, I don't know much about their practices but it could have been normal to them.
>do retarded
Ok retard
>He actually believes this
Capeshiters are so embarrassing
Wtf, didn't they have better pictures of Russell to post?
Joaquin looks even more intimidating now than he did in his 20s. Imagine what a glorious comeback it would be if Gladiator 2 was a thing and somehow Commodus survived.
The kid actor looks even gayer now.
Now he looks more like the real Commodus than he did back then.
He was actually really aesthetic in Gladiator Tbh.
Is that Commodus as Hercules? So that user above who said that he was obsessed with Hercules was right then.
Definitely!
Cut off the head of an ostrich and present it to the senators?
I'm not even some leftypol faggot, but did you not read the part where I said it was super embarrassing and the senators just laughed at him?
>Cut off the head of an ostrich and present it to the senators?
yes it would be an epic troll
I watched Gladiator at 10 and loved it. Would secretly larp as Maximus when I was stickfighting with friends in the woods.
Ive had two people off the street randomly tell me I look like Joaquin Phoenix in gladiator. One was an obese black man with a mohawk. A friends mom also told me the same thing, as well as my dad. So I guess I look a lot like him.
is heracles the greek spelling?
Dude, are you fucking 35 or something? You sound like an out of touch boomer or a 16 year old faggot.
This isn't fucking anime land, that would definitely not be le ebin trolling. What happened with Shia's HWNDU flag was excellent trolling. Trying to intimidate senators by showing them the head of an ostrich is not le epic trolling.
Be honest, did you come from fucking reddit? I'm not gonna call you a faggot, but be honest, did you or did you not come from fucking reddit?
well considering how much just the thought of it triggered you, I suppose it would be epic trolling.
Based. I wanted so badly to be the leader of my friend group so I could shout commands like Maximus, saying things like "Single column! Single column!", and "As one! As one!"
Unfortunately, I was no Maximus at the time, so I ended up being a Commodus by spreading lies about the group leader until he left to play with some other kids who warred against my own.
In true Commodus fashion, I even lost like a little faggot because my stick fighting skills were inferior to his. I guess history truly does repeat itself, huh? Funny thing was, at the time, I was so certain I was bing the good guy, but now I can laugh and admit I was definitely being the bad guy.
Ah, yes, the reddit-fag eternal. I am indeed triggered by autistic brainlets, how did you know?
Based redditor saying it as it is
Pretty sure the capeshit of that time was Spiderman and X-Men
>fire
Didn't they even say 'loose' in the beginning battle?
>tfw you thought were Arthru Dayne but you were really the Smiling Knight
This but unironically. Every time a new movie came out and all the kids wanted to play it, I was never charismatic, handsome, or leader-like enough to be the main character, no matter how much I tried to fool myself into thinking I was. I guess every good guy needs a villain, and that was my destiny as a kid.
To be fair though, kid me was a sniveling little snake who was both good at playing the villain in make believe, and was also a bastard little rodent in real life.
I always loved being the bad guy because nobody else wanted to be one, everyone would be against you so you'd allow yourself special powers so you can manage to hold your own against a group of other kids alone. That always felt badass to me, I'd always surrender after I beat the shit out of them, let them defeat me and the rise up with newfound power
It was also the only way to manipulate my friends in order to play the games I wanted to play
This. I just researched the movie again tonight and they do say loose in the opening battle scene and then say fire in the execution scene. Seems strange they would mess something up like that.
How pleb can you get? Commodos wanted to be loved, that's literally all he ever wanted. Problem is, he was a cunt and everyone saw that. First his father, then his sister, and then the people he ruled. He saw fighting Maximus as a way to win the adoration of the masses
>back in HS
>bros and I watch Mystic River
>take turns holding each other back while one of us screams “IS THAT MY DAUGHTA IN THERE?!” in front of different places
>in front of bathroom
>in front of other classes
>outside the cafeteria
>outside other groups of kids
>no one knows what the fuck we are even doing
Still good friends with a couple of those guys 9 years later. We watched a good amount of kino for high schoolers. Still watch kino together to this day. Dont know what id do without those guys.
These posts are comfy as fuck. I want to go back.
I always really liked the scene where he had the two pretorians executed and stood right next to them the entire time. He was so calm and graceful about it, yet completely savage.
He deserved an Oscar far more than Russel did, that’s for sure. Without his 10/10 performance as a villain the movie would have felt a lot more generic.