Is he unironically the best king in the series?

Robert was literally the People's Champ. At tournaments he'd be out with the smallfolk getting piss drunk with the rest of the commoners. He'd also regularly visit brothers and taverns, liberally spending gold he didn't own while drowning in good food, good ale and good whores.
Robert may not have been the smartest, most noble or most honorable King and his lazy attitude towards the courts and councils allowed corruption to fester but goddamnit he freed the realm from the grip of the Mad King and if not for Cersei ruining literally everything he'd be remembered as King Robert the Good, who dropped dead of a heart attack with a whores mouth around his cock and a belly full of wine.

>ruled the 7 kingdoms for 20 years without any wars and was loved by the people
There was the Greyjoy rebellion and I'm pretty sure some petty wars in the step stones are mentioned in the books. But yes pretty peaceful really.

Stannis would've been better. Robert did literally nothing. A man who thinks winning and ruling are the same thing.

He did exactly what a king should do.

NOTHING

Robert should have abdicated after the Greyjoy Rebellion and left it to Stannis. He was the best candidate to follow the Mad King by far, but long-term his reign was disastrous.

Also, this turn of events would have actually allowed Robert to be happy.

> the Greyjoy rebellion
Did the non-Ironborn forces even lose a single man in that?

Greyjoy Rebellion was a good war for the realm because literally nobody gave a shit about those inbred reavers so everyone got to go gang up on them and the siege of pyke simply served to generate a bunch of heroes and songs.
Just look at how Thoros was able to coast off his war stories for fucking decades while doing nothing but get drunk at court.

two theons brothers iirc

Spotted the libertarian

Funnily enough the only person to be BTFO in that war was Tywin Lannister.

Probably hard to extricate the notion that you can rule a kingdom from that that you can take it by force

Stannis would never be loved by the people. There would be sveral rebellions against him

He's still the best in the series,
>Joffrey is an inbred retard who ruins everything
>Tommen lets the church, Tyrells, and his mother walk all over him, resulting in numerous catastrophes
>Renly was basically Robert (letting others do the ruling while he fucked around) except Renly himself was a useless gay pussy while gods Robert was strong then
>Robb betrayed the single most important ally he had (who is known for not taking betrayal lightly) throwing his entire campaign away for a piece of pussy
>Cersei is an insane cunt
>Dany is an insane cunt
>Balon was an insane cunt
>Aerys was an insane cunt
The only real competition is Stannis, but I'd say Robert edges him out on account of actually having ruled the entire land peacefully for 10-odd years while Stannis has yet to sit the throne.

The King eats, the Hand takes the shit. Did you even read the books? In the British House of Cards the King and Queen are basically symbols while the Prime Minister runs everything. That user is right

Ya. He realized the bank Jews win no matter what so might as well enjoy yourself and leave the bs paper work to his small council. The poor love a king like that because he's fun and doesn't try to change too much.

Stannis would have meant blood, he'd have refused peace with all the former Targ loyalists who wanted to bend the knee and started a war with Tywin by trying to have Jamie executed for his crimes.
This. Stannis would have run around for decades stamping out rebellions and insurrections, the man would have died from premature aging caused by stress and left no heir behind, this meaning even more war.

Only the nobility hated Stannis. His soldiers were ridiculously devoted to him, as you can see during the Blackwater when they suicidally charge across a bridge of sinking boats burning with wildfire, and when they starve to death on the march to Winterfell. The whole "Stannis is unpopular" thing is bad writing by George anyway, because he's pretty much the ideal medieval king: strong, stern, just. Who cares if he's autistic or antisocial? None of the smallfolk would know that anyway - it makes no sense.

More wine, your grace?

Imagine how fucking happy Robert must have been when he got the news that he got to go to war again AND Tywin fucking Lannister had just been humiliated on his own lands.

When Bobby was king the realm's only problems were being broke. So yeah he's pretty much the beat king in the series.

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the british fought a civil war to end up with that arrangement though.

This 100%
Revolts for what? He was in the small council until Ned Stark’s arrival and he proved to be a competent steward.
He would have had Ned’s and Jon Arryn’s support too.

probably some biased narration. I get the idea that he wasn't well liked by nobility because he was rather aloof.

I think Stannis would let them live if they bent the knee. He said that Joffrey, Renly, Balon and Robb would bend the knee OR be destroyed, implying he'd spare them if they bent the knee.

>Tommen.. let the Tyrells walk all over him
If I got to mating press Smirkfu I'd be fine with being a Tyrell puppet.

based Balon

Oh no...

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More boar, your grace?

Obviously, things were fairly peaceful under his rule.

no tommen is

The only person who hated Stannis was Mace Tyrell, and that was only really because Stannis hated him. I doubt the North, Vale, Dorne, or Riverlands cared, and Tywin would probably be pissed that Robert abdicated but could still adapt to the changing circumstances

Fought a couple

True. He even offered to make Renly his heir. Stannis is far more pragmatic than people give him credit for.

Easy to be loyal when the only alternative is literally being burned alive.

Stannis has 0 charisma. Nobody gives him the respect he deserves. It's a major aspect of his character.

He wasn't good at making rich friends. You need powerful allies to rule a large kingdom. Stannis should have just taken important coastal trading hubs and worked on building large fleet to essentially control all trade leaving and entering Westeros. But for some reason he wanted to force taking Kings Landing and lose the majority of his fleet.

All it takes for the smallfolk to hate him is for him to be against whoring, gambling, drunkenness, and the like. The people loved Robert because he was right there whoring and drinking beside them, while Stannis as master of laws saw the problems those things caused and wanted to crack down on them. Barring his followers (because of course his followers would like him) the smallfolk probably hated him more than the nobility, who (outside of some exceptions) were mostly apathetic to him. He was the looming shadow of a stricter order, while all the smallfolk ever want to do is drink and fuck their problems away.

CAREFUL REDDIT, CAREFUL

Then why didn't they revolt against Baelor the Blessed you faggot?

Not a bad deal for Renly considering how Stannis' wife had a poison womb. But then Renly 'Rainbow Guard' Baratheon isn't exactly a paragon of good ideas.

Stannis wasn't Master of Laws, showfag

I won't fault that, but if you're going to do it at least keep a tighter leash on your mom and the church. Pick a side and stick with it.

>Stannis as master of laws saw the problems those things caused and wanted to crack down on them
Keyword wanted. Stannis was an overly rigid twat but he was at least smart enough to know he needed people like Davos on hand to advise him on where he shouldn't push too hard.

You can be blessed by the church and still execute a large number of "sinners". Who's to say Baelor didn't remove all the degenerates, or enough to deter civil disobedience.

good post

THE BOAR IS PREGNANT

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The same smallfolk who went mad for the sparrow

>Stannis has yet to sit the throne

he's dead

reminder that GRRM wrote Robert thinking of him as having a depressive disorder which he was self-medicating with booze, food and whores. the exaggerated romanticized nostalgia for Lyanna is part of it.

t. Stannis

I agree that the whole strategy was retarded, especially with Tyrion's wildling scouts plot device making Stannis blind to Tywin's movements. I still don't understand why the notoriously martial and militaristic aristocracy didn't respect Stannis as a leader and commander, however. The only way any lord could perceive Renly as a better candidate as King than Stannis is as a puppet, which obviously accounts for his alliance with the Tyrells.

>Tyrells
Letting the Tyrells have more power over the realm and its administration wouldn't have been a bad thing. Tommen fucked up by listening to his mother and even more so by abdicating power to the church, but his deal with the Tyrells was good for him and the realm. Plus, imagine getting to creampie smirkfu every night.

God tier.

must be, since Stannis never had any of his men burned and explicitly forbid it

>depressive disorder which he was self-medicating with booze, food and whores
In other words a relatable character.

Does anyone else remember this guy being the dad in some kind of edgy sitcom called Still Standing? I remember having a crush on the daughter.

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Having the Tyrells rule behind the throne would have been just as bad as the Lannisters. Tywin was the greatest administrator of his era and yet his family's influence still destroyed the Seven Kingdoms. The Tyrells would be no different because they have only the interests of Highgarden at heart, not Westeros as a whole.

Only problem is that once the Queen of Thorns dies you're left with a faggot, an imbecile and a cripple.
>Plus, imagine getting to creampie smirkfu every night.
The real reason Tommen offed himself, he was probably thinking of Margaery's latest offer to cosplay as 'Lady Pounce' for him.

Tywin was the best ruling force, king in everything but official title

>an absentee landlord is better than a fuckup politician
take not america

Fair enough, but it's been 8 years since the last book gimme a break.
Because Baelor the Blessed had the church on his side who held sway over the smallfolk, Stannis worshipped a foreign god who burned people alive. In a Christian country a Pope asking people to be less sinful in the name of their loving god is taken better than an Imam telling them to stop being sinful or be stoned to death. People will give shit up for a church they know, but not for a random autist heathen.
None of them knew him outside of reputation so that doesn't actually matter.

Shame they don't sell dvds of this show anymore. I remember it being decent.

>that redhead daughters

GODS

/his/fag detected

The cripple seems capable and empathetic enough tho

If Robert had abdicated after the Greyjoy rebellion (which is what thhis conversation is about) Stannis would have still been in the faith of the seven.

>be handed all the tools needed to restore the kingdom on a silver platter, and still fuck it up by letting your evil cunt mom and Super Pope run wild when your one job was to tell them, "No," every now and then
Tommen was fucking useless.

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Based stannischad

This - the nobility would in actuality be a lot more supportive of Stannis. I do think, however, that a lot of his unpopularity came from his lack of a male heir, as opposed to Renly who was unmarried but still young.

Tommen with Tyrion at his side would have done pretty well I think.

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>Tommen was fucking useless.
Kids tend to be like that.

Robert/Henry/Bloody Baron posting will always crack me up.
>BOW YOU SHITS!

Stannis unpopularity comes from his desire to reform a very corrupt realm by the very same corrupt people he is trying to defeat

King Edward III was Tommens age when he killed everyone cucking him out of power and exiled his scheming mom, tommen was a bitch pure and simple.

>'Then we will make new lords.'
Why do the goodies always lose?

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He was the Domitian of ASOIAF

Robert abdicating would have caused more problems than it solved. The reason Robert lasted so long is because he's Robert, he was the only guy in the Seven Kingdoms that people could stomach sitting the throne, and those who didn't like it couldn't do shit because they were massively outnumbered. Everyone except the North was plotting the entire time he was on the throne, and things were going to go haywire the second he came off it no matter what.

Bobbyposting STILL is the absolute best thing to have come out of the entire ASOIAF franchise, and has given me more joy than everything else from it.

Hell, best Yea Forums maymay since peak Baneposting almost a decade ago.

Edward III was too pusy to kill his mum after she killed his dad by shoving a fire poker up is ass.

That would have made Tywin salty as fuck.

And through the smoke another wedge of armored riders came, on barded horses. Floating above them were the largest banners yet, royal standards as big as sheets; a yellow one with long pointed tongues that showed a flaming heart, and another like a sheet of beaten gold, with a black stag prancing and rippling in the wind.

Robert, Jon thought for one mad moment, remembering poor Owen, but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was:
"Stannis!"

"Stannis!"

"STANNIS!"

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Robert lasted so long because if you tried to rebel against him you did the only thing that give his life purpose he'd fuck you up.

ONE GOD
ONE REALM
ONE KING

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OURS IS THE FURY

The first time they cheered that in the books I got goosebumps

He'd have just let Cersei run Tyrion out. Tommen was too malleable, too sheltered and weak, poor guy was never fit for the position.

He stripped her of all power and exiled her to the country forever she was dealt with also the hot poker up the ass is generally considered a myth, tommen should have manned up like edward so his age really has nothing to do with it.

>this turn of events would have actually allowed Robert to be happy.

that would have taken prozac and whatever psych treatment they give to soldiers with PTSD, m8.

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There is also the fact that Robert didn't give a shit about politics and just let everybody do whatever the fuck they wanted. They had no reason to rebel against him.

based

damn, now I understand why people tell me that I should not shave

do you have a webm or large gif of the Baratheon charge in the show?

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Its always a mark of a brainlet when they .bitch about how "unpopular" stannis is yet dont realize that the same characters are some of the most corrupt in the series. Truly shows the mindset of the popularity contest loving NPCs.

Cercei would have to be dead for that to happen.

>He stripped her of all power and exiled her to the country
PUSSY. If someone fucked a king of Scotland to death you can be sure his son would avenge him.
>the hot poker up the ass is generally considered a myth
English propaganda to cover up the fact that one of their kings got fucked in the ass until he died

Thanks for telling me, it's everything i ever needed
youtube.com/watch?v=EgSbVbNzeUY

>tfw if Renly hadn't been so greedy and dumb the Baratheons would have won the war in a fortnight

That's homos for you

Tywin was absolutely the best ruler for Westeros after Robert got boared, and when he died literally the only half decent candidate left was Stannis, I'll give you that.

Where is the Roose Bolton equivalent for house lannister, a lower house under the lannister banner just waiting to jump up and seize power for themselves at any sign of weakness? Does georgie really think the richest family in westeros that just lost it's patriarchs and claimant to the throne isn't going to have an internal civil war? Cersei would've been killed months after Tywin died when some lords under the lannister banner had her assassinated. Georgie Porgie is a big fan of muh realism until it interferes with his plot.

>Combining Robert, Renly and Stannis into one person would create the perfect human being
Is this intentional by GRRM?

stannis also heavily relied on the red woman. not sure how different he is in the books, i heard he is portrayed much better, but show version he seems pretty incompetent and unable to make his own decisions

key aspect of writing characterizations: contrast.

Unironically, something to do with Stags killing eachother while mating too

that belt can barely contain him

FAT, IS IT?

Dont think killing your own mom is the best look to start your reign, especially after the chaos of his dads reign. Edward III out schemed his mom and sent her away in exile forever just as Tommen should have with cersei. As for the hot poker myth it would have been easily detectable if this was the case and Edward IIs body was displayed in public and I feel like Edward III would have been less merciful if he knew his dad was murdered so savagely.

Tywin killed the Bolton and Karstark equivalent of the Lannisters long before the shows time

>Dont think killing your own mom is the best look to start your reign,
Get your dad's sodomised corpse to fuck her ass to death with a fire poker and claim it was an act of god

Book Stannis relies on her magic and the sway she has over others, but isn't an incompetent pushover about it. Rather than being a bumblefuck who lets her and Davos make all his decisions, he listens to their counsel then tells them what to do.

Because cuck grum said so?
Stannis had hoghly charismatic traits both in the book and in show.

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In the books Stannis is a lot more wary of Melissandre and doesn't listen to her as much. It's his wife who pressures him into burning people and follow the lord of light. Stannis doesn't really give a shit about that. But she's helping him so he tolerates her.

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I miss him so much bros

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Nah, he is horrible king, but he will be remembered as one of the best ever:

Killed crazy inbred king who was insulting all religions of the realm
Had only minor was that he quickly dealt with instead of years of wars destroying the realm
His rulevwas during long summer so life was easier with lots of food and no freezing to death in your home

GODS I WAS A BOAR THEN

Honestly, I think he's the reason we all got hooked on the show.

He really sold the universe in the first season so well, that we just bought everything else so much more easily.

Actually all Stannis would need is Roberts hairline and he'd be fine.

season 1 of got was kino telemundo. specifically because of ned and robert, their friendship was amazingly portrayed. 3 CHEERS FOR HOUSE BARATHEON!!

HIP HIP

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GODS Yea Forums WAS STRONG THEN.

>Tywin was absolutely the best ruler for Westeros after Robert got boared
No, he was the best ruler for House Lannister. Tywin was a tunnel visioned loser who only ever cared about being remembered.

Before Stannis obliterated entire ironborn fleet it actually was really bad for 7 kingdoms.

>kill off the best character in the show in the first season
What did they mean by this?

Tywin ran an incredibly well tight ship unlike the other big houses tbf.

Yeah, I remember that I immediately recognized him when I first started watching GoT, precisely bcause of this show.

stannis becomes the new lich king

baratheon = based italian mobsters
lannister = greedy hook nosed kikes
starks = "what's that some kind of polack?" tier

any questions?

GODS user, THOSE WERE THE DAYS

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which one, user?

thanks for sharing these epic 100x100 tumblr gifs you retarded mouth breathing faggot

Not in the books.

>kill off the two best characters in the show in the first season

I know that it was staying true to the source material, but GODS if Mark Addy and Sean Bean aren't in a completely different realm of acting compared to the rest of the show.

He's unironically the beat character in the show and I've been saying it for years. I'm a relative newfag to Yea Forums and wasnt around during season 1 but I remember me and my friends all thinking Bobby was based af and just quote him all day

Bolton and Karstark are to Winterfell as Tarbeck and Reyne were to Casterly Rock. The difference is Ned was willing to overlook certain things so long as they never took it too far, whereas Tywin murdered their entire fucking bloodline.

post better if you have it, otherwise fuck off

Council that should rule
> Tywin - warden of souf, treasury
> Roose - warden of norf
> Bobby - military
> Stannis - military
> Qyburn - science
> High Sparrow - religion
> Victarion - navy

Karstark was originally put in place to keep the Boltons in check for House Stark.

Robb just shit the bed on running his bannermen.

do you know what a webm is you newfag dumb fuck retarded piece of shit fag balls

Baratheons are welsh

I recognised him from the Full Monty

no why don't you post your stannis vs mance webm and show it off. i'll wait.

The Boltons and Karstarks never took the piss in the way the Westerlords did. I mean the Boltons did at the red wedding but they got away with it.

Council would be scheming and infighting within a week. Tywin and Roose would use their positions from without to join forces, Qyburn would be easily bought, they'd take out the High Sparrow first then incite Victarion to rebellion and the dumb fuck would do it, then steamroll the rest for themselves.

The Mountain Clansmen are Welsh and the Valemen are Camro-Normans

>then incite Victarion to rebellion and the dumb fuck would do it

why are the ironborn so dumb?

>tywin

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>Eddard Stark had never had any reason to complain of the Lord of the Dreadfort, so far as Jon knew, but even so he had never trusted him, with his whispery voice and his pale, pale eyes.

And the Karstarks were always loyal until Robb decided to kill their lord, right?

Nah it should be

>Bobby - King
>Tywin - Hand
>Roose - North
>Randyl Tarly - South
>Tyrion - West
>Sweetrobin - East
>Littlefinger - Coin
>Stannis - Military
>Euron - Navy
>Qyburn - Grand Maester
>Jaime - Leader of Kingsguard
Kill the high septon and have Moqorro being the Lord of Light as the true religion of westeros

Tywin was because Tywin actually paid denbts. Robert just created them.

Anyone got the Littlefinger court scene greentext?

>not Night King

fun fact, in that episode where Robert is in that tent trying to get that armor chest piece on you can see his helm in the background, which looks like some crusader helm with deer horns on it. The fact that he also wielded a huge greathammer made me think of him as some kind of paladin. I love that idea.

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Wrong. The Mountain Clansmen are Scythio-Celts from Neolithic China and the Valemen are Texans

Which public school did you go to? Some state that starts with a K?

fuck these kikes for killing him
or what if
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and then after googling this picture I found this which is perfect. I love that fucking armor set (as well as the white/silver one in the foreground)

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BOW BEFORE YOUR KING
BOW YA SHITS HAHAHAH

>tfw you fight a war against monkeys and lose

It made no sense for him to become king. He didn't want to, and nobody wanted him. He shoulda just called a Great Council and let them make Aegon the new king

Antlers are kino its also why Bobby has the coolest crown in the show

He did and they did, it was only afterwards everyone realised they fucked up.

That's Lyonel Baratheon vs Duncan the Tall isn't it?

sounds plausible
but you got one last part of that wrong
> steamrolling this guy

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>nobody wanted him
The only reason he took the throne is because he was the only choice everyone could stomach.

Rheagar and his army must have know they had already lost when he charged at them head first wearing this.

I think prime Bobby would've struck fear into the Dothraki on his own.

>crowns
They still have those?

yes
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Damn right

test

LF is too lowborn to sit in the Chad Council
Tyrion too disabled
Euron too turbulent
otherwise good

LANCEL YOU MAY BE A STUPID LANNISTER WITH A WHORE MOTHER BUT DAMN BOY YOU ACTUALLY FOUND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER

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Cersei still wears one

He was the only choice that could stomach everyone
ftfy

The Night King wore one.

Memes aside Robert's strength was in those loyal to him, he had the North, the Vale, the Stormlands, and the Riverlands. Making Roose the Warden of the North removes both the North and the Riverlands, the Vale wouldn't support him fully without Jon Arryn in court (and I can't see Lysa letting him drag them to war for Bobby's sake rather than poisoning him to protect her boy and keep them neutral), all he'd have is the Stormlands and even if he kept the Vale that's still not enough to hold out. All Tywin has to do is promise Roose free run of the North, get Jaime married to Maegaery for Tyrell support, and Bobby wouldn't be able to do shit.

yummy

Which is why Robert was married with Cersei to lock in direct Lannister support. There would've been no war.

If only he'd married some Tyrell girl instead

Until she had him killed, you mean?

Robert being alive was holding no war because they were married. That's the subject of him being best king. Him dying, even if it's by his wife, is what causes the war.

Smirky wasn't even alive at the time, but man if I was a king I would've personally dragged her into my castle and popped out 18 kids from that cooch.

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Right, but in user's fantasy council he still dies and the war still comes is the point.

You don't reward those that fought against you. He gave them great leniency after the war anyway, but he couldn't politically marry into them if they had a spare.

This is why Stannis marries a Florent, to reward them for supporting Robert over their liege and as a subtle reminder to the Tyrells that they can always support another claimant to Highgarden if needs must.

We do not kneel.

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>btfo by best king's little brother

Careful!

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>proceeds to burn his own daughter alive

>There would be sveral rebellions against him
no there wouldn't.
they'd grumble and be a bit disobedient and drag their feet and give him grief but they wouldn't rebel when Robert, Jon arryn and ned stark are still alive and when the baratheons have a strong coalition of the starks, tullys, arryn's and baratheons. That's 4 of the seven kingdoms on the same side. Who is going to openly rebel other than a retard like Balon?

Well that's why he's second best king innit

Hell yeah. I loved hearing Robert sharing war stories with Jaime and Barristan Selmy. "Stupid boy...thinking he could end the rebellion with one swing of his sword. I knocked him down with the hammer. GODS I WAS STRONG THEN." Such a good scene,"

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peasants by and large are highly religious because obviously they are.
a king with integrity is great for the smallfolk dummy

Bobby B was a god-tier king in terms of leading armies and winning allies. That's just all he gave a shit about.

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>LARPing crow thinks he's a wildling

Being highly religious doesn't mean actually following the rules of the religion, dummy. Irish peasantry are heavily devout Catholic yet still drank, smoked, fought, and fucked to their heart's content. There's a difference between telling people not to do something and actually enforcing laws on them.

I loved seeing him wield that warhammer (not in a gay way) because warhammers/greathammers are my favorite weapons in fantasy stuff (media, storytelling, what encompassing term should I use?). People say that warhammer is not realistic at all but what metal is that supposed to be made out of. Maybe only the back part can puncture armor a bit but the large side is just meant to knock people down and crush things, It;s better than nothing and he obviously can wield it well.

>Irish peasantry are heavily devout Catholic yet still drank, smoked, fought, and fucked to their heart's content
broad generalisation there let's see some statistics cunt

I was hoping to have a funny reply to this but now I'm just thinking that the center part of that armor is probably good for deflecting certain weapons. Idk how strong it would be but I feel like spears might be deflected a bit because of that shape.

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Tommen would’ve done fine if Tyrion didn’t kill Tywin on the toilet.

The Irish mob and the IRA are very heavily documented and still active today while maintaining a position of Catholicism, I don't know why you'd even dispute this other than ignorance.

That's the entire point, primarily for deflecting arrows.

>comparing mob and IRA to medieval peaseantry
Retard

Does anyone have the pic of the wojack holding the AARRRGGH flag and crying?

oh yeah of course. that makes a lot of sense.

>Thinks the Irish mob and the IRA have fuck all to do with being Catholic

>Thinks he knows the Irish

I would also argue the "Irish are devout Catholic" thing, too. Only someone who gets all of their info on Ireland and what being Irish means from TV and movies would think that. My family comes from Ireland, we have relatives there we talk to, I've been there, and I still don't get all the nuances and attitudes towards the church there after all these years.

"Catholic" definitely means something different in Ireland than most other places, but these broad, TV generation based comments are amusing.

aarrrghhh...

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>don't compare peasants to peasants
Fuck off, there's 2000 years of history proving that a city or country actively following a religion that forbids whoring, gambling, drinking, drugs, and other vices, does not stop people from engaging in them (even those close to the religion), and any official action to outlaw these things ends in conflict. Look at the god damn prohibition for a recent example. Go be an ignorant cunt somewhere else.

>tfw if Renly hadn't been so greedy and dumb the Baratheons would have won the war in a fortnight
Dabid's heroic king everyone.

show bobby b sure
book stannis tho

>I would also argue the "King's Landing is devout to the Seven" thing, too. Only someone who gets all their info on King's Landing and what it means to live there from hearsay and stories would think that. My family comes from King's Landing, we have relatives there we talk to, I've been there, and I still don't get all the nuances and attitudes towards the Seven there after all these years.
It's almost like a place being majority to a religion doesn't stop the place from having and engaging in shit that goes counter to that religion, which was my entire point.

King Alfred would have saved westeroes

all i got

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why do the davids love renly so much?

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He's a fag.

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Ye. It's one of the most rewarding things in reading and rereading the books. First read through Stannis seems like a massive cunt, outside of the Davos and Jon chapters where he seems alright. Then you realise you're getting most of your info on him from people like Littlefinger, Varys, Cersei and Renly, scheming rats who know Stannis wouldn't tolerate their bullshit. When he's filtered through the viewpoint of decent, honest characters like Davos and Jon, he's a good king.

GODS

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Bran and Gendry and Rickon and Joffrey and Tommen and Jojen and Dickon and Lancel and Loras are so handsome.

BESSIE

Damn I missed when the series was like this. Anything after 4 is trash.

I was agreeing with that, pull the massive stick out of your ass.

My suspicion when it comes to the Irish, is they bowed to the Church because of Cromwell, and do whatever to keep the Pope off their backs, but at home, it's business as usual. The attitudes I saw in rural Ireland is that going to church was for women and children - the men would stand around the church gate during the service, and as soon as it was done, headed off to the pub. Or you'd see an old woman walk home from church, and put a plate of milk out at night for the fairies.

I mainly remember him as one of the steel workers-turned-strippers from The Full Monty. Should've just learned to code really.

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After 1*

I would agree that is likely they just liked Renly because he was gay. They had such a surface level understanding of the material, and making Renly 'the perfect King' was a prime opportunity to virtue signal.

>>Thinks the Irish mob and the IRA have fuck all to do with being Catholic
>>Thinks he knows the Irish
>I-I was ag-greeing

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>After 1*
Yeah, season 2 has some great moments, but their spin on Stannis is so blatant from the beginning that it really sours the season.

To CK2 GoT mod players, what's your current game's story?

>Started as Rhaegar, won the war and even managed to beat Robert in a duel. Took his eye and he died of infection after a week.
>Stannis the "Redstag" is my loyal LP married to my grandaughter from Rhaenys and Loras
>Aegon was a evil shit so I send him to the Wall and Aemon (Jon Snow) inherited
>He starts as Old Gods, use that and his genius trait to reform the religion to allow polygamy and be proclaimed a God-King

Now Aemon is dead and as his grandson gave his daughter to a Tully who has joint rule of the Trident and Vale through inheritance. I married two of my daughters to him and he murdered one so now I'm preparing to declare war on him and tear him limb from limb

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MORE WINE NED, OR I'LL BURN THE WHOLE BLOODY RED KEEP DOWN

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I always play as a (fem)bastard of the nightswatch maester, then fuck Robert until he dies. Gods I was strong then.

>drank, smoked, fought, and fucked to their heart's content
Close but not quite. Irish here. Drank? Yes. Smoked and fought? Yes. Fucked? No. Ireland was extremely conservative about sex. If a woman was suspected of having sex before marriage, it wasn't uncommon for her to be sent to a "laundry" a religious institution where they would often live out a large part of their life and be treated fairly brutally.

Yeah, kinda. He was pretty mediocre , but compared to the kings who came after and the one immediately before, he is easily the best of them. That said he still bankrupted the kingdom and in general fucked a lot of things up in a way that set all this later shit up. I think it's less that he was a good king and more that the bar for good kings these days is so fucking low.

I find it hard to judge the quality of kings on this show when so little time is spent on their tax policies.

Wasn't it said Aerys reign was the most peaceful compared to Stagshit rule?

Hell even his "insane" act of killing Ed's brother and father is barely that awful. Brandon Stark was a retard who literally rode to King's Landing and said "I'm gonna kill your favorite son Rhaegar Targaryen!"

>started as random shitter reachman in the War of the Five kings bookmark.
>Lannisters won the war of the five kangs, Jaime got sent to the wall, became LC and soloed all the WWs.
>Joffery managed to squeeze 2 kids out of margery before being kidnapped by some random Bravoosi shitter that keep him locked up for decades till his death.
>5 lannister rulers follow, mostly short lived or tyrannical.
>after I finally manage to get the reach via marriage and assassination, the lannister lose the Throne to the Arryns via marriage (inhertiing queen in regular marriage).
>The arryns Lose the throne because the first arryn on gets murdered by the one Wildling they subjugated when they had the "expand realm" ambition.
>Take control

>Targaryan Bastard
>Legitimate Bastard House Customiser
>Choose House Goldfyre because it sounds cool
>Robert dies
>his baby son inherits
>immediately overthrown by Stannis
>die and replaced by Roberts son
>Robert's son dies after a year
>Renly takes charge still a kid
>years pass I control Cracklaw point and some other lands at this point
>Viserys invades
>dies
Daenarys takes over
>no kids
>choose seduce
>fuck her
>she legitimises my kid
>mfw cracklaw point wins the game of thrones

Allowing a situation where your death immediately causes a power vaccuum with huge strife is what a bad king does though.

>all he did was incited an easily avoidable rebellion that fractured his kingdom and ruined his family's dynasty and legacy
ye gr8 king

No. He chose weak man as his hand and surrounded him with wolves. What happened was inevitable. Geoffrey was far better because he gave position to the best man possible.

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He didn't know Joffrey wasn't his son though. His plan was Ned rule as regent until Joffrey comes of age, Tommen and Myrcella are back ups. From his point of view, the line of succession was pretty secure.

He made a habit of burning people to death. Jaimie said it was the only way he could get an erection. He was fucking nuts and wanted to murder everyone in his city so he could turn into a dragon.

>House Magnar of Skagos during the Blackfyre Rebellion
>Win the Skagosi rebellion against the Stark's thanks to savescumming, mercenaries and straits.
>Broke and in debt, begin raiding the Stepstones to cover the loans I have to pay back.
>Get Poison from one of the lords of the Stepstones, now I have a Valyrian sword.
>Pay to cover the debts.
>Blackfyres won the war, Seven Kingdoms in Chaos but I know I don't have long till the North or the whole 7 Kingdoms attack me to get me back into the fold.
>Invade Hardhome, give it to my second son.
>Die.
>The war against me starts.
>Immediately surrender
>Rejoin the north.
>My fleet is immediately destroyed, can no longer raid
>Feels bad man

And he took no measures into ensuring his wishes would be respected after his death literally no one gave a fuck that Cersei tore Roberts will apart.

>be a shit king, bankrupt the realm, raise dysfunctional family, heir is a retarded psychopath and wife is a murderous narcissist
>die and pass on all reaponsobility to your friend who never wanted it to begin with, dooming your best friend and his entire family
Yeah robert really took steps to ensure the peace after his death

He got cucked by Lyanna, and then he got cucked by Cersei.

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Aegon the Conqueror exists.
More whores, your grace?

Tommen and Margaery with Tywin as hand would've been better, but considering the rest of his competition were psychopaths like Aerys and Joffrey, yeah, he was pretty good.

I hope they make a spin off about him
"Bobby b's boars and whores"

except that's joffrey

Bobby has literally cucked a dude out of seven fucking kingdoms. One man can only be so strong.

>glorifying a man whose probably responsible for 1/2th of all the kids born in the last 20 years at King's Landing being likely all his bastards

Aerys also killed 200 men who accompanied the Starks. Men who had done nothing.

God I wish that was me

Tommen would've been a good king had Cersei not fucked that up too.

Tom, Marg and High Sparrow would have been the best alliance.

It's not like High Sparrow was evil, even punishing Loras for being gay was more to force Margery to be loyal to the Faith.

>glorifying an absolute Chad who slew every pussy from Dorne to the Wall
Yes, and?

>Hang out with a guy who openly states he'll murder the heir apparent of the Iron Throne
>Not treason

>gets NTR'd behind his back by a blonde pretty boy for 20 years
>Chad

It's only NTR if he actually gives a shit.

Gotchu senpai

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>duels, which are legal
>murder

BOAR SWINE, YOUR GRACE?

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Your kind of autism is why Aerys and Rhaegar got overthrown lol

>No, this can't be! I am the Dragon! REEEEEEE!!!

So then Rhaegar with Lyanna since Lyanna never loved Robert and one of the main reasons why she was in love with the Dragonprince was because of Robert being a drunkard and womanizer. That counts then.

>Wasn't it said Aerys reign was the most peaceful compared to Stagshit rule?
If you mean the Mad King/Aerys II, then fuck no. The start of his reign might have been that way in the books but the last 20 or so years before the rebellion, he was pretty much insane. Imprisoning people for small or made up crimes, commoner or lord alike, complaining about how "lord right" i.e. a higher caste should still have the ability to fuck a lower one's wife even on their wedding day, and shit like that.

So no.

When he first became king, he was good for like 10-15 years, then the rest of it was him getting progressively more insane and unstable; burning people for the glee of it, thinking if he killed an entire city's population he'd turn into an actual dragon, etc...

Also keep in mind that his early reigns relative stability was pretty much all Tywin

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based smiling stannis

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Roose Bolton would be the best King.

Sure, that does count, but Robert did cave his fucking chest in afterwards which wins him some points back.

>Don't like Robert because he's unfaithful
>fall in love with a married man with two children and a sickly wife
So this is the true power of women?

>Jaime
I like Jaime, but I prefer Barristan Selmy

And now Rhaegar and Lyanna's son is going to rule the Seven Kingdoms. Rhaegar wins again, baby.

Ahem
fuck bobby
fuck tywin
fuck stannis
fuck renly
fuck dany
fuck cersei
fuck tommen
fuck joffrey

go Robb
KING IN THE NORTH KING IN THE NORTH KING IN THE NORTH

Imagine Roose as the Hand and Tywin as the King. Would be a pretty based duo.

>Rhaegar planned out all of this shit decades in advance and ends up with the true postmortem victory

>but neglected for the one possibility of his son becoming an auntfucker

>mfw all these stannis shitters exist
we all know the true king is RENLY and he only faked his death

Not accurate. Robert was hugely popular with the commons - and the lords, too.

this but ironically unironic

GODS HE WAS STRONG THEN

Targs commit first order incest constantly. Aegon the Conqueror was married to BOTH of his smoking hot sisters.

She doesn't mind stealing someone else's husband, but doesn't like the idea that Robert would set her aside. Pretty normal adulterer's mentality.

Yeah and remember why there was a common saying in Westeros for a reason why the Targaryens were either born great or insane.

>gambling, drinking, drugs
Since when are any of these forbidden under Catholicism?
>Look at the god damn prohibition
That was backed mostly by Evangelicals. Catholics were always opposed iirc
>they bowed to the Church because of Cromwell
You're historically illiterate. Cromwell was a Puritan and rabidly anti-Catholic. The strong Irish support of the Catholic Church is a big part of what lead to Cromwell's brutal Irish campaign.

>declare yourself king because you don't have the balls to tell Greatjon to shut his fat mouth
>fail to make any alliances whatsoever and send the Greyjoys someone who knows all the North's weaknesses
>break a deal with a lord known for being vindictive who holds the key to your most strategically important location
>turn the guy who openly flays dudes and has a long running hatred against your house into your number two man
>don't tell Edmure the plan, then blame Edmure for not following the plan
>let your mom get away with high treason but behead a guy for calling that bullshit
The king who lost the North.