Marathoning the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan

We should allow transgender people to join the military but only use them in D-Day type scenarios.

It was an extremely successful operation. This is what total war looks like, people do die, war is supposed to be a big deal.

Finally a purpose in life for them.

Sexism, not one woman in the entire scene. Its well known women contributed much to D-day.

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>69 digits
based reply user

they've shoul've nuke berlim

>Land in Norway
>Still no land path to Germany (unless you want to all the way round, in that case just land in Russia.)

Landing in Denmark would make sense though.

they doubled as the cooks and started a barbeque for the when their soldiers came back

>marathoning
>twenty minutes

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>Obama beach
What did they mean by this?

how do you watch moveis then?

why didn't they just ask spain to let them land there

It was the first progressive beach

So what is your strategy to land ground forces into europe without using beaches, OP?

Let's hear it you brilliant tactician you

Giant tunnel

railroads

They considered Norway and rejected it. It wasn't just about taking that beach. They need air support, tanks, supplies and all that after they've taken the beach. You have to move that stuff from England, so it helps that it's pretty close.

They didn't know how to spell "Michelle" correctly.

>why didn't they just ask spain to let them land there
Spain was neutral. They had their civil war in 1936 and Franco didn't want anything to do with WWII.

Umm idk...fucking PLANES?

You know they did that, literally at the same time, right?
You might have heard the words Operation Market Garden before?
It was a big deal.

Why didn't the eagles fly them to Private Ryan?

literally how new are you?

just trade him some gpt for military access, sheesh

>Umm idk...fucking PLANES?
They did use planes and gliders. The gliders sucked, american technology was pretty shitty its just we, like the USSR had more of it than the germans.

>started a barbeque for the when their soldiers came back
using the soldiers who didn't come back as an ingredient?

How's your first week?

Why didn't the Germans just kill them with tiger tanks?

C A T A P U L T

they died, they were also british

>needs to verify D day's existence on google

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We would have anyway if we wanted to and told Franco to pound sand. The problem was the Pyrenees.

Why didn't the use tanks?

The Americans took the cliffs you retard

where would you have gone retard?

Rangers did, youfat mong

>Why didn't the Germans just kill them with tiger tanks?
They lost most of their tanks on the eastern front, where the real war occurred.
The Germans had actually lost the war in 1943 at Kursk. From that point on they were just delaying the inevitable.

Ah, I see you got tired of nobody taking your obvious bait and decided to samefag. A bold move.

pretty far from england.

too close to german waters... germans had very few ships/u-boats left, but still risky

To supply the shitloads of US soldiers/tanks, they had to build giant pontoons, to build up a large improvised harbor... (slow travel, long distance)

the english channel was easier to defend (choke point) from german vessels, to prevent supply cuts.
In danish waters, this would've been a nightmare

stop ruining this place with your low IQ baitslurping

Trade units with Russia.
Send all our mechanized units West to link up with them. Have them send all their infantry units East to link up with ours.
All the tanks and shit roll on Germany from the East, all the infantry is airdropped into Europe and hits Germany from the West.
No beaches, no fucking around securing bridges, war's over before xmas

Most Axis troops in Normandy weren't even German, you sweaty hands soft faced booby

no, you're wrong, american's got the absolute worst of all the beach landings at omaha. read a fucking book. The brits and canadians got off easy.

why land in norway? you have to understand that this was the american's view of the war: to establish a beachhead on normandy, and to start to advance straight into Germany and Berlin to end the war before Christmas 1944.

It was Monty and his pussy tactics that extended this entire bullshit by starting off in North Africa, up the tough underbelly of Italy, and tons and tons of strategic bombing before landing on the beaches of Normandy. Which is understandable from his perspective considering the Brits had a small army and didn't want to see them massacred like they were at the Somme and Paschendale 30 years before.

basically the americans wanted to go in hard and fast and end the war with their vast military and industrial might, however they were a bit naive and gungho going into it which is expected in american psychology right after being bombed at pearl harbor.

i wouldn't do it. fuck that noise, too hard.
let the soviets sort that shit out

>45% casualty rate
>before the hatches even open

>hide on their continent for the interesting parts pretending to be neutral
>do some mopping up against pensioners and schoolkids
>beat the propaganda drum until everbody believes it was them winning the war.

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Point of order: you're coming off as arrogant.

shut up brainlet pussy.

to be fair, america didn't try to annex half of europe after the war

really?

the US media telling you the US won WW2.
But it was 90% the russians that defeated the germans.

Everything good (tanks, skilled soldiers, etc) was at the east front

hmm. perhaps there was another theater of operations that was relevant?

Point of order: Keep it topical. No bullying. Thank you.

>right after deliberately letting themselves being bombed at pearl harbor to gain a proper casus belli against a Japan that only started the big shit to get out of the US embargo forcing their hand.
ftfy

Biiiip. Yeah they did.

WWII was won by british intelligence, american steel, and russian blood.

everyone knows this.

read a book. have sex

i know...did i say otherwise?

what's your point?

i just said that denmark would've been a (way) worse place for a naval invasion.

There were some tank divisdions in reserve, but to move them to the beach would have required the Führer's approval. Unfortunately, the Führer liked to sleep in and nobody on his staff dared wake him.

Killing nazis must feel good i think

>not trading with us is the same thing as us attacking you

>sword beach: 683 casualties
>omaha beach: 3-5K casualties
Never mind the fact the the troops landing at omaha were unlucky to be landing right in the middle of a fucking german training exercise

when it comes to the defeat of the german army, it's 90% because of the russians.

you can't deny that

North africa and west-front was a joke compared to east front

They established vassal states. That's not better.

Are you a historian?

Threw it in reverse and grabbed more guys

>british intelligence
oxymoron

i've read alots of historical wars (not only WW2)

historian, no
....are you?

>setting up a war is the same as being attacked

Those cuppies and jam pieces didn't make themselves.

when it comes to the russian army being able to fight, it's 90% because of american industry.
at the end of the war, over 75% of russian trucks were produced in america
no american supplies and equipment, no russian army

The Americans won the war. Without the western front the Russians would have lost.

>vassal states
>with free and fair elections
>that don't have to contribute anything to their liege
>actually get military protection for free
the nicest vassal states I ever heard of

For trannies, every day is a D-Day of some kind

How the fuck are you going to airdrop tanks, trucks and artillery genuis

>British intelligence

LMFAO, 3/4 of the soldiers in western europe were americans, the british empire got BTFO at the end of the war

Haven't you seen the A Team movie

>Landing in Denmark would make sense though.
it wouldn't. the first order of business was to liberate france. the germans expected the amphibious landing at calais, the closest point between britain and france, and thus this area was heavily fortified.

the much wider beaches of Normandy meant that it spread the german forces thin, which became the case as most of the landings, except for omaha, were met with little resistance. omaha was the only beach that had an entire fresh german division just happen to show up.

>Omaha, the most heavily defended sector, was assigned to the U.S. 1st Infantry Division, supplemented by troops from the U.S. 29th Infantry Division.[122][130] They faced the 352nd Infantry Division, rather than the expected single regiment.[131] Strong currents forced many landing craft east of their intended position or delayed them. Casualties were heavier than all the other landings combined, as the men were subjected to fire from the cliffs above.[132]

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why didn't they use 3 inch thick steel shields?

eagles

bomb the beach first

d day was written by dabid confirmed

free elections of a bunch of parties that all have the same program basically. Is there just one that wants to change the economic order that isn't instantly outlawed?
with a liege people would at least know who their master was.
military protection for free...seriously. In a world where might makes right the only thing you need is A-bombs and means of delivery. That's why North Korea isn't part of the West's economic system yet.

really?
didn't knew that.

however....it was the T34, unlimited manpower, bad terrain (mud, in spring and autumn) and the change to a more defensive startegy than human waves that broke the german armies neck

Why didn't they just have like 50,000 planes drop bombs on their defences then rush in?

their jewish european contact told them the beaches were wide open and unguarded

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take your shitty thread to /his/ mate. These never lead to anything

They started to fuck each other navy style

they did...

at least they bombed (aircrafts) and shelled (BBs, DDs) the beachline like crazy.
Just like they did at other amphibious attacks like iwo jima.

didn't work that well with the concrete bunkers, tho

I would have just let Germany win. They had pacified the holy land too, what the fuck were we doing fighting against the germans???

imagine being a paratrooper on d-day
that must have been shit

>>go on google
>>D day actually happened

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>when it comes to the defeat of the german army, it's 90% because of the russians.
no one fucking denies this. who is denying this? literally all it takes is to look up the casualities of Barbarossa, Stalingrad, and the entire eastern front. Russia was invaded in 1941, and Britain did jackshit from then to 1944.

i am a historian. i studied this in college. i'm also a /his/fag.

british intelligence meaning cracking enigma you idiot.

this but also stalin was ruthless. order no. 227, not evacuating stalingrad because "soldiers would fight harder for an occupied city rather than an empty one", and moving all factories to the ural mountains.

hitler was also stupid to underestimate the russians, which was understandable considering their embarassing defeats in Finland and such. he is quote as saying "you have nothing more than to kick in the front door and the whole rotting structure will come crashing down" - what he didn't know was that blitzkrieg worked only in small countries with their backs against the wall. france had the channel, poland had russians at the end. russia however goes on and on, is featureless terrain, and fucked with german morale hardcore.

yes lend-lease was a big deal.

japan was being an imperialist fuckboy, so of course they'd be embargoed. just like german u-boats sinking american escort ships that were protecting british recipients of war contraband. there's tons of footage of american politicians explaining this as they ran against FDR in 1940's election.

they did this but with people. they sent in 101st airborne the night before the landings.

underrated.

they did this. pretty hard to destroy all the pillboxes and concrete fortifications. amphibious warfare is a bitch, just look at the pacific war and island-hopping. hitler particularly hated aphibious assaults so he never bothered doing that to britain.

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>british intelligence meaning cracking enigma you idiot.
Poles did that even earlier. The oxymoron wouldn't listen though. Imagine being that gay. Pun intended
telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/polish-codebreakers-cracked-enigma-before-alan-turing/

They bombed the shit out of a lot of french cities near the beaches

>not evacuating stalingrad because "soldiers would fight harder for an occupied city rather than an empty one"
that sounds like usual western bullshit about ebil Stalin
They just fucked up the evacuation most likely, germs came too fast, they literally chased the Red army all the way to Stalingrad in a week or two, and no one thought about it beforehand or did but did not want to look like a panicker

Did schools let out for summer already?

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>wat do, burger?

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lol

stalin was a pathetic piece of shit

the whole human wave "strategy" was because of his will.
AFAIK most russian generals wanted to go a way more defensive strategy.
Stalin didn't gave a single fuck.

>wait for its crew to abandon it in the field due to mechanical failure

They're all engineering specialists.

Were American soldiers in ww2 fatty boombalaty burgerpigs like today?

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>AFAIK
So not very far or much at all, cool. Got it.
youtube.com/watch?v=IxGKhGLUpNI
youtube.com/watch?v=BIeyq2mE9t8

Go ahead and start here.

stalin was an evil piece of shit, arguably more evil than hitler. he fucked himself before the war with his purges denuding the top generals of his entire military. if it wasn't for zhukov, he'd remain fucked.

or perhaps not, considering the russians can just retreat into their vast hinterland and by moving factories there can mobilize a counter-attack easily while the germans were already overstretched with their supply lines not even being able to provide adequate winter clothing.

accounts from german soldiers attest to their 180 belief that these sub-human slavs were actually super-human as they did not scream when being shot, and how an elevator shaft of 40 or so russians kept hundreds of germans at bay for over a week in stalingrad.

it's evil vs. evil, but unlike hitler, stalin gave no shits for his people and did whatever it took to fuck the germans up. that's why you see meme threads on /his/ about how stalingrad was a russian defeat, because it was if you look at the casualties, it was only a victory in that it caused the german general (then promoted to field-marshal) to surrender and how like 20% or less of the entire german 7th army (that responsible for beating france and poland) and more ended up perishing as POW's.

The Germans may have been above average engineers, but they were retarded at logistics.
Take one guess as to which discipline is more valuable when it comes to waging modern warfare.

You come of as condescending. Not very enjoyable.

Lacking oil =\= bad at logistics, you heavyset tardo.

>or perhaps not, considering the russians can just retreat into their vast hinterland and by moving factories there can mobilize a counter-attack easily while the germans were already overstretched with their supply lines not even being able to provide adequate winter clothing.
Constantly retreating actually became a huge issue for the Russians. They thought they could do it nonstop and then just swing around, but it almost lost them the war until Stalin ordered 227.
youtube.com/watch?v=JOKAIDpOY80

Turned around to pick up the second wave.

Why didn't the landing craft just open backwards?

Why do americunts act like omaha was some tenth circle of hell when the only reason they took high casualties was because of their own incompetence? Btw there were no mg42 pillboxes firing at disembarking lcas like in this stupid film.

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Germans were better soldiers.

Are you a mong? They had mortars

They dropped the airborn behind enemy lines the night before d-day, their mission was to disrupt and cut off reinforcements that would go to the beach head as soon as the invasion started.
They also didn't want to announce the invasion was at normandy since the counterintelligence game had been leading the germans to believe the allied landing would be attempted at Calais.

good. it's about time you idiots get educated instead of spouting off at the mouth about shit you have no idea about. "condescending" is what brainlets tell people who clearly know more than they do. so just shut up with your crap, listen and learn, bitch.

sure it was an issue. but it was far more of an issue for the germans as in any war the deeper you go into enemy terrain, the more fucked you get with the supply chain as you overextend.

again, posts like this. how can i explain this any more if you simply don't listen.

the americans faced a FRESH GERMAN DIVISION. not the regiments that the other beaches were defended by. a division, btw, is 10-15k troops.

refer to my post here:

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>muh purges
those WW1 pros sure helped Poland, France and Britain against blitzkrieg. Oh wait.

holy fucking shit mortars my dude? bet they must've wrecked all that non-existent americunt armor

You seem misinformed. They did bomb the Omaha beach defences. Disgusting.

>Lacking oil =\= bad at logistics
It does if you involve yourself in a war you can't win with your current supplies.
Hitler was a retard who thought they would just steamroll through africa and russia to conquer the oil fields of the middle east before existing resources ran out, without any objecting.

They tried to but mutts are useless and bombed 50 miles inland instead of the shoreline.

Because they can't cope that the canadians and british had a much harder beach to crack, and have to try and rewrite history so they were the real heroes all along. You know. Like usual.

Mortars are anti info, you bedpee

Such tarddom. Invade to GET resources, you fatty lump in my armpit.

Then you'd better make sure you have those resources before you run out of gas, otherwise you suck at logistics and war.

WW2 is boring. Too many movies

huh? what? what are you talking about? britain never faced blitzkrieg. france had ww1 pros that were stupid enough to ignore napoleon's maxim "the force that stays behind their fortifications is doomed". they built the whole maginot line expecting WWI tactics, they didn't read achtung panzer, which was written about the new tactic of blitzkrieg. not to mention being retarded about not expecting germans to pass the 'impenetrable ardenne forests' whcih they did easily. france had wwI idiots who were old and drunk off of their victory in WWI and subject to gross hubris.

russia is a different story. despite the stupidity of french high command, they were at least able to mobilize in time for the german invasion. russia was so denuded that they lost to finland, and were beaten back during barbarossa because they had no coherent strategy or tactics and had no idea what to do. it was only by retreating into the hinterland that they were able to get their act together. if there were more officers and military brass, they would have been prepared from the start.

>Hitler was a retard who thought they would just steamroll through africa and russia to conquer the oil fields of the middle east before existing resources ran out, without any objecting.
hitler sort of had a point by going directly south to the oil fields before going directly into moscow as his generals had suggested. but hitler listening to his general is a meme because we all know he fucked up the war by trying to do that shit himself.

you're not going to do much damage bombing the heavy fortificatioins at the beach. bombing inland was the priority because 1) you had the 101st airborne drop in the night before and 2) the idea was to establish a beachhead, and proceed into the french countryside with a WIDE FRONT and going directly into berlin.

monty didn't like this and favored an indirect approach, like a pincer attack, that delayed the war by half a year.

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Oil was only one out of many problems the Germans had. They frequently over-designed their tanks to the point where they couldn’t reliably produce and supply the necessary spare parts to crews on the front lines. They also never structured their military in a way where they had sufficient numbers a mechanically inclined support personnel whose sole job would have been repairing said vehicles (Germans only had something like a 4:1 ratio of support troops to combat troops). Many German tanks absolutely out performed most other under ideal conditions, inevitably when they suffered routine mechanical problems (due to complex design) or suffered battle damage, the tank crews were forced to abandon them in place because there simply weren’t any resources or facilities to repair them.
Contrast this with the Americans, who sported a 15:1 ratio of support to combat troops (i.e. lots of greasemonkeys around to fix shit). Everybody like to shit on the sherman tank, but many if the ones knocked out by tigers were fixed up and back in action in a matter of days whereas a Tiger only had to get fucked up once or break down once in order to pretty much be out of action for good

TLDR: you’re a tryhard fag that doesnt know nearly as much as he thinks

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Fuel wasn't the reason for the loss in Russia, you micropenis

>muh monty
please stay dead stephen ambrose

please bring up educated points instead of stupid memes "muh _____"

read a fucking book instead of youtube conspiracy faggots.

Your lengthy reply indicates that my opinion interests you. This makes your insult sound hollow and forced.

>make baseless claims
>get btfo
>LMAO dude u must sekritly think im super smart
You're objectively retarded.

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Is KRAUT racist?

i don't need to, the fact you started whining about him tells me immediately you are a fat midwestern cow-man who is going to babble on and on without saying a single thing of substance, fed on a diet of vidya and american pop history books.
this is buttressed by your long rambling armchair general posts

Your opinion interested me because its factual accuracy was inversely proportional to how arrogant and abrasive your tone was.
Since you’ve offered nothing else of substance in response I’ll assume you’re conceding the argument.

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>poles cracked enigma
>poles were the first (one of hte first) to be occupied
>therefore, they could not consistently crack german communications and predict what they'd be doing
my point still stands: british intelligence.

not to mention other innovations such as RADAR, centimeter RADAR that enabled you to see something as small as a U-Boat periscope, Chaff (RADAR jamming), etc.

Even americans were intelligent enough to utilize strategic boombing by flying in close formation making them less vulnerable to fighters.

only americans had unprecedented industrial might which enabled them to bring out flying fortresses and huge fucking bombers, while the germans never invested in this type of technology and relied on dive bombers and other shit that barely made a dent in the Blitz on Britain while entire german cities were firebombed to oblivion.

You're just mad because I see through your screen of intellectual pretence, to gaze at the real, naked, all to human being behind.

i'm not whining about him. i literally said, if you have the capacity to read long posts, that it was understandable from his position as the brits did not have a large army and that they had already suffered casualities from the Blitz, and not to mention horrific memories of entire generations dead from WWI's battle of the Somme, etc.

I am talking about the war, while you are talking memes implying i'm some fat mid-westerner amerimutt. shut up, loser.

everything i've said is of substance. i studied this in school, bitch. stop projecting, and go back to Yea Forums.

If someone calls me out, I just attack their grammar or other meta. It's the old tried and true.

>other shit that barely made a dent in the Blitz on Britain
Radar saved Bongland from the Blitz. They were able to focus the RAF to intercept german raids.
The Luftwaffe was near to accusing them of witch craft for why they ALWAYS showed up.
They actually sent some of the last zeppelins up and down the coast searching for active radar, but out of sheer dumb luck, they never looked on the frequency they were using.

Stop using the fucking reddit dots I know it’s you constantly doing it in this thread

Unironically thank you for doing this, it just didn't feel right until someone said it.

yes. finally someone here reads history.

THICC

There's no stopping him.

nerd

>Try and let eurofags handle their own shit, fagots can't, give them aid so they can, they still can't, move in and do what these spoiled cunts couldn't manage. Do it. Get insulted by the people you saved.

ftfy

your welcome faggot

This, but unironically. (((Eisenhower))) hated the Germans, but remember a lot of Americans were still ethnically European back then.

Eisenhower was cucked by Monty.

Nah, history is pretty cool.
WWII is like babby's first /his/ lesson.
After that you go to Greece and Rome, then the crusades, then middle ages europe. Then Renaissance Italy.

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>"Marathoning" a fucking movie

Just how fat are you, that you think a 2 hour movie is "marathoning"?

Eisenhower is a German name, you small handed burgerpiss

Americans don't pay attention.

By "go to" you mean watch films about.

eisenhower was literally the epitome of the proto-globalist. he didn't see it as americans, or french, or germans, or any of that. he saw it as a global effort. that's why he was made supreme commander. he was excellent at what he did. even was based enough to warn us of the military-industrial complex at the end of his presidency.

more like FDR was. it's sad seeing how little resources were given to the pacific front, even after losing their naval forces at pearl harbor. making europe the top priority was def a cuck moment.

i like bronze age stuff. it sounds like it's the codex of someone's fantasy novel. so many weird shit happening like the sea peoples and bronze age collapse. oh and crazy levels of inhumanity ie. scaphism.

low level bait, don't respond to him.

Brits originally planned the landing in the Balkans, but Stalin wanted the Eastern Europe for himself.

>implying there were any good movies about alesia
If you're actually into history.

>implying yanks wouldn't just blow their own sailors to justify an invasion

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Do historians have to wear a shirt with a sweater over it and velvet pants?

happened many times. look up japanese hell ships. they would just kill everyone in them, including the vast numbers of allied/american POWs.

there's also the lusitania, and pearl harbor, and yes the Maine like you posted, oh and the gulf of tonkin. americans don't like to be involved in 'foreign entanglements', but the politicians are shrewd and despite campaigning an anti-war policy, would enable these attacks to get them involved in these foreign wars.

at least after WWII, it launched them to the world stage as a superpower.

no. we just have to read books. something you should try once in a while.

>velvet pants
Bruh I fucking wish.

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Based arrogance covering self doubt and social dysfunction-poster.

CATAPULTS!!!FACT!!!

What if I'm axis though

This, women were in every war in equal or greater numbers than men

Nu History™ coming soon to a reality near you!

2/10

I tried

based brainlet projection poster.

stop crying and calling people arrogant. learn. that's your only homework for today. come back tomorrow if you wish to participate. until then, let the adults do the talking.

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Unironically though: Yea Forums‘s board culture terminology is the weakest of any board. I don’t know how everyone just came to accept talking like this.

That guy never goes above 3/10. You did well.

Strange, if I didn't hit a nerve, my post would be ignored. That must mean...

>oooh let's fist again, like we did last summer...

Not enough

Based Napoleon

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He never built that.

he never did this though. he was chomping at the bit but couldn't get to britain so he did what hitler did which is go east into russia.

still all this projecting. i am educating you. be grateful. sit down. be humble.

I don't remember this

this was the act that william randolph hearst sensationalized to bring us into the spanish american war.

They would have if Rommel had his way.
Hitler was a meddling prick who was always changing his mind and doing things half heartedly.
He put Rommel in charge of the preemptive invasion defences, Rommel made a fuckton of sweeping changes to the defensive setup (that in hindsight was the correct call and would have amassed devastating losses on the invasion force), but this pissed off a bunch of other generals who whined to Hitler and Hitler overruled Rommel.

Rommel wanted all available tank devisions in France hidden parked up a few km behind the beachheads ready to mobilise and counterattack as soon as the invasion started.

He wasn’t allowed and all the tanks were kept on ice a few hours drive from the beaches, by the time they could get them up and running the allies owned the coast.
>Take the greatest Tank Commander in all of human history and put him in charge of the beachhead defence
>Don’t listen to his advice on how to use the tanks
What an idiot

rommel was brilliant, but it was easy to to be a great tank commander in the north african campagin where all you do is flank your enemy.

but yes, i agree, hitler should have let the generals do what they do best. the nazi party ingroup was a mistake.

>purges denuding the top generals of his entire military
Those "top generals" were the ones that a) fucked up in Poland in 1920 and b) had connections to Trotsky (considering that he was a head of RKKA, there were shitload of them in the higher echelons, as Trotsky's idea of army was pretty much making it an armed wing of the party - like SS) and, after the split in Comintern, were capable of organising a coup. Say what you want about Stalin, but he removed the army from russian political field for decades, preventing it from becoming similar to latin american ones that are only good at overthrowing governments. After Trotsky, that was an actual threat.

>Skilled soldiers
>Hey Vladimir you and your unit run at that machine gun until they run out of ammo, then the soldiers with guns will run at them and hopefully they won't reload in time, if they do we have more units to throw at them.
>If you stop or turn back at any point we will shoot you ourselves

So skilled

not talking about the top generals, per say, but the purging of the red army officer corp resulted in shit organization and a lack of experienced soldiers in the red army.

>The Soviet forces were apparently unprepared despite numerous warnings from a variety of sources.[48] They suffered much damage in the field because of mediocre officers, partial mobilization, and an incomplete reorganization.[49] The hasty pre-war forces expansion and the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers) favored the Wehrmacht in combat.[50][page needed] The Axis's numeric superiority rendered the combatants' divisional strength approximately equal.[d] A generation of Soviet commanders (notably Georgy Zhukov) learned from the defeats,[52] and Soviet victories in the Battle of Moscow, at Stalingrad, Kursk and later in Operation Bagration proved decisive.

>rommel was brilliant, but it was easy to to be a great tank commander in the north african campagin
this, rommel was retarded

they weren't skilled at first, and had to rely on desperate tactics like you mentioned.

at the end of the war, the red army was the most experienced army in the world. the US knew that a land campaign against them would be impossible, which is why truman was so anxious to drop the nuke before the russians were supposed to enter the pacific front.

>Khrushev bullshit

the russians literally had machine gun emplacements to slaughter their men if they retreated and those men only half were armed with a rifle, the other half only ammo.

FUCK ITS ALMOST SUMMER

The average human IQ was 50 points lower back then.

it's called the flynn effect.

also these were niggas who grew up during the great depression, generally malnourished, and beaten down by the economic strife that surrounded them.

despite this, due to conscription, you had lots of smart individuals involved in the war ie. mcnamara, etc.

compare that to, say vietnam or even the current wars, where they mostly just send the bottom of the barrel.

don't underestimate the greatest generation, user.

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>A generation of Soviet commanders (notably Georgy Zhukov) learned from the defeats,[52] and Soviet victories in the Battle of Moscow, at Stalingrad, Kursk and later in Operation Bagration proved decisive
That's very shallow interpretation of the events. Those officers (Zhukov, Konev, some others) already shown their competence BTFOing Japan at Far East, and performed comparatively well during 1941. But to say that their "victories in the Battle of Moscow, at Stalingrad, Kursk and later in Operation Bagration proved decisive" is to ignore the bloody catastrophe of the offensives of the early 1942.
>the purging of the red army officer corp resulted in shit organization and a lack of experienced soldiers in the red army
That's true, but the number of personnel also increased after the purges. That also resulted in lack of experience, which made situation even worse. Ironically, the fleet had the highest percentage of repressed officers, but it was actually ready for attack on June 22 unlike the army.

>That's very shallow interpretation of the events. Those officers (Zhukov, Konev, some others) already shown their competence BTFOing Japan at Far East, and performed comparatively well during 1941. But to say that their "victories in the Battle of Moscow, at Stalingrad, Kursk and later in Operation Bagration proved decisive" is to ignore the bloody catastrophe of the offensives of the early 1942.

sure, but those battles were decisive, despite the tremendously disproportionate loss of life on the soviet side because they demolished the smaller german army divisions and sent them retreating back while soviets pushed further and further into germany.

>That's true, but the number of personnel also increased after the purges. That also resulted in lack of experience, which made situation even worse. Ironically, the fleet had the highest percentage of repressed officers, but it was actually ready for attack on June 22 unlike the army.

sure, but the personnel here were not experienced as you said, and were only conscripted because they didn't 'think' and thus wouldn't trigger stalin's paranoia.

all great points nonetheless.

The Germans were already defeated in the east before dday and on full retreat basically.

this is accurate. but again, the majority of the russian war implements were given to them by the americans via lend -lease.

Among other goods, Lend-Lease supplied:[53]:8-9

>58% of the USSR's high octane aviation fuel
>33% of their motor vehicles
>53% of USSR domestic production of expended ordnance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)
>30% of fighters and bombers
>93% of railway equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)
>50–80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium
>43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)
>12% of tanks and SPGs
>50% of TNT (1942-1944) and 33% of ammunition powder (in 1944)[54]
>16% of all explosives (from 1941–1945, the USSR produced 505,000 tons of explosives and received 105,000 tons of Lend-Lease imports)[55]

over 800k women fought in the russian army. there was no room for sexism there.

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Yeah and the poor Germans were alone with no help and no aid.

no shit, they started this war. that's what you get when you invade imperialist countries with extensive connections all around the world not to mention commit unprecedented levels of atrocities.

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>those battles were decisive
Those battles were very different, and are years apart from each other. The counteroffensive at Moscow ended in March of 1942, Stalingrad - almost a year later in February 1943, Kursk was in summer of 1943 and Bagration was in the August of 1944. That's the pretty much the whole war on Soviet land because Bagration ended in Poland.
>tremendously disproportionate loss of life on the soviet side
Nope - not in those battles. Only in Moscow counteroffensive and in Kursk the german losses were considerably lower than the soviet ones. Bagration offensive was especially high class one since soviet forces pretty much went reverse 1941 on the germans, even though this time both sides were ready for action. But overall the losses were considerably higher on soviet side just because operation Mars (and then the whole battle for Rzhev) and Lyuban offensive went so terribly bad. Those parts of Russia never really recovered even economically - it is pretty obvious when you visit, there are very old towns there with no building older than 70 years left because of the sheer devastation brought by the war.

>Those battles were very different, and are years apart from each other. The counteroffensive at Moscow ended in March of 1942, Stalingrad - almost a year later in February 1943, Kursk was in summer of 1943 and Bagration was in the August of 1944. That's the pretty much the whole war on Soviet land because Bagration ended in Poland.

i know. but what i mean by decisive is that they effectively pushed the germans back and prevented them from capturing the cities.

so you're saying not many soviets died in those battles? were most soviet casualties just the results of german death camps and pogroms and such? all i really know is that the soviets lots a fuck ton of civilians. don't know about the individual battle casualties.

attacking a heavily bombed position manned by cripples and teenagers that was the weakest spot in all the atlantikwall when they didn't expect it because of bad weather was actually a very good idea and they took minnimal casualties

stop this meme. omaha beach was heavily fortified and backed up by a fresh german division. saving private ryan was set on omaha beach, not sword or juno or any of other other ones. they suffered severe casualties.

Sweden wasn't neutral. The noble families were as pro german as they come, and the swedes traded with the germans, and let them travel through swedish land.

they were neutral, but became 'non-belligerent' when the winter war happened with soviet union invading finland. when somethign like that happens, it only makes sense to join up with the germans.

hell, even indians fought alongside the germans considering it was better than being under british hegemony.

All swedes know they were on german side. That's why they now import hordes of migrants, to prove how much they're non-nazis.

I wonder if there are any interviews with germans that fired on the arriving boats Omaha.

there are. pic related.

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>that fired on the arriving boats Omaha.
that's hollywood, in reality the range of the guns in the bunkers was about 1/2 to 3-4 the length of the beach to the crafts.

BATTLE OFF SAMAR MOVIE WHEN SPIELBERG

Give me my naval battle movie now you greasy fuck.

>look further into the wikipedia article
>the nazis lost
Looks like it worked lol

Cool.

Well, let me rephrase it - That were the guys shooting back at the allies all in all. I always find it interesting to hear from the opposing side.

>so you're saying not many soviets died in those battles?
No, i meant that the number of losses in those particular battles was comparable, while still high, and usually larger for soviets since they were attacking or counterattacking. But the 1942 was almost as bad for Red Army as 1941, because, while german offensives were not as successeful, soviet ones mostly ended catastrophically (just look up 2nd Kharkov battle, and i already mentioned Rzhev and Lyuban offensive). Those battles are not as famous, precisely because of that. And even after Bagration - Hungary, East Prussia and Germany were very tough.

Jesus christ, first we have a /his/ thread, now it's turning /pol/

I'd much prefer Operation Catapult movie by Nolan. Wonder how will he bend time to pretend that britts were heroes all along this time.

well. that's exactly what happened, and the ships could have gotten closer to shell the German emplacements, but that would have put them in range of the German artillery.
Ships are expensive. Soldiers are cheap.

*tips fedora*

lmao i am gazing at a human being being fucked by two negroes right now on the same screen right now dude

Why are you even in a thread discussing those terrible Nazi racist Americans who hated blacks and stormed the beaches at omaha?

kek

Now look up what the percentage of work about the war that was dedicated to the holocaust by any major political or military figure at the time and compare that to what is taught today.

it worked didnt it

the joke

your head

just because americans took more casualties doesnt mean brits and canadians "got off easy" it just means americans are shitty, poorly trained bullet sponge meme soldiers

or comprised the largest military force of the allies on the western front, and the led the operation and so did most of the fighting

no, for the 407th time, it's because they met the most resistance ie. an entire german division

read more.

In what way did you "lead the operation" in which 3/5 beaches weren't stormed by Americans? In what way did you "lead the operation" in which Canadians succeeded in pushing farthest inland? Oh right. You supplied the poorly trained, uneducated meat shields.

>or comprised the largest military force of the allies on the western front
The Americans were barely the majority of forces at D-Day, they were actually in the minority if you tot the commonwealth as one. They also had nothing to do with the navy which is always somehow omitted in accounts of a naval invasion.
Their role post-D-Day has also been massively exaggerated by meme personalities like patton who struggled against light German resistance in the southern route through France.

That's inaccurate and not the only consideration in any case. Two American infantry divisions (over 40,000 troops all together) faced less than 8,000 German troops at Omaha. At Juno, the Canadians faced about 8000 German soldiers with only one division and Juno was also the most heavily fortified beachhead. The British faced about 10,000 Germans at Sword. Literally nobody cares that dumb Americans bum rushed their targets and lost thousands of men. That's your own dumb fault, it doesn't make your objective the most difficult.

Almost seems like you haven't read any books yourself. Or maybe just American meme history textbooks.

The British faced more men at Sword with almost 15,000 less men of their own than the Americans at Utah... by the way.

They kept the tanks away from the landings because the allies created a very elaborate hoax about a second, even larger landing further to the east.

>bum rushed their targets and lost thousands of men
based

Beach invasions are bum rushes you retard. Also raw numbers don't prove fucking anything.

It also didn't help that Omaha was one of the hard points in the Atlantic Wall. The engineering teams were off their targets as well.
>The U.S. still made it off the beach by morning.

>"they met the most resistance"
>"no they didnt"
>"well uhh numbers dont mean anything anyway"
lmao kys you dumb fucking amerimutt faggot

11 days

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>most resistance means numbers
Omaha was both geographically much harsher and much more heavily defended than other beaches. It was Rommell's personally crafted beach defense which was meant to be used as a model for the others but the other generals disagreed. Omaha was also garrisoned by crack troops who happened to be doing training exercises at the time of invasion meaning they were already supplied and in position to fight.

The Canadians met just as much resistance at Juno as the Americans met at Utah. The Canadians were also blown off course due to weather. Juno was also one of the most heavily fortified points. They still suffered fewer casualties and made it farther inland than the dumb fucking amerimutt retards. Give it a rest.

>Omaha was also garrisoned by crack troops
yeah dude and every tank was a tiger.

got in a few games of smash on their switch portables

why didn't the Germans just hide in the hollow earth and regroup for a counter offensive?

youtube.com/watch?v=NoWLUmaZUHw

this. war of the austrian succession is where it's at

absolutely btfo

Least thing they could do after pearl harbl

Why didn't the Japanese just do this to Pearl Harbor?

History prof here they sucked each other's dicks

There was no need for a land invasion in that case, they weren't trying to capture that island.

SADDEST. EVENT. EVER.

WHITE MEN: LOOK AT THE WORLD YOU HAVE GIVEN AWAY, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T JUST BE BROTHERS WITH YOUR FELLOW WHITE MAN. DO YOU SEE YOUR MISTAKE NOW?

SO FUCKING TRAGIC I CAN'T STAND IT.

Seething europoor