This was fucking boring

I sort of liked Roma, im saying that this more or less feels like a harsher carbon copy of it. First Reformed was pretty good, Under the Skin, Call Me By Your Name, mother!, all have some sort of actual narrative, not just “hey look this bad thing happened and then this other bad thing happened and this other bad thing happened.” Its just isnt compelling to me, thematically, but, I have no doubt the film is beautiful. Im saying the plot sounds lazy and its telling that I managed to guess what 80% of its shots are going to look like by just looking at the poster. In all honesty im sure its not a bad film, im just sick of this storytelling style. Call me old fashioned.

I don't think you can judge or dismiss a film by its trailer, they often ruin the film, they're often not made by the filmmakers, and their intention is often totally different to that of the film.
I never even watch trailers.

I really like all those other films you listed, except under the skin, which I thought was excessively reliant on tone and tension and which didn't grip me with either.

I don't think it's 'narrative' that distinguish those from Roma at all. Roma has as much story, which is coherent, if not more, than all of those films. And I was ambivalent towards Roma too, I liked it less than the others. But it was because I did not think it got the humanistic drama right and it did not feel intimate enough and the performances weren't captivating. I think it was on too big a scale if anything. And in terms of being 'thematically gripping', Roma is FULL of themes and ideas. It's absolutely not about nothing.

What I suspect your criticism comes down to, is not absence of story, but the kind of story you don't want to hear, and the protagonists you don't want to hear about, which are ordinary poor people.

I don't think arthouse films can coast on being 'beautiful' or art or whatever, that's all secondary, I just like them when I really empathize with the characters and feel sincere simple human truths communicated through them. Regardless of what they look like and what they're about. If that's not why you watch films, you wouldn't like Ozu, you wouldn't like Koreeda, you wouldn't like Bergman. It's not played out at all.

I want to fuck Nadine Labaki, will I enjoy the movie?

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Does that classify as a Cannes Film?

It has the logo on the poster.

That depends on the film.
It was in competition so yes.
I agree it is the worst type of festival movie. Social realism misery porn. The manipulative music, the documentary camera work are tropes of these type of films which are unbearable.

It's not really an arthouse film, but QT did win the Palme d'Or for pulp fiction, so yeah, i think he belongs and his film did compete there

Alrighty then. I guess I’ve been proven wrong.

>The manipulative music
Have you seen it?

surely you're not judging a films use of music based on its trailer...

youtu.be/IXPKhGH14rQ
This is what i mean.

sorry im not willing to spoil the movie because i'd quite like to watch it

I do think there is such a thing as manipulative music though, but it's more about when it is used, rather than what music.
Walter Murch said the honest way was to build an emotion with your film, and then play music to further it.
So you don't play sad music to make people sad, you play it when they are already sad because of what has happened.

>Foreign movie
>Oscar nominated
>Praised by critics

These movies are hardly ever worth it.

I thought that the film had all the tropes that i dislike in this type of films. I quite like Dardenne brothers films but this was more unsubtle and manipulative in my opinion. It tried too hard to win the sympathy of the audience, the music was not necessery in some scenes. It just felt like you are supposed to be sad because the music plays. It diminished the impact of the image, especially when done constantly. There are some good scenes in the film but as a whole it just doesn't work, it tries too hard to be miserable. It gets annoying especially with the style the director uses.

did the music play because you are supposed to be sad, or are you supposed to be sad because the music plays?
do you understand what i'm saying?

overuse of music pisses me off too though

>Shoplifters
>Cold War
>Loveless
>Leviathan
>Embrace of the Serpent
>Amour
>The Great Beauty
>The Hunt
There are plenty of good foreign, critic praised, oscar nominated films.

Seen it after a mate gushed about how great it was. It was manipulative cinema at its lowest. Labaki can fuck off.

my absolute nigger
have you seen this film ?
i will respect your opinion on it

I've seen about half of those and the only one I really enjoyed was The Hunt.

No, it's good. A solid 4 out of 5.
The message of this movie is literally "stop breeding and making children if you live like a poorfag in a 3rd world country", so lefties got mad over it.

Yes i understand. It was just music used to make you sad. I think it depends on the viewer, especially because i didn't find it emotional, i found the story to be going too far, being too miserable for the sake of being miserable and as the result i didn't believe it. That's why i said manipulative music, i just thought it playes as a cue for audience to be sad. But it can work for some people i guess because they are invested in the film. The music is definitely overused.
Yes, i didn't like it very much.