So is this fucker evil...

That was 100% what I was expecting too, that 3ER lied to Jon & Co to save his own skin. When NK walked up to Bran I thought we would get some resolution and a twist, maybe the NK doesn't kill him at all but takes him back north? Maybe the 3ER was involved in the creation of NK and the WW, and they need him for some ritual to be released or something? Maybe the 3ER tries to unite everyone against the NK because he knows him and the children fucked up when they created him?
But nah let's just have Arya teleport behind him before anything interesting has a chance of happening.

The Night King would still be evil, relative to humanity, because he is killing everybody to help him achieve his goal. Bran just might be even more evil.
Bran has stated numerous times that he is the Three-Eyed Raven and isn't really Bran, or a man for that matter, anymore. He has shown some signs of humanity, but that could be purely out of self-interest. He told Theon that he was a good man. Why? It's possible that it was only to give Theon courage to hold off the Night King even longer.

At this point, a lot of the audience has taken Bran's words at face value, even though we probably shouldn't.

He definitely come across as that evil in the books but his abilities lead to doing some fucked up shit, like killing a group of men that were chasing them when warging into his wolf or warging into Hodor despite it scaring the man.

heres the twist
he is the lord of light.
lord of light creates fire wights. the resurection of jon snow and others is the way to create fire undead, but their bodies had not decayed yet. the lord of light prophecy is about cold vs hot undead. the night king wants him because he is the lord of light trying to destroy him.

You're forgetting that this is nu-GoT, every character is one-dimensional now and you can expect anything they say to be their literal intention. I wouldn't be surprised if they just pull a "I must go, my weirwood needs me" and that's it.

Maybe I am just getting my hopes up, but the Night King being dead doesn't in itself mean that the Three-Eyed Raven's purpose has been fulfilled. Bran has shown interest in things that should not concern him for reasons we do not know.

Of course, it is more likely that I am being optimistic and am looking for things that are not there, but Bran's behavior is suspicious even without the Night King around.

Bran should sit on the iron throne in the end and subject the seven kingdoms to his autismal rule.

What if the white walkers were the good guys and the Three Eyed Raven is the evil one?

There is no twist.

maybe his is the LoL
but it's too late to introduce a whole new kind of wight

You're expecting to find diamonds in a waterfall of diahhrea.

Maybe if GRRM was writing this, something like that could happen. With Dumb&Dumber at the wheel, Bran is nothing but a useless plot device. I'm sure he'll just spout some exposition about the NK next episode and then be forgotten about for the rest of the show.

>DON’T STO...
>screen goes to black
>Written by: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss

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>the twist

Bran wargs into the Mountain and kills Cersei. Arya suddenly becomes the Night Queen, raises the dead soldiers all around her, kills everyone.

There is no twist. He told Sam about Jon's parents and he excused Jaime and Theon, his planet needs him now

The twist is this motherfucker can walk.

>There is no twist. He told Sam about Jon's parents and he excused Jaime and Theon, his planet needs him now
Telling Jon about his parents does nothing to further his goals while forgiving Jaime and Theon does. He didn't forgive Jaime and Theon just so they could feel better; he forgave them because he doesn't care and having them killed would not further his goals; he said as much to Jaime in the Godswood.

So if he's evil, what does he want and why?

There has to be some twist considering the previous three eyed raven didn't have Bran's autism. There's something fucky.

probably not. i bet they defeat cersei but not without heavy losses (probably a couple main characters and at least one dragon) and then dany dies in childbirth in episode 6 and jon reluctantly takes the throne because that would be the most boring ending possible.

If they pulled that off it could be kino.

You're not thinking right. You're thinking in terms of character's motivation. These don't exist anymore. All characters exist to serve the plot and most importantly the viewer. Him forgiving Jaime and Theon serves no other purpose that tie those plots threads and make for moments for the viewer.

Which means it ain't happening.

they put the writer at the beginning of the episode though, otherwise maybe.

>So if he's evil, what does he want and why?
I don't know, but it is clear that he WANTS something. Again, the Iron Throne should be of no interest to him whatsoever, but he is pushing for Jon as king. Bran might not be evil, but he does have an agenda outside of the Night King.
For the millionth time, I am not claiming that it will happen. I am also not claiming that if it does happen, it will be executed well. I am merely saying that the Three-Eyed Raven's actions are suspicious.

Figure it out four yourself

Expect anything remotely interesting and dabid will SUBVERT YOUR EXPECTATIONS buddy

If you know that his past actions weren't made to serve his motivations but were rather dumb viewer moments, why are you making this thread and writing these posts about how they are "suspicious".
Suspicious how? They're not related

>If you know that his past actions weren't made to serve his motivations but were rather dumb viewer moments
Except I don't know that, which is my entire point.

>bran warging into Jon
>slaying pregnant dany
>heh, nothing personell

>You're forgetting that this is nu-GoT

Yep, thanks for pulling my feet back to the ground, as awesome a twist as it would be, speculating about it is just a form of copeposting.

>bran warging into preggers dany
>have her commit sudoku
>nothing personnel

>Jane dies
>Hank finds out Walt is Heisenberg by finding book signed by Gale in bathroom
>Walt kills Mike
>Hank gets killed by Jack
>Walt dies

>You're expecting to find diamonds in a waterfall of diahhrea.

Well... Ask Irene Zisblatt about that one.
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It's not really Bran anymore. It's the Three Eyed Raven. The Three Eyed Raven is the God and leader of the Children of the Forest. When the Children were beaten back by humans he ordered the creation of the White Walkers to destroy civilization so that they could retake Westeros. It wasn't the Children acting on their own. The White Walkers regained their free will though somehow and started going after the Children and the Three Eyed Raven. The Children and Three Eyed Raven then played the White Walkers and humans against each other.

The most recent episode, everyone just believed "Bran" when he said "oh yea the Night King is after me because he wants to erase the memory of mankind" or something like that. They didn't even question his motives. They didn't say "hey Bran, if you can see the future, how do things turn out here?" The only person who actually had an in depth discussion with him was Tyrion and it was deliberately withheld from the viewers because it probably would have revealed the "Bran" wasn't being entirely honest.

"Bran" can walk again, the wheelchair thing is a ruse to just make him seem more vulnerable. The White Walkers were leaving messages as well as they could that it was Bran who they were after (the little kid pinned to the wall in a wheel at Last Hearth). At this point though 3ER accomplished killing off the White Walkers and now with no one any wiser to his plans, he just has to worry about manipulating humans into destroying themselves. It wasn't just humans bickering with humans leaving themselves exposed to the WWs, it was humans and WWs clashing, while a Phantom Menace played them all from the shadows.

Those are many valid points. I never took stock in the "Bran is the Night King" bullshit and I still don't, but I am starting to believe his not as benign as he is making himself out to be.

Bran has told the audience to its face a million times that he is not "Bran" anymore. He refers to himself as the Three-Eyed Raven and "almost a human." He acts creepy and inhuman around everybody, and the audience just looks and says, "LOL bran is soo creepy now!" The characters and the audience take everything he says as gospel, and the only reason we do is because he looks like Bran.

If this is the final twist, I can't say it comes out of nowhere.

The scheme isn't too far fetched either and it would be interesting if the White Walkers weren't as evil as they were made out to be. Three Eyed Raven orders the creation of the White Walkers. They kill people for a while and then regain their free will. By that point they're already seen as the ultimate enemy. The White Walkers turn on the Children of the Forest and 3ER. The Children and 3ER use this to their advantage and say "humans, we made a mistake, we lost control of our creations, let's work together to defeat this evil that is a danger to both of us!" and they then use humanity as a legitimate human shield with both their enemies killing each other.

Meanwhile the Walkers now think that humans have aligned with the the Children and 3ER so they just kill everyone in their path to try to stop the 3ER. Eventually they realize they can't get him and they're killing off tons of people which is accomplishing the goals of the 3ER anyway while further making themselves look evil. They flee North, raise the Wall and hide. Basically saying "we're not doing your killing for you anymore." 3ER and the Children follow him up there where they now figure out how to restart the war. They manage to drive the Wildlings up North of the Wall and manipulate them via their wargs. The Walkers figure they're being invaded by the 3ER forces and fight back.

The Wildlings are driven South. The 3ER conveniently needs a replacement body as well. This is an opportunity for the Walkers. They try to stop Bran from getting to the tree so the 3ER dies, but fail. They still have an opportunity though because the 3ER has to train his new body first. Night King manages to mark Bran. With his safety bubble gone the Walkers go after the 3ER. He escapes and goes South of the Wall bullshitting everyone along the way. "I WAS RIGHT! THE WHITE WALKERS ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER!" The White Walkers now follow him since this is the best opportunity they'll get for thousands of years.

Nice Stat Wars reference at the end. Holy crap I think most of this is right. We have to keep an eye on Bran for more clues.

>final episode ends by killing Bran by pushing him out a window

>Jon and Dany do it after being caught mid-coitus

LIKE POTTERY

And of course they fail to kill the 3ER as he watches smugly like the Emperor as Arya does his dirty work for him with the dagger he gave her. He doesn't even lift a finger. The Red Comet also might be an omen that the 3ER's current body is dying and he needs a replacement and that might be the only time he's really even vulnerable which also spurs the Walkers into action.

As the 3ER body weakens so does his stranglehold on magic which allows dragons to be born back into the world and other magic to take place. As the 3ER gains in power via his new body he begins to reclaim his hold on magic hence why the dragons aren't eating as much. At this point, the Walkers are defeated, the 3ER is growing in power, and people are clueless about the real threat.

They just need some scenes where Tyrion discusses what "Bran" said happened North of the Wall with someone (Meera) who was actually there with him and the stories don't match up with what "Bran" said happened. Tyrion has his "oh shit" moment and somehow the 3ER convinces everyone that Tyrion is a traitor and they arrest him. Flashback scenes/warg visions reveal how "Bran"/3ER were the real villains behind everything. Maybe a scene that shows the WWs regaining their free will. Bran walks over to his wheelchair and sits down to go watch Tyrion's execution.

Would the characters believe everything the Three-Eyed Raven had to say if he looked like this and not Bran?

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Hey don't judge a book by it's cover

Do you think he will have enough power to warg a dragon? And why do you think the God's Eye is now emphasized in the intro?

Something is fishy here.

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Bran plan as 3ER is to make Jon, Dany and Cercei kill each other and then sit on the iron throne.

The Gods Eye according to the wiki is where The Children and The First Men made there packed. There might be evidence or it is where 3ER will finish his plan.

>Bran plan as 3ER is to make Jon, Dany and Cercei kill each other and then sit on the iron throne.
Does he want to rule, though? He might want to kill all humans, too.

I think that’s more what’s going on. Revenge for the children. The whites walkers only killed to build their army and stop 3ER. They never intended to end the world. That’s why he didn’t go to Kingslanding first

Also why he didn't kill Jon and the wights didn't kill every survivor in Winterfell after they were already through and at Bran. When Jon was getting amped up to kill The Night King he just walked away and had that "we're on the same team you dumb ass" look to him. Also might explain how Arya managed to kill him. If the Night King was a Stark then he might not have wanted to kill Arya, especially because she didn't know any better. Of course this got him killed. It would also add a new meaning to "you know nothing Jon Snow." He thought the WWs were his enemy the whole time and he was completely wrong. The resurrections and Mel's visions going on might have been the 3ER the whole time too moving the pieces into place. Killing off Stannis who wouldn't fall for his shit, getting Jon, Beric, and everyone else to Winterfell, and so on. Mel thought it was Rhllor talking to her and it was just the 3ER manipulating her and using her as a pawn.

Stannis was being controlled by Melisandre, so if Melly was being manipulated, so was he.

>It would also add a new meaning to "you know nothing Jon Snow." He thought the WWs were his enemy the whole time and he was completely wrong.
This gives some kino vibes like Arthas pointlessly chasing Mal'Ganis "to the ends of the Earth" only to play into the Lich King's plans.

>The Night King he just walked away and had that "we're on the same team you dumb ass" look to him

the NK wanted to kill him, he raised an horde of zombies to kill Jon...

And they didn't kill him, they just kept him from getting to Bran. Why? He was horribly outnumbered and alone. The wights were just there to hold him back.

I think his point was that the NK only did that as a measure to stop Jon from reaching him since otherwise he'd have to at least waste time dueling Jon.

They were only there to keep Jon from killing The Night King. Maybe Jon was expendable but I still find it weird they didn’t fight.

Bonus: the NK only raised his hands as a "wtf bro?" gesture to Jon, and accidentally all the dead people in Winterfell, then wen't "oh, I forgot about that lolz".

Bran is gonna turn into a tree isn't he

The tree-eyed raven.

dudes is that even the case? Seems to me it was more about plot armor on Jon than the zombies "not fighting".

The zombies not meaning to kill Jon is a bit too far, I can see it as being more of a "if he has to die so that I can get to the 3ER, so be it" situation.

So much for Hot Wheels

seems like too much to accomplish in 3 episodes, brans character has been nuked from orbit just like littlefingers was. at this point a change like the ones described in this thread would fly over the heads of practically every mainstream watcher and I don't think D&D are capable of making it work out well.

Jon not being killed by the wights the Night King raised is due to plot armor and not because the Night King didn't want to kill Jon. He just didn't want to fight Jon because it served no purpose. He wanted to kill his true target, the Three-Eyed Raven.

Regardless how well its executed Brans actions and words don’t add up. His powers I assume didn’t vanish with The Night King. If that was his only purpose he should be dead, but for some reason he wants Jon on the Throne even though he could just marry and let everyone think Danny is next in line.

>at this point a change like the ones described in this thread would fly over the heads of practically every mainstream watcher and I don't think D&D are capable of making it work out well.
How would it fly over people's heads? "Bran is the Night King" has been theorized for so long by so many that it has become a meme. Bran has repeatedly said that he isn't "Bran" anymore. He told Jon that he isn't necessarily "human" anymore. Meera Reed said that "[Bran] died in that cave."

Bran is The Three-Eyed Raven. Why should the audience trust The Three-Eyed Raven? Why should we trust his explanation of The Night King's motives? The characters trust him because he looks like Bran Stark, but why should we trust him?

Why did he help to get Littlefinger killed? Because Littlefinger was getting in the way.

Why did he forgive Jaime? So Jaime can fight for him.

Why did he forgive Theon and call him a good man? So Theon could hold off The Night King.

Why did he give Arya the dagger? So she could kill The Night King.

Why does he want Jon to stake his claim for the Iron Throne? What's in it for him? Why does he give two fucks about the Iron Throne or who sits on it? He wants Jon to fight for his claim for a reason.

3 things...I think he already does have enough power, I don't think he needs to warg a dragon, but he very well may and that's another way to reveal his true intentions (see the ending of this post). The 3ER's power is greater than a dragon. He's the closest thing to a God after all. I think his very existence when he manifests in the flesh creates a monopoly on magic in the world. He wants it all for himself and the Children. To him, mankind doesn't deserve it. When the 3ER is weak though like when his body starts to become frail and he needs a replacement, magic returns. When the 3ER is strong, magic begins to dwindle and the dragons, as symbols of magic themselves, begin to wither from generation to generation. This is most likely why dragons inexplicably began to become stunted and shrunken historically. It was at least partially due to the 3ER returning into the world and sapping the magic.

The 3ER has been around for a long time, he's probably gone through multiple hosts, and he probably wants to avenge the Children or maybe just destroy people for if no other reason than bringing new religions over like the Seven and supplanting worship of him. He seems to need a new host body every so often, but other than that the "spirit" of the 3ER has been at work for a while. I think one of the 3ER's original schemes was to drive Aerys insane and get him to blow up King's Landing. When Bran was still Bran, he saw a vision with Aerys and the whole "Burn them all!" thing. That was him seeing the memories of the 3ER's plot to blow up King's Landing. So when Jaime killed Aerys, he actually foiled the 3ER's plan. This also means that when Jaime sees Bran again in Season 8, there is a reunion of another kind taking place. Jaime, Bran, and the 3ER who a young Jaime interfered with.

Presumably 3ER still knows there is wildfire under King's Landing and it would be interesting if one of the dragons does get warged specifically to trigger the explosion.

>And they didn't kill him, they just kept him from getting to Bran. Why? He was horribly outnumbered and alone
The episode had about 30 instances of editing magic saving people out of obviously hopeless situations, that's not a strong argument

To go into more wild territory it might have even been part of the 3ER's plan to use a Stark as his host body as well if the theory that Night King was originally a Stark is true just to be even more psychologically terrorizing to the NK. It certainly conveniently works for him as a way of increasing his potential protection from those in power as well. Basically like an intelligent parasite. Targaryens are in power? Use Bloodraven as your host. Jon Snow is part Stark and part Targaryen as well as heir to the Iron Throne, use his "little brother" as a host.

And it would explain again why the Night King hesitated to kill Arya. He basically got played by the 3ER. People are right that he could have snapped her neck, he could have chopped her in half, but he may have chose not to or hesitated because the WWs are still in fact part human and he saw this little girl as one of his descendants which is exactly what the 3ER was counting on. The twist is that the Night King's humanity got him killed the same way it did Jon, Ned, and so on and the audience was cheering for the villain without realizing it.

I feel like you put more 10x thought into this than the writers actually did and this is just a by-the-numbers good vs. evil fight.

I mean, did anyone forgot how Theon rescued Yara in a 10 second scene? Why didn't he kill Euron while he was at it? Arya can fucking teleport at will aparently.

I don't think Bran has an endgame, he looks like someone who has been spoiled to the next Marvel movie, he knows what is going to happen and doesn't care about it because he can't change anything, he thinks he is changing something but in fact he already did.

>I don't think Bran has an endgame, he looks like someone who has been spoiled to the next Marvel movie, he knows what is going to happen and doesn't care about it because he can't change anything, he thinks he is changing something but in fact he already did.
If Bran is just a Dr. Manhattan knockoff, why does he want Jon to know that he is Aegon Targaryen? The Three-Eyed Raven is directly trying to interfere with politics south of the Wall, even though he hasn't been south of the Wall in hundreds of years. The Night King is dead, so why does he give two shits if Jon or Daenerys sits on the Iron Throne? If he is just "humanity's memories" like he claims that he is, why is he does he want to influence who has control over Westeros?

Something is not adding up here. The Three-Eyed Raven has a hidden agenda, and we have no reason to believe that his intentions are pure.

I just think his endgame was to beat the NK and he did just that

You say "Why did he tell Jon that he is Aegon Targaryen?" to which i say, why not tell him? It didn't make a difference in the fight as Jon was already able to ride a dragon by then

He made a big deal out of needing to tell him as I recall

>You say "Why did he tell Jon that he is Aegon Targaryen?" to which i say, why not tell him?
He didn't say that, "Sam, tell Jon that he is Aegon Targaryen just for shits and giggles." He said, "He needs to know. We need to tell him."
>It didn't make a difference in the fight as Jon was already able to ride a dragon by then
Exactly. Again, what does Jon being a Targaryen have to do with anything? There is a sense of urgency in Bran wanting to tell Jon that he is Aegon Targaryen. He WANTS Jon to know that he is Aegon Targaryen.

>or warging into Hodor despite it scaring the man.
So much this. Several times it was discribed how this gentle giant resented getting warged but Bran did never gave it a secound thought.

Honestly I kind of expect them to kill off in the last battle now. He serves literally no purpose other than to remind the audience of all the abandoned plot lines

according to Kit Harrington. He called this upcoming episode his favorite and said it will have twists and turns and compared it to Shakespeare

Would be kino if Bran's ultimate goal is for everyone to die so he could rebuild it with trees

>Jon actually kills Danny and is the next king of the 7
>Bran is actually the new Night King
>Jon dies
>Bran becomes king due to lineages
>Snow on the iron throne scene

It would create even more confusion though. WTF would happen without there being a three-eyed raven?

Dude, i know you put a lot of thought into it but i think Occam's Razor is the most likely explanation

>why did he tell Jon he was Aegon
Because we needed some fake tension between Jon and Dany for drama purposes
>why did he tell Theon that he was a good man
to make the audience feel good about Theon before the end
>Why did he help get Littlefinger killed?
Because Littlefinger was actually a good villain and nobody else could blame him ofr what he did without supernatural powers
>Why did he forgive Jaime
He didn't, it just doesn't matter to him anymore
>Why did he give Arya the dagger
I agree on this but i also see it as "He already knew that the NK was going to lose"

I also think that the fact that they kill the NK in a single episode has more to do with the fact that Cersei and Euron were just better villains to work with

He is an ambigious character which is a left over from when the show used the source material, the same happened with other characters like Littlefinger who gets killed because he forgot how to be smart apparently

I dunno I'm sure they consulted with GRRM and have some mindfucked twist coming. Kit Harrington said episode 4 is his favorite episode and its gonna shock people with twists and compared it to something from Shakespeare

that bran stare reminds me of somebody

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Theres no need for multiple threads about your soap operas. Please respect the board and keep your discussions in your general. Thank you

>please respect the board
for someone who cares so much about the board, you clearly don't understand how it works. there is no rule to keep it locked in the general and the sheer fact theres so many threads and its always bumped just shows thats it popular. ie its the exact reason the bumping system exists. we get you dont like the show but fuck off no one cares about your opinion since your clearly in the minority. (given why game of thrones is still bumped to the top in multiple threads)

>They didn't say "hey Bran, if you can see the future, how do things turn out here?"
When did Bran claim to be able to see the future? They ask if dragon fire will kill the NK and he says "Duno, it's never happened before." Bran sees the past, not the future.

It would be great if it turns out Bran was evil and the NK was just trying to stop him and would have gone away after killing him.

>compared it to something from Shakespeare
nothing is safe

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Nice theory but the Three eyed raven is based on a book character, he's just the last grenseer, supposedly there were more during the Age of Heroes but much like dragons they're pretty much gone and now all that's left is him, alive through magic bullshit since he's more than a hundred years old and Bran. Bran just took the name to honor his mentor.

I doubt this is what happens , but you put a lot of thought into it so it's respectable

Is Shakespeare really that good by modern standards? A lot has happened since his time.

>Bran just took the name to honor his mentor.
But then why does he constantly say that he's not really Bran?

>Dude, i know you put a lot of thought into it but i think Occam's Razor is the most likely explanation
This is a television show featuring call-backs and foreshadowing, not reality. Most people saw the scene where Arya was given the Valyrian steel dagger and thought, "Bran can't use it, so it might as well go to Arya." It turns out that the dagger would be used by Arya to kill the Night King.

Bash the writing all you want; I am not here to defend the writing or execution of the show. Just don't dismiss everything outright by looking at it at face value, because many of these scenes have a purpose down the line.

>Bran just took the name to honor his mentor.
Bran didn't just take up the name, you dolt. He IS The Three-Eyed Raven.

Honestly sounds too smart for the show

They also say Winter is coming for 8 seasons and they defeat the NK in 1 episode

>Honestly sounds too smart for the show
It's not really that smart at all. We know that the White Walkers were invented as a weapon to use against humans and we the Children of the Forest made them. Why do we assume that the 3ER has good intentions when he is the one who was with the Children?

He's telling us he isn't Bran. He's telling us he isn't human. If it turns out that he doesn't have the best interests of humanity at heart, it wouldn't be surprising in the slightest.

The same reason an illumined sage isn't a human, I imagine

>They also say Winter is coming for 8 seasons and they defeat the NK in 1 episode
And they also emphasized the God's Eye () in season 8's intros. The God's Eye is where the Children and the First Men first made their pact. Why, in season 8, is there an emphasis on the God's Eye? What does it matter if the Three-Eyed Raven never goes near it?

I'm not saying that you're a genius or anything, just that D&D are hacks and the show is being written for girl power posters on social media.

The scene D&D added with Pycelle showing that his pretending to be infirm and decrepit was all an act would look really clever in hindsight if the 3ER/"Bran" ends up faking all of this and his wheelchair thing is just an act at this point.

>I'm not saying that you're a genius or anything, just that D&D are hacks and the show is being written for girl power posters on social media.
Absolutely true, but they are still going off of what GRRM told them will happen in the end.

in russian 'three' is pronounced like 'tree' (тpи/tri), so this works on a few levels. 'eye' is pronounced like 'glass' so "three eye" is basically "tree glass".

>I'm not saying that you're a genius or anything, just that D&D are hacks and the show is being written for girl power posters on social media.
Your right, but you have the most popular show in the world that D&D have been heavily involved in and that had captured a mainstream audience. With that comes high hopes and expectations. They know all the lore of the books, they know about the loose ends. The feminist seals on Twitter will clap at anything a woman does positive in the show. The general audience does not watch for that. They expect an ending. It all depends on whether or not they care anymore about the narrative at the home stretch or if the fake Twitter trannies are enough for them. This thing with Bran acting weird was their idea. If they want a good subversion, you make Bran the villain.

When is it ever said that he became a fucking sociopath?

This is the only way actually to fix the White Walker and mythology storyline, the only really. Honestly it would fix the show as a whole and it would be so much more satisfying on rewatches, it would be worth to rewatch. If they wrapped the mythology and Bran storyline in episode 3, then there is no reason to rewatch this show because everything doesnt matter. First scene of S01E01 dont matter, Bran storyline beyond the wall don't matter, literally all the mythology, fantasy stuff don't matter and was butchered.

D&D are not great writers, but i think they care to go on high note, all world is watching, if they will fuck up then they will be partially responsible and can affect their career in some way (GRRM is to blame with them, not only because he didnt end books but also because as Executive Producer he should work more with the showrunners on finishing on highnote his LIFE WORK in visual medium, if he dont care just like he dont care to finish his books, then fuck him).

>the little kid pinned to the wall in a wheel
they used that symbol in fucking season 1 when they arranged the dead night's watch men into it.

I guess he knew Bran was going to be in a wheelchair even back then

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Good thread about discussing something actually and theoryzing, i hope D&D will deliever, but looking at the previous few seasons when everything was predictable and rushed i cant see it, there is nothing to discuss probably with D&D. everything is as straightforward and generic as it can be. I miss Twin Peaks The Return threads where we could actually theory craft after literally every episode. Game of Thrones is one big waste of potential, there only meme lefts, nothing to discuss, theory crafting with D&D is also waste of time, hope they will prove me wrong, but i dont have much hope.

Who? Bran? There is no Bran.

Sadly this

It's the Children of the Forest's symbol, and they made the Night King. The Three-Eyed Raven was with the Children.

Wheelchairs have nothing to do with it.

Brans only purpose was to lure the nk into a place where arya could kill him. Its over, the story has moved on as seen in the scenes from the next episode where bran isn't even shown once. The whole nk saga has been nothing but a pain in the ass for benioff and Weiss and they are glad its over so the can focus back on the soap opera aspect of the show and tell magic aspect to fuck off.

>Its over, the story has moved on as seen in the scenes from the next episode where bran isn't even shown once.
You think the entire episode was shown in the trailer? Your argument is not convincing in the slightest.

Wouldn't that make 3ER and children of the forest the jews, White Walkers muslims and humans christians?

This is a legit article. This is who D&D pander to

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Because they couldn't think of another way to tell the characters about Johns lineage.

You're right that it doesn't make sense but so does a lot of shit in this show

yeah, I know. It just seemed like you were implying the symbol was because of the wheelchair lol

His argument is convincing because we are dealing with Benioff and Weiss there, they dumbed down all the mythology from the books, because they were as writers were more interested in the political aspect. So i can easily believe that Bran/3ER and White Walkers arcs was finished last episode and their moved on on the politics and throne stuff. I want to be wrong, but with these fuckers it hard to be optimistic.

They're the ones who kept building this shit up you mong. There is no night king in the books and Johns arcs post watchers on the wall were made up by them from scratch

Shhh. Its over now. We're going to kings landing now to fight cersie. Bran will remain in winterfell and give his final farewell. Dany will probably sit on the iron throne. Fade to black.

I think also that if you want to sell shows and movies to China, you need to cut back on the magic and the occult, since the commies don’t like that shit.

Bran being a bad guy just falls into being a bad trope.

Look at the lengths we go to to try and make sense of bad writing, unbelievable plot armor...

They built it up so the could fucking end it. The nk was never given any kind of character development no lines, no purpose but to be the key to EASILY ending the conflict so they could get back to the stuff the normie audience cares about which is drama and the iron throne.

Theories are always better than the real thing

Yeah, because the normie audience just HATES zombies. That doesn't appeal to them at all.

If you think they walking dead is successful because of zombies then you have your head up your ass. Its successful because of drama.

Pack it up boys, its literally over. Fuck D&D fucking hacks retard ruined GOT.

Confirmation that any theories about Bran being the secret bad guy/Night King mk2 are wrong

nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/tv/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-the-night-king-55461

"What we tried to do with that moment, where The Night King arrives and stares at Bran and Bran stares at him, and this wasn't in the script, this was me and [director] Miguel [Sapochnik] coming up with this idea of Bran feeling sorry for him. Bran is looking at him and thinking, "I'm so sorry that they did this to you", because Bran was there and saw the creation of The Night King. He saw that shard of dragonglass pushed through this guy's heart. He was strapped to a tree. He didn't want to become this evil ice zombie. So yeah, what we thought was just a really beautiful moment where Bran is feeling sorry for this, this monster that's got out of control. He just can't stop killing."

It's just such an epic moment because these are two of the ancient beings of Westeros, The Night King and the Three-Eyed Raven. There have been many Three-Eyed Ravens. You know, the last Three-Eyed Raven was killed by the Night King, and that's all he wants to do. He wants to end the history, wants to destroy all memory of mankind, and civilization."

Literally disgusting

Straw man argument. I did not mention The Walking Dead at all. Zombies appeal to the masses, so to claim that D&D did away with them solely to pander to fans of political intrigue, is absurd.

>Confirmation that any theories about Bran being the secret bad guy/Night King mk2 are wrong
>and this wasn't in the script, this was me and [director] Miguel [Sapochnik] coming up with this idea of Bran feeling sorry for him
How does the director making a stylistic choice ruin any theories?

But this is interview with Bran, and this was Isaac idea also... And Isaac know how his character will develop in the show, imho there is no hope.

i got to the same conclusion. also didn't old nan say to bran to never trust a raven? haven#T read the books but it looks like the old 3er is chained on that tree and i believe he only needed to bran to 'take over his body to get out of that hole. meera even mentioned he isn't the same since he left that hole. after all bran could warg into hoder while in the past. maybe he needed bran connected on his tree to do the same with him.

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correct me if i have something mixed up also ignore the typos

>Zombies appeal to the masses, so to claim that D&D did away with them solely to pander to fans of political intrigue, is absurd.
But That's exactly what happened in last weeks episode lol. They wrapped up that story line and are focusing back on the iron throne. Nightking is dead which means no more zombies. If youre expecting d&d to pull some kind of twist that involves actually talented storytelling then you're wrong, ever since they parted ways with the books the story has gone to shit, why would anyone expect anything more than an what we've gotten so far

The night king can control people who have already died.

Brandon can (and has) controlled people against their will WHILE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE.

You tell me which one is more evil.

And he has nobody to stop him now, because he looks like a Stark.

Honestly I feel like the NK was Bran and the three eyed raven stole brans body and it's been big switcheroo and bran got the short end of the stick so to speak. He spares Jon too may times, hesitates too long to allow Arya to kill him when he had ample time to fuck her shit up. And he targets people that hurt Bran.

Bran see's wildlings try to kill Jon. NK kills wildlings.

Bran sees the Nights Watch take him hostage to witness full blown atrocities at Crasters keep,raping, killing, breaking guest right. NK spares craster in exchange for his sons.

Kills children of the forest and the old three eyed raven as revenge because the children and three eyed raven damned bran to his fate.

Bran sent his brother to be fostered by house Umber and they contributed in the killing of his baby brother. NK targets the Umbers and ignores the rest of the north when he could build his army from the rest of the watch castles, moles town, mountain clans, village next to queenscrown and desecrates the umber boy. A son for a son.

Heads straight to winterfell. Only kills Theon personally because he forced bran to flee and killed a bunch of people bran loved and forced him to watch it.

Spares Jon three times. Outright ignores Jon and doesn't kill him. Raises way too many wights to kill, they surround Jon and just stall him. Allows Arya to kill him.

And the NK to 'bran' did exactly as Ned Stark teaches his children. To look the person in the eyes, and wait for their last words. And NK WAITED FOR AGES. All bran gave him a guilty face and when he looks down and up again the NK even cocks his head like you seriously don't have any words for me after what you've forced me to endure? Also the three eyed raven raised Jon and Arya as shields. Arya kills Bran and whoever kills 'bran' has to go through Jon. Thats why he wants Jon to be king. Even if you kill 'bran' Jon will kill whoever does it despite knowing its not even bran.

I mean, sure, that has the dark and edgy quality, but you'd need to asspull a reason as to why Bran doesn't try to communicate to his friends and family that he's the NK.

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Also I think the Night Kings goal is to destroy wierwood magic. Basically tried to revert himself back to human by any means possible. Which is why he leaves the spiral symbol ( symbol of the wierwood magic ) and why he burnt that symbol up. Also in the after promo teaser that was releases prior to the first episode Jaimes hand has a new design in that promo. The hand that was left in the snow. And it has the spiral children symbols on it instead of his regular gold hand. So I'm guessing Jaime might do the deed in killing false bran or killing the wierwood tree at the gods eye. The tree that is the source of all the other trees magic.

a child who's left to fester in the body of a cold hearted monster for a thousand years. I think he has a one track goal above all else. And those moments of sparing jon and arya were slip ups. Shock moments. But essentially if he had to choose between killing his family and killing wierwood magic. He'd probably kill his family if need be and then kill the magic. They were slip ups. It's bran but it's not really bran anymore.

>Basically tried to revert himself back to human by any means possible

Bingo.

3ER is the end boss of CoF and NK was a cronie until it gained sentience. The dude just wants to become human or at the very least destroy evil which is the 3ER.

I think the sentience gaining may have been the moment bran was transferred when he lost his body. When wargs / skinchangers die they go into the body of the creature they're bonded to.

And bran is bonded to the night king. He even bears his mark representing this bond. Also he should never have seen bran in the wiernet suggesting a connection prior to gaining the mark.

Confirmation that any theories about Bran being the secret bad guy/Night King mk2 are wrong

nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/tv/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-the-night-king-55461

"What we tried to do with that moment, where The Night King arrives and stares at Bran and Bran stares at him, and this wasn't in the script, this was me and [director] Miguel [Sapochnik] coming up with this idea of Bran feeling sorry for him. Bran is looking at him and thinking, "I'm so sorry that they did this to you", because Bran was there and saw the creation of The Night King. He saw that shard of dragonglass pushed through this guy's heart. He was strapped to a tree. He didn't want to become this evil ice zombie. So yeah, what we thought was just a really beautiful moment where Bran is feeling sorry for this, this monster that's got out of control. He just can't stop killing."

It's just such an epic moment because these are two of the ancient beings of Westeros, The Night King and the Three-Eyed Raven. There have been many Three-Eyed Ravens. You know, the last Three-Eyed Raven was killed by the Night King, and that's all he wants to do. He wants to end the history, wants to destroy all memory of mankind, and civilization."

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Bran and Gendry and Rickon and Joffrey and Tommen and Jojen and Dickon and Lancel and Loras are so handsome.

Eurons actor and the show runners also said that when he saw the body of the wight in the dragon pit he was genuinely afraid and the plan was to fuck off. Speaking as if he had no other motive to go to the golden company until that part was revealed.

why the fuck would they reveal the twist. they didn't when it came to euron

>Night King is passive throughout the whole battle
>Bran does the eyeroll thing
>Night King suddenly proceeds to give more intricate commands to the troops and starts using the dragon to burn the walls, actively raises hordes of extra undead
YOU'RE A GENIUS DABID

Meh, I doubt the show is going to touch on the 3ER being evil. I'm waiting until WoW and ADoS.

>Meh, I doubt the show is going to touch on the 3ER being evil. I'm waiting until WoW and ADoS.
You know D&D are (poorly) following GRRM's outlines, right?

You are confusing it to fake NK actor twitter posts. Nothing like that is coming.

No they're not. They know the absolute end of the series and everything else is made up by them

But blood raven isn't the three eyed crow though. It is known.
The three eyed crow is something else entirely.
I dont doubt that the children are possibly using bloodraven's(and soon bran's) abilities to destroy humans after what humans have done to them.

>“One of my favorite episodes is 4 because the characters have seemingly got what they needed,” Harington says of the roughly 20 main characters still gathered at Winterfell. “The world is safe now. They’re celebrating and saying goodbye to lost friends. But as an audience you’re going, ‘This is only episode 4, something’s going to happen.’ And that’s the cool thing because I think the characters are aware of this as well. There’s something twisted and uncomfortable about it. It’s so Shakespearian.”

ew.com/tv/2019/05/02/kit-harington-game-of-thrones-episode-season-8-episode-4/

DABID

THE 3ER IS PLAYING BOTH SIDES DABID

HE CAN SEE THE FUTURE DABID

>No they're not. They know the absolute end of the series and everything else is made up by them
And you know that The Three-Eyed Raven doesn't play into the end of the series how? Did GRRM tell you?

I really hope Kit is right.

>The twist
there are no more twists. it's just fan service now,

On one hand, the last episode definitely left a bad taste in my mouth and it seemed a little too convenient and easy for the NK to fall like that. And 3ER is always creepy.

On the other hand, the entirety of the Dorne arc left a bad taste in my mouth too. Hey theoryfags, go back and see if there's any indication that the Sand Snakes are being Warged into to become retarded, or if it's just bad writing

The twist is Sansa's pregnant with Varys child.

Benioffs dick was warging the writing where he got rid of a massive chunk of the story so he could fuck Indra Varma

I stand corrected. Sounds good maybe Kit is on to something.

That would be EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED!

The twist is Dany going mad and somehow Tyrion and Sansa plotting their way to the Throne by removing Jon

You know, it would be pretty cool next episode if the 3ER tries to manipulate Sam again, then Sam pushes back, questions his motives, and is killed for it. A being, who can control any animal, can make anything look like an accident.

Now that I think about it, Sam almost is ran over by horses at the start of his scene with Bran in the season finale.

If that's foreshadowing, I will fucking laugh my ass off.

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>finale
I meant premiere.

SAMWELL KILLS DANY ALONG WITH HER DRAGON IN A 1V2 DUEL
BRAN ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE MAGIC POWERS, HE'S JUST MAKING UP RANDOM SHIT AND IT'S AMBIGUOUS ENOUGH TO WORK, ALSO FAKED HIS LEG INJURY ALL ALONG
EDDARD STARK'S EXECUTION WAS DONE ON A BODY DOUBLE, HE ACTUALLY JOINED CERSEI AND HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE SHADOWS FOR HER
ARYA SURVIVES NOTRE DAME

WE'RE TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL DABID

I'd love a scene of a flock of ravens chasing and attacking same so he breaks his legs falling down a staircase screaming. Gilly finds him ranting and raving on about the birds and he dies. Then we see gilly wandering around like a freak trying to warn people about birds and shit but no one takes notice of her because she's a redneck whore.

Martin himself said they took some big liberties for the ending. It's probably about as close as any "based on a real story" movie that based on a real event.

Liberties are taken to make the average TV watcher enjoy the show.

I still enjoy the show even though its a mess. But I can't wait until the last two books.

You know what, I am actually calling it. The twist that Kit is talking about is that The Three-Eyed Raven is evil. The Three-Eyed Raven tries to manipulate Sam, Sam sees through him, and then The Three-Eyed Raven wargs into horses and runs over Sam.

Screencap this shit.

This whole series was just one convoluted plan by Eddard Stark to get out of a dying marriage.

DABID

THE WHOLE SERIES IS REFERRING TO SHOTO TODOROKI FROM BOKU NO HERO ACADEMIA

HE IS THE SONG OF ICE AND FIRE

AND DABID

DABID WHAT POWERS DOES HE HAVE

ICE

AND...

FIRE!

>That’s why he didn’t attack Jon?
He just didn't wanna duel some manlet. It wasn't charity, he had cripples to kill.

Jesus, that's even dumber than the actual show's writing.

I would just like to point out Bran has been having A LOT of offscreen conversations.

expect ass-pulling on Sunday

Bloodraven is the 3ER. In the show, the 3ER states that his name used to by Brynden. It’s him—one and the same. So, we know that the 3ER is a Targaryen bastard who betrayed his illegitimate Blackfyre brethren and sided with the the Targs. We know that Brynden/Bloodraven/3ER was previously the leader of the Nights Watch, before disappearing beyond the wall about 30 years before Robert’s Rebellion. The NK is possibly one of Brynden’s Targaryen or Blackfyre enemies from back then. In any case, the NK is not a fan of the 3ER