Is it better to take risks and subvert expectations or stick to a predictable formula so no one gets hurt?
Is it better to take risks and subvert expectations or stick to a predictable formula so no one gets hurt?
Hunter Gray
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Jackson Price
This assumes subverting expectations hurt anyone
Also, Tolkien invented the formula
Parker Parker
People somehow think subverting expectations is good because no one was expecting that.
Just because you write some nonsense bullshit, doesn't make it good.
Nolan Smith
there are plenty of subversions in LOTR though
Nicholas Martinez
"Is it better to write bad stories and pretend it's super intellectual, but really just a slap in the face to the fans and political feminism?"
Post-Modernism's dying breath
Jose Collins
Really? Like what?
Does the Fellowship splitting up almost immediately count as a subversion? I don't know what a reader back then would have expected
Brayden Nelson
I assure you, he did not.
Logan Hughes
Name one. Not a minor detail, like oh I didn't expect Legolas to do that! an actual plot/thematic one.
Luis Flores
Best in life is to have coherent themes and a satisfying resolution to conflict that is appropriate to the development of the characters.
Brayden Morgan
the lesson here is that its better to stick to source material
Hudson Cooper
We need to send a powerful and valuable object into the heart of hostile territory to destroy it.
The best person for this mission is not the strongest or the fastest or the most wise, but a simple halfling.
Grayson Davis
Its about the storytelling
Stop this meme of subvertion and predictable formula
A good story will do the work regards how it does
Jacob Sanders
He modernized it. He took old pagan/christian mythology, that have been around for thousands of years, and made it into a one coherent story.
Ethan Taylor
He didn't invent the formula, but he did adapt the formula of historical epics and mythologies and present them to a modern audience, which is a huge feat in itself. A good portion of modern fantasy is then derived from LotR
Jose Green
The ending when Gollum bites the ring off of Frodo's finger and then gets hurled into the volcano was pretty unexpected imo
Brandon Moore
That's true, good point. Corollary to that, Frodo finally succumbing to the Ring after all was surely unexpected as well
Hunter Jenkins
That's just the setup? Frodo is never expected to fail because he's nothing more then a vehicle for the plot to move from point A to expected point Z and it does arrive at point Z and all's well that ends well and no expectations are challenged.
Brody Ramirez
Would Samwise being able to carry the ring for a brief time without succumbing count?
Joshua Bennett
OP, it depends. If you can subvert expectations while still being satisfying, like Avengers: Infinity War, then that's great. On the other hand a good, solid, well made and well told story done with enough panache to elevate it, like Aquaman, then I'm just as happy. But MOST IMPORTANT, hire good looking people, have nice rich colorful sets, costumes and cinematography and I'll watch anything!!!FACT!!!
Caleb Sanchez
In LOTR's case they fulfilled expectations but did it in such ways that subverted them while being satisfying!!!FACT!!!
Charles Carter
How was LotR predictable if you didn't read the books? I don't want to see what's going to happen from a mile away but I don't think that was the case with LotR anyway.
Jordan Foster
But Frodo does fail. That's the whole point.
Watch this video for an in-depth explanation:
Michael Watson
Incredibly dumb and obviously loaded question.
Who's to say that LOTR had a predictable formula? At the time, you didn't know shit. Even when you knew the lore, the books, you'd watch jackson's take and you didn't know what would fucking happen and when it did, it was beyond all expectation.
That's why it's a timeless classic, that's why you watched this shit a million times, even after you already knew what was going to happen. That's how you came to the conclusion that it's a "predictable formula" when it was never predictable until you made it out to be that way.
The trilogy won multiple awards and touched the hearts of men and women all over the world, it became an iconic symbol off of it's own and is known today by virtually all age groups. So it was a giant risk to make this trilogy, you can't even imagine and you probably never will because now it's more important to deconstruct timeless classics out of envy and stupidity without any critical thinking and ask ignorant loaded questions on garbage boards.
Bentley Moore
>the setup
by which you mean the entire point of Tolkien's morality play about power and restraint
Daniel Russell
Frodo giving in to the Ring.
The great climactic battle between two great armies headed by a King being nothing more than a distraction.
Parker Lewis
Yes. GOT season 1-5 were fine.
Sunverted expectations as part of the plot that makes sense is fine. The Red Wedding or Jon being stabbed to death for example.
Logan Moore
>5
>dorne plotline
>fine
I think generosity might be a fatal flaw of yours.
Dominic Thomas
>filmfags
Colton Anderson
>those popcorn movies took a lot of effort and money to make therefore that is a validation of their artistic merit
Ryder Wright
Subversion is the predictable formula now.
Kevin Morales
Art is just another language to convey thoughts, ideas and emotions from one person to the next. Film, literature, music etc is just a means to do it with. It was incredibly successful and deserved all the recognition it got. Effort and money has nothing to do with it.