Super mature and serious series has little girl with barely any training running around killing everyone

>there is only one god and hes a weak fag who you can fuck over.

death confirmed male feminist

We do not know the timespan those couple episodes cover. Arya is known to be a fast learner, as can be witnessed by the lessons she received from Syrio Forel.

>Arya is known to be a fast learner, as can be witnessed by the lessons she received from Syrio Forel.
So...a Mary Sue

if she fucking learned anything she wouldn't still be arya stark

Gonna add more

>deceives Faceless God wiith no repercussion
>R'hllor was sucking her dick by reviving people to save her ( ???? )
>Three-Eyed Raven was sucking her dick by setting up a kill for her

Apparently 2 out of atleast 3 confirmed Gods can see the future and foresaw her as a "chosen one"

If that's not Mary Sue writing, I don't know what is honestly.

No, a Mary Sue is an overall perfect character. Having one or even several positive traits does not constitute a case of being a Mary Sue. Having no negative traits does. Arya is known to be impulsive, vengeful and rash. Three negative traits. Hence, you either know SHIT about what "Mary Sue" actually means and just regurgitate what you hear from others, OR you are a fucking liar. Either way, please go back to voat.co, incel.

So if she learns ANYTHING at all, she IMMEDIATELY ceases to be Arya Stark. Got it. My god the FUCKING INCEL BRAINLETS on this board.

>Arya is known to be impulsive, vengeful, and rash
Maybe but she when shows these traits there's no negative consequences because there's literally no negative consequences to anything she does.

No you fucking moron jesus how can shit just go over your head like this?

There was a negative consequence when she took a life that wasn't hers to take (she went blind). So that, too, is bullshit.

Did people fall asleep when Arya scenes were on? She trained six seasons, sometimes formally like with Syrio,and some time informally when she was surviving with the Hound.

>i- i totally meant a different thing than what can be directly unambiguosly inferred from my original post
Yeah you are a liar. Nothing more. Just openly lying.

>”The things I do for love”
They were quipping from the first episode.

The problem with Arya is her acting in the show, not the writing. In the books when she says 'i am no one' it's from the point of view of a person who has mega ptsd from all the horrible stuff she's seen and done since late childhood and also because she's had to lose her identity and play many different characters to survive in whatever situation she found herself. When she says 'I am no one' she means she has destroyed her identity. When she says it in the show the actor smirks because she's playing the role of sassy badass #yassqueen and 'I am no one' is just a cool thing to say.

>I don't understand what mary sue is

It's sooo true.
Hey, do you remember that bit when Jaqen Hgar fought off twenty good men by spinning like a ballet dancer dodging their slashes, doing backflips and shit? Yeah that's what they teach all the faceless assassins, whose whole thing is that they blend in by taking people's identities and never stand out.

It is glaringly obvious and proven in this tread that people who call Arya a "Mary Sue" are in fact those who don't understand what "Mary Sue" means.

>whose whole thing is that they blend in by taking people's identities and never stand out.
>whole thing
Please produce the written statement by George R. R. Martin that the faceless men do nothing besides what you claim. Otherwise: Classical absence of evidence/evidence of absence fallacy.

She's been a mary sue since S5

>sweep floors and bathes elderly people for a season and a half
>fail every test
>get chased by girl who stabs her multiple times and throws her in the river
OMG YOU MALE CHAUVINISTS SHE TRAINED FOR SIX SEASONS WITH DA BEST ASSASSINS SO OF COURSE SHE'S A FEMALE DARTH MAUL NOW

>Mary Sue
>A character having no (zero) negative traits
So, I come up with one bad trait and you eat your words? Ok then.

Please produce a written statement by George R. R. Martin that what we have seen in the series is ALL Arya experienced during that timespan.

>explicitly write chapter after chapter of all this fucking nothing happening
>oh no guys, all the REAL training really happened I just never wrote about it
bravo

AND WHO ARE YOU

Arya is supposed to be a tragic character in the books.
It's exactly the opposite in the show, where it's awesome for some reason that a young girl grew up to be a stone cold assassin.

Mary Sue is more about being portrayed as flawless, rather than being actually flawless. Being vengeful, impulsive or rash doesn't actually ever come back to haunt Arya. If anything, the showrunners seem to think it just adds to her character and makes her able to be invincible or some dumb shit like that.

>stone cold
she's a snarky smirking bitch tho

I'm so tired of this.
>muh training
>gets dismantled
>okay well it's a show about dragons and ice zombies just have sex
or
>well she might have been gaining superpowers offscreen, just assume and accept my headcanon

This is literally how it goes, every time
It's all so tiresome

GURM hasn't had anything to do with the show since season 2. There's an old storytelling technique of show don't tell, and since Arya was never shown to be doing any serious training and now out of nowhere we're just told "she learnt all this high-level secret magic assassin stuff look that's why she's an anime protagonist"

Your logic is retarded. You would probably defend Alice from the resident evil movies because she has "flaws" like she gets mad sometimes.

Why didn't Stannis just snap his fingers and instantly vaporize all of his enemies? I mean it's a show about dragons and ice zombies right?

To anyone who actually agrees with this retarded shit, let me ask you a question: What is stopping Arya from going south next episode, and assassinating Euron and Cersei? Maybe the mountain and Qyburn too just for good measure. Bronn as well, and the leader of The Golden Company. And any prominent Lannister relative or bannerman who might continue the fight. What could possibly stop her magic god ninja power from killing them all?
Do you understand why some people may have problems with the state of her character now?

no, she's edgy and has no emotions

>"What we offer cannot be bought with gold. The cost is all of you. Men take many paths through this vale of tears and pain. Ours is the hardest. Few are made to walk it. It takes uncommon strength of body and spirit, and a heart both hard and strong."
>I have a hole where my heart should be, she thought, and nowhere else to go.

>And there was one girl who took to following her, the village elder's daughter. She was of an age with Arya, but just a child; she cried if she skinned a knee, and carried a stupid cloth doll with her everywhere she went. The doll was made up to look like a man-at-arms, sort of, so the girl called him Ser Soldier and bragged how he kept her safe. "Go away," Arya told her half a hundred times. "Just leave me be." She wouldn't, though, so finally Arya took the doll away from her, ripped it open, and pulled the rag stuffing out of its belly with a finger. "Now he really looks like a soldier!" she said, before she threw the doll in a brook.

>white male
nah

B-BUT SHE TRAINED...!

>whole-ass
leftism is a mental illness.

*clap* this *clap* show *clap* isn't *clap* for *clap* you *clap*

>what is character development?
>what is storytelling?

You're just afraid of a strong female character, you alr right incel russian hacker drumpftard /pol/posting bigot nazi

Oh wow
It happened guys, you just don't see or hear about any of it

Is she blind now? What consequence?

even fucking Ben Shapiro agrees she's not a mary sue. you can't say she has barely any training when we watched her grow over the course of 7 seasons from her training with Syrio, the Hound, and the Faceless Men, not to mention her time playing lannister cupbearer with Tywin. Rey is a genuine mary sue: she shows up out of nowhere and is a master/genius at everything: she knows wookie, how to wire up the falcon, expert shot/fighter, etc. Arya starts out a rambuctious little girl who almost gets herself killed several times-- we see her growth over the course of several seasons. It's a shame the Braavos storyline wasn't better, but you can't just wave off her intense training.

NK getting ganked last minute without fighting Jon at all is disappointing as shit, but Arya having the killing blow ain't the reason why. It would have been better if Jon fought him but was vastly overpowered and Arya comes in with the save. Would have perfectly mirrored Ned losing the battle at the tower of joy only to be saved by Reed last minute.

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You don't understand, this is a revolutionary writing technique. It could reshape all of genre fiction!

>write boring story where nothing happens except some dialogue between fixed, monotone characters
>drag it out several books
>oh by the way there was TONS of stuff happening it was just never mentioned before!

Jon: stick em with the pointy end
Arya: *sticks em with the pointy end*
Problem?

>even some random jew agrees
And?

arya learned to sword fight from the Italian in the first season.
she learned politics from the old man lanister

she hung out with the hound for awhile then got trained by the many faced god

even in her kill of the nk, it wasnt a one on one sword fight. she jumped and he caught her like the undertaker..she stabbed him. some of you faggots are embellishing what happened in that scene; when jon fought the nk that was a back and forth fight.
in aryas case she was about to die and threw a hailmary

Damn. Wish we got this cold, dark Arya more in the series; would have made her returning to Winterfell and rejoining her family a much more redemptive and satisfying story.

>6 whole seasons of some vague guidance and then going to headquarters where she sweeps floors, wanks corpses, and sells seafood
wtf she's an assassin and I'm with her now

>barely any training
Huh?

What serving a Frey pie wasn't enough for you?

>impulsive, vengeful and rash.
The show presents these as inherently positive though since she never suffers any consequences for them.

Over those six seasons, what kind of actual high level training was she shown to be doing?

Yes. The newer seasons are shit. The arya scene is still retarded

Why do there need to be consequences?

She "trained" for six years and became expert marksman, expert stealther, expert swordsman and expert thrower!
Ugh!!!

It's actually a pretty clever twist because you wouldn't assume that this little powerhouse would be able to kill the knightking.

Are you not familiar with A Song of Ice and Fire?

yeah but it was seen as a badass, powerful moment rather than "oh my god jesus christ, she went too far this time". at least that's how most people took it.

it would have been interesting if she told Sansa what she had done and Sansa was proud of her taking revenge for Robb and Catelyn, but also disgusted by her actions.

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Answering a question with a question, must be a jew.

>wouldn't assume a woman wins in a cucked show
retard

answer the question

my wifes second fiance loved it and that's all it matters, shitlord.

It was badass.
Why does there need to be some kind of divine justice?
Theon made a single mistake in the entire show and was tortured forever until death. Not every action gets an equal punishment.

Not him. But you are literally retarded for not understanding what he meant, it was obvious. He was saying that she did not learn to become a faceless because she held onto her identity

>high level training
Why don't we list off every character she has ever interacted with in the show since the first season? And all the people she has had to avoid in the process to keep from getting killed.

I understand that a lot of people don't rewatch the old seasons, but it's not like her character hasn't been in the show frequently and regularly over the past 8 seasons, learning different things from different characters. Even her father taught her basic things like archery and sword-fighting. What she lacked in season one was practical application of those skills against people that want her dead, as opposed to family members she was just sparring with or competing against.

I like how both sides of this discussion just hand-wave the other side or have very selective recollection of how much has taken place.

How annoyed would everyone be if Theon had just stabbed the Night Kind in the foot with dragon glass after he collapsed and the Night King just walked past him presumed lifeless corpse?

Perhaps the biggest issue is hype and expectations rather than the content of the show itself. I think there are more than enough people who wouldn't be happy about how things happened in this season no matter how things unfolded.

Literally who gives a shit about Ben Shapiro?

And that you understand why Rey is so terrible, yet defend Arya, fucking baffles me. Suffice to say nothing covered why she became a master swordsman or gained superhuman physical abilities. She has not been continuously training, she had been a child prisoner who "practiced" by herself from ehat she remembered during her very brief fencing lessons when she was eight.

i mean you do make a good point here, but it's ridiculous to think she can just gank The Mountain. She got lucky with the NK because he's a white walker he just burst into ice with one hit (which presumably is why he was avoiding fighting anyone directly since they all had dragonglass/valyrian steel). The Mountain is basically around Cersei 24/7 except when she's with Euron... basically what I'm trying to say is the circumstances to kill em are more difficult than NK since they're not just going to burst apart if she gets one hit in. She can't assassinate the Mountain, and thus she won't be able to get to Cersei.

then again I guess she could steal someone's face and just roll on in so maybe I'm fucking wrong. it's the same situation with a character like Superman, Quicksilver or Captain Marvel. they're too powerful to have on screen all the time, so you have to write around them. I guess you're right but I hope they address it in the next episode like "Why don't I just roll in and kill them" "Arya fuck no you got lucky with NK don't risk it, you're still a kid". Even that would be good enough.

>Why does there need to be some kind of divine justice?

Not saying there needs to be justice for it; I was going back to what the other user said about how cold/emotionless Arya was in the books after her return from Braavos. Would have been nice to have a moment where other characters were like "fuck arya what's happened to you" before she gets her redemption in killing the NK or something. the book user mentioned she's a tragic character in the books because she loses her identity essentially because of the pain of her father's death and her quest for revenge.

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>She can't assassinate the Mountain, and thus she won't be able to get to Cersei.
Does the fact that he's resurrected mean he has no vitals? 1 surprise stab to the neck and he's dead.
Or if you can't kill him, just wait until Cersei is more than 2 metres away from him and zoom in, stab cersei, zoom out. None of this should require any particular effort based on what we've seen her character can do so far.

>her father taught her basic archery and swordfighting
Okay.

>all the people she has had to avoid
Avoiding people doesn't automatically make you the most amazing warrior in the universe and other characters did the same thing.

Arya sweeped floors and had basic training. Nothing to make her the main antagonist killer who can do impossible feats because YASS QUEEN SLAYYYY.

he's right , BUT the show did a really bad job showing her training. so bad it's hard to really even call what they showed us training, despite that being what those scenes were supposed to be.

dude we had two seasons of her in Braavos training in the House of Black & White. It's unfortunate that storyline wasn't as good as it could have been but her swordsmanship and stealth mastery didn't just come from nothing as you say. We see that Jaquen and the Waif have these abilities from that same training as well.

They've all done similar things, would be pretty strange for them to judge her.
One choice or the other, neither is better. Some people get PTSD, others can kill without a problem without being psychopaths.

yeah but Mountain's got neck armor though.

regardless i admit you are right about how her power level is a problem now. it's like I said: they gotta write around it by addressing it directly now otherwise it's going to be unbelievable that she can't just do what you're saying.

>Arya finally gets to Braavos
>learns that to gain the ability to get her revenge, she must give up who she is and thus her desire for revenge
>D&D take full story directive at this point, no more book material
>Arya fails her very brief training, most of which was psychological and menial labour
>Arya is now a smug jedi who can and does wipe out major players effortlessly, only getting more insufferably smug with each kill
It's fine though guys
SHE TRAINED

>They've all done similar things
I don't think any other main "good" character has gone to the lengths Arya did with feeding Walder his own sons. I might be forgetting something though, but you gotta admit that if Brienne/Davos/Sansa/Jon/whoever heard that they'd be like "jesus fuck, alright good job I guess but gods that's a lot arya".

omae wa mou shindeiru

The real training was just shown off-screen lol there are dragons and zombies

On another note, if becoming a super assassin is so easy, and the super assassins are so powerful and can blend in anywhere and teleport at will, why don't they just rule the world?

NK a bitch

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>and the super assassins are so powerful and can blend in anywhere and teleport at will, why don't they just rule the world?
because that would be antisemitic

She didn't fail, she only decided not to take the final step.
The arc made perfect sense, in order to become a faceless man you have to give up your identity, but by giving up your identity you give up your revenge as well.
Being Arya Stark was the only way to move forward and years went by between all those things that happened.

>there are dragons and zombies!
>therefore consistensy doesn't matter
kill yourself unironically

I've been arguing in this thread for how we do see her trained but this right here is the main issue with the argument: that the braavos storyline of her training is fucked because we just see her fail over and over and don't actually see her gain the abilities she uses in the battle.

if we saw her actually learn and use her swift silent running/parkour or whatever, or even a montage of her getting better at swordplay, it would have made all this a lot more digestible. It's a shame because we KNOW the House of Black & White teaches these abilities because we see Jaquen pull it off seasons prior, but for some reason D&D chose not to feature that part of her training over her getting her ass kicked by the Waif over and over. useless fucking character IMO.

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She IS the chosen one. Incels are butthurt because is not John "I have a penis" Snow. And dont throw his real name that wont mean shit when hes dead

She's literally been training since like episode 3....

>had a few months of ''training'' with water dancing
>''trained'' by cleaning dead people for a bit, then smacked around with a staff
>stabbed 3 times, swam in shitwater and performed parkour the next day
>suddenly expert at fighting in the dark against an assassin way further in the training who also trained in the dark
>suddenly can teleport around everywhere

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>why don't they just rule the world?
Well, for one, because they only use their abilities if they get paid. They're assassins for hire, not evil masterminds.

Aside Arya, she does whatever the fuck she wants because she's STRONG AND INDEPENDENT.

instead she gets to have her cake and eat it too

>just show a montage
Jesus fucking christ that's dumb.

>swim in shit
>get superpowers
Why does everything in GRRM literature end up coming back to shit?

>Mountain's got neck armor though.
And the Night King had body armour lol
Honestly, having a face-stealing assassin's guild exist in the first place in a universe where magic is so niche is a bit world-breaking already. The fact that nobody uses them for political assassinations is only explained by the code of the guild itself in taking assignments and such. You can tell it was an early conception of George that stuck around despite the rest of the world not really fitting it well. Same with Valyrian steel, it starts off with the destitute Mormonts having a sword of it, some random dagger being valyrian steel, etc. but then it's apparently so rare that not even the Lannisters can afford to replace the one they lost hundreds of years ago.
Then again, Jaqen wasn't particularly amazing or anything, he did end up getting caught after all. The ability to change faces is mostly the extent of the assassins' overpowered arsenal and they really aren't shown to be particularly special in any other aspect. And of course you actually have to kill someone to take their face, so it's not as dumb as straight up shapeshifting.
The best thing to do would have Arya learn a bit there, but not enough to make her stupidly overpowered, then just leave the faceless men alone and never come back to them. They're just an awkward piece of worldbuilding imo.

This is why people are going to rise up one day out of anger and just start killing people like you. You're too fucking stupid to have a discussion with and everything comes down to gender/incel. You're unreasonable.

She was literally blind for an entire time, somehow her being a good blind fighter is strange to you?

FPBP

this. Missandei straight up says in Season 7 that the original language of the Azor Ahai is genderless. it can be the prince OR princess that is promised.

Latent subcontinental genes.

being blind is standard training, the waif would also being trained in fighting blind
>she's good at fighting blind
arya literally just blocked the waifs attack once, and thats supposed to make her an advanced fighter

>gets dismantled
How?

she trained one year with Syrio and got dissarmed in season 2 by Thoros in one sweep
she trained at most 2 years in Braavos sweeping and cleaning. If in two years you can become the bestest warrior of all time when people like Jaimie and Brienne have been training their entire lives, why does anything even matter at this point? she can kill all the baddies. there is tension.

hey man that's why I'm not writing the show.

but you get what I mean right? like all good writing, showing is better than telling, and if we had seen her progressively get better in her training instead of mopping the floors all the time it would have been a much more satisfying conclusion

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What could stop Jon Snow from riding to King's Landing and killing all the bad guys? After all, he's invincible.

"No!"
Arya's superpowers did come from nothing. She was hit with a stick continuously until at one point she was able to block a hit.
One thig that needs to be reiterated over and over is that the Faceless Men are not superpowered anime terminators. For fuck's sake, this entire idea came about at literally the same time Arya leveled up to a twentieth gnome rogue. They are cultists who gain mastery of disguise magic/trickery. They can take months or even YEARS to kill a mark and they do so through subterfuge; Jaqen tells Arya as much. If they had godlike Dungeons and Dragons martial arts powers and 20 foot leaping muscles, the disguise shit would be redundant.
To be perfectly clear I personally loved Arya until she got to Braavos. What she went through felt grounded and fitting of the ASOIAF world. But for lack of a better term Arya has become, in one season, a mary sue

less than one year in season one and less than two years in season 5 and 6

>He is more man on his whiniest day than you on your best day
Did that guy touch a nerve? eh, little homo boy?

>Implying she isnt the chosen one by the lord of fire, one of many facets of the one true god
She can and she will. Quit fearing the vagina, fucking incels.

>>>/brit/

Why do people build up Syrio so much anyway? The guy is a pathetic jobber who lost to mooks because his choice of weapon and fighting style were worthless when it came to real combat.

>They're just an awkward piece of worldbuilding imo.

definitely agree. like I said earlier in this thread, it would have been a lot fucking better if Jon actually got to fight the NK but got his ass handed to him while all the White Walker lieutenants and Bran watched, until Arya jumps in with the killing blow as we saw in the episode

would have made it much more believable for her to get close to NK if he was busy fighting Jon and not just strolling up to Bran, not to mention a parallel to the Tower of Joy scene with Ned.

Yes that's enough. You're just salty because your special snowflake didn't get to kill the big bad.
Now you're trying to nitpick everything to fit your views. Fact is she trained with master swordsmen and the greatest assassins in the world for a considerable amount of time.
Not only that but she's shown to have talent. Get rekt son, you don't have a leg to stand on.

>arya literally just blocked the waifs attack once, and thats supposed to make her an advanced fighter
She also literally killed the Waif blind you know

I assume you're talking about the Battle of the Bastards? Well yes, his plot armour was dumb, but it's essentially just shown as luck, like not getting injured when two cavalry lines crash into each other on top of him. So as cheap as it is, it doesn't create the implication that he'd have the same invincible luck in every single future situation.
With Arya it's shown as 100% ability, so the implication that she could continue using those abilities to the same extent, which would allow her to easily assassinate literally anyone, is very much there.

this discussion is largely missing the point that it's not the training that is the issue. even if she had """training""" shown on screen, the ending would still be fucking retarded when you consider the context of that set up in the weirwood grove and arya's preceeding screen time. arya being miraculously good at everything combat related isn't really _that_ far fetched. i mean i particularly do not like it nor do i think they have done a good job of conveying arya's development but i can stomach it

training or not, basic storytelling elements were seriously neglected from that entire episode. if arya was actually shown at some point thinking about killing the night king, knowing anything about the current location of the night king or just moving towards his general direction, it wouldn't be nearly as egregious. she literally speaks to melisandre, disappears for a while and is then leaping from darkness. the whole thing leaves such a sour taste because it is pulled out of nowhere. it is poorly executed and it would still be shit even if you were more aware of arya's training.

>TWITTER screencap
>16 replies
>archer dp
Who gives a fuck

this desu

truth

>we see Jaquen pull it off seasons prior,
This right here is how I know the people defending this garbage didn't even watch the fucking show. At no point did Jaqen ever run at the speed of sound or pull off Assault Marine Jump Pack attacks. He used his knowledge of poisons and disguise to do exactly what an assassin with those abilities would do. When he's forced by Arya to take out a target early, he is very much against the danger it puts him in, and it almost gets him killed.

Faceless Men being jedis is COMPLETE FANFICTION

No, I was more thinking of Beyond the Wall when Jon climbed out of a frozen lake like it was nothing.
Battle of Bastards was mostly luck though, I agree.

have sex

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He literally mangled the neck of a guard with bare hands and threw him below.
He's near Mountain level of strength at least.

I'll be taking that as a "no"

This is the most valid criticism in the thread. The episode suffered from poor editing and use of time. As did the prior season.

>the whole thing leaves such a sour taste because it is pulled out of nowhere. it is poorly executed and it would still be shit even if you were more aware of arya's training.

First off, I do agree with this. Also overall thematically, it really was Jon's fight to finish, and such a big bad should not have been defeated to succinctly in the third episode of the final season.

Regardless, do you think those problems would be alleviated a bit if in the next episode we see the final moments of Ep3 from Arya's perspective? i.e. her going from Mel + Hound through Winterfell and into the Weirwood grove? like we see her wait for Jon to distract the dragon so she can slip by, etc.

I know it's PROBABLY not going to happen but I would love to see it and I personally think it would make up the real issues you bring up.

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The Tickler?
He pushes him, screaming, off a ledge and he breaks his neck on the courtyard ground. Arya looks up and sees him on the wall pretending to be uninvolved.

No bear hands were harmed in this assassination.

Not him, but perhaps you're just a moron not worth replying too, or your baiting. Either situation is a lose-lose. Obviously his point is that, as evident with most other characters (at least up to season 5) is that they all face realistic consequences as a result of their actions.

His neck is literally twisted 180 degrees, that's not a fall.

Who said Jon was the chosen one? The same bitch that was wrong about Stannis too, thats who. Arya fulfilled the prophecy, she IS the chosen one. Suck it up already.q

There are dragons and zombies in the show so necks turning 180 degrees from a fall is perfectly fine

>Regardless, do you think those problems would be alleviated a bit if in the next episode we see the final moments of Ep3 from Arya's perspective? i.e. her going from Mel + Hound through Winterfell and into the Weirwood grove? like we see her wait for Jon to distract the dragon so she can slip by, etc.

if they do that, i would probably enjoy and it would alleviate it a bit but they have the wrong format to try and pull that off. when you consider it's the last part of an episodic story, they can't do shit like that especially when you have to wait a week between episodes. if it was all available at once on netflix on something, it would probably work quite well. i don't think they are going to anything like it or really acknowledge the events leading up to her killing nk. it would be cool though

i think they have been/are trying to be too clever for their own good. i forget that the source material has ran out for the later seasons. like you said, it's been clear that jon has been on a path of growth and he has always been at the forefront of the whitewalker storyline so you'd naturally think it'd resolve with him. i think the showrunners are just indulging themselves too much rather than doing justice to the material they started with

nah nah, I ain't saying jon should have been the chosen one, I agree that Arya could easily be Azor ahai as well because the original prohecy is genderless. I don't even think Jon NEEDED to have a 1v1 with the NK. What I meant was the thing that bothered me most was that NK wasn't the final big bad of the whole season when he's such an existential, looming threat over the whole world.

I hope they use his defeat by the North as a plot point in that the people in the South laugh it off like it was nothing since they never saw it. it could be a cool storyline for southern people to be like "oh yeah an army of the dead yeah right" while everyone in the North has severe PTSD and righteous anger when they aren't believed. could lead to an even bigger divide between the 7 kingdoms and an even better reason for the North to want to be independent since they're now bonded by this battle.

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You know what the problem is? Arya is written like an anime character
>Dark, tragic past
>goes away to have meaningless training that apparently makes her super strong and fast
>Comes back and has her revenge by doing ridiculous shit like killing a bunch of guards and making them into fucking pies
>Can fight against opponents way bigger and stronger than her because shes h-hayai!
While I wouldnt mind watching boku no thrones, I wouldnt want it mixed with a show that at the very least used to try and be taken seriously.

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Just a salty shit who doesn't like the writing so he has to imagine his own shitty writing that would make him happier.
>arya too stronk pls nerf
Literal bullshit spouted in every fictional medium ever. It has no value and the only reason you say that is because you don't like it. It has nothing to do with good writing, fiction is filled to the brim with donut steel OP characters that everyone loves.

Editing was shit, composition was shit, the writing is mediocre but Arya fucking Stark being as skilled as she is, is not a problem. Muh consequences is just an excuse to shit on characters you don't like.

I would put that up to several things
-D&D not understanding a fall death, because you hear him scream and hit the ground.
-Neck snapping as an easy assassination method is a common media trope, used extensively in this show alone
-There's nothing in the books about this, because in the books Tickler is killed when Arya knifes him during some confusion

I call it as I see it. Usually in film neck snapping happens like this
>crack
>no twisting, maybe limp neck
The way I see it the mangled neck (something that is entirely deliberate in production) is something to show the monstrous strength someone was killed with.

Yup, completely agree. it's the same shit as Last Jedi a bit: trying too hard to be clever and subvert shit without a good thematic, story-based reasons to back it up. Red Wedding, Ned's death, even the Sept of Balor worked as crazy subversions to what we expected to happen because the villains took the rulebook and threw it out the window. I think you pinpointed in ur other post about why it doesn't work here as well with Arya: because it truly feels like it comes out of nowhere because she has never been involved in the storyline up until now. I'm repeating myself for the 3rd time, but I really think if she came in and rescued jon it would have been a great moment.

I think they've really been at a loss since it's went past the books. they pulled a ton of punches by not killing off greyworm and at least one of the people that were in the fireplace scene in Ep2.

But if it was an anime, arya would be a cute loli.

Arya isn't a princess though.

She's literally a princess of Winterfell.

Let me explain something to you brainlets"
This isn't accidental hack writing - this is on purpose
We are in the era of "event programming". Making a good show is worthless if it doesn't trend on twitter. Everyone needs to talk about it. The only way to do that is to constantly flip the script.

They KNOW it's anticlimactic, against character, and fundamentally retarded - that's WHY they did it, so it would set the internet on fire way more than a satisfying conclusion would have.

But again, there was a fall and a scream. Caveman twisting his neck then shoving him from the top of a castle is ridiculous overkill. I do not put it past the thought process in this scene to simply be
>okay he got pushed out a window and died, Arya finds his body
>just his body? Can't we make it more gruesome to show he's REALLY dead? The tickler was an asshole.
>Yeah okay, have his head twisted around, it's more shocking

The scream was from a bystander. Not sure what you're trying to say.
Besides falling from a small height like that isn't really a guaranteed kill.

I get you are letting people know what the show intended, but what the show intended is fucking retarded. How could anyone with the smallest amount of knowledge about the language NOT know the language is genderless? You would get to the part were two Princes fucked and had children and hopefully a red flag or two would be raised, right? It is not possible for such a stupid mistake to happen.

>The whole fight scene between Brienne and Arya ... why was Brienne parrying? Needle is a purely thrusting weapon. The moment Arya swings, take the blow on your armor and destroy her. Granted it was a sparring match, but the point of sparring is to get better. Arya needs to learn that she cannot go face-to-face with a knight in armor and beat them at their game.

>The scream was from a bystander. Not sure what you're trying to say.
No, it was from the diddler. The sound was literally him, dying.

>training
>She IS the chosen one.
By HBO, not the storyline. She had no combate training except for stick fights with little girl and river dancing.

She learned the lesson about armor from the hound and then the writers ignored this and made a big hole she couldn't even see in the NK armor, a big fucking plot armor hole. She also had super strength and could push 3 wildling zombies with a stick into each other, ignore dragon glass is suppose to make them collapse.

>Let me explain something to you brainlets"
>This isn't accidental hack writing - this is on purpose
No moron. Tanking the show at the end means years of memorabilia wont be sold and the new spin-offs will be assumed as a given let down.

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Wrong.
It was a woman screaming. I'll assume you're baiting if you continue to push it.

Brienne swining to crack Arya's skull open, blocked by coat hanger wire

it's genuinely similar to how WWE writes their wrestling storylines. long-term storytelling is thrown out the window for the sake of thrilling "moments" that will get people talking for a month.

Compare that with true kino like Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, etc. which people talk about for years.

also i just wanna say y'all are a bunch of dumbies for arguing about one tiny moment in this whole fucking series that's very inconsequential to the big argument of this thread

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have sex

You're saying that if you gave a regular old 10 year old a few sword fighting lessons then realistically they can fight the mountain? Fuck OFF roastie

but she didn't fight the mountain nor realistically can she bruh

she got mad lucky with NK because he wasn't expecting that shit but Mountain isn't going to explode into ice in one hit from valyrian steel,.

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should've been ripped to shreds by just a single wight

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Arya was the best part of episode 3. Prove me wrong, you can't.

I would've been fine with this

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>kill everyone
>there's nobody else to continue the series
good job

oh shit you got us there

suck my big cock Benioff

Tell em Cletus. Way to go

I know.

yeah then maybe dont write a script that has them on the edge of death only to be saved in the last second 9 fucking times per character

It would have made so much more sense for Arya to be completely estranged from her family on return. And not only that, estranged from humanity, causing us to wonder, is she still interested in revenge or is she on a mission? If she had a lot of difficulty relating with her family we could even wonder if maybe the waif, not arya left that dark cellar.

But no, everybody loves her, she is just arya stark and she can do no wrong.

it's just bantz basedfaggot. Don't get so fucking triggered.

she cant do that because she's not a warrior on the battle field, she's an assassin who sneaks around to kill her targets.

in the library area with the wights she snuck around , not fighting them off; it's not her strength.

no, no one has a problem with arya 'suddenly' since she's been sneaking around killing people for a few seasons now. she got revenge for rob stark and she help set up little finger.

the problem is, some of you lifeless faggots literally live through tv and find fault that your boyfriend jon snow didnt save the day like he does in your dreams.

who gives a fuck anyway? the story progresses forward, toward the iron throne where the story was always meant to go - nk was a distraction

>she cant do that because she's not a warrior on the battle field
>in the library area with the wights she snuck around , not fighting them off; it's not her strength.
>literally minutes later show her beating a dozen walkers by herself
really makes you think

>haters

hello neogaf

Hey, if Jon just ran into the Godswood and cut the Night King's head off with Longclaw, I'd have thought it was just as gay and boring. But nice try you fucking nigger shill.

I suppose it would have been okay to have Sam leap through the air like an invisible super ninja as well since he too received training under his service in the nights watch.

>Sam tucks his arms and legs in and rolls like a bowling ball through the walkers surrounding the wierwood tree with his huge mass and momentum throwing the walkers aside like pins. He unrolls and jumps on top of the Night King pinning him down and killing him accidentally with a shard of dragon glass that was stuck to his coat.
Makes as much sense as the goblin teleporting desu.

Of course it does. Just because we weren't shown Sam being able to do this doesn't mean that he can't! He trained really hard okay

She trained with the best assassins in the series bro.