Which do you prefer? Who has better motivations? Who is more handsome?

No it’s not

Anakin and Anakin.

IF you were to contemplate the reasons for Ben SOLO's(odd that they give him his father illegitimate last name instead of his mothers maiden name)actions, would you completely disregard the FACT that Vader(his supposed inspiration for literally NO reason) redeemed himself or accept that "The Saga Is Complete" via 2005 makes the Sequel Trilogy based on absolutley nonsensical ideals.

emo + shit parents + dark force shenanigans + uncle/teacher literally tried to kill him

stream it or you're lying.

Kylo Ren has absolutely no character arc, goals, or personal traits, Anakin does in spades. It's not even close.

Anakin was more emo than Kylo

Kylo has a motivation. He wants to rule the Galaxy.

Runs in the family.

Also happened to Anakin once. Well, maybe it wasn't the top jedi, but deffinately the most handsome and charismatic one.

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Does he though? Because it really doesn't seem like it except during the one moment where he says so. It rings utterly hollow because at no point does he behave like this is his greatest ambition and motivation in life. It seems to me killing Luke Skywalker is really all he ever wanted.

I prefer Kylo as a character. I think he has stronger writing. I think both have believable motivations, but Kylo's biggest issue is how incoherent and poorly planned his backstory is. Everything about Luke's failure and Snoke's influence is a mess. You could argue there's a similar issue with Anakin in the prequels, but even if the overall story could have been tightened up and delivered in a far better way the overall gist of a sclerotic Jedi Order occupied with war plays pretty well to stimulating Anakin's insecurities and baggage. I think there's a sturdier premise there than "Luke got arrogant because he saw all the Star Wars merchandise at SDCC and also Snoke appeared from somewhere."

That's fine for the Emperor 45 years ago, but after all the Star wars media I expect more from a bad guy.

I think they're both poorly written but Adam Driver is a good actor unlike Hayden Christensen and is able to salvage it.

this doesn't explain shit

That was after Anakin had already betrayed the Jedi and joined the dark side.

Luke tried to murder Kylo simply because he “FELT” Kylo might join the dark side.

>Which do you prefer?
Anakin
>Who has better motivations?
He had legit reasons to feel like Obi-Wan and the Council were holding him back and he had Sidious wispering in his ear since he was a child. Kylo Ren's motivations change with every movie.
>Who is more handsome?
Hayden, duh. Adam Driver is some ugly jew mutt but he is a better actor than Hayden.

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>I think Kylo has stronger writing and believable motivations

I think you have brain damage. He has none of that.

While Anakin's arc was very clear, it was handled in such a shitty, convoluted and retarded way I prefer the emotional child Kylo over him.

>Jedi tries murder you
>So you join the enemy of the Jedi

Is that too hard for you to follow sweetie?

I felt like Kylo was basically Anakin but better written. They're both manchildren but Kylo did a better job of coming off as genuinely unhinged while Anakin always just seemed pouty and entitled due to his deliveries.

Sure he does. He resents the influence and legacy of his family and wants to make a name for himself that still plays it into a sense of pride -- hence why he's so willing to believe he's the second-coming of Darth Vader, and why he's willing to adopt Darth Vader's legacy instead of Anakin Skywalker's. Anxiety of influence plus stock family resentment.

>Kylo
>Better written
>TFA
>help me grandpa
>TLJ
>FUCK THE PAST LMAO

Kylo was already falling to the dark side before that. And what about his Vader fanboyism when Vader killed Sidious and returned to the light?

you're retarded lol

TFA
>I WILL FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED GRANDPA
TLJ
>FUCK THE PAST, FUCK THE SITH, FUCK THE JEDI AND FUCK THIS HELMET
TRoS
>ACTUALLY I'LL WEAR THE HELMET AGAIN AND I'LL RULE AND EVIL SPACE EMPIRE LIKE GRANDPA WANTED TO

>tried to kill him

If Luke tried, Kylo would be dead. Turning on his lightsaber is not a murder attempt

Kylo is written like shit, he doesn’t even have a consistent motivation. You have to deal with that.

Literally no arguments actually presented. How seething are you right now zoomerbab?

>Kylo was already falling to the dark side before that

Luke blatantly admitted he might not have were he a better teacher and didn’t literally try to murder him.

Both are poorly written, but at least i understand why Anakin turned to the darkside and his motivations

Yes it is bitch

Kylo's motivations make complete sense. He's a "break the wheel" character. He thought his grandfather was close to doing this (finish what you started) but was stopped by the same people who isolated and ignored him (The OT crew) because, in his view, he felt that they cares more about thieving, politics, and the Jedi Order more than their own flesh and blood.

He originally thinks Snoke will help him achieve the power he needs to "break the wheel" of the back and forth power grabbing between the Jedi/Sith and Republic/Empire, but his character develops in the TLJ where he realizes Snoke is holding him back as well, and decides to try and fix everything with Rey as his partner.

i dont think you understand these movies, they might be a bit too highbrow for you, sweetie

what does he want, though? In TFA it was some kind of vague sense of wanting to prove himself to the spirit of Darth Vader which is dumb but at least something. And then he kills his father because... he wants to be edgy?
>Kylo's biggest issue is how incoherent and poorly planned his backstory is
it's not just his backstory though, so much about the character's writing is inconsistent.

>help I need to be spoonfed
Kylo's motivations are inconsistent and the reasons for those changes are not explained. This makes him a shit character in spite of Adam Driver's performance.

There was still ZERO reason for him to kill the Younglings.

Stop pretending like Anakin was ever a decent character just because you hate nu-wars even more.

>And then he kills his father because... he wants to be edgy?
Basically? I wouldn't say it contradicts his character. Though indeed they seem to not be sure what they want to do with him or anyone. That is not exactly a problem of his character concept though.

Anakin also had zero reasons to kill the other Jedi at the temple according to you.

No, Kylo has far worse writing, he just has a slightly better actor portraying it so it has the illusion of being elevated. But the material is absolutely and entirely inferior and he is an inferior character in every way.

He was a major retard who was really gullible and emotionally unstable and had anger issues. He is basically a child in an adult's body.

The Youngling are still Jedi. If he didn't kill them they would eventually seek revenge on palpatine.

>kill younglings for no reason
I addressed this when I said he was poorly written. His motivations for turning to the darkside and betraying the jedi to palpatine still make sense.

And why exactly should Anakin give a single fuck about what happens to Palpatine?

Does that really matter? What matters is how Kylo perceived it. The difference in how both of them remember the event makes that obvious.

It's a simple and dumb reason but Kylo is a simple and dumb guy. Feels more human than Anakin in any case.

>so much about the character's writing is inconsistent.
I'm not sure that's true, though. In TFA he's playing dress-up because he wants to inhabit a different personality. He's insecure, he resents his family and feels the pressure of their accomplishments, and wants an identity of his own. At the same time, he can't help but gravitate toward Vader's example because it's easy and because it's the one side of his family that probably wasn't celebrated at Thanksgiving. It's why he goes along with Snoke in writing off Anakin's redemption as an aberration. Kylo just wants an identity. He wants a place in the world that's his, even if it means murdering people and remaking the world to fit him instead of reshaping himself to suit the world. It's why he kills Han despite it wrecking havoc on him emotionally; he hopes killing off his family will provide the resolution and clarity he needs. He kills Snoke for the exact same reason, and it's why he so keen to "let the past die."

The sequels are shitty and unnecessary, and even Kylo gets the short end of the stick sometimes thanks to how much of his presence in TLJ revolves around the irritating blandness that is Rey, but I don't think Kylo has been inconsistent at all. The biggest issue with his character is his backstory with Snoke and Anakin not making any fucking sense.

What the fuck? He literally pledges his loyalty to palpatine 10 mins before the youngling scene. Are you pretending to be this dumb or what?

Because he's his master who's gonna teach him the secret powers of the sith to help him save his family. Did you even watch the movie?

Because he wants Palpatine to teach him how to keep Padme from dying. Did you watch the movie?

Hence why he shouldn’t care if the younglings grow up to get revenge on Palpatine AFTER he’s already taught all that shit to Anakin.

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Running away from home because your guardian tried to kill you is not dumb or simple regardless of whether you were mistaken or not. Moreover that "turning on your lightsaber is not a murder attempt" meme is full of shit.

Adam Driver's performance is embarrassingly flat and poor, Hayden Christensen actually threw himself into the role of Anakin and let the raw emotion of the character lead the performance.

This. I didn't get the hate for his acting until it became a big meme to hate on the prequels. It was shakespearian. To this day, maybe it's nostalgia but I never got goosebumps more than when he delivered his speech to Obi Wan with that epic John Williams score playing.

youtube.com/watch?v=J8QLKWvVK14

I just couldnt get over the weird looks of Kylo Ren for the whole movie. I could do nothing but stare at his face.

You realize killing the younglings this demeans his redemption arc in the OG series, right?

>hurr I have no problem killing innocent children for Palpatine but I’ll kill him later simply because Luke made a sad face

And how does he know palpatine will have taught him everything he needs to know before these jedi children theorectically attempt to assasinate his master? Stop being dumb.

>problem killing innocent children

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Kylo is a far better character, he's the only reason I watch these NuStar Wars movies. Anakin is more handsome however.

It’s called bartering. Palpatine needed Anakin just as much as Anakin needed him, he could just refuse to kill the children but agree to kill the adult Jedi.

Anakin is a far better character. Handsomeness has nothing to do with it. Actual compelling character arc means he automatically wins.

The only thing compelling about his arc was knowing he becomes Vader. Without the original trilogy, absolutely nobody would be defending Anakin over Kylo.

>innocent children

Indoctrinated servants of the corrupted and broken Jedi industrial complex. Those children would eventually either fall to the dark side themselves as so many before them had, become jaded and poisoned masters on the council like Mace Windu, Yoda, and Ki Adi Mundi, or needless casualties in a war likely started by the Republic against systems who dare to exercise independent growth.

>be a slave until you're 9
>be separated from your mother and indoctrinated by emotionless, celibate monks
>jedi treat you like shit because you're different (joined too late) and masters don't trust you (as seen in episode 1 where they judge him like a piece of meat)
>be told to suppress all your emotions
>be groomed by the greatest manipulator in the galaxy, and he's your only non-jedi friend and the only one that's not stupidly hard on you all the time for your humanly mistakes
>be given a god complex because you're told you're literally the chosen one and soon to be most powerful person of all time
>have nightmares about your mother suffering and dying, but be told by jedi to ignore it
>finally get the chance to see your mom
>she was tortured and raped and dies in your arms
>have to fight on the front lines of a galactic war for 3 years
>have premonitions about your wife dying the same way the ones about your mom came true
>freak out
>jedi still don't trust you, ask you to spy on your best non-jedi friend
>put you on council but don't promote you to master, even though you're top 5 strongest jedi in the galaxy, making you seem like a joke
>still turn in sith lord who promised to save your wife because of your loyalty to the jedi
>jedi don't trust you again and don't take you to arrest the most powerful villain in the galaxy
>go to help anyway and see jedi, who was a dick to you your whole life, about to break his own rules and murder a prisoner, fucking hypocrites
>see last chance to save your beloved wife, freak out in a split second decision and cut douchebag jedi's hand off
>now feel like you've fucked up so hard you have no choice but join the dark side, hey at least you can save your wife

that's bullshit because his arc becomes clear as day from AotC and they actually follow through with it unlike nuWars.

The Jedi betrayed Anakin. They denied him everything he wanted, and then expected him to break the code he was sacrificing so much for. Anakin was just a tool to the Jedi, and he finally saw it and left.

See I can relate to him up until that part where he fucking murders children

Zoomers are the ones who watch Nu Wars, faggot. The PT is boomer kino.

Anakin
Anakin
Anakin

The fact the reylo is STILL a possibilty despite all the crap kylo put rey through means anakin wins by default

From his point of view, it was the only way to save Padme.

He should have refused to save Padme then if that was the only way. Or at the very least get pissed off at Palpatine for failing to save his waifu after he did exactly what he told him too.

They never treated Anakin with respect or like a person, they treated him like they were afraid of him and were arrogantly trying to use his power for themselves. He went from being a slave to Watto to being a slave to the Jedi. All he wanted was to feel like he was welcome and had a say, but from the moment he meets the Jedi council they basically talk bad about him to his face and push him away. Not even Yoda is a very nice person in the prequels and Mace Windu is arguably already on the dark side. The Jedi were the ones out of balance with the universe, not the Sith until Palpatine started blowing up planets.

He was still pissed tho. He actually wanted to overthrow him for the longest time, Luke just gave him a lucky opportunity.

It shows his desperation and resignment to Palpatine's service. And there was no other way forward. If he refused Sheev would have killed him on the spot and then ended Padme for fun. He's clearly conflicted over it as ho goes to do it, while he does it, and afterwards his actions bring him to tears. But at that point the only way forward for him in his mind was through the dark side, and that's what he was told he needed to do.

Palpatine told him he killed Padme in anger, and it's very possible Anakin indeed did use the force to keep himself alive at the expense of Padme.

Are you fucking retarded? Did you miss AotC and the subplot about his mother? Anakin is deathly afraid of losing people he loves. Jesus fucking Christ.

t. brainlet

The dark side is unnatural and had to be destroyed to restore balance as per Lucas himself.

Some people say that it was Sheev who did that, seeing as in his story Plaeguis "could save others but not himself". Then again, if you cut someone's head while they're sleeping I don't think that person can do much to save themselves.

Dead wrong, fucking retard. Balance is balance as per the literal definition. Both light and dark in equal measure.

Lucas never once said that, he actually specified the opposite multiple times.

Kylo is horribly written but Driver is such a good actor it makes you think hes a good character

Anakin wins even with Hayden's eh actor, which is mostly George's fault

Kylo. Both.

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>Driver is a good actor

Terrible meme

The dark side of the force represents inbalance, inbalance is chaos and suffering in Star Wars. There's no reason to belive that the existance of a dark side is necessary. The jedi are peacekeepers and negotiators that work to keep peace in the republic, not bringers of rightfull justice or divine punishment.

millenial fags like the guy on the left. zoomerfags like the guy o the right. the only guy i like, as a genXer is luke. fuck you assholes and your fake copycat generation of souless movies .

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Based

PT are anything but copycat.

It's not so much the Dark Side that's the cancer as it is the people that use it. "The Dark Side" is just a reality of life: it's the baser emotions and selfishness and temptations that everyone deals with.
No. Balance was about destroying the Sith. Of course, as per above, as long as there are people there will always be the possibility of evil dickheads, but that's an argument as to why the prophecy was a stupid story decision to begin with, it doesn't change what Lucas intended.

None. I hate both.

*force-chokes you*
Retard, Luke didn’t try to kill Kylo. Kylo made it look worse than it was in his force vision to trick Rey! :P

Anakin was a child slave and his mother was tortured and killed by sandniggers. Crylo had loving parents and he was flirting with the dark side just because, without a reason, even before Luke "saw" the darkness in him. Stop defending shitty writting, ALL characters in the sequels are fucking trash and have no real motivations, including Crylo. Fuck the sequels and fuck you.

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This is what you get when you fuck up someone's childhood.

They're literally laying out the school shooter mentality without realizing it.

>If your life Anakin surpasses Luke as Skywalker Supreme... all thanks to Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams

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Except the majority of people with far worse childhoods than school shooters never kill other people. Shitty childhood is never an excuse to hurt innocents. Han would only deserve death if he was seriously abusing or diddling Kylo, same for Luke. Got any proof for that brainlet? I don't think so. Kylo behaves like a sociopath and should neck himself.

Kylo still doesn't have motivations. Anakin's are dumb, but they exist.

Anakin is focused on his goals to the point of obsession. It's what makes him so powerful as Vader.
Kylo has too much doubt in him. Anakin is just better and resonates more with me because of his obsessive nature.

Left is a real character in a real series

Right is from shitty fan fiction films

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The jedi were nothing but kind and respectful to Anakin. They rightly denied him master status because he was an arrogant shit not fully in control of his emotion in spite of his great power. They were right because even before turning, he resorts to his anger to power him up when in danger.

Name one (1) six-film story of the rise, fall, and redemption of a character that is better.

...

It doesn't. You telling me Vader hasn't killed kids before? He and the Empire blew up an entire planet like it was nothin

It's true and you know it. Anakin didn't have the emotional maturity to be a Jedi Master.
Obi-Wan did and that's the whole reason he was able to defeat and cripple him despite being far far weaker than him.

Are millennials the new boomer?

"do not hesitate, show no mercy"

>Who is more handsome?
Do you even have to ask?

Kylo. Who the fuck would choose anakin?

This

The Dark Side corrupts, and we already know that the Force 'partially controls your actions', in addition to Revenge of the Sith being a pretty accurate if simple study of evil- it becomes easier to commit despicable acts once you cross a certain line.

That's the real skill of the prequels. They managed to walk the tightrope of making its protagonist sympathetic and tragic despite him essentially being a mass murderer.

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