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>twitter

hes right tho

Yo rian
i made a i hate women version

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Reminder this faggot also said Kylos scar wasn't moved. So his autism isn't relevant and shouldn't be taken seriously.

The terms comes from criticizing shitty writers that rose with the era of online fanfiction

based

fuck off shill

>sexist
Why are woman so subhuman? They literally freak out if you criticize fictional women holy fuck.

Should Gary Stu be killed off too? How is his a fucking Jewtown director and doesn't know common writing terms like these?

So like Rey

He's right and you are all incel faggots who post about game of thrones and marvel CONSTANTLY

you have no taste

more importantly every other character fawns over them instantly, which finn/leia do for rey for no reason

>Rey is a Mary Sue
nice meme nigger
fun fact: this user was part of the 2016 invasion and when they kill themselves it'll be really fucking cool.

shuddup rian

A Mary Sue is a female character that is perfect meaning:
They can solve any situation
They always win any win often in ways that break logic itself
Not a single character doesnt lick their pussy

it's not fair

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shut up rian

imagine trying to argue that Rey isn't a Mary Sue
what a punishing task

Rey is a Mary Sue. This is not up for debate.

i do not have twitter, I don't not want twitter, if I had it the only person I'd follow is Kanye on the brief periods of time he is there because it looks like everyone on it is insufferable.

Rian Johnson as a filmmaker I'm indifferent towards, I liked Looper and have not seen TLJ but christ his twitter seems repugnant. It hurts me seeing twitter as the de-facto pseudo-serious social media when it seems far more restrictive on communication than any other.

For as awful as Yea Forums claims to be no one pretends to be holier than thou, the only thing that matters here is getting a reaction or a conversation, not being liked or ''correct''.

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How is she not?
When has she shown vulnerability or a limit to her abilities?

fucking faggot

Shut the fuck up and look in the fucking mirror this is the most plebshit fucking board possible. Nobody here besides maybe less than 10 anons have any fucking taste. Fucking kill yourself immediately.

What the fuck man, Eragon is not a Sue.

Imagine being know as the guy that made a worse Star Wars movie than most of the prequels. His words have no value to them.

So wait, when does Rey fail something when trying? Or when does she meet somebody who doesn't love her? Because from what I recall of the Star Wars movies she pretty much wins all the time and can be seen as a love interest or protege for almost everybody who meets her.

To add to this, when has anyone she encountered not taken a liking to her?

No she isn't
You know who are mary sues though, the fucking avengers
DUDE IMMA INVENT TIME TRAVEL IN FIFTEEN SECONDS OF SCREENTIME

Males are literally fucking assholes when it comes to their movie taste

Most people.

Rey and every marvel super hero is a Mary sue I agree.

The Last Jedi is better than almost every single Starshit movie and ever single Marvelflick.
Stop being so NPC and have sex.

shut up, small titties

What movie is he directing next?

>woman in the 70s makes star trek fanfic making fun of mary sues and invents the term
>this is now sexist
what happened in 50 years?

Yes they are both Mary Sues. This because the company who owns both properties does not have any good writers. Get dabbed on.

>bad faith use
What does this even mean? Why do people talk so stupidly these days?

Pencil dick capeshitter

>NPC virtue signaling #794738

>the n word
>the m word
Fuck the alphabet

nope. Rey is a girl. If Rey was a sexy boy character all you faggots would be complaining that she was a wimp that spent most of TFA refusing to even accept the call to adventure. Wow he managed to not die in the end. Spent the whole movie running like a pussy.
>When has she shown vulnerability
constantly. way more than any of the other protagonists. Rey is the only protagonist in their first movie that is really conflicted at all about the call to action.
>or a limit to her abilities?
she's a pretty shitty swordfighter in TFA. If Kylo wanted to kill her he could have at any time.
>fucking faggot
you're going to die a virgin LMAO. Keep projecting your homosexuality nigger that'll fix you.

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elephant foot ogre

shut up rian

>be insecure incel retard
>see woman do something
>get obsessively triggered
>cry about it on Yea Forums for weeks
best/worst board

lol you fat bitch

enjoy your 600lb fabulous life

NuWars is basically fan fiction

>NOW THE VIRGIN IS PROJECTING HIS OBESITY
how fucking fat are you LMAO.

Go watch more marvel and game of thrones you fucking NPC
Yet it's still better directed than every shitflick in the marvel franchise

Rey fits at least 5 out 6 given criteria, lmao.

>han and chewie have their ship for years
>it won't start
>this bitch who has been on it for five minutes fixes it for them
>instantly learns jedi mind trick with no training
she's a definite mary sue

its canon tho

Lmfao

Lol

>fat woman
your opinions literally dont matter. If anyone wanted to fuck you, they would roll you in flour and look for the wet spot

no star wars is better than even the worst Marvel, Thor 2. i'd rather watch guardians of the galaxy over empire strikes back, and i fucking hate guardians of the galaxy

you need ADD to enjoy nu-wars, tlj was offensively stupid and fast

She's a fucking incarnation of the force like anakin you dipshit.

>The Big Lethorski

t. Seething roastie.

You have the most shitty taste possible. Even the worst star wars movie is 100s of times better than the best marvel trash heap

You legit have zero film taste

Who the fuck do you think you are? The marvl franchise has shit directing. Even Rian Johnson is a god compared to it.

Can you name Arya Stark's flaws?

Arya is GRRM's wife's self-insert

inb4 this thread triggers our resident incel autist and he starts spamming "all women are whores" frogposts

you're talking to a 160 lb man kiddo. I get that you feel a reflexive need to flee to the boogiewomyn that live in your head R E N T F R E E but you're clearly the fattest faggot ITT.

Prove me wrong. Post pics of tits fatty.

Point to one moment in the movie that says something remotely close to that.
Do it.

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You must be 18 or older to post on this board
Nuke this hellhole already

>if I attach a label of it being a form of bigotry then I can make it go away

When will the manipulative left ever stop their bullshit?

Kill yourself cuck shill

Literal kike lmao

>im a skinny boy, not a fatty youre a fatty
Only a fat woman would think of such a lame post.
I hope you get raped so you go catatonic and shut the fuck up for once

This is why the SW franchise is in the toilet: the people responsible for it are too busy attacking the audience as bigots instead of owning up to the fact that they made a shitty movie.

Hey retard why do you think Palpatine is back he cheated death and created life again in Rey
Learn to fucking pottery

look at all these S E E T H I N G permavirgins LMAO

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incels cannot refute this lmao

If Rey was a boy people would call him over-powered and still rip into him; the only difference is feminist bitches like you would allow it

G I V E B I R T H

They haven't made any shitty movies compared to the actual trash movies Marvel has been making for a long time now.

Even Solo and rogue one are better than marvelshit and i hate those.

now look the fatty is making fun of people that aren't fat!

I LOVE BEING RIGHT LMAOOOOOOOO

POST

PICS

OF

TITS

FATTY

I repeat:
Point to one moment in the movie that says something remotely close to that.
Do it.

I don't care about your fan fiction. I want JJ and Rian's fan fiction.

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Imagine if your mom was reading the things you post user...

Hey bing bing wahhoooer, they haven't said it yet because the trilogy isn't over and you don't tell the audience that Leia and Luke are brother and sister in a new hope or empire strikes back

Learn to fucking use your pea brain. It's heavily implied in the themes.

He's as good a debater as he is a writer

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Yes, call them mean names instead of actually addressing the argument. Totally doesn't make you look like your point has the stability of a two legged chair

>i-im not fat your fat
it's painfully obvious

she cant, she's catatonic

there is no argument. only memes.

>Examples of Sue: Bella (twilight)., Eragon
Neither of these are Sues, Jesus Chrit. Why is this so fucking hard?

Eragon gets his back cut from shoulder to waist by a fucking magical great sword and spends the rest of his book with a giant ugly aching scar on his back. That book is not good save for being scalie bait because Saphira is bae, but the MC is not a fucking sue. He gets bested and shit talked by so many people.

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>Heavily implied
>Use Luke and Leia being siblings as an example
>Something not written until ROTJ as a way of closing off plot threads meant to tease a second trilogy

Do I need to repeat myself a third time?

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I cant have sex, Im married

It's easy as fuck not to be fat. Just stop eating so much tubby.

Go swim

Go watch marvel where everything is explained to you verbatim and time travel is solved in fifteen seconds, apparently star wars is too smart for you to handle

>Not now that the term "Mary Sue" came from a fanfic character of the same name, and assumed it was a sexist slur
>wants to be considered an actual director
good christ m8

He's either trolling or just another virtue-signaling idiot that's throwing the truth under the bus in order to get accolades. Fuck them. Of course Rey is a Mary Sue, in fact, she is THE greastest Mary Sue of them all. She literally is WISER than Luke AND Yoda, if you pay attention, and with almost no training she appears stronger than even Palpatine, so expect her to cock-punch him while saying something contemporary while breaking the fourth wall.

and what is good taste, user?

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Even Max Landis has a bigger brain than the average Yea Forums capeshitting incel

Here's your mary sue argument blown to bits

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>she doesnt exercise
Sad!

This is a correct assessment.

Ah, I see. Carry on my fellow feminist. Tell those incels whats what.

There you go, go watch some animeshit too you pleb.
Recognizing that marvel and game of thrones are not anything of quality and not posting about them 95% of the time for years on this shit board

That's what good taste is called

>you don't tell the audience that Leia and Luke are brother and sister in a new hope or empire strikes back
You make them kiss instead, making the retcon all the more glaring, out of place and unnecessary. You glorify your boomer films, most of which were planned as they went along, too much.

Wait a minute, everyone dies

They are sues retard (I know you are retarded because you read Eragon)

ugly lol

>2who
>anime

man I'm not even that guy but I know you're a faggot.

yep

lol why are you here if you think this board is shit?

have sex

Rey is/does:
>Instantly trusted/liked by everbody, never gets scolded or is guilty of anything
>Has little to no character flaws, and the ones she has are insignificant
>Highly skilled at a wide range of skills wich are never explained, or simply learns them impossibly fast (looking at you jedi mindtrick).
>Never lost or made a mistake (remember that one time she rips off a single electronic component off a massive ship and fixed a problem with the hyperspace drive?)
>Men around her want to romance her instantly, they will break character for her.
>Introduced in a previously existing universe as an extrmely powerfull character, even surpassing the power of the most powerfull characters before her.
This are some of the defining traits of a Mary Sue that were established over 40 years ago BY A WOMAN.

>2who
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb fucking zoomer shit anything 2D is cuck tier shit

Stop posting you are clearly way to fucking sad of a person for anyone to care about your film taste if you think I give a shit about 2D being called properly what it really is

To tell you all that you're fucking plebs with the same taste and same fucking train of thought as every shithead faggot on youtube twitter and reddit

Theres no fucking difference. Look at the catolog it's fucking SHIT

Sad this even needs to be pointed out. Mary Sue has a very particular meaning, but it's used and abused so often now to be interchangeable with "character I don't like" and/or simply bad character writing. Words and concepts have meanings for a reason. The term abuse is literally no different than the left calling everything and everybody a racist, so much so that it loses the gravity and impact of its meaning entirely.

This is no different and it really is just tiresome. Idiots learning a new word and then spamming it in all their arguments because they think it's giving them intellectual high ground or a valid point. Just learn the fucking meanings of terms and know when to apply them correctly, JFC.

Exactly my thoughts. Who cares about the nomenclature. Let’s just talk about horrible character development right out of the gate.

>jon seeing everyone dies
>music gets louder
>he's rushing with motivation
kino

Rian Johnson is so happy he's been given another opportunity to display his wokeness in the public spotlight

>old as shit weeb shit
>zoomer

I think you just outted yourself as a lil baby zoomie. You wanna play fornite lil baby zoomie? watch some ninja twitch extreme dance prank compliation? who's a good lil baby zoomie? You are.

No they don't, fag. Chicks pretend to be oppressed for attention, orbiters pretend to be concerned for a shot at a crumb of pussy. Both do it for the sweet shot of dopamine delivered by righteous indignation.

>contradiction
>name calling
>an argument

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>You outed yourself as a zoomer
I'm older than most people here and i dont watch fucking cartoons, you fucking faggot

This is a shit board where you're now defending cuckime and marvel

>Hates anime
>Comes to the website founded as a place to talk about anime

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Lose weight, roastie.

>smug anime girl
>fallacy fallacy
>an argument
You are very dumb user and you appear to be insecure about this.

Rey and the rest are just shallow characters and also stronk females which triggers the /pol/ incel almonds, but these type of people do need a buzzword to attach their hatred to, and Mary Sue just happened to be the one they jumped on.

Actual Mary Sues are actually very rare and exist mostly in fanfiction because the character is so shoddily written that nothing with an actual Sue in it would ever become popular. The only example of a normal fiction Sue that comes to my mind is the main character from Mass Effect Andromeda, and that shit almost crashed the whole IP. Although not only becasue of that.

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>this place has always been shit
>continually defend shit cucktoons
It's funny how you think you have taste or are correct. Every single thing I say is correct. This place is shit because you are all pleb shits with the mind of vidya fags

>4CHANNEL
>made to talk about anime
lol weebs are so dumb

Be honest. Did you get bored that I didn't respond to your bait so you pretend-responded to it yourself?

lol

Correct.

>use incel buzzwords
>get called an incel
who would have ever thought

And being an incarnation of the force gives her years of mechanical knowledge about spaceships?

Go play fortnite and stop talking about the medium of cinema. Even the hobbit movies have better moments of directing and cinema than the marvelcraps

Powerful..
Yass..
Slay..

Rey is the most blatant mary sue archetype since the trope was coined. Literally the only thing that can even be argued about her being one is that she's TECHNICALLY not a fanfiction character, but even then nuwars is literally just a bunch of new people writing into a universe someone else has created.

>chinless manlet engages in endless twatter arguments about the term “Mary Sue”
if you’re not viscerally repulsed by his existence, you’re part of the problem

Do you not realize the only spaceship in question you're talking about was in the junk yard she was at the entire time "this ship hasn't flown in years" clearly she was on the ship and around it

Being a moisture farmer like Luke gives you mechanical knowledge to pilot an X wing which is a different craft than you've ever piloted before?

No one likes the sequels lmao

>Gets called on his fallacious post
>calls me insecure
Nice self projection.
I'm not that faggot.

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Is that why The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi were the highest grossing films of their year?

The last jedi will be talked about in ten years more than every single marvel forgetable shitfest

Thats how precious your capeshit franchise is

That's why they are good lmoa
Nobody likes anything good when it comes to popular opinion
Go play fortnite and watch some epic game of thrones

Go watch some epic fat ugly Asians kek

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Yeah, i'm thinkin' it's kino.

Literally every single Avengers grossed higher than Last Jedi.

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I'd rather watche her unironically than men in bright tights running around CGI nonsense wipping their arms with no stakes.

At least Rose is grounded. Go watch your shitty fag Russo brothers latest abortion. Go pay to see the next 200 capeshits because they are all fucking life changing.

Even snoke a shitty wannabe emperor is a better villian than Thanos.

Send this to Rian, this has the potential to end up being on articles claiming sexism

So? Do you think Avatar is good because it grossed more than everything?

Latinos and shitskins love Marvel, marvel is shit. It's very simple if you have a brain.

They pump out so many marvel movies they are all forgettable in a months time. Remember Captain Marvel, remember Black Panther? Wow such groundbreaking films that are trash

rian please stop letting your wife use your twatter account
she's making you look like an idiot

nah, rey is marry sue. the only time she ever "failed" was getting captured but both times she just surrendered herself to kylo and then escaped by herself 15 minutes later. there are no hurtles or challenges for her to overcome she just breezes pass every obstacle why every other new and old charcter gives her applause while saying"that girl's got guts" and "how can she do that, she is incredible"
>mostly in fanfiction because the character is so shoddily written that nothing with an actual Sue in it would ever become popular.
not if you attach the the most popular and lucrative movie franchise in the world.

You were the one that brought up gross as a barometer of quality, rattlebrain.

>Endgame at over $1.4 billion not even counting Tuesday
Jesus Christ it's actually going to pass Avatar

No I didn't bring up gross. I stated that they were the highest grossing in their year. I didn't actually talk about dude this movie grossed X amount more than this movie. I simply said Episode VII and Episode VIII were #1 of their years. Just like Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back were.

How does it feel that one minutes worth of cinema in TLJ has better direction than everything in Avengers Endshit

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user, you cannot defend that opinion. You can believe it, in an echo chamber (it's easy to believe anything in an echo chamber) but you cannot defend it.

can drive ship -> scavenger, natural, force
can bypass tech -.> scavenger, knows (even talks about) who installed that tech
force shit -> strong force intuition, always worked that way for SW main characters
people like her -> because she's under the wing of an already known and liked character, same as Luke with Obi Wan
never struggles -> literally proven wrong by her introduction, her whole life was scrounging and living from day to day

What do you REALLY have on her?

>there are actually droves of marveldrones who think their franchise is even decent
Lmfao truly this board is fucked beyond belief. Holy shit

Wait until Avatar 2, user.

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How does it feel that Rian Johnson can direct better than every single director in the marvel franchise?

That's how fucking bad Marvel is, they aren't worth a single shit.

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>Literally discussing Star Wars
>M-marveldrones
Actually obsessed

>she’s not a Mary Sue so I’ll give you actual reasons why she is a Mary Sue!
Genius.

Maybe if the marveldrones didn't overrate their movies as much as possible and actually say that the worst marvel movie is better than empire strikes back you would have an argument

but you don't, you're actually defending such garbage

You are a Mary Sue, user. You shitpost so well it's unrealistic.

>N-no, you..!
Cringe.

I think what you wanted to say is "oh shit sorry I fucked up".

It's rooted in Deviantart fanfiction dipshit.

No reread my comment, you pleb

Rian seething

He actually seems like he browses Yea Forums occasionally just to refuel his anger. What kind of director is this angry and savvy to juvenile terminology?

Kind of seems like he has a small penis.

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Stupid comparison. Much more realistic since all great minds who did anything at all, every single invention, all civilizations, everything that has advanced our life in the slightest was made from men. It would be completely absurd if it showed a woman making time travel work, but it wasn't so much in this superhero movie for men to do it.

There's little more that can be said after we established that a character who was introduced as X is good at doing X because that's almost every character in fiction.

Such a level of denial means you have a vested interest in hating the character for reasons not related to the bullshit reasons you use for argument. If you catch my meaning.

You can waste other people's time with that.

Based retard, it was the most cringe fucking part of the movie possibly. Especially since they talk about time travel being hard and tony flips a graph on a hologram and BAM discovered quantum time travel because we need to wrap this shit movie up

>Palpatine is about to win
>dramatic music swells
>Rey appears behind him
>hit in the balls
>*record scratch*
>everyone says "OOOOOOOOOH" in unison
>all the guys cross their legs in sympathy pain
>Chewie puts paws over eyes and whimpers
>Rose quips "THAT'S GOTTA HURT"
>close up on Palpatine's face with him cross eyed
>he says in a silly high pitched voice while looking in the camera
>"Wowie zowie! Riiiiiiiiight in my Death Stars!"
>Cut to JJ Abrams sitting drinking a coffee
>"Nuff said!"
>credits

>every single invention, all civilizations, everything that has advanced our life in the slightest was made from men
kek why are some men so insecure they have to say outrageous bullshit like this?

What's your point? Because men are biologically smarter than women it would be even more retarded if it showed Black Widow or Captain Marvel doing it. They spent too much time on exposition and explaining the time travel anyways, nobody really cares.

now compare Lukes character arc for the original and Rey.
Refuted. Lmao.

So you don't have any evidence to disprove what I was saying, right just as expected. You just believe what sounds right instead of just accepting we are different and making best of it.

Like he'll get paid direct anything ever again.

What the fuck is your point you dumb nigger? It was a three hour movie and they devoted 15 fucking seconds to discovering actual time travel. KYS

mother nature, father culture

Nice try, shill.
She’s good at
>scavenging
>climbing
>fighting
>flying
>repairing
>swimming (lmao)
She also learns on a fly how to
>use the force
>fight with a lightsaber
>shoot from a blaster
And
>knows several languages including fucking Wookiee

How many wemen has he molested for him to need to feel like he has to virtue signal this hard.

That was too much time, because nobody really cares. It's made up bullshit. Nobody cared about the science in Spiderman 2 either.

Luke was blocking projectiles within hours of learning about the force, lightsabers and his supposed prowess for the Force. While blindfolded.

Nigger, the internet is at your disposal. Google search list of scientific inventions by women and go knock yourself out.

>prequels have hundreds of female jedi with zero complaints
it must be the incels fault!

Right thats why half the movie was pointless filler. They had too much other shit to do.
LMFAO

Holy fuck, you are SEETHING my boy

>"this ship hasn't flown in years" clearly she was on the ship and around it
I've seen a car in my neighborhood for years doesn't mean I've been in it

>can drive ship -> scavenger, natural, force
Bull fucking shit, that doesn't even beggin to explain how she outmanouvered a Tie Fighter with the most akward ship in the entire Star Wars franchise.
>can bypass tech -.> scavenger, knows (even talks about) who installed that tech
It's a ship that hasn't been used in years and she fixed the most crucial part of it (wich the previous owner couldn't) by ripping off a single circuit board.
>force shit -> strong force intuition, always worked that way for SW main characters
Those skills have to be developed you mongrel, Anakin was the most force sensitive being in the galaxy and he didn't show a single jedi skill besides the sense test, Rey uses a jedi mind trick even thought she didn't belive in the force 2 days ago
>people like her -> because she's under the wing of an already known and liked character, same as Luke with Obi Wan
That's nonsense, Obi and Luke were established at the same time, and Luke grew onto the public because he had ambitions and dreams. And then he became a hero by rising up to an action call. Rey just saw herself dragged by the plot.
>never struggles -> literally proven wrong by her introduction, her whole life was scrounging and living from day to day
But she'd doing mostly fine apart from the despotic bread seller, after that, she beats 2 thugs in a 2 vs 1, she flies a ship for the first time, the millenium falcon, like a pro and outmatches a trained pilot with a much nimbler ship, saves Han and Fin by "accidentally releasing a Deus Ex Machina, then fixes the hyperspace drive by tearing off a random electronic, then kills 2 troopers with perfect acuracy the first time she ever shoots a blaster, then performs a jedi mind trick literally hours after she learns about the force and then she wins against Kylo Ren, who is a jedi knight, a jedi killer, a highly trained swordfighter and who showcased one of the most potent uses of the force, THE FIRST TIME SHE EVER USES A LIGHTSABER.

She clearly had been inside it, dumby

She's introduced climbing inside a destroyed star destroyer, with zipwire equipment and shit. That's the kind of work she was doing. She had to defend herself from an early age. The scavenger planet had lots of different species. so fightin,g acrobatics, and language pretty much comes with the package yes.

At best you hate it because your stupid friends hate it and you're prone to mob mentality. At best.

When was it said/implied? Also how will she know how to pilot in the first place? She was an orphan

Learn to count. I don't care if a woman invented a life hacked maxipad or a cute Iphone case.

Did you ever think of comparing those things to what men did before you tried to make the point that women have advanced society as much as men? Guess not.

You’re literally arguing that Rey is not a Mary Sue because there are explanations for why she is a Mary Sue.

So you wanted more pointless filler?

She grew up working at that junkyard and was running to a ship that was working because she knew of it and then that ship got blown up. So she said the garbage will have to do. It was something she was probably fixing up for years along with that fat fucking alien dude

It was a fucking training droid moron, of course he managed to block a projectile from it, it's not like he was blocking real shots from stormtroopers or fighting a fucking Dark Jedi like Rey did.

Jerk! Post spoilers first! Fuck...well anyway, how did you get a hold of a copy?!

>when was it ever implied the scrap scavenger went inside the ships?

Sure it does. Luke fires shit into a hole using the force, it's the literal plot GOAL of the movie, that he can do that shit just because Force Intuition is a free skill you get on your first level up. This is the type of protagonist SW rolls with. It doesn't have to be developed at all. Developing it hones it and makes it more consistent but they always pull out of their asses shit even without that.

Your argument literally hinges on you choosing to remember this differently.

No I wanted them to cut an hour of the movie and maybe at 5 minutes of them actually discovering time travel. Boom. 2 hour 10 min movie thats much better.

You're the reason cinema is dead. You like halmark channel drama mixed with CGI puke and no stakes or pacing involved.

Luke pilots a skyhopper, it's parked behind him and he even plays with a little one cus he loves it so much. It's in the same scene as "help me obiwan". Biggs also piloted one with him on tatooine which is why he backs him up in the rebel base saying he's an amazing pilot.

>She grew up working at that junkyard
She grew up a scavenger. Don't know how Scavenger=Pilot or Mechanic also you said Probably fixing up for years, which doesn't hold weight.
Why would she scavenge a ship in someones shipyard? Scavenging is broken ships y'know?

bleakkino

BULLSHIT

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Why else would she know "this ship hasn't flown in years"
Why else would she have been running to a proper ship before it got blown up
Why else would she have said "the garbage will do" if she didn't know about the ship

>of course he managed to block a projectile from it
Are you fucking serious? Are you seriously implying anyone in the SW universe can deflect projectiles Jedi-style just because they have a (VERY CONVENIENTLY PLACED BY THE WAY) training droid on their ships? That deflecting blasts while BLINDFOLDED with a weapon Luke didn't even know existed that morning isn't Gary Stu as fuck?

You fags are unbelievable.

Well he's right. Or else I would hear people actually using the term Gary Stu when talking about Marvelshit or Ryan Gosling movies where he does absolute nothing, no emoting, but is the hero.

Saw the ship was in the junkyard for years.
Only other Ship
Only viable option

Nigger her first scene is literally her tomb raider parkouring her way through a crashed Star Destroyer looking for good parts. It's actually a scene literally in the first trailer. You have to be a good mechanic to know what part is what.

This is an uphill battle.

Unless you think time travel is actually possible, this is a horrible idea. They never explained how a man can channel lightning, or how these stones can cause people to turn to dust.

How can you not see the fucking difference between a droid meant for training that still manages to zap hip a few times and actually fighting another fucking Force user in a duel the first time you hold a lightsaber?
The fact that they literally say it's a training droid means he's not a Gary Stu, because HE'S FUCKING TRAINING.

You Reytards are unbelievably dumb as fuck.

>this is a horrible idea to devote time on film in a three hour movie to the entire point of your movie
You're a fucking shitskin.

I know nothing about cars but I bet I can scavenge the good parts of cars just by looking at it hell I could probably scavenge the important parts of a plane just by visually scanning a wreckage

>That deflecting blasts while BLINDFOLDED with a weapon Luke didn't even know existed that morning isn't Gary Stu as fuck?
Fuck off, nigger. The movies have established that force sensitive can display certain force skills like force precognition (which Anakin also did showcase), but things like telekinesis and mind tricks have to be learned and trained If one is to utilize it properly. Luke could barely lift his lightsaber in ESB you dumb kike.

Based Jim gonna finna boutta dab on these poor fucks.

> I can fix an engine and identify its parts
>that means I’m now able to compete in Formula One

How could he possibly develop Jedi skills in the span of a few hours, to the point where deflecting blasts while blindfolded (a thing the Jedi had to learn since childhood, mind you) into "shoot the space station with a single shot if you believe really hard"? Luke shot rats with a shitty pop rifle. How can you defend this trite?

If you want to watch a movie about how time travel works go watch a documentary about it on History Channel after they show proof aliens created the pyramids.

You are refusing to address that Rey didn't start out being a bad at fighting, and that Kylo was shot by a fucking wookie bolt caster. That shit literally sends people flying. You are always refusing to address these two facts because if you didn't then you wouldn't have an argument. You don't have an argument. You are wrong. The end.

He had Ben as a force ghost guiding him? also He is the chosen one so him being adept with the force is reasonable

Yea Forums will defend this

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Bets belong to the casino.

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He's already established as the son of a powerful Jedi, and still gets zapped by it a few times.
He also needs Han to save him from being shot down by Vader before he can even aim at the port. The whole point of the battle is that he isn't a Gary Stu, he needs fucking help from Han to survive.

Blow your brains out Reytard shitter, keep watching your crap trilogy instead of trying to ruin the actual good films too.

>he still doesn't get it
>an entire 3 hour movie devoted to ass pulling time travel
>three fucking hours
>even have the characters say time travel is difficult
>even have the characters say "you're really using back to the future as a reference to save the universe"
>heh proceed to double down on your bullshit
>discover it in fifteen fucking seconds
Embarrassing

>Jedis have an ability that quite literally could be called "good at anything when the plot demands it"
And this faggot bitches about Mary Sues.

No one wants a shitty casino scene Rian.

Force ghost Ben is Empire, faggot.

Anakin had a midi count much higher than Yoda.
So does Rey.

He still fucking fails and gets zapped by it to show he's not good at anything whenever he wants. How small is your shitty brain?

>he's the Gary Stu so it's fine
No self-awareness at all. Unbelievable.

The casino scene was unironically better shot and edited than Endgame

He literally tells Luke in his X-wing while on his run to use the force you nigger faggot. Do you just go to star wars threads defending Rey while not watching the original?

You’re a faggot, Jedi have made an entire test to determine whether or not the person is a force sensitive by testing his perception and precognition in TPM. Better watch the movies next time.

No argument at all. Very believable from the Reytard.

He only trusts the force to make the shot and that's it.It's a callback to the training with the orb that shoots him, of not trusting his eyes (or in this case the computer). That's a very minuscule trick used as grand finale, while Rey forcepulls her entire ass through the last 20 minutes of the movie with skill fairly superior to the single act Luke showcases.
Your entire argument hinges on a single nitpick of the only use of the force does in the entire first movie, wich is related to trusting the force. Also you're still not disproving any of the other points that prove Rey is a Mary Sue.

Do you realize time travel is not real? That any explanation would be bullshit? It doesn't matter how they got it to work, they did. The entire point I made to begin with is that it would be absurd for the women to make time travel work, since A) it's not even possible and B) virtually everything we know was discovered by men because of our innate superior intellect.

Of course he gets zapped, the fucker didn't even know about lightsabers up until that day. My point is he shouldn't even deflect a single shot, let alone blindfolded. At least Rey gets knocked down by Kylo once or twice in the forest.

There's an explanation why Luke is adept at the force but even then he was still pretty shit without training and as I've said during the Death Star run he was guided by Ben.

When you saw Iron Man 2 did you let it ruin the whole movie when Stark made a new element just from sliding some hologram images around with his finger?

Reminder Rian actually turned Rey into a non mary sue by crushing her hopes that her parents were somebody. And he had her get tricked, btfo by Kylo and betrayed.

>shooting an entire space station down with a single shot, training based on shooting at rats on his moisture farm
>little minuscule trick
This thread, man.

We never should have stopped locking up the mentally ill.

You said he should be good at anything, so why didn't he block all the shots? He's established to be the son of a powerful Jedi, so why is it so hard he blocked one shot luckily? Oh boohoo she gets knocked then, THEN FUCKING OVERPOWERS HIM AND SCARS HIM. The equivalent of that would be Luke blocking every shot then slicing the training droid in half.

Your brain is fucking rotten from watching the shitty sequel trilogy, kill yourself.

this must have taken some skill, nice job

That's what I'm saying that fucking scene in Iron Man 2 actually was at least a scene showing him doing something. Avengers Engdame didn't even have a scene like that it had him looking at a fucking graph and flipping it.

>muh Mary Sue you guize!

>during the Death Star run he was guided by Ben.
"dude trust me just close your eyes lmao"

Rey was guided by the Force. There's your shitty Mary Sue argument derailed by your own coping headcanon.

>160lb
>man

Pick one.

>Rey was guided by the Force.
Which novel was that explained in?

It really is tho. The skill itself wasn't a highly intense force trick like mind tricks, it was just using the force to sense where to shoot which was shown with the blaster training and also Ben is guiding him through the force
Can't even make a proper argument I see.

Rey's the most Mary Sue character in a long time.

i remember when people used to shit on Luke for being so weak and needing 2 movies of getting his ass kicked and relying on friends all the time.
now apparently he's gary stew. interesting

Which subreddit did you copy-paste this from?

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Radioactivity was discovered by madame curie
I didn't want an explaination I wanted five minutes of them doing WORK devoted to time travel and not just quipping and figuring it out in fifteen seconds.

They didn't even try and you fags eat it up. Embarrassing and you try to insult Rey having no training.

>You said he should be good at anything
I literally said the opposite, ESL-kun. It's bad enough that he's the son of the BESTEST AND MOST POWERFULEST SITH LORD EVAR, he deflects shit blindfolded and destroys a space station days, sometimes hours after learning of his heritage.

>Luke was blocking projectiles within hours of learning about the force,

Classic woman style of lying.

He blocked a projectile, not projectiles. One projectile, from a training machine, and it's not clear if it was a fluke or him actually using the force as a savant to do it. It's very sly foreshadowing. He wasn't suddenly capable of deflecting projectiles with a lightsaber.

>muh EU
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please don't tell me you've been getting your """"""'lore""""""' from non-canon shit, user. That's adorable.

I didn't even see the part with the graph. Must have been when I had to go piss. But didn't take anything away from the story for me.

No, it also hinges on the situations they get into and how much Force they're exposed to. Luke never fights Force users in SW1. In the short span of her story Rey is paralyzed in her tracks then forcibly has her mind searched, then has to escape in order to survive and therefore experiments with shit she knows and has experienced the Force to do (mind tricking the guard). The first time Luke gets into a situation like that at the start of Empire, where he has to pull force shit out of his ass to survive, he force pull the lightsaber despite never seeing anyone do telekinesis with the Force. He literally establishes that power in the "canon" unless you count Vader's force choke.

You arguing with things you *remember* about Star Wars.

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>Rey was guided by the Force.
Is this ever explained? Luke trains a few years under Yoda, and Anakin received the usual padawan training including some additional ""chosen one" training. Why is Rey better than both of them despite only learning about the force like a month ago in the story?

Film is a visual medium you plot tier babby

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>>shooting an entire space station down with a single shot, training based on shooting at rats on his moisture farm

Dishonest cunt. It's established that the station has a weak spot and that they are exploiting it. Ben Kenobi is guiding Luke when he uses his force intuition to guide the shot.

>he deflects shit blindfolded and destroys a space station days, sometimes hours after learning of his heritage.
>sometimes
Are you retarded?

>He blocked a projectile, not projectiles
With a weapon he'd never held. Or even knew he existed. After failing maybe once or twice before Obi-Wan tells him "dude trust the force lmao" and then he blocks at least two with a Jedi move.

Watch the fucking film, zoomer. It's 70s schlock all the way through.

Well it took me out of the movie and made me look around at all the braindead audience members like what the fuck are we really doing here

>Rey was guided by the Force. There's your shitty Mary Sue argument derailed by your own coping headcanon.

She doesn't even know about the force.

Just so you know, being unable to differentiate people is a sign of autism.

He did it in a single shot because the death star had a mayor design flaw that was exposed by spies, the force guided him to make the shot. Anyone else could have done it barren the fact that the entire fucking space station was fighting back and that only a small ship could fit into the trench, wich was massively protected by turrets and a fleet, Vader included. He needed help to get there, saw his friends die, and got saved by Han Solo, and then, the force guided him to aim the shot. Nothing else.

>experiments with shit she knows and has experienced the Force to do
No she doesn't. She even tells Han if those stories were true meaning she doesn't know anything.

>crushing her hopes that her parent were somebody
that whole issue was resolved in TFA. Rian just brought it up again for no reason.

>the station has a weak spot that only an experienced veteran fighter could reach or even attempt to shoot
>SO IT'S THE SON OF THE BESTEST SITH LORD TO SHOOT IT DOWN THANKS TO THE POWER OF LOVE
lmao

Can you retards even read? You're agreeing with me. That guy said Rey was guided by the Force in TFA which is how she beat Ben. There's nothing on screen showing that, so I'm asking which novel he read it in.

>he deflects shit blindfolded and destroys a space station days, sometimes hours after learning of his heritage.
He received years of personal training under one of the most well-known, powerful jedi. That isn't "some hours"

I can tell people by their voices or their lower half of their faces or even their body language.
Cope more

Doesn't kid Anakil pull way worse Force luck shit in the pod-racing anyway?

And "Chosen One" actually establishes a character as a Mary Sue, by the by.

Luke didn't even know about the Force that morning. Anakin developed certain skills without even knowing about his midichlorians.

But you're confusing someone as someone else despite having an easy to link chain showing who you're talking to. I'm willing to believe what you've shown over what you claim.

>There's nothing on screen showing that,
Did you miss this entire slowmo segment of her channeling the force?

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Please save us George

That was pretty kino desu.

There's nothing Rey got anything from the Force on screen. Luke had Ben telling him in words to use it. Rey just closes her eyes and it could be interpreted as her using her inner strength or focusing really hard but there's nothing implying the Force was there helping her.

Imagine if Luke didn't hear Ben and just focused his eyes really hard and shot the torpedoes by himself. That's what Rey did in TFA and so there's nothing showing the Force was there helping her.

>With a weapon he'd never held.

He held it before, on Tatooine. He did the training on the Falcon in transit.

>After failing maybe once or twice before Obi-Wan tells him "dude trust the force lmao" and then he blocks at least two with a Jedi move.

He has great potential and is intuitive with the Force. He isn't suddenly a great lightsaber fighter. It sets up his connection to the force so that Ben Kenobi can guide him later when he shoots the missile.

>Watch the fucking film, zoomer. It's 70s schlock all the way through.

Yeah, it was made to be the "greatest movie a kid has ever seen." Yet it's still much more sensible than GoT.

Retarded whore

I know, it was
TLJ was more kino overall though
JJ bringing back Palpy now

>of her channeling the force
Nice headcanon. Which novel explained that to you, because it wasn't shown on-screen that it was the Force.

Again, Imagine if Luke didn't hear Ben and just focused his eyes really hard and shot the torpedoes by himself. That's what Rey did in TFA and so there's nothing showing the Force was there helping her. You would be calling him a Gary Stu.

>Doesn't kid Anakil pull way worse Force luck shit in the pod-racing anyway?
No? I'm unaware of kid Anakin doing anything as severe as forcing a fascist guard to not only free him, but give him a weapon as well.
>And "Chosen One" actually establishes a character as a Mary Sue, by the by.
You're aware you're agreeing with me that Rey is a Mary Sue then, right? She's more powerful than Anakin despite all the bullshit favoritism and training he received.

>Luke didn't even know about the Force that morning. Anakin developed certain skills without even knowing about his midichlorians.

He had an instructor right there helping him, explaining it to him. He has an intuitive feeling for the Force, which allowed him to make a hail mary throw right at the end.

Wew, I guess the term "bad film" should be executed too since it exposes your film too, right Riiian?

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>h-he held it before
ONCE. To try it out.

>h-he's intuitive with the force
So is Rey. What's your point?

>he isn't great with the lightsaber
He's as good as a younling in training, who most likely spent their entire childhoods training for this shit. I'm just following your precious Lucas's canon, by the way.

Why you gotta lie just to make a point? It looks bad and is dishonest

If you aren't a sexist and a racist then you're a fucking retard.

Gary Stu is a dumb term stupid people came up with because they couldn't handle the idea that 'Mary Sue' is a word for both male and female characters

Obi-Wan giving him lazy advice on the MF doesn't mean Anakin wasn't building pods out of scraps when he was 8 years old. If it wasn't the Force, it was Anakin being another blatant Gary Stu.

You're acting as if the lightsaber is some intricate piece of machinery when in fact is just a laser sword. Also Luke is intuitive with the force because its been hammered he comes from a line of powerful force users/is the chosen one. Rey is a literal nobody why is she so competent with it? Just Because makes her a mary sue bro

>its NOT canon tho
FTFY

If you have to keep going WELL ACTUALLY IT MEANS then the word lost its original meaning.

In current year +4 speaking the truth is a revolutionary act. Your precious niggers didn't invent shit either, btw.

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>retard walks into an anonymous conversation and starts replying
>btw ur dumb cuz I’m a different person lol

>Nice headcanon. Which novel explained that to you, because it wasn't shown on-screen that it was the Force.
Alright dude film isn't the medium for you, you're legit a fucking idiot if you need to be told what something visual is. That's 100% clearly her channeling the force.

Maybe i need to spell it out for you
Kylo "You need a teacher, someone to show you the ways of the force"
Rey "The force..?"
>proceeds to channel the force for 10 seconds of slowmotion
>heavy breathing
>eyes closed
>red blue and purlple flashing

>You're acting as if the lightsaber is some intricate piece of machinery
Well I sure as fuck wouldn't be able to deflect a bullet with a sword just because I know it's a long piece of steel with a soft end to grab on.

>midichlorians
Are you prequel kids even aware that your shit ruined Vader? Bringing balance to the force and Anakin being a chosen one are entirely prequel ideas. It was never a thing in the originals. Vader was a cool villain and it was assumed that he was so good at the force because he was a jedi knight, not because he was a chosen one. Dark side people don't even have light sabers in the original, and they're not called sith. The Emperor called the lightsaber a "jedi weapon" and the reason why Vader had one is because he was a jedi knight who turned. He also wasn't called Palpatine, that name was added later in some text databook or novelization.

There's so much lore you take for granted that isn't granted at all.

It's why you don't get why people say the new trilogy is closer to the originals than all that stupid midichlorian bullshit. One day just watch the originals while erasing everything from your mind that you know about Star Wars. Al names, relationships, lore, everything. Virgin viewing. Do it.

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Who is? Rian? Because no he isn’t.

>No, it also hinges on the situations they get into and how much Force they're exposed to
Source? That's not how the force works in any of the movies. If that was the case then Anakin in clones should have been fucking invincible, because for years he had been exposed to the force, and faced a lord sith in the flesh, but I clearly remember the chosen one here gets his hand cut because he was rash and wasn't READY to defeat a sith lord, even after an entire decade of jedi training and having gone on a lot of missions. Also the first time Luke does a simple force pull he already has lived with the force for 3 YEARS. Rey does it, and beats Kylo at it, with less than a half hour.

You're fighting with a sexist MRA who never even saw the movies and gets all their information from "skeptic" youtubers like Sargon and Rags. Don't even bother dude he's too retarded to deal with.

>Well I sure as fuck wouldn't be able to deflect a bullet with a sword just
Yeah and Luke wasn't able to do it in his first try to. Also Ben already pointed out it's possible, if in the real world someone told me it was possible to do it wouldn't you strive to do it?

MaRey Sue?

youtube.com/watch?v=5z5F28hLhus

The list goes
ESB>ANH>ROTJ>TFA>ROTS>TPM>AOTC>TLJ>clone wars movie>holiday special

Rey is not established as a chosen one. you mayt think of her that way becasue she's strong and she's the main character but Anakin is literally verbally acknowledged as a "chosen one." The council discusses it and the prophecy.

He still hasn't given an argument. He just spouted a buzzword and a profanity as a way to try and discredit the term.

Watching lefties get triggered by one of the most milquetoast lefties on the internet is so entertaining.

>Luke wasn't able to do it on the first try
Nah, just the third. After Ben tells him to trust himself.

>thing is popular
>it must be bad
>wow I am so unique to not like popular thing
>also obscure thing is good because it’s obscure

What's wrong with that? That training is meant for children and Luke is already said to be from a line of strong Jedi. It's not like Rey performing mind tricks on the first try.

>8 year old winning what is essentially a death race, while driving a piece of shit pod built from scraps he built HIMSELF
>y-yeah nah, mind tricking the guy into walking out the call is worse

Please, tell me a character flaw of Rey. Tell me a specific weakness or serious obstacle she overcame from hard training and trial and failure

>doesn't have an argument against female accomplishments in science so he posts one about the niggers he also hates
Not sure what to do with you other than send you back to /pol/.

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>the emperor is an evil wizard
>vader is a fallen paladin
Damn star wars really was way cooler as a simple space fantasy story

>What's wrong with that?
You just implied he didn't do it at the first try. That is his first try, his first training session. He's deflecting blasts by the end of it simply because Obi-Wan reminded him of the Force. That's Mary Sue as fuck, son.

People who are fans of two of the shittiest film trilogies of all time are now arguing over which one is less shit.

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>first film in the series establishes certain rules about the force
>MARY SUE LMAO
Kys.

Wrong, Mary Sues wouldn't even be having training sessions. Learn what the fucking word means retard.

First training session =/= first try. Definition of Mary Sue is already being hyper competent, he wasn't.

>>>/leftypol/

Vader was the most popular Star Wars character, so Lucas went full pandering mode and made Vader THE CHOSEN ONE that the universe and story revolves around. But if you actually watch the prequels Anakin does very little of actual consequence. The only thing is killing Windu, and that's a tossup since Palpatine was over-acting so hard.

I also want to have sex with that rabbit.