While it was cringey and could've been done literally anyone else in an infinite amount of better ways, it is still forgivable compared to the more egregious problem created, in that the major conflict has been ended too soon. As many people have already pointed out, this was the main course, what we've had built up for 8 years and seasons from the first first scene of the series. And now, in one battle with very little actual losses, it's over.
We lost a few characters, we lost (part of) the Wall, and Winterfell (and the north) is damaged. That is all the White Walkers and Night King, after THOUSANDS of years of preparing, have accomplished. Even Bloodraven's death meant nothing since he was immediately replaced by Bran, and NK utterly failed to kill Bran later. This apocalyptic and mysterious threat that has been time and time again hyped up to be devastating to the world, when unleashed, just goes out with a whimper when their big battle finally comes. It's really pathetic too when you consider just how little the heroes lost.
And now we go back to squabbling over a chair. Because, you know, who cares about the fact that Cersei has already been portrayed as foolish for staying behind during the "great war". Now she gets rewarded for it and upgraded to main villain, because apparently there's better stakes there than in the literal battle for ice and fire that ties into the direct theme of the show and books.
Who honestly cares anymore? Cersei isn't awful but it's just Cersei on her own pretty much, Euron is a disgrace in comparison to his book counterpart and has done nothing of note in the show at all other than fuel Cersei's plotline. They rushed out the big main conflict too soon and now we're left with the lamer, far less important one. How the fuck is that supposed to be exciting?
I’m ok with Arya dealing the killing blow. everything else surrounding it pretty much caused the entire series to collapse. Unless Bran is taken over by the mark on his arm or turns out to be something completely different from what he’s tried to portray himself as, then everything was a waste of time with the North. Nobody likes Cersei. even Jaime hates her now. She’s not as compelling as some think to the overall story, especially after the NK is removed so easily. Cersei went hand in hand with the NK. Without him, what is her story telling us that is new at this point?
Nathaniel Sanchez
they wrote themselves into a whole by making him go there and not kings landing
Landon Phillips
Yeah.
It makes no sense for him to be in a hurry to kill Bran, there's no real purpose to it other than the writing demands for it. He could've easily swung by the Citadel and wiped it out first, or he could've gone to King's Landing to do some dirty work there for his army, all the while his army is fucking shit up at Winterfell.
David Anderson
Cersei won't be the big bad either. Jamie will kill her and the final battle of the series will still be a song of ice and fire.
Jon VS Danny. The series is building to a tragic Romeo and Juliet ending. How can retards not see that?
NK and Cersei existing at once was actually interesting and could’ve given her proof of perspective that the throne and power aren’t everything, but now we’ll never get to see her shit her pants at the sight of him. Instead we get to see her be cockier and more uninteresting than ever due to being rewarded for staying in KL while the main conflict was stupidly and abruptly stomped out in Winterfell. What a joke.
Jayden Perez
They aren’t going to do that lol.
Also Jon is both Ice and Fire
Angel Gray
This is just contrived drama then, she clearly still has feelings for him and saved him twice last episode even with his claim. Even GRRM already laid the framework that Dany would gladly give her crown to someone she loves, if only he could protect her afterward. It’s the whole thing about Daario.
Nolan Walker
Jaime won’t kill her, it’ll be Arya or Sansa. It’s known now that the writers want to subvert expectations for the sake of it. They’ll make Jaime’s character arc just as meaningless as Jon and Bran’s. Him killing her would be satisfying because it’s peotic justice, there’s so much history between them, Jaime would be redeemed, but we can’t have any of this happening
Sebastian Gonzalez
Letting your main conflict in a medieval political thriller be an ice zombie apocalypse is retarded enough as it is.
Charles Hall
cersei and arya are more interesting than the night king and bran/jon because they're women. for once we get cool female characters in a show, stop complaining you've had a 100000 billion other shows to enjoy
John Thompson
this is my main gripe she was acting completely smug all season brushing off the NK and the last episode basically proved she was right to be with him getting killed so easily
Thomas Watson
Hound vs Mountain will result in another deus ex machina goblin teleportation moment to save Sandor just in time
Screencap this
Gavin Jackson
mountain will kill hound
arya will kill mountain
Mason Turner
>Star Wars The Phantom Menace Anakin, a kid, goes into the droid control ship, destroys it with an easy cheap shot, and the entire mindless battle droid army is defeated.
>Game of Thrones Arya, also a kid, kills the Night King with an easy cheap shot, and his entire mindless zombie army is defeated.
Hilariously pathetic. GoTards have been eating shit this whole time.
Alexander Murphy
Honestly that’s also partially my nitpick with Arya killing the NK. She was such a cocky little shit about killing him, then she does it easily. Meanwhile Jon, Dany, Bran all acted like they were shitting their pants after their experiences with him, but they did very little. The NK is nothing now.
Isaac Nguyen
>How the fuck is that supposed to be exciting? have sex you fucking virgin incel, that's how you think we care about all this lore and geekdom? not motherfucker, we want a sassy queen and a bit of fun action when me and my mates gather around on weekends during watchparties we eat some food, drink a bit and when the show is over we go to our bedrooms fucking our girls after seeing a good action flick geek incel virgins get depressed because their lore geekdom has been killed by a chad writer with a hot wife LOL LOSER INCEL VIRGIN HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH OH NONONONOONON OH NONON OH OH O H OH ONONAFA FAD FD FSM GERGIWNEGNGEG EG
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Cooper Young
Op absolutely nailed it
GoTards are seething
William Sanchez
>last episode >Jon sits on the thrown >camera does a traveling span from KL to Winterfell >Bran sits in the godswood warging into trees in shit >jolts awake >“oh no” >camera spans beyond the wall >the NIGHTS QUEEN marches south with mass legions of undead >she rides a massive ice spider >yfw the Night’s King was just her pawn to test southerners grit >screen goes black
Gavin Martinez
What's the chance they'll go for the Lich King treatment and go with "There must always be a Night King" making Bran go up north and become the new NK? Or will they completly drop the subject all together making the White Walkers threat a complete meme?
Matthew Torres
>>screen goes black >it comes back again >*sucking noises* >we see wrinkled soles below a firm round ass >it's a naked women >*camera moves upwards* >it's your mother sucking off your father while you watch and cry and beg daddy to stop
Josiah Hughes
>books are called A Song of Ice and Fire >series is called Game of Thrones >the showrunners change the focus from Ice vs Fire to who sits on the throne woah... it's like poetry
Gavin Stewart
>books will never ever be finished >bookfags will never get the true ending
Jonathan Gomez
this upvoted
Gavin Baker
What are the chances that some of this stuff is what George planned?
Andrew Taylor
zero
Nicholas Gutierrez
I would say it’s nothing like the books at this point. Maybe there’s like super light hints about some plot points but D&D said they prioritize shock value. They don’t care about the actual story and characters so much as what they think is rad.
Blake Davis
sure D&D changed a lot of stuff. But we now they have the notes from GRRM Stannis dying at winterfell for example will also be a thing in the books.
Angel Cooper
Arya killing the night king was confirmed by George apparently
Gabriel Martin
The Night King doesn't even exist in the books so that's already one problem. Another is the way WWs are handled in the books is somewhat different than in the show and its implied that they aren't just mindless killing machines, so it ending in a peace treaty would be entirely possible given that GRRM is all about anti-war. However, there's not a chance in hell that it ends before they deal with any other major conflict. In the books, the battle of ice and fire will be the last massive war/conflict they have. They may have some fallout stuff afterward or unrelated conflicts after, not too unlike what happened with Saruman at the end of the Return of the King book, but it won't be like the GoT show where we get screwed out of our major conflict and main villain in favor of the lesser one.
Jack Anderson
there's no night king in the books
there's a night's king, but that's a historical figure and he hasn't at all come into play in the books yet and would've if he was intended to be some major villain
the others aren't supposed to have a leader in the books, it was a decision made specifically for the show to give them a main face to go by and recognize. in the books, they're more of a collective
Jeremiah Young
It’s basically fanfiction so zero
William Gray
I'm Still Holding Out for a Bran twist, like he was up to some crazy shit while that was going on. Like the three-eyed Raven was using him he'll make his own a attempt for the throne something
I expect something was fishy with him last episode as well. I genuinely want to believe they weren't so stupid they just forgot about him in their writing when he was doing his warging stuff. Surely he had to be doing something of worth.
Even then, what will his role be now? The war with the white walkers is over.
Elijah Lopez
>expecting anything but utter shite from D&D i'm sorry user
Kevin Jenkins
M-maybe they'll do ultimate subversion of expectations and write something good..
Landon Lopez
I could easily see daenerys go crazy when lannisters kill greyworm and other major characters and she wanting to burn the defeated lannisters and jon not wanting it.
John Jackson
my own fanfiction rate
3: Good guys fight at winterfell. They actually use their brains and fight undead pretty well until they just get overrun. Chaos in castle. Brienne, Jamie, Pod, Theon, Sansa, Viseryon, Tyrion, Sam, die. All hopes seems lost until John fights a WW and undead army all dies. Turns out NK was not even at the battle, doesnt give a fuck about Bran. Final shot of dragon approaching red keep and winter coming to westeros. 4: survivors lick their wounds. dragons still alive and they keep the convince the remaining lords that this shit is real and march south gathering what troops they can. KL is fucking freezed by the Nk and the rest of the undead. Every seven kingdoms has troops close around KLbecause they werent just going to let Cersei rule because thats fucking retarded. When KL is freezed, they meet up to join John as they realize that oh shit winter is here. 5: battle at harrenhall. all of humanity is there. avengers shit, vale, radmure, ironborn, sand people. dragons die. dany dies. john ptwp kills nk, humanity saved. 6: picking up the peaces and iron throne is destroyed, each rules their own little rump kindom.
David Perry
>shut many eyes >brown >green >...blue
bros, she had shut a plot important set of blue eyes already. pic related. I never thought I would seethe, but the way that went down... I guess I will die on this hill
they ruined the white walkers and killed them off prematurely while giving them no backstory solely just so they do it all in the shitty prequel
Wyatt Hall
I swear to god that it is better than capeshitters with their mongoloid time travel shittery.
Nicholas Taylor
This, they are prepping her for villainization already, and emelia Clark had a breakdown when she read her script
Noah Bell
game of thrones has time travel too now though
Carson Scott
>Anakin destroys single control ship Good job! Just 2 000 of them remaining.
Daniel Johnson
>while giving them no backstory What type of backstory did you want?
Jaxson Cooper
After his 2016 meltdown? Practically 100%.
Lucas Fisher
i have a shred of hope left, hopefully:
mountain kills arya, she goes for heart again but doesn't matter because hes zombie or whatever
hound goes dadmode rage and kills mountain or they kill each other.
screencap this
Christian Bailey
>mountain kills arya never, in a million years. We're now watching a post trump victory show. Meaning you have to think "identity politics". Arya is basically unbeatable, she is Rey now.
Kayden Collins
They thought Arya omaeworing his ass WAS their subversion of expectations, watch the making of ep.3
Christopher Martinez
>Jon will kill Dany >Jaime will kil Cersei >Cleganebowl
Yup, best we can hope for is that she doesn't steal the rest of the kills, but I don't think they have the balls to make it anything other than yas queen slaayyyy the rest of the series
Luke Ward
Mate, it won't happen. Books are heading in that direction, but there is literally zero clues about this in the entire show. Don't get me wrong I would be howling with laughter, but in that case it would be the bar sitting normies who would have a point about shit writing since it would come out of nowhere. We saw three episodes already and again there is nothing pointing to that, nor anything happened in the last episode that might cause it. We have three episodes left for her to snap and get resolved.
This is the anti Return of the King Minas Tirith battle. Implying this isn't exactly what George would do just have the supernatural threat be defeated militariliy and with assaniation skills and then have the world return to normal with humans immediatly going back to political power struggle and scheming. The threat was built up and got defeated and Tolkien got btfo like Geroge would do.
>Night King easily defeated if the superpowers work on it a little bit Are D&D trying to tell us something about Global Warming?
Depending on how much you care about the environment and/or USA I can see Op's point. But obv I'll tune in to watch Dany MWGA.
The real question for me is: >Do we allow wamons to hold honorary titles even though they dont deserve them?
I'm not an SJW but I say let her have it for the time being to appease her slower masses. IRL well prob have a female president after Trump and all his heirs pass on, but we'll know smarter minds pull the real strings.
Imagine if Pippin or Merry flew on an eagle with the ring and somehow managed to kill Sauron in The Two Towers leaving Denethor as the main villain. That's how retarded this was.
Nathaniel Sanchez
Don't you see how the tropes were subverted and Tolkein got btfo? Ok you had a supernatural force it got owned by a militarily equal human force and humanity returns to normal state of infighting politics etc. I just hope they have the Iron Bank of Bravos in the upcoming episodes reval how Danny getting her dragons and army was all part of the plan for her to own the WW and pay back the debts to the bank
Eli Barnes
She was upset about something, wandered around for 3 hours crying and drinking. something dramatic happens to Dany.
Also the opening scene of the first episode alludes to it. She's wearing red instead of blue for the first time, she's absolutely smug that everyone is terrified of her dragons. They also made a point to bring up her execution of Sam's father and brother, something everybody hated. There's enough there.
Daniel Rivera
Don't most targaryens go crazy?, she's done for, especially with the couple of faggots writing this shit nowadays.
Is it just me or was Theon's death was completely unnecessary?
Isaiah Scott
Not to mention her absolute power tripping, finding out Jon is the rightful claimant to the throne, fighting with sansa and sansas comments about trusting her. And the next three episodes are all the length of full movies, plenty of damn time.
Jason Martin
Theon was based in that episode, I can see how his death was warranted but he had redeemed himself plenty as far as I'm concerned. He deserved to end up back in the iron islands.
Xavier Bell
>yfw all the shit he and us had to go through, all that time wasted, all for nothing. REALISM.
You could make a case earlier on. Still, it is more a different (and perhaps fresher) focus than really being better.
Robert Clark
the main problem is them not just garrisonning the castle and putting up ballista's and catapults everywhere while not digging moats with caltrops and and sharp wooden stakes at the bottom while putting the troops on the flanks of the castle and having the Dothraki in reserve.
Wyatt Peterson
D&D are shit writers and should be whipped
Christopher Watson
How many dead bodies that were still skeletons could be in there? Ned and Lyanna maybe Brandon Stark too and their dad. I bet Ned's grandparents' skeletons were too brittle to bust through
Jaxson Torres
Nah, at this point it is worse in terms of plot-armor but with less payoff.
Jeremiah Sanchez
kek
Austin Rodriguez
>Still, it is more a different (and perhaps fresher) focus than really being better Deconstruction is not always better than the original source material. GoT has that shock value appeal and works only for the first time, meanwhile i can rewatch Lotr a dozen times and still be amazed by it
Ethan Murphy
I think it was more of a deconstruction of every bastard rip-off of Lord of the Rings rather than of the work itself.
Robert Hernandez
A trope being subverted does not automatically make good storytelling, cinema, or art. The most important thing people forget is that you have to subvert a trope in a SATISFYING way, or in a way that makes sense given what happened prior.
It's like a detective story where all the hints and clues point one way. It's not enough to make the perpetrator out to be someone completely unrelated to the crime. You need to provide a satisfying chain of events that are not only foreshadowed but provided with believable, satisfying evidence to the conclusion. Red herrings and loose ends are a sign of bad writing, in detective fiction and fiction in general. There are about a billion loose ends and unresolved character arcs with NK's premature demise at the hand of Arya here. What was the point of Jon? What was the point of Bran? How does Arya fulfill any of the other requirements of the prophecy of the prince(ss) that was promised? Why did it have to be Beric that saved Arya in that corridor, given how prone to random deaths he was? What was the point of the dire wolf pups? What was the point of Theon sacrificing himself when he would have lived had he waited 20 seconds? Why didn't Bran just say "Theon, wait." or "Theon, step behind me."?
Jason Ross
This. It's so weird. Her cocky attitude towards the undead was an obvious setup for her being humbled and reduced to a little girl again and it seemed for a moment like that was happening with her being trapped in the library at first and the Hound and Beric to save her. But then she did a 180 and apparently escaped from the room they were trapped in and did all the other crazy shenanigans offscreen to omae wa wou shindeiru the NK. It's baffling.
Hudson Barnes
I never implied that GRRM wasn't a mediocre hack writer
>the major conflict has been ended too soon Wrong. Who's here hasn't watched countless movies where epic battles of good versus evil are resolved in 90 minutes. I think NK story ended just in time
Jack Bailey
>The most important thing people forget is that you have to subvert a trope in a SATISFYING way I think the more important part is that the subversion has to ADD to the story, instead of subtracting from it. Arya killing the NK is a problem for the story because half the cast doesn't need to be in the show anymore. Why would anyone in the North care about Sir Say on the Iron throne? Only Danny and Arya care about taking her out. Maybe Sandra. Is anyone else in Winterfel interested in fighting another battle? That's why it's a problem, half the fucking story is over and all we're left with is some petty bullshit about the iron throne.
Dominic Cruz
Fucking based
Bentley Cox
Well you said Tolkein got btfo... when what happened was that D&D B themselves TFO. The LOTR trilogy, books and movie remains the epitome of the genre after this (or at least until the Amazon show). GoT will be remembered as that show with high production values for its time but shat the bed with its conclusion and writing.
Nathaniel Cox
This isn't a movie though
Lucas Fisher
I haven’t cared for two and a half season now.
Jaxson Nelson
the most reddit of shows
Caleb Flores
He got BTFO in Georege's mind. Btw if the books get released I'm certain that all of this will broadly happen in them with the WW getting defeated. The entire thing George was doing was subverting fantasy tropes and doing "realism" in the fantasy genre
Jackson Gutierrez
>A bunch of tumblerinas, feminist and s.oi bois in a group environment cheering a stronk womyn
Color me surprised. The problem wasn't Arya as much as it was the logic behind it.
Jackson Baker
>BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP >climax
>I think the more important part is that the subversion has to ADD to the story, instead of subtracting from it. Yea that's an important point too. >Arya killing the NK is a problem for the story because half the cast doesn't need to be in the show anymore. Why would anyone in the North care about Sir Say on the Iron throne? Only Danny and Arya care about taking her out. Maybe Sandra. Is anyone else in Winterfel interested in fighting another battle? That's why it's a problem, half the fucking story is over and all we're left with is some petty bullshit about the iron throne. Though... I can see how marching south to fight Cersei can now become a point of conflict between Jon and Dany and lead to them pitting themselves against each other. For Jon he'd probably want to remain in the north and nurse his people/soldiers back to health whereas Dany would want to march south immediately.
Noah Mitchell
If everyone was having sex, no one would remain here.
You're right, it's been built up for 8 seasons and now it's reached it's inevitable end, which is something I'm satisfied with
Carter Bennett
Tryhard/10
Jason Powell
>The entire thing George was doing was subverting fantasy tropes and doing "realism" in the fantasy genre Well he/they failed at that too... seeing as how realism in a fantasy genre would entail the Night King completely overrunning and destroying Jon and Dany's armies (especially since they did not have the support they expected from Cersei) before killing the rest of the living at KL and the south. Realistically what chance do normal humans have against magical undead? Probably 0.
Grayson Murphy
>tfw i felt more emotion watching a 2 minute fan-edit than the entire fucking episode of got's biggest, most expensive and most """"epic"""" episode to date fuck me
James Morales
More like >It's your mother sucking off her boyfriend while your father begs her to stop
Ayden Hughes
wow
Brayden Harris
With how predictable this shit is getting, i bet Jaime will be the one to kill cersei.
Jaxson Cruz
Based
Ian Flores
Oh no. I think u could be right. How stupid.
Joseph Reed
2016 meltdown??
Logan Campbell
Who has Dan and David's email?
Connor Cooper
Jaime kills Cersei cuz she evil and he's getting that 6'0+ puss, Jon kills Dany cuz she cray and has dragons and shit, Jon sits atop the throne as the last living targ.
Adam White
>intended audience is now the MCU fanbase, homosexuals and feminists. Why are you being so redundant?
Lincoln Morales
> that the major conflict has been ended too soon It never was the major conflict, wights are stupid niggers who just run and attack every human they find, while the NK and WW haven't been in any wars recently and are just some dudes with senile dementia. Their only advantage was being impossible to kill with conventional weapons, all the humans had to do was to properly equip their army.
They were a threat considering the only thing to really put them down was valyrian steel until sam oopsied about dragon glass
Christopher Hughes
>making hours of show time spent building up the story completely pointless and unnecessary Wow. It's so subversive.
Ayden Davis
In the lore there was the Long Night and a battle that defeated he WW the first time. They defeated them with Valyrian steel and obsidian weapons the first time. It's been like 8000 years humans had better armor, the unsallied are the ebst troops in the world and there was dragons so humans won.
Ryder Foster
No. They were meant to be the main conflict. Could be wrong but weren’t only white walkers killed by dragon glass (not wights) until suddenly wights also were affected about it as of...1 second ago. Pretty sure actually. Even if I’m wrong, you are more wrong because the white walkers have certainly been built up to be the main conflict.
Bentley Martin
IIRC when Arya was killing the Wights on the wall with her Donut Steel spear, she laid one down gently like how the assassinos do when they take faces.
That plus the gust of wind past the White Walker I suppose imply how she got past them all in the Godswood.
Fuck knows why she didn't use it in the stealth level though
Josiah Brooks
“No!”
Aaron Moore
Someone should emulate the fight in some kind of Total War engine and work out a more suitable battle strategy than what they did in the show.
E.g. having the Dothraki/Vale cavalry concealed at the side for flanking, not charging right in to the middle, having the trebuchet behind the army, army behind the barriers, bigger trenches, light the barrier at the start, creating a funnel with them, etc.
Ryan Sanchez
They weren't the main conflict even in the books. There are entire books in that series that barely mention the faggots once
Thomas Morales
Good god the enthusiastic comments of these "people". They will gobble up any shit presented to them no questions asked.
Asher Ortiz
That was the “horror” third (says director). I love how they completely changed her character for that one scene just so it could be “horror third”. Idiots. I should have a job.
Ryan Williams
What is books? Nerd.
Adam Kelly
the average normalfag does not invest any mental or emotional space in anything that isn't social/ relationship. for the normalfag he is entertained if he can follow a simplistic story and understand basic characters and motivations without having to really put any thought into it. the normalfag perceives all media and art as simply background noise in the soap opera of their lives. rarely do they ponder on the quality or meanings behind such media. if they can sit for an hour or two a night and be entertained, they are pleased. 10 minutes later they will forget about it and their minds will start racing with the latest social gossip. to the normalfag. someone who elevates their hobby, interest, art etc above socialisation is immediately considered a weirdo. they cannot wrap their heads around a desire to have a deep interest in the perceived background noise of life. game of thrones is no longer a TV show but a medium through which the normalfag can grease the wheels of socialisation. the show itself is completely irrelevant. all that matters is that it provides the normalfag another channel through which to socialise.
Camden Harris
its the thing they copy and paste the show from
Robert Garcia
There was no side, they came from everywhere in a continuous stream, it's more like a tower defense thing than a battle
Kevin Watson
Ok. But in the show the white walkers have been built up as the main baddies and that’s that. Only way to redeem it is if Dany is main conflict in remaining episodes.
Logan Bailey
it became the very trash tv, the same that panders and appeals to these braindead retards in swaths, that it set out to replace
Ayden Smith
if they were built up then what were their motiviations was the NK as sinister as a Roose and Ramsey Bolton and Cercei? They were a lingering supernatural threat that got defeated and now humanity returns to buiness as usual.
Jack Young
>mom it's getting late, are you going to make dinner? >gosh, no, sweetie, it's way to late for that >but let's discuss what kind of dinner you would have wanted >so I can nitpick the details and act like dinner is an unreasonable expectation I see you.
So all humans had to do was build weapons with valyrian steel and dragon glass, not that difficult > Could be wrong but weren’t only white walkers killed by dragon glass (not wights) until suddenly wights also were affected about it as of...1 second ago. In the past seasons wights could be easily dismembered with any weapon, while dragon glass or valyrian steel were needed in order to kill them. >Pretty sure actually. Even if I’m wrong, you are more wrong because the white walkers have certainly been built up to be the main conflict. They haven't, only a small portion of screen time was dedicated to white walkers, and all they showed was that they could turn babies into white walkers, control the dead and that they were immune to regular weapons.
Hudson Allen
> Ok. But in the show the white walkers have been built up as the main baddies and that’s that Prove it faggot
Henry Parker
Damn that greentext was infinitely better
Justin Ward
the music was kino
William Perry
nuow it ends !
Anthony Bell
Why is tyrion so based?
Sebastian Lewis
Especially the first 20-30 minutes of the episode was GOAT music
Evan Moore
Legitimately its just pop normals who think the GoT characters are attractive and like the naked and sex scenes
Isaac Phillips
Really hoping this becomes a pasta, eh?
Dylan Price
It was the first scene of the first episode before the title crawl, ya dingus
Hudson Smith
Cersei, the literal recognized queen, didn't participate, so no.
Jayden Garcia
>Dany would want to march south immediately She got an third army hidden somewhere?
This might as well be just her sacrificing herself or Jon dying. You are talking about crying white woman, it might be the most asinine of things that upset her. For the past three seasons the producers showed zero effort to bring anything actually shocking to the screen, they utterly missed opportunity with the battle, character arcs are dead, not only no one relevant died, they also didn't do anything of importance.
And as for your point about her smug, totalitarian behavior - I am not sure you are aware of the state of Marvel comics divison, but it is a perfect microcosm of progressive writing (and there is no reason to think GoT producers didn't go that way), that is just how ALL of their female characters are - current face of the Marvel universe, Captain Marvel, is a fascist, through and through, Riri Williams, black iron Man is a narcissistic psychopath, and I don't mean that as just insult, I mean she actually has psychopathy and their muslim female hero Ms Marvel Khamala Khan dishes out extra judicial beatings, locks people up in her own facility and arrest not the supervillains, but the normal citizens for LITERAL unspoken thought crimes. And that is considered to be good writing, those are positive progressive characters. Daenerys and her behavior fits this mold perfectly.
Without memeing and incelling about, what George RR writes as a path to her potentially becoming mad Targaryan queen, progressive crowd considers to be an empowered character.
Ethan Murphy
>Cersei, the literal recognized queen she's Queen of King's Landing. Nobody recognizes her for shit. She has NO claim to the Iron Throne. Everyone else was just busy dealing with shit which left her to sit there and drink wine.
Jace Bailey
Maybe the ice king comes back or sth.
Why kill house mormont off, though?
Kayden Barnes
I cannot. What an odd thing to say.
Lincoln Roberts
Have sex
Jack Cooper
In a much better written story:
Dany to Cersei: " Hey bitch, We got a 10 times bigger army and 3 full grown dragons, only one destroyed ur Lannister army already, why don't you surrender or fckin die ?"
Dany to Cersei after the stupid writters make her feel bad for possibly kill innocent people when all this time every single war has been done and led without thinking about innocent people behind: " Ok we are at the meeting but you have no way of killing my fckin 2 dragons, I can burn you all in a snap of a finger like Thanos and leave with my men unscathed, so why are we here again ?" "If I was smart I could even have killed you with one single dragon while you were marching at the meeting with your 30 men"
Soooo much holes. And let's not start talking about Tyrion who believes Cersei after knowing she is the goddess of lies or Jaimie who could have just killed her in her sleep and spare thousand of his people so they can go fight with the dead, or Arya the supposedly assassin still not able to sneak behind Cersei after sneaking easily behind Walder frey and the Night king and his army able to sense a drop of blood...
I did and now I am Malazan Book of the Fallen fan and see that Song of Ice and Fire is for braindead dummies.
Lucas Lee
As predictable as it would be Jaime and Cersei's stories have obviously been linked from the start and it would be appropriate/emotional.
After the last episode Tormund will probably axe the bitch, he's had about as much to do with her as Arya has the NK.
Ayden Nelson
Podrick will kill Cersei as a payoff like Arya killed the NK. All for the sake of being "subverted".
Mark my words.
Nathan Green
Remember when we were telling the 'Arya will kill NK hyuk hyuk' people to shut the fuck up and go bait for (you)'s somewhere else a week ago?
Cooper Howard
Honestly how the fuck is Podrick even alive?
Xavier Clark
No. Men are no longer allowed to kill women.
Matthew Thompson
The dragons are gonna get BTFO'd even harder than the Night King
Camden Sanders
look, it is very simple.
GRRM is a fat old lazy bum who couldn't finish his books on time. He is so lazy he didn't even care to give dabid sufficient material on what to do with the "others". Result is that dabid go their own way to create the NK persona, and turn this whole "others" into a sidequest from the main plot. Could they have done a better job? Of course, but we can't really blame them too much when GRRM gave them the leash on this issue.
Now, even though GRRM didn't share what to do about the "others", he shared what to do about the Iron Throne. So david went ahead and finished his side quest relatively early, to give the viewers the intended ending with respect to the Iron throne. So at least we'll get that.
Cooper Rivera
Night King is in the books. He's mentioned. GRRM is a fat lazy hack writer and he had no material to give and there never was gonna be any this ios what will happen in the books if they are released.
Isaac Myers
The opening credits remind us that Qyburn still has those dragon killing Ballistae at the keep. You can bet at least one will get fucked by them
Cameron Parker
Reminder that the upcoming book was almost finished as Martin himself stated previously and was in stage of editing, but then his 2016 meltdown happened.
Eli Johnson
>what is the Great Other mentioned by Melisandre?
Hunter Gomez
>u mad whyte boi?
Mason Cook
> takes 9 years to write a book Nobody takes this long to write a book. Even the bible was written in like 2 years
Charles Jenkins
>Night King is in the books
the NK of the books is nothing like the NK of the show though. There is no reason to assume they are related.
Anthony Gonzalez
>This apocalyptic and mysterious threat that has been time and time again hyped up to be devastating to the world, when unleashed, just goes out with a whimper when their big battle finally comes. And so castles made of sa-and, fall in the seaaaa, eventually....
> no reason to assume they are related Why Gurm sold out and gave everything he had over to Warner Brothers . He's on record in saying that he gave them a general outline of what happens in the end. This is what happens in the end.
Jacob Cox
So you're satisfied that the heroes suffered no truly major longstanding losses in what should've been the most climactic battle of the entire show? Okay, retard. Even Winterfell itself is still standing. Their army utterly failed and accomplished nothing.
But hey, if you're good pretending like this generic fantasy victory crap is a good way to end their arc, okay.
Jace Parker
The Night King in the books was just some Lord Commander who was in love with an "Other" There hasn't been an mention of a guy who actually rules over them.
Lucas Cooper
That doesn't imply there's a Night King, just that there are white walkers and they're coming and will have a final battle at Winterfell
Luke Morales
>Arya killing him WAIT WHAT THE FUCK? I JUST GOT BACK FROM A BUSINESS TRIP AND DIDN'T FUCKING SEE IT YET
WHY THE FUCK HAVE NONE OF YOU FAGS HEARD OF FUCKING SPOILER TAGS
FUCK YOU ALL
Cooper Scott
jaime
>missing a hand >only a mediocre fighter at best >still probably the greatest battle tactician left alive >for some reason hes out beyond the castle serving under le strong woman >instead of atop the castle walls calling out the battle plans
god i hate this show
Ryder Bell
reality check faggot, no one cares about your business trip
learn to not be on the internet when you don't want to be spoiled you brainless moron
Liam Cruz
You all wouldn't have a problem with Arya killing the NK if she was still a cute little girl instead of the goblin she grew up into.
Henry Barnes
have sex *cums in u*
Asher Gray
Both are shit
Easton Cooper
So what are spoiler tags even for then?
Ethan Rodriguez
> Nice bait, retard
Noah Ward
its not a spoiler anymore retard everyone has had plenty of time to watch it
no one cares you're stupid and go out of your way to get spoiled when you're behind everyone way else you ugly freak
Logan James
>hasn't caught up on the most popular show in the world today >knows Yea Forums is obsessed with GoT >checks in on Yea Forums before watching the episode What did you expect? Nobody would be talking about it? There's 5 GoT threads up at any one time, 24/7
Lucas White
>2 days >plenty of time >behind
Eli Jenkins
I expected people to know what FUCKING SPOILER TAGS ARE
Mill yourself
Sebastian Gray
Illiterate pleb. The Great Other is an ethereal force of darkness and death that is analogous to the lord of light, or R'hllor. There may end up being some physical manifestation of a leader Other, but the Great Other is not him.
David Parker
Not her army, the remaining combined forces of the north. Which is the crux of the conflict, she sacked her entire army for Jon Snow and expects Jon to reciprocate, but since Jon has always been about winter and the Night King he might refuse to spill more blood for a mere title.
Sebastian Butler
That's the Night's King
Austin Jackson
Cersei should have sent assassins to kill Dragonslut and Sansa during the battle
Alexander Brooks
how is this similar?
Brody Cook
>Supposed to be final boss die just cuz tiny knife poked him shouldnt he at least be immune to this fatal weakness of other goon
>And now we go back to squabbling over a chair. Honestly, is this over? The Iron Throne was secondary by a million miles to the literal extinction of the human race ... is Cersi the final boss? Did Fire beat Ice with several episodes remaining?
Christopher Nguyen
This episode shows how ineffective D&D (the show runners) are as writers. The White Walkers/ Bran and to a lesser extent Jon's Story lines have just been completely fumbled. The entire show and books started with the threat of the white walkers, years of back story that heavily involved Bran and now it just all so pointless. If D&D thinks it's clever to subvert expectations by making the white walkers a meaningless threat and the Night King a typical bad guy to be the bad guy with no clear motivations type of villain, it is just lazy hack writing. I honestly don't care what happens in the show now. Even if Cersi wins and kills all the survivors and the Dragons and becomes the ruler, who cares, life will go on. The biggest threat Westros has ever faced was killed with a gut stab. As of right now: GoT = Waste of Time
Easton Williams
I still don't know why dragon fire didn't kill him. It's fucking dragon fire. Dragon glass does it, but dragon fire can't?
Sounds like you and your mates gather together and jerk each other off while you watch this garbage and pretend it's good like the sheep you are. Based on your response, you don't get laid, stop lying. You are probably the only incel here.
cersei absolutely, arya is garbage and you have the taste of a middle aged hag for thinking she's anything but the product of a producer who plays too many fucking video games
Chase Sullivan
The knights king was a Targaryan. Dany will be the next knights queen after Jon kills her.
Jason Brown
i just had sex then immediately went on Yea Forums to complain about GoT. dunno why people think sex fixes anything.
Joshua Phillips
You really think because Cersei and Arya have vaginas it makes them more interesting characters? Wow, you're easy to please, just make the characters women and it's perfect. People like you are the reason why garbage story telling is taking over movies and tv. You don't care about plot, you don't care about character development, you just want to see women kick ass.
Jordan Mitchell
>Be Night King >Hyped up as this eternal, mysterious, ungraspable being >Turns out he's just a biological/AI weapon gone wrong >gets one shotted by a midget with a knife
> Turns out he's just a biological/AI weapon gone wrong where does it say anything about what the Night King even is?
Adrian Morgan
The opening of the entire show was entirely based around a group coming across white walkers and getting slaughtered with only one survivor coming back to tell Ned Stark before Ned kills him. It was the literally start of everything. You are a mindless idiot.
Levi King
They literally showed the Children of the Forest creating him as the first White Walker, as a weapon to be used against the First Men in their war against each other. Then they went against their creators. Literally AI gone wrong, just biological. Have you even watched the show?
Jackson Allen
ok it did open with that and then the entire 3 seasons we mostly did other things and now the WW are dealt with and we can move on with otehr problems. Have sex and get over it nerd.
Jace Allen
> Have you even watched the show? Fair point I might have missed that episode I stopped watching it around season 4 and now I just watch the big episodes
Cooper Martin
If I was having sex I wouldn’t be watching this garbage in the first place
Christopher Bell
The Others are there to highlight the foolishness of man. They represent entropy, a devastating force that can not be reasoned with and doesn't care for intrigue and backstabbing. I advise you read some Leopardi for example, where he puts it like this: the world is a giant battlefield with two armies preparing to fight each other, one is the army of humans and the other is the army of nature, except humans are busy fighting each other.
Jordan Campbell
George has confirmed the final ending of GoT will be the same broad strokes in book and show. Certain characters may have different roles (especially with how many major characters are combined with a minor character in the show) but the overall plot won't be that different.
Nathaniel Russell
Lol, wow you bring up the sex thing a lot. You must be a pretty big loser. And secondly what about Bran and the third eye raven story did that all mean nothing? What about Jon being bought back to life? All this had to be done to stop the spoiled rich bitch from the south. Come'on! Just admit this is shit story telling with a fancy coat of paint on it. Maybe they could surprise us with a twist in the next 3 episodes but if the WW's are really done. Who the fuck cares what happens the rest of the show?
David Gomez
what makes the rancid quality of the show even worse is we don't have "well at least there's the books" to fall back on anymore since the last ones will never ever fucking come out
Nicholas Bennett
There was so many things stupid with the battle of winterfell episode. Him being obsessed with Bran while all Bran does is have his eyes go white that episode and fly around as ravens lol. He didn't do anything. Also . Ice king dying incredibly easy except dragon fire doing nothing. The writers are hacks.
Nicholas Butler
Are the graphic novel adaptations any good? Also, I was think about getting the illustrated edition of A Game of Thrones.
I don't know why you people think Yea Forums is some niche website. I've been here since 2006 but I've graduated HS, college, started my career and am engaged to be married and I tell my fiance funny shit I find on Yea Forums all the time.
Lincoln Morgan
Congratulations faggot it's almost as if none of this shit you claim can ever be verified. If I showed this website to my girlfriend and she found out that I spend hours here it would be the end of our relationship
Charles Phillips
I think GRRM played D&D (GoT show runners) for fools. I don't think the books will be the same once they are actually released and GRRM will be able to pursue a series of movies that will hold better to his books. Just an opinion tho.
Nicholas Bell
You guys think if Jorah mormont picked up enough rice buns he would have enough health to make it back to the night king with dani and finish him off with a mosou attack?
Ryder Jones
> released It's been 9 years it wont be released and his intellectual property was signed over to Warner brothers he cant just pull a bait and switch
Anthony Foster
Hahaha, you are so pathetic
Angel Cruz
Your girlfriend is a stupid slut then, I suppose.
Henry Diaz
> p-pathetic hehehe lol pathetic display of posting abilities
Stop posting and go outside nerd
Kayden Mitchell
Sure or he just won't release anything and just waits to die. But time will tell.
Liam Hughes
Because if it could possible to do a survey to make the profile of the average Yea Forums user, it would be something like pic related.
There is nothing in first two episodes than indicate Daenerys going Mad Queen, NOTHING, she was arguing with Sansa, and? Sansa is spoiled retard, should be thankfull than Daenerys was helping them. In EP3 Dany literally saved Jon from dying.
TLDR; Daenerys going Mad Queen would be much worse writing than how EP3 ended.
Levi Edwards
And your wife is a whore who probably makes all the Blacked threads and posts her pussy on r9k and soc
Noah Torres
I bet your gf's pussy is full of another man's jizz by now, isn't time for you to go eat your lunch Cuck.
Hunter Johnson
I bet you dont even have a girlfriend and never had one
Grayson Ramirez
Literally in the middle of the episode I knew they were going to end it with the night king getting stabbed and all the zombies melting. It was fucking obvious because this show lacks any creativity now. It's predictable shlock for retards. It HAD to end on a deux ex machina ending, there was no other way of resolving the thread.
Zachary Hall
Yup, after episode 3 if this is D&D direction, Jon vs Dany, destroying both of these character arcs, it would be the most retarded forced bullshit and waste of time in this series.
I'm pretty damn sure you are the one without the GF. Stop being such a try hard. You post as user and make stupid claims about how much you get laid. It's fucking pathetic, no one here cares about what you do with your dick. Because everyone here knows that your hands is the only thing you have or ever will fuck.
Dominic Williams
This is 100% incel projection.
Elijah Diaz
The problem with the episode was the lack of death for the main characters. Too many survived against seemingly ridiculous odds. It became laughable how many were surviving by the end.
Theon and Jorahs deaths were the best moments of the episode, and if they'd killed more then the impact of Aryas kill on the NK would have felt greater. Sadly they just didn't have the balls to do it.
>being this upset over GoT Haven't you been watching the past 3 seasons? The show took a nose dive in season 5. Now its all about spectacle. And on that front the latest episode was great, 9/10
Arya was unironically the best part of the whole episode. But you're right, the problem is the NK died a dull and forgettable death, he was just a named miniboss, a threat with no character or story impact. Which is fine if you're just into dragon riding scenes and epic CGI epic MCU final battles, but that's not why I watch GoT. And now Cersei is the final boss, and her character is just pure fanservice at this point. She only exists to be despised in a series where there were meant to be shades of grey and nuance instead of Star Wars tier Good vs Evil tropes, Cersei, who had an interesting character arc which is now over, is now just some evil cunt for the Good Guys to kill. Not that Jon Snow and Dany are any more interesting than her at this point, they're both just as dull, though, to be fair Dany has always been dull. It's all so tiresome.
Grayson Thompson
The WW where a pointless story element anyway in the books too they could have jut not even had them and the show would have been better
Luis Diaz
And you say my responses are pathetic. Jesus Christ, you're a brainless dipshit.
Christopher Martin
kek
Brayden Anderson
Joke's on you, I'm a virgin.
Aiden Murphy
> PATHETIC I never said your posts where pathetic. Btw what's pathetic is being an incel on Yea Forums desperate to have the last word because let's face it this is the only social interaction you have.
Bentley Young
Brandon and Rickard were lit on magical napalm though.
Luis Anderson
Wow, sounds like this supposed GF controls your life. "If she found out I was on Yea Forums, she'd dump me." How are you not a cuck?
Andrew Bell
>Arya killing him is not the main problem.
That's where you're wrong kiddo. That's like saying that it's okay for Ginny Weasely to kill Voldemort. That it's okay for Lando Calrisian to kill the emperor and bring balance to the force. Stop being a retard.
Adrian Turner
why are soi-americans so easily excited
Michael Roberts
You're doing the same thing...DIPSHIT
Mason Scott
>After his 2016 meltdown? Practically 100%.
What meltdown?
Isaac Harris
The Citadel maesters were right, remember how he told Sam that the NK was nothing to worry about, and everyone is too panicky?
Oliver Williams
Too all the got bookfags who think that the books will be radically different, they wont.
Do you really think Aegon, Stannis, or Euron have any chance in the books to beat Dany or Jon? Theres no chance, its obvious that those characters like Darskstar exist to simply be a stepping stone for the main characters to defeat in the end. The show runners have an outline of how GRRM wanted to end the series, it will likely end in a similar fashion with only minor difference, but will have the same feel.
Do you really think we will get an good white walker lore? What makes you say this? GRRM has hardly any deep lore in his books. His lore consists of vague descriptions that his fandom then uses to pump out their next fan theory that is just going to get them disappointed.
And lastly, why are do we not mock bookfags more. These people literally get excited because of muh magic and muh ice zombies. These people are fucking losers. Their peepees get excited when they read about magic pirate Euron and his big dragon horn. Let me tell you bookfags, you are all pathetic losers if you honestly get excited at the idea of GRRM fleshing out the white walkers, who are not real, they are fiction. Who fucking cares about their lore, its all made up you fucking wankers.
They lost almost their entire military in the battle and a loss here would have meant the death of pretty much the entire main cast besides Cersei. The only people who could possibly flee from this would be Jon and Dany since they get to ride dragons, anyone else would be fucked. Winning was the only way it could have turned out
Evan Kelly
I just like to keep embarrassing things like posting about GOT on an anonymous Chinese forum associated with neo nazis mass shootings and pedophilia a secret from normal people.
Jaxson Harris
The point of the long night is an anti war theme. The show destroys that whole sentiment. We learn nothing of the stark lineage and night kings reasoning. Nothing of what the book hinted at with them being their own people. Just gone in an instant. Tying now lore loose ends. Jon literally looking like a child at the end. No dire wolf combat, no white walker combat, no explanation for little sam. Complete garbage cop out.
Kayden Mitchell
>not teaching your girlfriend about the intricacies of bane, sneed and bobby posting
You lead a sad life, good sir.
Gabriel Richardson
This could work! I hope they go this direction.
Justin Rogers
Why did people in the first few seasons come back to life as soon as they died, but ever since the NK showed up he has to raise his hands? Was he just sat there with his hands in the air for the first few seasons?
James Powell
>GET BEHIND ME, THEON!
Henry Peterson
>the son of a cuckold
Josiah Kelly
But it (((Subverts))) your expectations!
Joshua James
Have sex
Alexander Reyes
Hole
Isaiah Reed
In this article that GRRM was recently interviewed for. It is stated that he is not bound to the direction of the show. So he can completely change things if he chooses. Section from the article: According to several experts interviewed by AFP, Martin is not bound by the television story line and he may well choose to depart from it.
"His contract stipulates that he has to come up with the denouement for the series and provide an outline of what would happen," Allard said. "But he is free to choose a different ending on paper.
I want to see how Euron's blood eye comes into play in the last episodes
Benjamin Myers
Dude shut your brain off, Its a show about about dragons and zombies and tits, what are you, an incel?
Landon Mitchell
Irrelevant because he will never finish the series and die
Jack Brooks
Yep this could be true. I was hoping the delay was due to him waiting out a contract with Warner Bros. But after reading that article, i'm beginning to believe he's just a fat lazy bastard.
Jaxson Morales
>what the fuck Gilligan?!? you build up Walt's character for 3 years, and you have 3 seasons of buildup to his final confrontation with Gus, then instead of a big shootout between the 2, he just gets blown up all of a sudden by the cripple old Cartel dude? how anticlimactic can you get? what the fuck is even going to happen in the 5th season now that the main villain is dead? fuck this show.
lol, I've shown Yea Forums to every long-term gf I've had, or at least funny parts of threads. I showed my last gf Raimi posting, "check this out, Yea Forums is re-writing Spider-Man as a Nazi movie!"
I have been criticized by a couple for spending too much time on the internet, but women also complain about me playing too much vidya or not working enough and all kinds of other bullshit... fuck them though; my life, I'll do what I want.
Ethan Perez
Exactly. This, to me, is why it's such a big deal.
The idea of winter, and the army of the dead, slowly encroaching on Westeros and bringing winter with them all the way to King's Landing was what was threatening.
Basically, they couldn't even make it past the second line of defense (first was The Wall) and now they're defeated.
What's worth getting all worked up over if all they needed was bait for the Night King? Hell, Hodor could've killed the dude a couple seasons back.
Luke Russell
someone post the Arya night king “I am no one” comic pls
Matthew Allen
Dan and Dave are screenwriting simpletons that have been mentally done with this series for years
Blake Reed
Yeah, but Anakin is fucking space Jesus
Charles Jones
No, this was actually well timed. Gus wasn't there in the first season. He was like one of the big gangster dudes you meet in GTA who give you a leg up in your career until you decide to off them.
He was the biggest crime boss... except for Walt.
In GoT, from the VERY FIRST SCENE, the White Walkers are a big deal.
Obviously, the Iron Throne is the end goal for the characters, but the White Walkers being dispatched in one episode halfway through the season is definitely anticlimactic.
Parker Barnes
I haven’t even seen this, but there’s a thing called “falling action” in a story. You’re the faggot that thought the battle for the Shire after Sauron was defeated was bad too, huh?
Anthony Gutierrez
Whited
James Moore
At this point I'm only watching to see Dany and Jon hook up so I can self insert as Jon like I have been for the past 8 seasons.
Julian Ward
...
Eli Reyes
What a shit comparison. It would be more like having Gus be the villain from the start of season 1. Being the main drive and motivation for many of our characters and essentially being the final boss of the series. and then having him be killed by Skylar while foreshadowing it happening five minutes earlier, meanwhile Walt is doing fucking nothing
William Gutierrez
Azor ahai is a servant of a fire demon. Bran is the servant of the ice demon that opposes it. If anything, bran is gonna fight Jon. Dany is the embodiment of fire, if anything, she’s also a servant of the fire demon.
I really hope either Bran or Dany turn into the new Night King or Ice demon. Because if the white walker threat is over in one night but the war between the North and Lannisters took two seasons, then the writing on this show is complete shit now.
Luis Bennett
There’s no way they won’t touch on the night king again after all of that buildup of him tanking dragonfire and slowly pulling up to Bran and looking at him for 2 minutes before slowly pulling out his blade.
Hudson Hill
walt set up the bomb, brainlet
Ethan Howard
>then the writing on this show is complete shit now. Dan and Dave don't have any talent far as story writing is concerned. They seem a bit simple, in a way
Grayson Butler
I grew a neckbeard, a triple chin and 200kg from the sheer americanism in that video I have to go fetch some mcdonalds with extra soý now
Kayden Hernandez
Are they really only going to two more filler episodes and a final battle with Cersei? That would be terrible
Henry Martin
>azor jon >not arya "coldsteel" the hedgehog
Luis Carter
Have to agree, D&D are some dumbass writers ever. Let's not forgot the cinematic wonder they wrote: X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Lucas Diaz
Arya is supposed to be a gorgeous 19ish 20ish girl by now bro. Cant help it if the acyor is a literal goblin. If she keeps trying to be an anime character she will regret it when goblin slayer shows up.
Jaxon Price
>X-Men Origins: Wolverine Dear LORD. I didn't know they were responsible for that. They seem to have a knack for wasting potential
Adam Sanchez
Falling action is a bad story telling technique in almost all of its applications
Parker Young
>Ned IIRC didn't they just get his bones back? With no tissue or ligaments at all, just clean bones in a box? No way he'd be able to come back as a wight.
