ENDGAME DIRECTORS CONFIRM PLOTHOLE

Are X-men and Fantastic Four going to exist in the time line that Cap came from?

>okay I will try to explain
explain it to the directors smart guy

see

what fucking difference does that make

There's a Pym on his end that could've come up with something.

Really, it doesn't matter.

Easy way to bring them in. Make up some convoluted shit and just have Deadpool say “Basically Disney got the rights back and the Russo brothers made a huge plot hole which they used to explain why we’re here now.”

>There's a Pym on his end that could've come up with something.
"come up with something". Great explanation, faggot. In EVERY iteration of this time travel/quantum realm stuff a person was NEEDED on the other end (Hulk testing the van, Hulk at the time pads, the mouse in Scotts van, Scotts parents at the van).
Just saying "herr derr Steve figured it out" is fucking stupid. Almost as stupid as this movie was.

HE WANTED THAT BIG TIDDY 1940S PUSS

RISKING MULTIVERSE COLLAPSE TO LIVE IN A PAST WORLD WHITE UTOPIA WHAT A BASED RAYCIS LMAO

TRULY AMERICA'S COCK

You dont go from B and go to A, you start from A and go to B, you fucking insectoid.

did you make that or something? it's fucking terrible.

What? They answered this in the movie.
When asked how long Cap's time jump will take, Bruce says (paraphrased) "For us, a few seconds. For him, as long as he needs."

So Cap could take as long as he wanted from his own perspective, even decades, as long as he also put the stones back when they were meant to be returned. As long as he didn't lose the equipment he could stay in an alternate timeline and return to the prime timeline whenever he wanted, and that includes after having lived out the rest of his life with Peggy in the alternate timeline. He lived out his life and then teleported back so he could be there to give Sam the shield.

Also, it's highly likely that the Peggy he married has already died from old age from his frame of reference. He could return to that moment in the prime timeline whenever he wanted to, so the only reason he'd really have to get up and leave that timeline would probably be his beloved wife passing away.

I'd break any time continuum rules to get at those Mommy Milkers

Based Cap

he didn't return in the time machine, though. He's just sitting on a bench.

The whole massive lineup of heroes towards the end of EG will probably be repeated, albeit somewhat differently, when the MCU is 20 odd years like in 2028 or 29 and then bring in characters we haven't seen in like forever like Cap as a young man, Stark, etc. temporarily for some big final battle.

Nigga his actor is 37 making his character 30-40 years old he doesn't need time travel to live until 2019 from the late 40's especially with super serum bullshit. He traveled back in time and just fucking lived his life.
>reeeeee time paradoxes
All time travel is inherently flawed. Its a fucking capeshit movie. Why not complain about Nebula killing her past self and yet still existing?

This. This is why it doesn't make any sense.
At first everyone thought (correctly) that Cap just lived in the main timeline from the 1940s on in the background.
But the Russos confirmed he went to a different timeline. In that case, how/when did he get back to the main timeline? What time pad did he use? How did he activate it?

Kek

Where does it say in the movie or scrip that GPS cannot be turn off or disable?

It wouldnt make any fucking sense if it was A, B, and C in that order because its going backwards because its backwards time travel. Are you fucking retarded?

The present is Point A, and the example past is Point B. You dont go from point B to A, you go from A to B.

My theory

He went back and lived in the 1940s and another time line branched off. However he knew he would have to go back and let the others know what had happened, or they would come looking for him.

So he lived out his life, and then went back to his normal timeline to give up the shield to Falcon and then dipped back into his branched off reality.

Its not even a plot hole. Just wasn't shown in the movie. Also its a way that Chris Evans could maybe come back one day and play Cap again.

(It’s Loki)

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>Please don't
Yikes.

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That can easily be explained by a second machine though. He was in an alternate universe with all the avengers. He could have gotten old Tony or whoever to build him a new one so he could come back on his own terms. Bruce says he overshot his landing. So he leaves from the main timeline to an alternate one, lives his life with peggy until she dies of old age, gets the avengers to make him a new pad, then he comes back to that moment, walks over, and sits on the bench.

I don’t even really care about this stupid plothole. I think from a basic character and narrative standpoint this was depressing and terrible. I hate these hack brothers

>That can easily be explained by a second machine though.
What 2nd time machine? The only pad left was the one that Cap left on. The other one in Avengers HQ was destroyed.

>It don't matter. None of this matters.

>Why not complain about Nebula killing her past self and yet still existing?
Because the past Nebula traveled forward in time to the same year as future Nebula.

Logistics of old Cap winding back in the original timeline aside, I'm more interested in moral implications of him going back to Peggy and fucking her. I mean, he would have to pretend to be a different person, while real Cap is stuck in ice, right? Because if he did tell her about it, she'd want to unthaw the alt-Cap. He has to impersonate a younger Cap just so he can get some Peggy puss. Isn't it rape or something?

>Cap finally gets to live the life that was robbed of him.

It was kino.

Why didn't Thanos just use the Infinity Stones to dust all the Avengers before they could go back in time and take the Infinity Stones?

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holy reddit spacing batman

Using yalls logic, how was he able to go back to several time periods to drop off the stones without the platform? Not to mention how he was supposed to get them back at the exact moments they were taken. Maybe he kept the suit safe and once Peggy died he came back to the future but had a different entry point this time.

He had won, and saw no reason to kill them anymore. He chose to get rid of the stones instead.

>Why not complain about Nebula killing her past self and yet still existing?

She killed Nebula from an alternate timeline which is separate to Nebula from the main timeline. Also two Thanos exists in the main timeline, the one who's dusted and the one with his head chopped off.

He could have came back before it was destroyed while nobody was home?

If they had to return the stones to keep the timeline, how does it work for

>Loki who jumped with the space stone
>Nebula who shot her past self
>Gamorra who got transported into the future and never came back

Because then there wouldnt be a movie for you basedboys to froth over

>yall

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>smug Hollywood kikes can't admit their mistakes
More news at 11

Indeed. How was he able to return the power stone to the temple on the alien planet without a space ship? Same thing with the soul stone. Did he just hand it back to Red Skull? How did he give back Mjolnir to Asgard?

i'm a kentucky boy til the death

Loki is still alive in that timeline. That's the Loki who will get his own series.

Posting on my phone
>in b4 fuck off phonefag

Who gives a fuck? Its still a fucking kids movie.

Its a convoluted mess, mostly from their own time travel rules they put into place. If they would have just used normal time travel rules or at least just explain that they were actually going into alternate universes pasts it could have been less retarded. I still liked the movie tho

it was really weird how hung up multiple characters were on love interests who are either long dead/gone, and who they have been canonically established as having moved on from.

>find new family in future
>build life on own terms
>literally bury peggy, sad but signifies death of that aspect of your life
>abandon everything you’ve built to return to a long-gone past to be with a woman that it’s established you didn’t even know that well

it was weird and sad

maybe he went and killed his alternate frozen self first. so he's a murderer and a rapist.

Yeah but have you seen prime Peggy's tatas?

>He gave the time stone back to the ancient one last and asked her to put him in a certain time.
There, it’s fine now.

>MCU now has timetravel machines, FTL drives, and nigh-magical nanotech
Well this certainly is not a complete clusterfuck

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Cap was having fucking support groups about "moving on" and this faggot couldn't "move on" himself.
What a fucking joke.

She was his first love. The feels returned to him when he saw her again in the past.

Because they witnessed how quick everything can be destroyed, and got fucked up from it dummy. Plus Cap was already trying to retire and move on, hence the men's meeting in the beginning of the five years later part. Once time travel was thrown out there, he saw that he could have what he wanted. Clearly he still wished for the life with Peggy, considering he still had her picture in that compass. He saw his opportunity and took it. Not to mention you cant rule out de-aging him in a future movie based on the initial experiment with the van.

Quantum Realm? more like Quip Realm

He even said so himself.

There it is. Good shit, didn't think of that.

/thread

ALL THAT TECH IS FOR PLEBS

STRANGE WAS TIME TRAVELING HIS ASS OFF BEHIND THE SCENES ORCHESTRATING EVERYTHING, HES SO FAR ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE

ITS MAGIC BITCH

>le story for another time
This is why I hate capeshit

>But that's a story for another time
>No one's ever really gone
>The End...?

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so how did cap return the soul stone

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This. Plus, when Tony returns from space, he is greeted by a worried and relieved Potts. Steve looks at them with envy, reminding him of Peggy.

>at least just explain that they were actually going into alternate universes pasts
They did exactly that. They spelled out in plain english that this was exactly how it would work, right before the time heist.
>someone suggests they go back in time and just kill baby Thanos
>Hulk explains that alternate timelines are a thing and that they would just be killing baby Thanos in a different reality, and that doing so would have no effect on their own timeline's Thanos
This is why they were only using time travel to gather the infinity stones, rather than using it to try to change history.

Endgame's time travel rules made it so you DON'T have to worry about paradoxes. I don't understand how this flew over anyone's head when they fucking described it in the movie.

didnt he make out with carters daughter in one of the movies..?

so did he... make out with his own daughter

I understand in the context of the story WHY steve did what he did. What I’m saying is that from a thematic standpoint, it’s a bizarre choice to introduce all these narratives about healing and moving on from trauma (especially with his 2 closest friends), only to have the main character who is involved in these threads ultimately stay totally stuck in his ways, to the point of leaving his new friends totally in the dust to essentially just dump all of his responsibilities and life and live out a fantasy with people who don’t even exist anymore. I just think it’s depressing, but I get it

PISSANT :^)

Again retard that isnt the point. Your whole is worthless. The point is he had no way of getting back to the current reality. Jesus are you this stupid?

they don't go to alternate realities, they go to the main one but explain that changing something in it creates another timeline, that's the quantum theory
but then their plan is to go back again to pretend they didn't change anything to "clip the branches" and go back to one unchanged timeline
trouble is, that shit doesn't happen, and now they're saying there are alternate timelines left behind

ALL THIS BULLSHIT IS WHY FLASHPOINT HAPPENED.

Wasn't Carter's daughter. Was her niece.

if they traveled to alternate timelines that already were alternate timelines, then they would already be different and maybe the stones wouldn't even be where they were supposed to be
THEY created the alternate timelines when they changed stuff
but then they're supposed to undo that, which is where it falls apart

>introduce accidental incest to your cinematic universe
aww cute

never ever

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Endgame is a false reality Thanos created using the reality stone.

>movies are a false reality
so meta

This is retarded.

Everything is explained in Dr Strange: temporal changes create branches in time. Every time travel to a furtherest point in the past creates a new dimension (or timeline).

Now the device created by Stark can do something else: the traveler can return to his own dimension as long as it's in the future compared to his original departure. This is how all the avengers returned to the compound with a non-altered version of their original universe and no doplegangers.

Similarly the device can return the traveler to the newly created dimensions at any point in the past as long as it's in the future compared to his departure from those dimensions. This is how Cap returned all the stones to the dimensions where they were missing right after they had been taken.

Then that means they werent saving their own timeline because they would inherently be in a timeline other than their own by doing this, which would be stupid.

He never wanted the responsibility of the Avengers. His war was in the 1940's. He basically got dragged into everything but he was cool with it for a while because he had always wanted to be a hero. I don't think he's wanted to be a hero, and definitely not teaming up with all the other heroes for quite a few movies now. Its a nice ride off into the sunset for him, he fought more battles than he needed to just to save everybody he could because he was capable of it. But through it all he just wanted to live something of a normal life with Peggy. I think her unknown husband they mentioned previously was him all along.

Exactly

>Everything is explained in Dr Strange
No it isnt.

>does the biggest fuck up in the entire franchise
>does absolutely nothing to redeem himself and shows 0 remorse

is he ruined being repair?

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Projections now show crossing $2 billion in 12 days.

Hold on to your butts Cameron-fags.

>they don't go to alternate realities, they go to the main one but explain that changing something in it creates another timeline
The instant they even ARRIVE in the past, they have already created a new timeline. Even just the air being displaced by the presence of their bodies is a change from the original timeline, so regardless they are IN an alternate reality from the instant they get there. That is why they can fuck around in that timeline and steal infinity stones and kill Hitler and do whatever else they want and none of it will affect the original timeline they came from or create paradoxes or cause anything complicated.

This is why they stressed that they cannot change their own timeline's history or stop their own Thanos from performing the snap.

>Then that means they werent saving their own timeline
Stark designed the "spacetime GPS" that enabled them to return to their original timeline, as long as they returned a point in time after they left Traveling to the past created new alternate timelines from which they were taking the infinity stones and then returning to their own timeline.

He had the space stone with him he could have used it to teleport to the power stone planet, Vormir (don't know how he "returned" the soul stone to Red Skull after teleporting to Vormir though) and Asgard to return the aether and while on Asgard could just leave the hammer anywhere and it would automatically return to Thor upon being summoned then he just used the space stone to teleport back to Earth

EVERYONE KNOWS WHOS IN CHARGE

FAT THOR AND THE ASSGUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY

knowing the character, I don't think he would even admit he is the one who fucked everything up.

He got hit in the nuts and went OUWIE ZOWIE

Gotta treat it like comics. The Russos can't write anything good for StarLord or Thor. Wait for the next Gunn joint.

If 5 years past,
why is peter seeing his buddy in the hallway? Just because pete was in the wind how didnt his classmates move on or were they all dusted too

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Clearly his friend also died in the snap

>Another dimension old man Cap came to give Negro and NOT Metal Arm his shield
This is Rick and Morty level retardation

That's so lazy and retarded that these people will steal your idea and use

It's fucking easy even a caveman can figure it out once he's back the stone is back and the branch goes away he stays and lives another 80 years and was probably US Agent.

>phoneposter

oh shit you're right I didn't even think about that. Him and Hulk were supposed to show up this time round. Those two are the biggest fucking losers, holy crap.

yeah unless we're talking about Hank Pym you can't really hold a grudge for whatever kind of unethical shit the characters do

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you matched every kid from SMHC and endgame to verify that post?

What about the fucking tesseract? When Cap is returning the stones he returns the stone, not the cube itself.

>half of all people everywhere in the universe got dusted
>W-WHY DIDN'T HIS FRIEND AGE, GUISE?? FIVE YEARS PASSED, SHOULDN'T HE BE OLDER???
Why would you even post this? How do you fucking people remember to breathe?

some of his friends not, some other a.k.a the main cast from Homecoming, snapped. Convenient really.

if his friend got erased just like him, what is the point of the emotional reunion? In their point of view it's like no time has passed since Thanos snapped his fingers

Ayn Rand was low iq

Old Cap stepped out of the time machine just before they all gathered around it to send younger Cap back.

He's sitting on a bench a few yards away from the time machine he stepped off of an hour before.

Yeah, why would his friend be happy that he came back from war alive? Why would Pete be glad to see his buddy again after nearly dying to an army of invading aliens?
You fucking idiot.

When they're in 2012, what time machine did they use to go to 1970?

He could have known Hank Pym or another Tony Stark that gave him another time traveling machine

Russos made him look even more of an idiot than the GOTG movies did.
I wouldn't say he didn't feel remorse though. Pratt seemed to try and show it in his face at one point. At least that's how I read it.

>russos are retards who had go for new timeline bullshit instead of just going 'yeah he just lived his life quietly up until that day because he already saved the world'
god hollywood tards always try and get all smart and pretentious when it comes to timeline bullshit

>When they're in 2012, what time machine did they use to go to 1970?
They were jumping around/creating alternate timelines.
They needed the time pad to get back to the original timeline.

Why didn't they just use the time stone to bring Tony Stark back to life, like Thanos did in Infinity War to Vision after he was killed? They didn't even try. And the original wielder of the stone, Doctor Strange, was standing right there. You'd think he would have at least suggested it. Or Scarlet Witch, since she saw it used in that way before.

Now that the other half came back, how the fuck are they gonna sustained it with the under maintained facilities?

his contract was up and he's too expensive

You'll need another Time stone to rewind.

You can't just take out the Time stone from the gauntlet and rewind before IM dies with all six stones are on the gauntlet.

>someone would have to activate the time pad or Scott's van to bring him back
untrue
If the plan was for Cap to leave the main timeline and then return the stones to the individual timelines they were taken from before returning home, then it stands to reason that when he is -in- those timelines he still has a way to perform further time jumps without the use of a machine like the pad/van.
furthermore, when he/they jump to the past they are arriving somewhere no pad exists, which means when cap jumps back to the main timeline he doesn't necessarily have to arrive at the pad if he's already got his own time travel equipment to use.

it suggests that while the pads are the "primary" time travel devices, the suits also have built-in time traveling capability. this explains why cap and tony can make deliberate subsequent jumps to other timelines without needing the pad.

>They needed the time pad to get back to the original timeline.
when was that stated?
afaik that was the point of the "spacetime GPS" tony designed, not the pads. the pads are just generic time travel devices, but the little device they were all wearing on their hand was what let them return to their specific timeline.

>You'll need another Time stone to rewind.
No problem, just bounce to the past again and snatch another one. Takes like ten seconds.

Oh, that's a fascinating point. It would create a bizarre contradiction. Thank you for pointing this out; I hadn't thought about it.

But the Pym particles....

>when was that stated?
It wasn't. But they clearly went from 2012 to 1970 without it. But in EVERY iteration they needed a time pad.

>But in EVERY iteration they needed a time pad.
to get home.

How did they get out of 1970 without a time pad?

when are we going to get actual capekino?

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>How did they get out of 1970 without a time pad?
They activated their time GPS thing and got pulled back to the time pad in the main timeline.

Don’t forget the dragon balls aka infinity stones

But then how did they get to 1970 in the first place? Was there a time pad in 2012?

He has a movie coming out post endgame, right? And i saw all his classmates in it

Ancient one literally confirmed they go to alternate realities. Are you fucking retarded

>But then how did they get to 1970 in the first place? Was there a time pad in 2012?
I'm just guessing here, the movie is shit and not much makes sense or is explained.
But the time pad is necessary to throw you into the quantum realm. After your in, you can use your suit to go to different times. But to get back to the main timeline you need the time pads. Otherwise why would Hulk even use the time pad when he sent Cap back with the stones? And why would he need the pad to bring Cap back?

So fat kid hugs him like he hasnt seen him for... 5 years, when if he in fact both got dusted, it would have been only a day or so.

>this
You don't really need the time stone, either. Tony knew he could die and had the foresight to prepare a message. If he had cared, he could have used his time machine to go back right before they started, bring his slightly old self into the future, creating an alternate timeline where Stark disapears after giving the Avengers time travel, and then hid in case his clone died as a contingency. If he lives, then his copy just goes back and there's no harm done, and if dies he can return and accept there's a timeline where shit doesn't go so well; they already created several timelines anyways, and arguably all possible timelines are happening all the time anyways.

Why didn’t they revive Vision and Stark with the infinity stones?

Fat kid still probably saw ppl gettng dusted around him before going himself. So he was still freaking out. Then when he came back ppl told him five yrs passed and shit. And then he saw peter again. Not to mention last time he saw peter, he was swinging off to fight aliens anyway. So yea he gladly hugged him.

Its not that hard retard. Try to use your fucking small brain

Because billionaire stark would be real life.. billionaire downey jr.

If Stan Lee died, how was he in that scene halfway through the film where he talks about peace and love?

Here's you writing an essay defending a movie, you need a nap you fucking moron.

He just traveled back in time from a slightly farther along timeline after getting old there, and used his GPS to be sent to the correct, original timeline.

Doesn't he actually say that during the movie?

So Downey wanted out, I get that. But what about ScarJo and Chris Evans? Do they even have careers outside Marvel?

No, im explaining a basic idea to a retard that cant comprehend simple shit presented in a movie. Try again you worthless dumbass

>Otherwise why would Hulk even use the time pad when he sent Cap back with the stones?
Redundancy isn't unusual in engineering. Perhaps the pad is also more reliable or safer, or maybe it's just because when using the pad an external operator like Hulk can monitor the time travel process, more finely control it and improvise in the event of a failure.

If the pad is a pc workstation, the suits are iphones. They are just simple versions of the pad so the meathead heroes can plug in a date/time or press the "home" button and it just werks.

Old Cap is a skrull. Screencap this post.

While he was on his death bed, disney puppeteers went to work, like dark crystal shit, jim henson's great grandson had his arm up his ass working stans mouth.

I think they filmed a bunch of cameos to use in future movies before he died.

This is apparently what happened, but it's confusing that he didn't show up on the pad, just as an old man. During every other instance of using time travel, when they returned to the main timeline they came out on the pad. But it's really not clear why they start and end on the pad, but can also jump backwards again without it, and come back to where they started with out. The machine was confusing in the first place, because it was presented as a way to get in and out of the quantum realm, but Ant-Man did so with just his suit a long time ago, and leaving and entering the quantum realm is done by the Avengers after they enter through the machine.

And im just saying you're a cunt

>Perhaps the pad is also more reliable or safer, or maybe it's just because when using the pad an external operator like Hulk can monitor the time travel process, more finely control it and improvise in the event of a failure.
You're just making stuff up now. Even when they all went on the mission they used the giant time pad with no one monitoring.
The time pads are basically an altered version of Scott's van.
Why go to all the trouble of building a time pad(s) when the suits will do?
The movie fucked up in this regard.
The Russos had to have a fucking Q&A in China to explain their clusterfuck ending.

>If they had to return the stones to keep the timeline,
They didn't. Banner promised to return the time stone so the bald lady didn't have to live in a fucked timeline, and they choose to return the others to try to minimalize the fallout, and to get rid of them. The main timeline the movies follow never changed, and they created several timelines that match the main timeline to certain degrees, and some that vary wildly (they created a timeline where Thanos disapears long before IW happens, so no snap, no Asgard genocide, and no dead Tony).

this whole timeline shit teases secret wars and the multiple earths you jackwagons
INCURSIONS
read Marvel's Illuminati and get strapped in for another 20 years of the MCU and capeshit

oh, and this will likely be how they introduce mutants and the X-men into the MCU

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>but then they're supposed to undo that, which is where it falls apart
No, they're not. They don't undo anything, they're just trying to minimalize differences between the created timelines and the main timeline. The only reason they bother at all is the ancient one, and that wasn't so her new timeline could reconverge with the one that already happened and is det in stone, it's so that her new timeline can continue like normal, and Earth won't get fucked without a time stone in it.

>You're just making stuff up now.
Obviously? The question was "Otherwise why would Hulk even use the time pad when he sent Cap back", a hypothetical question, so I answered in the same context.
What I'm -not- making up is that they DID travel from 2012 to 1970 without a pad. What I'm suggesting is a reasonable explanation for how they could do that - I obviously can't say it's factually correct, but it would explain everything. But to say that they NEED the pad to initiate time travel is incorrect. They did it without the pad, right there in the movie. That's what happened and there's no disputing that, it's not speculative.

We know the pads can perform time travel. That doesn't mean the suits cannot independently perform time travel. We SEE them iterate on the technology, this is just like asking "why did they need the bigger pad when they already had Scott's van?" Or "why did Iron Man build his first suit out of clunky metal parts when he could've just used nanites?"

It's so baffling to me that anyone is having trouble with this movie.

Oh come on incursions were completely retarded.
Also what, are they going to introduce Namor specifically for that purpose too?

>Ayn rand was quoted

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>But how? Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems the answer is yes.

So Old Cap had already met Bucky before he even left. It really was a closed loop, but it involved another timeline.

Incursions would the last thing for the MCU to do when the property is dying in the next 20-30 years.

It would be the final milk and reset before Disney decides what they want to do with the IP. And yes, the incursions are retarded but that's the whole point, to bring back interest to already done stories
>alternate universe Captain America vs Captain America
>Thanos and the black order destroying worlds
>God Dr. Doom
>the Beyonders

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>They don't undo anything.
See, I'm starting to realize that all the confusion with this movie is because these people just didn't pay attention while they were watching it. This is so fucking simple, and the movie goes to lengths to outline how the time travel is NOT going to create paradoxes or otherwise fuck things up. It's so easy. It's the easiest time travel has ever been to understand and the short attention span generation still can't handle it.

If anyone is still having actual trouble understanding what happened or think the time travel created plot holes, then go find the chink camrip and watch it again and pay fucking attention instead of whispering to your dicksuck friend in the next seat.

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so stupid. If Cap really makes another "jump" back into his original reality after his wife dies, why is he sitting on the bench like he's been waiting there? If he's gonna jump back, why wouldn't he do it at the time the team was expecting him to come back?

it's a fucking asspull. they couldn't even get their own time travel logic right, they realized it way after production, and now they are pretending like it was intentional.

I visibly cringed at the "female avengers" scene.

>why wouldn't he do it at the time the team was expecting him to come back?
Because he is not coming back.

he did come back

Reed Richards exists in old man caps timeline, thats why.

Not in the capacity of Captain America. They expected Cap, they got old Steve Rogers. Who is probably not staying either.

so what? what's the fucking point of your argument? if he really was jumping back to the original reality there is no reason why he wouldn't come back on the deck at the same time he was supposed to. the fact that the movie has him sitting on the bench as an old man is supposed to make you think he lived a full life in that universe. Everybody who watched the movie thinks this, until you go home and realize it's totally inconsistent with the time travel rules they explained. It's a plot hole, a giant mistake, and now the directors are acting like they intended to do it all along.

I think it may be a flub but only in that when they hit the button Cap in the suit should have come out. Make his face obscured before he takes off the helmet to reveal he's old. He had all the time he needed to put the stones back so he spent the 50-60 years with his wife until she died. He's got that super soldier serum so who knows how old he can get before passing. After she passes away he heads back to his time.

As is it was meant simply to be a touching little moment where you realize right away it's old man Steve.

Autism

This is really the only fuck up, because the obvious interpretation from watching the movie is that Peggy's husband turned out to be old man cap all along, but it's inconsistent with the rules. They're now saying that in reality, old man cap lived in an alternate timeline, and just returned to the main timeline late in his life, which is the logical conclusion and ocnsistent with their rules when you think about it. The fuck up comes in that there's no reason he shouldn't have appeared on the pad when they expected him to, just as an old man. It's capeshit and there's no reason he couldn't have come back another way, but it is seemingly inconsistent with how time travel had worked in the movie up until that point, because in all previous instances they returned to the pad when they returned to the main timeline. But really, since time travel is explained as being a physical traversal in the quantum realm, and Tony and Captain show that they can go quantum and travel to an arbitrary known point without the pad, there's no logical reason based on the movie's stated rules cap couldn't have gone quantum without a pad in his old age, traveled to where he left when he was young, and exited the quatum realm without the pad. So it all checks out in a "well ackshually" type of way, but it was presented poorly.

To add to what I said that you replied to, they could have easily played it out like this. Cap goes through time and is transported back. Have his helmet obscured somehow. Maybe steam from reentry or somethin, I dunno. That or have Bucky and Falcon standing in a way that they couldn't easily see Steves face. He exits the pad and slowly walks his way to the bench. Banner, Bucky, Falcon all look a bit confused and start heading to the bench. Then the scene plays out exactly like we saw it in the film from then on. There, no potential plot holes.

Time travel should be banned from movies.

It doesn't need to be a plothole. Not everything does. It's just a really nice ending for the character. Looking too deep into it is pointless. They just needed a convenient way to convey the sentiment of passing on the shield and giving Steve his waifu.

If you think about it, there is no plothole though.
If cap can travel to specific points in time where some manner of divergence happened, it means they can target specific timelines.
Thus he traveled back in time to a specific timeline in a way that is consistent with what was shown.
And he deliberately overshot because he took the long way around and had to travel back from his point of view.

As long as he has the particles, he can go to whatever time/place he needs to. Seeing how they managed to do that without the platform when they go to 1970

self-assigned 'objectivists' care cause they dont realize theyre in a cult

this for fucks sake its a movie based on comic books come on they could easily pull some new macguffin to explain watever they want

The first rule of time travel in movies: it's always inconsistent and fucked up.

Tony managed to solve the consistency issue but somehow they fucked it up in the end with Cap because they wanted to 'close' his character.
They literally could've just let him leave his shield to Falcon and it would've been the same thing. The main problem with the alternate reality in which Cap and Peggy married is the fact that it's an alternate reality - there would be 2 Captain Americas and original Cap would've killed the other one so that the timeline stays stable and consistent with Tony's predictions.

Yeah, this was quite a good solution too. It doesn't solve the consistency issue though with Tony's model - your current state at any point in time must remain the same or else you risk being branched into an alternate timeline where you can't go back to the original timeline. Cap disobeyed this law of the model because he chose to stay in one timeline so he aged (meaning his supersoldier serum is inactive already) so that means that he shouldn't have been able to return to the original timeline because his state is already different.

Antman's case is an exception (even with the experimenting) because he's already used to navigating the quantum world so he can always find his 'anchor' to the reference point of the original timeline - it's just that when they attempt to 'connect' him to the anchor, they pull out a different version of him from other timelines because those other versions are still him but with a differnet state but his device doesn't discriminate against their states - hence they were able to pull old, baby, and young Scott. Tony's device solves this issue by only allowing the wielder of the device to connect to the anchor in the original reference point but the condition is that their 'state' must remain the same - so if there's a change in their state, they lose their connection to their anchor.

Clever. I like this one.

Hulk is literally the most well-adjusted and probably second most heroic Avenger in the movie.

I think it's fair to say that the entire cast of Homecoming was snapped.

I'll say although I do think he was wasted for most of the movie, I liked that moment where he decides to be the one to wield the gauntlet.
>It's mostly gamma. It's like...I was born for this.
That's the best callback mcu hulk has ever had to his origins since the 2008 movie that marvel seems to want to forget, which is sad.
They should've gone either 1 of 2 ways. Either
1. Have a moment in the final battle where smart Hulk fakes out Thanos into thinking he's going to fight him head on only to outsmart him in some way
2. Have Mantis turn off his inhibitors so that we get pic related
Instead they did nothing.

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are the branched timelines where thanos won? and if it isn't 'our' old cap, then he really shouldn't exist if he came from a timeline where thanos won

simple deduction
if my question is yes then my statement is null
but the 14 million still stands