There's been a lot of bitching on this board about 'the drop' but this moment was obviously built into the story from...

There's been a lot of bitching on this board about 'the drop' but this moment was obviously built into the story from the very beginning. While it's true that most of the later seasons are fanservice, this is something that GRRM had planned since he started writing the first book.

The Valyrian dagger that started Bran on his quest is what finishes the Night King. Bran's story is a 'there and back again tale.

Arya's entire arc throughout the books points to this moment. There are also tons of hints dropped throughout the entire show, going back to season 1.

It's pottery
If you don't like it, you need to get laid.

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it would feel believable, but the way she sneaked past 9 generals, made that cheesy knife drop and everything was just shit

This.
The larger plot is something I won't critique, I'll accept it for what it is. The execution of that plot on film, however, has been utter shit and shown the complete ineptitude of all involved, as well as the extent to which poor decisions were made simply to save money.

I don't have a problem with Arya killing the Night King. Someone had to do it, and it might as well have been her. My problem is with the White Walkers as a whole. Why build them up for 8 seasons and kill them in one episode. Either treat them as the main threat and focus most of season 8 on them and their motivations, or don't have them in at all. Doing what they did, which was build them up and kill them in one episode, just makes no sense.

Yeah dipshits keep making it out like people are upset it was specifically Arya
I'm upset that the "Greatest War Westeros will ever see" ended in an episode and we didn't get any fucking fleshing out of the white walkers

>cat of the canals

They showed 0 respect to all other characters for this though. It leaves you wondering if the NK was really just big baddie, what was Bran's purpose in all of this other than staring ominously in this? Sam also found out about his parentage from The Citadel. Jon banded everyone together then just rode around his new dragon. The propechy stuff was forced to 'fit' Arya after they found it was her. All the stuff from Hagar, Melisnadre, Syrio was before they found out and then badly stuck it in just before she runs off to kill him? Seems like they had to do this whole NK stuff in 1 episode so just made it all action and no payoff for viewers watching for the story.

Fucking this. Everyone I've seen defend arya missed the point completely.

I figured she took the face from a wight. Honestly, I feel like D&D have been playing 4D chess with me the whole time now, as every shitty thing they did almost makes sense now.

Cooler thing would have been:
>Night King reaches for his sword
>Just before the blade falls, Bran's eyes go white and he wargs into the Night King
>OMG Bran literally just warged into ice.jpg
>All of the zombies suddenly stand completely still
>Davos pokes his finger into a zombie's forehead and it falls back into the snow
>Pod and Gendry grin at each other and high five
>Night king and his army turn around and peacefully march northward
>Bran is now an ice sculpture sitting in the middle of the weirwood forest, forever enchanted. He sacrificed himself to save all of Westeros

K I N O

It doesn't really excuse having Bran doing absolutely nothing for the whole episode. He can time travel and affect the past. Him and Sansa are heavily underutilized characters except Bran actually has some ability that we were shown in the past seasons. Killing the Night King without Bran doing a single thing ruins his arc worse than what happened to Beric, at least in Beric's case he actually did something albeit poorly scripted.

Same with Jon. Jon and Dany did jack shit for no apparent reason the whole episode. The dragons should have been able to fly/fight themselves without the need for a rider on their backs, it's not like Jon or Dany were doing anything but clinging on for dear life the whole time.

Everyone would have been fine with Arya landing the final blow IF the whole episode wasn't so Arya-centric in terms of actually doing stuff. Forcing an 'epic moment' always backfires if it goes against the plot. As it stands, Arya killing NK feels like a cheap, hollow, wholly undeserved victory.

Actually have Bran provide some revelation or maybe engage in a warg battle with the NK, have Jon fight some White Walkers instead of playing Aladdin for half the episode, make Beric's sacrifice grander and more meaningful, give the Hound some bloody redemption, etc.

There were really only two characters that felt like they completed their arcs successfully, Melisandre and Theon, and in both cases it was a bit tainted by Arya murdering the Night King. In Melisandre's case, all the prophecies of Azor Ahai was thrown out. In Theon's case, he could have literally waited 20 seconds for Arya to blink in, so it cheapened his sacrifice.

There's nothing inherently wrong with Arya being the one to kill the NK, but because of it it cheapened a lot of the other character's arcs.

>treat them as the main threat and focus most of season 8 on them and their motivations
Most agree with this. The problem is there was almost nowhere else to go. Focusing on the others for several episodes would be boring because there isn’t much else you can do. It would have been way more interesting if the Night King flew to King’s Landing, sired Cersei as his queen like he did to those babies, and burned up all the armies to create wights. Then went back to Winterfell. But it also wouldn’t make sense given what they’ve already revealed about the Night King and his motivations. The Children used magic to create him to destroy man. And their creation backfired against them but made them vulnerable to dragonglass. Bran explained the rest. There was nowhere else to go with them despite the build up over several years. It’s anticlimatic because they rushed to explain it to an end in the past couple seasons

>grrm planned to kill a character that doesn't exist with a ninja move
so how does he write it
>"arya suddenly appears 10 feet in the air above the night king and then does that move from that anime I saw"
>and thus the long night ended
>written by samwell tarley, the most popular citadel manga author

casual showfag here, can someone remind me why a random assassin guy was using a valyrian steel dagger?

Little finger gave it to him to implicate the Lanisters.

its early in the first book and george rr martin likely hadn't established all of the rules about valyrian steel yet but wanted to make the assassin seem powerful and mysterious

Should of had at least a few horror episodes of the aotd marching south.

>his is something that GRRM had planned since he started writing the first book
Yeah, no.

inb4 have.

>y problem is with the White Walkers as a whole. Why build them up for 8 seasons and kill them in one episode.

Agreed. For seven seasons, I have been looking forward to seeing this terrifing unit called the White Walker in action. Apparently, they are well named. All we saw them do is walk. Well, some of them were riding horses but Lord of the Rings already took White Riders.

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To add to what I said, there are two character's whose arcs are heavily, heavily intertwined with the Night King's, as in without the Night King they cease to have any real identity in the show.
These two characters are Jon and Bran. They both should have played much much larger roles in the Night King's defeat than what they had.

A good example of a similar scenario would be the original Star Wars trilogy. Darth Vader and Palpatine are characters whose arcs are heavily intertwined with Luke Skywalker's. They represent both dark and light sides of the force respectively, and furthermore Vader is Luke's father. Defeating Vader is Luke's destiny by birthright.
That is, if you want to tell a GOOD story. You can easily have Vader shot down and killed by some no-named pilot but that would completely subvert the story in an unsatisfactory way (hint hint). People would be left wondering 'what's the point of introducing Vader if he's just some weakshit faggot that dies some random nobody?'. In this case Arya is not quite a nobody, but her killing NK is the equivalent of Han Solo killing Vader/Palpatine. It did not belong to her character's arc. Hence why her killing NK is an example of poor storytelling, even if it subverts the expectation of the viewer. If she did it with the help of Jon and Bran, or better yet, had she died doing it, it would have been a different story. A good example of the latter happening is Smeagol's role in LOTR. It was never really his place to destroy the ring, but after Frodo finally succumbed to the ring's corruption, his desire for the ring inadvertently became a force for good as he fought Frodo for it in the fires of Mount Doom.

>Someone had to do it, and it might as well have been her.

Let me interrupt you there. Arya had nothing to do with the ww plotline so it makes no sense at all that she gets to kill the final boss. Jon has been fighting ww for 7 fucking seasons. That's his plotline. Even at the battle at hardhorne, Jon and NK have a stare off, acknowledging each other as enemies. Even Sam and bram have been part of the ww plotline and they did nothing this whole battle as well

If only the entire reason Bran was near the tree was to set a trap to kill the NK. Whoever got there first was going to try and kill him. The ice dragon was literally blocking the entrance.

They could have at least had John reach Bran and job to the Night King before Arya teleported in the save the day.

Were you upset when they revealed jon was a targ? 7 seasons of no plotline for the Throne, and now hes the rightful king?
> It should be Dany’s!
>Shes had 7+ seasons of the same plotline!

This is how retarded you autists sound

If Dany just took it as "okay, you're the king now, cool, I'll fuck off"
then yeah, it'll be equally retarded

The identity of Jon's birth parents has always been a mystery, and the truth about his birth has been hinted before when Bran had a flashback to the day his mother gave birth and left him to Ned.

And Dany's whole narrative is that she is going mad with power, just like her father did. That is why she will not sit on the iron throne.

>And Dany's whole narrative is that she is going mad with power
I'm stilling doubtful of the whole 'Dany is going to go mad and Jon will be forced to kill her' theory.
Unless they have been really, really subtle there was nothing so far to hint that she's going mad with power.

yeah its all shit D&D fan fiction
I hope GoT gets re-adapted one day when the books are finished

>It was foreshadowed so that makes it right
I hate this meme.

Also, the Night King as such does not exist in the books dipshit.

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they literally decided this 3 years ago to shock audiences faggot

I always figured that if Jon or Dany didn't do it, then it would probably be Tyrion with wildfire or Arya. But this anime "teleports behind you" shit is retarded. And she literally fucking teleported.

wrong you're wrong you haven't touched anything written by gurm
fuck off

>No one moved to stop her cause NK had it handled.
Obviously not.

Arya has been training to be an assassin and literally jumps like a crazy ninja in the same episode. Her brother gave her the dagger.

My only questions is what happens to bran and arya since the nk touched both of them? Is it null now cuz he died?

>"H-HAVE S-SEX!!!"

Cope with the fact that you just wasted 8 years of your life on this shit show that ruined 8 season in 20 seconds.

My gf and I are laughing at you.

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How does it feel to know that Arya will be the one to take the Iron Throne?

The past few seasons she has progressively needed Tyrion and others to reign her in on her decisions.

>Tyrion had to tell her not to kill everyone when they first arrived at her family keep.
>She burned Sams brother and father to death without mercy. She could have imprisoned all that didn't bend the knee she is progressively getting more blood thirsty.
>She knows that Sansa and John just want to be left alone in the North, and could just let them be in their frozen wasteland, they don't want the throne but she is apparently going to force them to either bend the knee or die.
She is going mad with power, it's subtle and you have to watch how she has no mercy, like Cerci, and unlike John.

I don't even care that it was her that killed him, the execution was just one of the worst the things I ever watched on a TV show. She literally jumps out of nowhere like a Naruto character, and then he just stands still until she does the dumb trick. Fucking awful.

so much this, I have no problem with Arya being the greatest warrior in Westeros, I have a problem with lazy fucking cliche-ridden plotting turning what has been touted as the ultimate enemy into a mediocre villain of the week

trust me, they haven't been, every dumb decision they've made has been because they are dumb

do we have confirmation it's Grums plan? in the books there is no talk of a night king just "the great other" and a punch of azor ahai prophecies and shit, none of which really point to this.

This cunt was a fucking lich.

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you're a hack and a retad

if she hadn't rezzed jon westeros would've been overrun. she did something useful

This. In fact, while her dueling Brienne really pissed me off, the fact they had her do that bullshit made me feel like it’d be double bullshit if you don’t have your anime ninja gank the irresistible big bad.

I feel like the undead in the presence of the Night King are demonstrably shittier. The Walker that heard her didn’t intercept because that near the NK, he’s basically a glorified pair of ears.
Or maybe the NK wanted to smug at her too.

Strange. Did John had a phylactery too (in the D&D sense)?

Danny was always obviously a very conceited character and in the latter seasons she became outright psychopathic monomaniac (Iron Throne or else).

It's pretty obvious, her fans just deny that.

This is easily the dumbest, most precious reason to be annoyed. Frankly Jon fucking up and being unimportant to the battle is extremely on brand for that smoothbrain.

Back to your crayons, trenchbrain.

literally joffrey hired the assassin and gave him the dagger. He did it because he overheard his father king robert (or who he thought his father was) say "someone should put the poor boy out of his misery". The dagger belonged to king robert.

showfag

But user, the show is the official canon. The books are really a rough draft at this point.

>there and back again tale.
THE WHOLE POINT OF GOT IS IT ISN'T THAT SAME OLD TOLKIEN BULLSHIT THAT'S BEEN DONE A MILLION TIMES

but we've had 7+ seasons showing why she would be a terrible queen

I don't have a problem with Arya killing the Night King. I think Jaime would have been a better choice but Arya is not the worst choice.

The problem is HOW she killed him.

>inb4 Cersei will stuck a shard of dragon glass into her heart
>youtube.com/watch?v=C9EWKRDAFXM&t=52

>all hints at who Azor Ahai would be are totally not applicable to Arya

>Melisandre foresaw that Arya would be the one to kill the Night King yet continued to follow Stannis around like he would be Azor Ahai for 3 seasons.

>GRRM martins set this up
GRRM has never even written in the night king as a character

Fuck all you soys, it shouldn't have been goblina. She had nothing to do with the night king.

better question is: since mel rezzed jon, shouldn't jon be dead as well if mel is?

How it should have gone.
Army fights at winterfell, using sound tactics they defeat a good number of wights, still takes heavy losses, and is humans pushed back to the keep. Many losses, Jamie badly wounded dies next episode in brienne's arms. Missandei, Podric, Theon and Jorah die, jon is heavily wounded and falls into a coma, nk was not at the battle,only part of the ww army was present at winterfell, last shot is of snowfall at the redkeep

Episode 4 they fall back to Dragon Stone. Its going to be sieged by Cersei and the Iron fleet and Gold Company. Euron finds out Iron Islands are lost. Daenerys is starting to become erratic and hostile to the Stark people, Greyworm is only one left to protect her and he has lost focus because of Missandei's death. Jamie dies. Arya, Clegane and Gendry and a few others sneak into Kings landing before Dragonstone is sieged. Cleganebowl, Arya kills Cersei with dagger. Ellyria Sand is found alive in the dungeon. Part way through the siege Euron finds out Cersei died and Iron islands were lost, he goes to take them back. Littlefinger faked his death, and takes over the Errye. Night King shows up south of the Twins.

Ep5 Remains of Westeros armies fight Night King. Jon wakes up and is Azor Ahai, kills Night king after epic battle. Bran helps with Tree magic. Baric dies. Euron dies in Iron islands. Varyis and Littlefinger kill each other off by proxy.

Ep 6 epilogue. Jon is king and kills Daenerys or they co rule. Tyrion end up with Sansa in Westerlands. Sam named new ruler of HighGarden. Lyanna Mormont is new warden of the north. Edmure Riverlands. Robin Arryn Erye. Ellria Sand Dorne. Yara Iron Islands. Arya and Gendry new rulers of the Stormlands.

My thing at least respects the prophesy, and all the foreshadowing

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Nah she stole Jon's or Bran's kill. It sucked. Her getting that close also made no sense. Hardcore fans can't even believe that NK's end was so underwhelming that they really think he's coming back. Please have sex

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have sex you disgusting incels, this episode was BASED, redpilled and intended from Book 1 by the main man himself.

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presumably her magic is derived from the lord of light and not just simple necromancy

Pretty much this. I said this earlier, I'm saying it now. Her story arc was meant for this. Even if the execution wasn't totally flawless, the narrative said it would be her. Lackwits and Dothraki presumed it would be Jon.

WAS GETTING CAUGHT PART OF BRAN’S PLAN?

You shut your goblin mouth

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>death cult assassin vs. undead pretender at the same role
It’s thematically obvious, frankly, and every capefag who wanted fucks-everything-up-Jonny to superduel the Smug King set up their own disappointment.

You people are retarded and will believe anything.

>stole Jon’s or Bran’s kill
Literally was never gonna happen in Subversion of Thrones. Expecting it is the height of folly.
>NK’s end was so underwhelming
Second verse, same as the first. The show’s called Game of Thrones, not 28 Winters Later. He was always an appetizer to the Big C.

>will believe anything
In this fictional show with transparent theming and agendas? Yep, I “believed” Arya would kill the NK for awhile now. I guess a galaxy brain like yourself can comfort the butthurt with fanfiction, the last resort of all bitches.

They should have had to remove/destroy the dragonglass that the children of the forest embedded into his chest.

Could have made him immune to everything but his own WW ice weapons. Have a dramatic scene or two where characters die attempting to kill him fire/dragonglass/valyrian steel before they figure out his weakness.

You're watching fan fiction, dumb nigger.

Nope, I’m watching the official canon since your fat fuck pitchman will never finish his rough draft.

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Official can fiction, yes.

Looks up at the night king "Your a cold guy"

i would actually like this if it happened but better than you said

>Sends calvary straight out at the advancing enemy at the start of the battle

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Can someone post the live reaction guy

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>I figured she took the face from a wight

And just how would she do that? To kill em you stab em with dragon glass, they fucking shatter..soo..then what? She manhandled one down and skinned his face while he fought back? Then slipped away to go kill the NK?

Think..

doing what we expected would've been the ultimate subversion tho

midget became a bottom tier character after this episode
he's lower in plot armor than podrick

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Not all wights shatter to bones when stabbed. Some of them just collapse like corpses

>
I dont understand the related pic, doesn't she choose honor?She gets the training yeah, but she beats them with her own philosophy of honor.

How should the story have ended, how would it have been better?

the writers literally said they didn't decide who would kill the night king until 3 years ago. this is just finding things retroactively to fit it after they shit the bed

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Even disregarding arya there is fucking plenty wrong with the episode, starting with the dothraki retard charge

B-BUT MUH BLUE EYES GETTING SHUT

Coolest thing to be would have been:
>Night King catches Arya
>snaps her neck
>kills Bran
>raises them and Theon and leaves
>episode over

No, if she hadn't rezzed Jon the White Walkers never would've gotten past the wall in the first place

I'm honestly more pissed that apparently killing the Night King means the whole army dies with him.

Like why the fuck is this allowed?

The Night King isn't even in the books. Instead we're going to have Euron "Cthulu Fhtagn" Greyjoy. Can't believe showfaqs are so assblasted they're going to such lengths to justify Azor Arya.

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To all got bookfags saying the books will be different, no they wont
Dabid and Dennis know the outline of how George wanted to end the series, yes there are going to be some changes to how the books would go if GRRM would ever finish them (he wont) but it will be the same. He gave them his outline and they are pretty much following it.

To all you bookfags who are waiting for some juicy white walker lore, why do you think you get any lore on them. GRRM has the most shallow lore you could come up with. People only think the lore of asoiaf is any good because GRRM is incredibly vague with a lot of his world building so it leaves a lot to the imagination. He does not have 100 pages of notes on that one lost city in Sothoryos, what he wrote about it is all there is. The rabid asoiaf fandom has hyped up the lore to way beyond what it is, its so vague that you can make these elaborate theories of what it could all mean. Do you really think he spent much time thinking about all this?

All you are gonna get if he ever finishes his series is maybe one chapter where bran looks into the land of always winter and youll see like an ice building where some white wlakers live. Seriosuly, his series is so hyped up, when you really look at what he has put down on paper, its fucking garbage. The fan theories are what hypes it up, not what hes actually written.

TO remind any book fag who disagrees with, remember what littlefingers grand reason was for helping to kill Joffrey? It was to be unpredictable to his opponents. Yes, GRRM is not clever, that is his what he is, stop reading fan theories about asoiaf, its just going to go nowhere.

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This it makes no sense.

Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.
No ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no general should fight a battle simply out of pique.
If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are.
Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content.
But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life.
Hence the enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution. This is the way to keep a country at peace and an army intact.

113854176
Imagine spending time writing all that shit.

>>"arya suddenly appears 10 feet in the air above the night king and then does that move from that anime I saw"
So before that "anime I saw", the move didn't exist? No one ever thought of doing that in the history of knives? Sure kid. Whatever you say.
It's really funny how so many people got upset about the move.

just because he didnt got introduced yet dumbfuck. All those 10 IQ bookreaders unable to comprehend that the nightking also exist in the books.

>this is something that GRRM had planned since he started writing the first book
NK doesn't exist in the book, you larping showfag. Way to make another GoT thread for this worthless post. OP is a complete faggot.

So does Arya learn this move from the Waif or does this confirm that Arya is the Waif?

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>they are pretty much following it
Well then where the fuck is JonCon? If they really merged his character with Jorah Mormont, why didn't Jorah invade the Stormlands way back when Daenarys was still back in Slaver's Bay shitting her pants? Oh right, because the show is fanfic.
>He does not have 100 pages of notes on that one lost city in Sothoryos
Don't need it. We all ready know what it's about. There's a mysterious magic that kills everything around it and it's made of an oily black stone. It's the same as Asshai but with dengue fever. This shit all goes back to the first emperors of Yi Ti. It's cool world building and it explains a lot as it is. Read TWoIaF. It's really good.
>littlefinger
Yeah he was a heartbroken maniac, so what?
>stop reading fan theories
It's all canon. Everything is right there in the books and the community is really good at slamming down tin-foil conspiracies. We know our known knowns and our known unknowns very well. Speculation on complete unknowns get shut down almost immediately.

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>Jon and NK 1v1
>battle is evenly matched until Jon lands a supposed decisive blow with Longclaw
>NK doesnt turn to ice and shatter and instead smiles and smacks jon around
>Jon deduces that it would take more than valyrian steel to kill the NK and might need Dragon fire
>NK and Jon meet blows and NK has the upper hand even moments away from killing Jon
>Dany lands with Drogon and looks in worry and despair on Jon
>Jon lands a stab on the Night King, pinning him and gives her a nod to just "do it", planning to take the NK with him with Dragonfire
>Jon lands another blow just as Dany engulfs both Jon and NK in dragonfire
>NK is defeated
>Jon is revealed to be unharmed by the fire with Longclaw still on fire
>Dany is convinced that Jon is indeed the last dragon's son

kinda like building robb stark up and killing them all off in the red wedding?

Why the fuck would anyone want Ellaryia Sand to still be alive?

the fucking mental gymnastics some people do to justify their support for shitty writing, or this is just a shill thread, as you're argument seem to be the one that's being pushed heavily by D&D, news flash if you have to tell people that it was all foreshadowing, you're not doing your job as a writer.

I dont. But I tried to balance it out all the character arcs to something meaningful, and tried to reason who would be lord of each region. After thinking on it more Bron could end up running Dorne and just have hot women on him at the end.

Would have final battle likely at kings landing.

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Reasons why i decided this. Jamie said he wanted to die in the arms of the Woman he loves. Should be after the battle in the North, would be good if Cersei could see it. Jorah should die because its a significant battle, Greyworm should live, because he has a romance with Missandei and is the last fighter of Daenerys. An arc of him trying to protect Daenerys while being emotional would be a good move for his character. Maybe from the Winterfell battle needed a better reason to be there, maybe Bran summons a children of the forest shield or awakens more powers.

Having a small force left, they would return to were its save, Dragonstone. Good option for use of Iron fleet and siege. Arya's arc should end with killing Cersei, because she was top of her list and that is where her character should have gone.

Littlefinger being back and him and Varyis killing each other by proxy would be cool, because they were manipulating most the people the whole time to get what they wanted.

Jon as Azor and with Magic Bran and two possible dragons in a city battle would be cool.

The rest I tried to figure who was alive from each region that they could actually put in place to be a lord.

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Arya should be preggers with Gendry kid. Sansa decieds she is happy with Tryion and they also have a kid. Maybe Jon and Daenerys have mostly incest kid, if she isnt killed off in my purposed version of how this should have gone. Then it foreshadowing that every one is going to be fighting again in the future

Its also established the power of her assassins lines in the careful removal of a face and using those faces to do the actual assassinations. Then that is thrown away also the night king should likely see thru that even if she did it that way because he could raise the dead and has similar power to bran. Those faces technically are the dead

>people keep calling the Arya scene "anime shit"
Anime is better wrtten than this shit