AVENGERS: ENDGAME Writers Q&A

Some interesting stuff.

nytimes.com/2019/04/29/movies/avengers-endgame-questions-and-answers.html

>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.

>Smart Hulk was supposed to happen during the Battle of Wakanda in Infinity War, but it did not feel right to have Banner have an up when everybody else was down. They really struggled with how to present it in Endgame and wrote several drafts with “lab scenes” showing how Bruce did before ultimately deciding to just jump right into and use Ant-Man as an audience surrogate in “WTF is going on?”

>They left Hawkeye out of Infinity War because they felt “leaving his family to fight” was too much of a retread of his Civil War arc. The scene of his family being dusted was also planned for Infinity War to show the global effect of the snap, but the Russos decided it undermined the urgency of what was going on in Wakanda.

>They originally planned for Thor to be on a “mssion of vengeance” in Endgame, but felt that was just retreading old ground and decided to instead completely drive Thor up the wall by making him a fat drunk. They consider the post-snap state of all survivors a worst-case-scenario type of “What If…?” story.

>The Living Tribunal was going to appear during the Battle of Titan in Infinity War but everyone thought he was too out there without proper context.

>They were reluctant to revisit The Avengers because it seemed “too pander-y”. There were drafts where they would get both the Aether and the Tesseract from The Dark World-era Asgard. Stark would go there in a stealth suit that makes him invisible, but Heimdall would be able to see him and they would fight; Thor and Jane Foster would have a long conversation.

>There were drafts where they would go to The Winter Soldier-era Triskelion, and then someone would steal a car to go to the Sanctum Sanctorum.

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>There were drafts where they would go to Morag prior to Guardians of the Galaxy and the planet would be underwater and swept by thunderstorms, but that was too big a setpiece and didn’t serve much narrative purpose because 2014 Thanos couldn’t find out about them.

>Some versions had the 2012 Avengers butting heads with either Nick Fury or Maria Hill over Loki’s jurisdiction, in case Robert Redford couldn’t return.

>The final battle was originally much longer, with its own three-act structure.

>They considered having Pym and Janet join the fight in their own OG Ant-Man and Wasp suits, but that fell by the wayside.

>They envisioned a scene where the battle briefly gets paused for whatever reason, and an assorted of roughly 18 random characters from all corners of the MCU end up together in this trench awkwardly trying to figure out what their next battle move should be, but even they felt it sucked and wasn’t funny.

>Some drafts had Hawkeye die and Black Widow survive.

>They always planned to kill Stark, since he already got to enjoy the retired life he always wanted with Pepper and their daughter during the time skip, and it was thematically fitting to close that chapter of the MCU.

>They always planned to retire Cap rather than kill him, and let him have his dance with Peggy, but him actually going back in time to do it came a little later, and they were concerned it was too fanservice-y.

>The view Cap’s and Tony’s endgames as a reversal of who they started out as: Cap was selfless and self-sacrificial, and learned to put himself first a little. Tony was selfish and self-centered, and learned to be truly selfless.

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>The Living Tribunal was going to appear during the Battle of Titan in Infinity War but everyone thought he was too out there without proper context.

Fuck what normies are able to handle, they should've gone full cosmic with Thanos fighting abstract cosmic entities.

I knew that battle felt short. They really could have done a 5 hour movie with no issue.

>The final battle was originally much longer, with its own three-act structure.
It was a bit to short. Hopefully it's longer in an extended edition.

Do mcu films even do extended cuts?

Nah, but they usually do deleted scenes.

I would have actually preferred it cut into two movies so its a trilogy. With End Game focusing more on the time travel stuff and the end could be at the point where the hulk snaps but instead of Thanos just coming in and bombing them, they find out through evil nebula some how that thanos is returning. This way you have a whole movie to properly build up and anticipate an epic battle scene.

People might have complained. They even ditched the Infinity War Part 1/Infinity War Part 2 structure after Mockingjay bombed.

>They originally planned for Thor to be on a “mssion of vengeance” in Endgame, but felt that was just retreading old ground and decided to instead completely drive Thor up the wall by making him a fat drunk.

legitimately would have preferred him be written out

Past butchering his entire development, he was horrifically unfunny

well it wouldn't be promoted as cut in two, just give them each a different name, the first one could be Avengers Aftermath, and then Avengers End Game.

Fun Fact: No one working on this movie cares and no one watching this movie gives a shit.

>butchering his entire development,

It didn't, though.

literally acting like an insane person on the Guardian ship at the end so it did for me

fuck goofy Thor and fuck anyone who likes him

>The final battle was originally much longer, with its own three-act structure.
Motherfucker, this would've been so much fucking better and maybe we could've seen what War Machine was actually doing.

Thor was a boring character in his first few movies, and only got better after dark world with each iteration

He is the best thing from this movie, fuck YOU

He was dying what he always does, flying around shooting folks.

Going from "smiling pretty boy" to "wacky goofball" to "vengeful blood knight" to "babbling hobo" isn't a solid arc

yes it is

yeah bro I love watching characters turn into whatever the fuck screenwriters think will get the most laughs at a moment's notice

>they refrained from doing things they felt were too "pander-y" or "fanservice-y"
>STRONK WOMYN AVENGIES SAVE THE DAY scene was okay though

jesus

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No they don't

They also thought that could have been too pander-y but ultimately decided it was worth it to highlight how many strong female characters the MCU has.

>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.
lol. they understand time travel as much as a toddler. fucking retards

Are you seriously that retarded? The movie even throws it in your face. Thor learned he doesn't have to be a perfect God destined for greatness. He can live happily any way he wants, as himself.

They do, there are a bunch of Iron Man, Avengers and GotG deleted scenes online.

The Russos are the only one who hardly produce deleted scenes because they trim as much as possible before shooting.

Surely you, anonymous shitposter of Yea Forums, has a better grasp of temporal physics than those losers with their faggy PhDs.

>Going from "smiling pretty boy" to "wacky goofball" to "vengeful blood knight" to "babbling hobo" isn't a solid arc

Yooooo

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Physicists who entertain the possibility of time travel in any capacity should be sent to a gulag.

If the living tribunal appeared he would have kicked Thanos dick in without breaking a sweat, can't have that happen.

>Ragnarok Thor
>Ragnarok the movie
>good in any capacity
would rather watch soocide skuad again instead

so if it Thor was a struggling transvetite through the movie and the movie ended with him getting a sex change, you would have been fine with it?

fuck off

You don't remember when he walked into a pet store and demanded a dog large enough to ride?

the only thing from all of those listed that I would like to have seen (unless it wasn't a giant guy with three heads)

>Thor has his Mjollnir surgically re-oriented into a Stormbreaker

YASS

He should have remained as the vengeful blood knight. Loved him in Ragnarok and IW. Twilight of the thunder god Ragnarok awaits

I would have liked it if they made him so consumed with vengeance that he becomes a 90s anti-hero, except, unlike Clint, he fundamentally doesn't have the heart for that darkness, so he just comes off as a Sonic OC towards everyone else. You could keep the comedy routine without fucking all the past development out of there

glad you see it my way

your argument doesn't even make any sense at this point

why not just watch a comedy

so you wanted him to basically stay the same

Woops. This post is for

This
the action was light as fuck in this movie

Thor was always fucked. He oscillates from depression to heroic states, very boring.

>Implying Thor won't be returning to his IW chad form in Asguardian of the galaxy 3

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>>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.
Do people understand that time travel is purely a fictitious concept and has no basis in reality? A physicist is as much of an authority on time travel as my dentist, who cares
This reminds me of Paul Feige talking about how they consulted a physicist from MIT to make sure the proton packs in Ghostbusters 2016 were "scientifically accurate"

>Tony was selfish and self-centered, and learned to be truly selfless.
Wasn't that his character by the end of Iron Man 1, it didn't exactly take 11 years to get there

I'm presuming he would have appeared only to Dr Strange when he was in that trance looking into the future. Anything else would have tipped the scales against Thanos too much.

Iron Man 1 literally ends with him taking credit for everything and using his heroism to bolster his celebrity

Why the hell didn't we get a Hulk vs Thanos rematch? I would have bet 100 dollars if you asked me if they are gonna fight again but then they never even interacted! WTF?! Not a single short fight between them during the final battle!

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>literally give a terrorist his home address because he got kinda angry, putting his girlfriend and civilians in harms way

He's more entertaining than any DC character.

PERIOD.

i woulda killed for a
>hulk snaps
>thanos shows up
>thanos standing in the rubble
>main avengers standing ready to fight
>professor hulk says something like "no, hes mine"
>kicks thanos' ass for 10 minutes straight even with 1 arm gimped
>thanos calls in troops and hulk gets distracted and has to help fight the armies

Iron Man 1 is just him learning to not be a complete monster and developing a little empathy. He basically ends every subsequent movie (except Civil War I guess) being a little less selfish than he was at the beginning.

Hulk is fundamentally a boring character. I don't even know what you could do with him at this point.

>hulk didnt even get he chance to fight thanos again
Movie sucked bro

A rematch fight against Thanos.

Captain Cunt stole his scene, they literally replaced him. It wouldn't surprise me if there were storyboards of Hulk stalling Thanos' new snap and then blown the fuck away with the power stone.

Thor lost everyone important to him, his home world, and felt personally responsible for the Snap given that he failed to kill Thanos in time. He's not acting insane at this point. He is legitimately out of his mind

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Jim Starlin said that Marvel Studios is hesitant on including abstract cosmic entities because they're not so sure how the general audiences are going to take it, once they do more Doctor Strange movies then maybe we'll get stuff like The Living Tribunal and Eternity and stuff like that

kino

>not so sure how the general audiences are going to take it

Just show Silver Surfer doing cool shit and they'll eat the rest of it up.

pottery

So Cap lived with Peggy in an alternate timeline? In that case, how was old Cap able to get back to the main timeline?

>>They left Hawkeye out of Infinity War because they felt “leaving his family to fight” was too much of a retread of his Civil War arc. The scene of his family being dusted was also planned for Infinity War to show the global effect of the snap, but the Russos decided it undermined the urgency of what was going on in Wakanda.
a cut to hawkeye eating breakfast with his family and his wife and kids turning to dust would have been fucking kino, they really should have kept that in.

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Quite based. Although they fucked up Thor and Hulk when it comes to pottery. They both got jobbed

Where is Adam?

all the Jack Kirby cosmic characters aren't even that "high concept" they all just absorb KirbyDots™ and blast out generic energy beams.

I'm kind of disappointed they didn't decide to go to Xandar to get the Power Stone there, that'd have been an occasion to show them being curbstomped by Thanos 5 minutes before Infinity War

Terrible use of this gif. It's proper pottery

Time Travel opens the door for:

>Kang
>Fantastic Four
>Doom and his 'fuck you I do what I want' time machine
>Annihilus and the Negative Zone
>The White Event / New Universals
>The Beyonder noticing things or Beyonders if they use Hickman
>Phase Whatever ends with Secret Wars and a hard reset for the MCU while also making it easy to integrate the XMen and others.

Feige is a clever guy.

That chick is ridiculously cute. Holy fuck

Wait why did the snap kill Tony? Hulk already did the snap to bring everybody back. Did Tony snap to kill Thanos and his forces? That killed him? You can't even compare that to the other kind of snap. I'm pretty sure that the good guys would have won without the snap at that point. Am I missing something?

quit asking dude, the only answer you'll get is lol just turn off your brain bro

>mfw

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>Time Travel opens the door for:
It also opens the door to tons of plotholes, lazy writing, and just boring storytelling.
The time travel aspect was the worst part of End Game.

and the Negative Zone opens the door for Blue Marvel.

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All the character arc stuff were fine desu, the structure of the movie itself just needed a bit more work.

>the only answer you'll get is lol just turn off your brain bro
That answer I never got.
I got a lot of "It makes sense, dummy!" and "They shouldn't have to spoonfeed you everything!"

Bros.....
Why did doctor strange point up? I didnt get it. What did he mean by that?

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Why didn't hulk snap once to both bring everyone back and defeat thanos and his forces? lame ass limited-infinity gauntlet.

Thor laboring under extreme survivor's guilt is perfectly reasonable given how much he's lost. He tried to bounce back by going after Thanos and blew it, sinking into an alcoholic stupor afterward.

>post credit scene
>super close-up of Strange's face
>he opens his eyes
>he's on Titan levitating
>"I just looked into 14 million possible futures. I know what we need to do."
>cut to black as the Avengers theme plays
>text reads "You will return for the next Avengers movie"

>entire film was pretty much just a dream so they can make even more money

he didnt know they were there you fucking retard
Go and see the movie because you obviously havent

He meant "one". As in, "we're in the one timeline where we win you have to do anything you can to not fuck it up".

Sorry your DC movies sucks so bad.

I don't get it

Steppenwolf wants his Marthabox.

cap is selfless and Tony is Selfish, they both are extremes on the scale. Throughout the movie (and their series I guess) they sort of learn to enjoy the other side and they trade roles by the end. Tony sacrificing himself for others and Cap spending his life for himself.

This.

Unlike DC’s brilliance which is only apparent to the highest of intellects. Lol!!

Tony sacrifices himself and Rogers is proven to be worthy of Mjolnir, something that doesn't "come out of a bottle" but is a measure of your character.

i was hoping Prof Hulk learned MMA

He still had the means to come back since he was expected, could sell the idea to Pym at any time, probably could receive help from Howard and Tony, and so on.

Anyone else think it was a bit awkward that bruce was in hulk mode at tony's funeral? Like nigga you couldnt have turned back to normal for this?

The living Tribunal is so far above the other cosmic entities, he didn't even consider Thanos a threat.
Basically he just said
>"This sounds like a YOU problem."
That being said, I'd have like to see him and other cosmic entities.

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So remember how Thor's entrance in Wakanda was the big OMGYES! moment of Infinity War?

What would you say was that moment for Endgame?

Cap wielding Mjolnir?
The portals opening revealing everybody?
Laser Larson showing up during the final battle?

He can't turn back. The fusion is permanent.

>Laser Larson showing up during the final battle?

Imagine how much better that moment would have been if that bitch wasn't so fucking unlikeable.

>He still had the means to come back since he was expected, could sell the idea to Pym at any time, probably could receive help from Howard and Tony, and so on.
Lots of fan theory nonsense here, but ok, lets go with that.
Still doesn't explain how he got back to the MAIN timeline.
You have to "return" on some kind of time travel pad or Scott Lang's van in the MAIN timeline. So how did old Cap return to the main timeline? Who activated the pad/van to bring him back? How would they even know to turn it on to tether him back in?
Makes no sense.
If Old Cap came out of the Hulk's time travel pad at the end, it would make a lot of sense.

>OMGYES! moment

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The heroes arriving through the portals would be the it in theory, but I've seen the movie twice and Cap wielding Mjolnir always gets the biggest reaction.

fuck off faggot

Of course, of course... of course.

lmao what are you mongoloids even doing in this thread?

That's with anything

The whole "Avengers Assemble!" scene

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I didn't mind Thor acting like that but the scene felt so forced in terms of Quill being insecure. What, he's not gonna laugh and call thor a fat fuck or something? He was jealous of thor's muscles in the first place in IW but now he's a mess, and Quill doesn't bring this up?
Did they really go out of their way to avoid fatshaming lmao

>OMGYES! moment of Infinity War?

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thanks for the spoilered greentext, but the link really is worth clicking. lots more info.

this

>That's with anything
Not really. A show that is just a time travel show/movie can be fun. Even a Star Trek ep that is well written for just one or a few eps can be good.
But ending your 10 year franchise with time travel nonsense is fucking stupid. Doesn't help that they wrote the time travel shit with tons of plotholes.

But they did fat shame and it was terrible. War Machine just comes off as a huge asshole. He has nothing nice to say to anyone and his "quips" are just insults. He made fun of Thor's weight at the worst possible time, when Thor is having a mental break down with tears in his eyes. The guy just comes off as a cunt.

>tons of plotholes
brainlet detected

>OMGYES

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see

No but he had the very same development in the first Avengers.

>Star Trek
Did you not see the next gen finale?

Things not shown are not plotholes. How did they get to restaurant to have breakfast with Hulk???? PLOTHOLES!!

Yeah I felt like Thor's fatassery wasn't explored deep enough.

>Things not shown are not plotholes.
I agree, but EXPLAIN to me how it happened. How was old Cap able to get back to the MAIN timeline.
> How did they get to restaurant to have breakfast with Hulk????
They all got in a text group chat and said "lets meet at the diner at noon." Then they got in their cars and met at the diner and had breakfast.
Now you explain to me the timeline shit.

Last time this poster had sex: N/A

>be me
>sitting on the porch trying to eat a taco
>blue space woman shows up and calls me an idiot for no reason
>rhodey arrives
>oh hey man hows it g-
>ReGuLaR sIzEd MaN!!
My boy scott just couldn't get a fucking break this entire movie

Steve have his Time GPS bracelet, a quantum suit, pym particles and access to Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Doctor Strange, Hope and Shuri. It's fiction, time travel doesn't exist for real. It easy to come up with ways Steve could have come back

So how was the sun out at the same time in Los Angeles and Africa when everyone was dusted?

>It easy to come up with ways Steve could have come back
Then explain ONE WAY.
Yes, he had all that other stuff in HIS ALTERNATE TIMELINE, but how did he get back to the MAIN TIMELINE to give Sam the Shield? It's IMPOSSIBLE. Someone in the MAIN timeline would have had to know he wanted to return and activated the time pad/Scott's Van. Since old Cap had no way of communicating with anyone from the main timeline, this is an impossible scenario.
If old Cap had shown up in the time pad when Hulk brought him back, it would be ok. But that didn't happen.
Again, you're just excusing poor writing with fanboy logic and nonsense theories.

>tfw said that after this movie this was gonna be it for me, i wouldn't watch any more capeshit now that everyone i like's story is done
>watch the movie
>they couldn't let Thor go like all the other avengers after Ragnarok was a big hit and now i'm gonna have to go and see Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Every time i think im out i just get pulled back in

Yeah but then
>the Incredible Hulk offers you a taco
>the Incredible Hulk is visibly content giving up his taco to you
>you can now eat and enjoy your taco in peace and good consience

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>tell me about her
>no i don't think i will
Why was cap being an autist?

I asked myself the same question than you.
The only way I see to explain it is that the timeline of Endgame and the timeline of Winter Soldier are differents.

Kek, not what I meant to post

if the main time could develop a "one way" ticket, so could the alternate timeline. i'm not sure why this concept is confusing to you.

>if the main time could develop a "one way" ticket, so could the alternate timeline.
But when/where did old Cap return to in the MAIN timeline? And how did he do it? Who flipped the switch for the time pad/Scott's Van?

imagine being this butthurt by that scene

which serve to do jackshit since the heavy involvement of pre-rendered cgi means you can't envision it beyond what it is, a deleted scene rather than a potential movie scene

A gentleman doesn't expose his wife's intimacy.

I really liked this movie but I feel like it would have been better if Thanos had swung his sword down at Carol and she tried to facetank it like she does everything but instead it split her completely in half from head to cunt and then Thanos kicked one of the bisected halves out of the way while heading for the gauntlet.

I'm not butthurt, just in disbelief that the people involved in making the movie had any awareness of things coming off as too pander-y, considering a scene like that still made the cut.

War Machine landed, scared Scott, and made fun of him.
Scott threw a TRUCK FULL OF JET FUEL at War Machine.

Did someone ask them what the fuck was with all of the product placement and cheap references?

He thought it was a water truck!

>"THANOS CAN'T SNAP MORE RESOURCES!"
Thanos: "I will snap and create a new universe".
Whaaa?

Great pottery and all that, but Steve's diss to Tony is literally resolved at the end of the same movie when he flies the nuke through the wormhole despite thinking he wouldn't make it back to Earth.

so true, it's like they expended all their energy into not pandering, developed amnesia from the strain of not pandering and still fucking pandered

Probably creating a new universe with different physical constants requires less power than entirely changing an existing one with countless of life forms.

No one did because he used another way that didn't require the time pad.. maybe. Why would using let's say a quantum tunnel from his timeline and entering the quantum realm and with the help of some new tech he couldn't warp to the main timeline? Please explain to me using your very real and serious theories on time travel.

Tony is initially so terrified of the potential consequences of time travel he won't even consider it. Yet in the end not only does he personally create two huge paradoxes/timelines completely changing the events of Thor 2/3 GotG 1/2 and all of IW, he completely doesn't care about it to the point he doesn't even mention freeing Loki with an infinity gem to cap, and they don't even discuss trying to fix it.

They created an entire new UNIVERSE. With completely unknown events within that universe.

In fact they create at least four; Loki escaping, Nebula killing herself, Gamora alive again and never joining the guardians, and Thanos dying before the events in Infinity War and a half dozen other major plots he was involved in.

They potentially either created paradoxes so bad all of reality might fracture, or universes with much worse events the snap. Does Quill even stop Ego if he never meets Gamora and Nebula? If he doesn't that's worse than the snap right there. Worst pre-redemption version of Loki free with an infinity stone? They act like these things are trivial.

Maybe the NYT should have asked why Tony didn't care he fucked an entire universe's timeline by setting Loki free with an infinity stone and just casually travels to 1960 instead of worrying about it.

>113838998
>Nebula killing herself, Gamora alive again and never joining the guardians, and Thanos dying before the events in Infinity War

That's only one alternate timeline.

There's four timeline at the end :
>Main timeline
>Loki timeline
>Thanos and nebula dead/gamora missing timeline
>Cap shagging Hayley Atwell timeline

You guys are assuming that old Alzheimers Peggy isn't the same Peggy Cap was with.
She had Alzheimers at that point.
We never see her husband. Or her kids.
just her niece.
You're assuming her family photos and stories weren't just a cover the whole time.
The purpose of returning the stones was to erase all the alternate timelines

It was confirmed by the director cap lived with Peggy in an alternate timeline

That would make a closed cycle and the movie said that's not how timetravel works

>Cap from the main timeline cucked a frozen Cap from another timeline

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I should add this also assumes Cap cleans up mistakes like Loki getting the tesserect, etc
And assumes Iron Man's final use was just to make it as if Thanos never came through the portal.

Don't those new universes get reset into the mainline universe when they return the stones? As in Loki escaping doesn't matter since they go back even further, then return the stone pushing that new time line back in line with the original.

Every single thing they did potentially created a new timeline. Like if at the start of Thor 2 a talking raccoon showed up and jabbed a dying Jane Foster in the butt with a space syringe and she was suddenly cured and then mjolnir went missing and then suddenly captain America showed up and jabbed Jane with syringe and re-gave her space cancer and returned mjolnir that he was holding I feel like it would be odd enough to maybe change how the storyline played out.

I'm pretty sure that only confirms that Thanos is just insane and using le well intentioned extremist as a way to excuse his insanity

source? genuinely curious

>Implying he didn't unfrozen Cap and tag-teamed Peggy

Those bottom pics are /wg/ worthy.

>The Living Tribunal was going to appear during the Battle of Titan in Infinity War but everyone thought he was too out there without proper context.
Motherfucker

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yeah yeah, reddit, calm the fuck down.

He's starred in some good comics. Hulk: The End is good. Planet Hulk is a cheesy and flawed but ultimately good comic with some fun worldbuilding that isn't too proud of itself to be enjoyable. Thor and Captain America are much harder to find good comics for. Iron Man too.

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That's not what happens though. They go back and steal the space stone from 1960, then immediately return it, then shield uses it in propulsion experiments in 1990 and gives Carol her powers, then Loki and Thanos use it to invade earth, then because Hulk had to take them stairs Loki steals it and escapes.

Nothing they did changed that event or reset it. They never even tried to.

I agree with you.

I didn't hate it, but I dislike that it was YOU GO GRRL, WOMEN SAVE THE DAY.

Like, I get why Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch are part of leading the charge against Thanos. Captain Marvel is strong enough to get into a straight slugfest with him to an extent and Scarlet Witch is strong enough to nearly kill him by herself. But what the fuck were Pepper and Wakanda Woman doing there? Pepper in particular would just get her face crushed like a grape by Thanos just going anywhere near him.

thanks man

Quantum GPS

I have to say, i loved the movie. Maybe my expectations have been lowered by GOT being such a disappointment, but I thought this was actually the best MCU movie

Could just have come back earlier that day.
Or used the signature of his return bracelet as a mean to figure out which timeline he was to be sent back to. With a return bracelet to his now home timeline.
Of course all of that is assumptions. Someone should have asked durin the Q&A.
If I go full out of my ass, his arrival to the timeline he lived in with Peggy could mean a relative golden age with early contact to Asgard to kill Thanos before its too late, opening discussion and trade with Wakanda to obtain the highest tech level possible with all those eventual supergenius working together. And at some point he talks to Pym, Stark, Shuri, whoever else to talk them into a short trip to give the shield away since it serves no purpose anymore while the main timeline needs it for the strength of a symbol.

I mean...it was quite literally pandering.

Sorry I forgot my programming. YAAAAAS QUEENS!

>computer, invent time travel
>BEEP BEEP time travel invented
>hulk dabs
>Thor plays fortnite
>buy AUDI
This movie was such a mess holy fuck infinity war was so much better

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The whole point of an Iron Man comic now is to futher dig the trenches of his character for no real reason.

Tony being adopted was kind of stupid.
Civil War was full character assassination
Civil War II was an attempt to shoehorn Captain Marvel into the narrative.
Riri Williams as Iron Heart is the dumbest thing in the world.
Oh, and let's have Tony Stark fuck Mary Jane just for lulz.

It was easily Cap picking up the hammer. Everyone in the cinema gasped/cheered at that. No one gave a single fuck when Captain Marvel came back.

The portals opening was a pretty good scene too though desu.

>she was suddenly cured
They say in The Dark World that they can't just take the Aether out or Jane dies
Rocket doesn't give a shit about Jane
Jane dies in that timeline

Unless they can prove time travel. They're full of shit.

They explained in the movie that thats not how it works.

Every time something different happens a new branch is created, a new timeline.

The timeline where Loki took the stone now exists independently of the timeline where they go back even further to retrieve the stone and whatever happened from then on.

So if the directors already said Cap spent his life with Peggy in an alternate timeline then the only issue with the movie is Cap not showing up on the time machine and instead going to sit on a fucking bench for dramatic purposes.

Oh, welp.

This also means hydra never gets the stone, which means Quicksilver and Wanda never get created, which means Ultron never gets created, which Zarkovia never gets destroyed, which means Zemo's family isn't killed, which means the end of Civil War never happens, which means Cap and Tony never fight.

>Strange isn't it, one man's life touches so many other lives. You really had a wonderful life George

>Among the many realities in those 14 millions possible futures Doctor Strange foresee, the mouse failed to press button and thus the heroes failed in those futures.
>There is a guy called Maw in his army, he was a great wizard. Thanos himself was a brilliant genius as well. Those two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles
So, Strange bet the future of the universe in a fucking rat?

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So the avengers can not only time travel, but also teleport to wherever they want?

no one is butthurt, it was just like what someone here would post as a meme but it actually happened, my gf cringed hard at it too

>No one did because he used another way that didn't require the time pad.. maybe.
How convenient.
>Please explain to me using your very real and serious theories on time travel.
Because the movie established that SOMEONE is needed on the other side.
HULK was there at the van/pads.
Nebula brought in Thanos' ship
The mouse brought back Scott.
Scott was trapped when his parents disappeared.
You're answer is "herr derr it somehow happened!" Way to end your 10 year story arc for one of your main characters.

>Could just have come back earlier that day.
The time pad would have to be setup and someone would have to be using it on that end (ie, Hulk, Nebula, the fucking mouse)

I'll give you Cap and IM, but no one in their right mind would trade Thor's Rogues' gallery, supporting cast and world building for Hulk's.
One has everything and the other has pretty much nothing, that's why Hulk isn't even relevant to the plot in most of these movies.

>imagine being "this" butthurt
>they wrote two lines of greentext and said jesus

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>A FUCKING RAT

1. Even with consulting, they got it all wrong with a shit explanation.
2. Was a dumb idea to skip development with a time jump and then just ignore the entire Hulk dynamic of Infinity War
3. Leaving Hawkeye out of Infinity War was stupid
4. Post-Snap characters are all at their best, except for Thor. It was a reset and diservice to his character
5. Agreed, but would should have been included in Endgame
6. All drafts including revisiting the past were too pander-y and felt forced or boring
7. No point in any of these happening

8. It would have been visually more interesting than repeating the same shit over and over
9. The 2012 Avengers revisit felt like the Russo's wanking themselves off to how much people liked Winter Soldier
10. It should have been a longer fight
11. It should have happened
12. They stopped the battle for a female team-up, ball kicking joke and a hug it would not have felt out-of-place and would have included more characters
13. Further emphasis on the pointless nature of that scene/death
14. Hawkeye retired multiple times and still got to retire again after Endgame. Tony needed to die, but the excuse makes no sense
15. This character's ending was very fanservice-y and completely destroyed the narrative of the movie while ignoring the established set-up and events of previous films
16. They already did this same reversal prior. Iron Man became selfless and self-sacrificial in Iron Man 2/Avengers. Cap became selfish in Winter Soldier/Civil War

quantum plot armor

more powerful than any pitiful gauntlet

Depending on how you interpret it it's a
>time machine
>alternate reality access machine
>teleport anywhere on earth machine
>universe creation machine

>every promotional material shows him in his chad version from IW, including the credits
>nope, fuck you, he's a fat drunk now

It's like everytime they showed Thor from the torso down you were compelled to laugh at how ridiculous he looked, it's one of my few complaints from the movie

he was pointing at captain marvel
she was flying right above and you could see up her skirt

>she was flying right above and you could see up her skirt
She was wearing pants you incel.

this wouldn't be bad, aftermath could have been a short hour of just a few things like smart banner and Ronin. Endgame could have had a full 2 hour fight at the end which would have been really cool.

Anyone else feel like that moment Captain Marvel comes and blows up Thanos' ship should have been Galactus (or another cosmic entity) getting revenge on Thanos for destroying half of his food supply?

You didn't pay attention to the movie, did you?

that little bracelet is permalinked to the timeline he came from

or the timeline where he lived his life actually intersected and ended up exactly with the same timeline
so he just was hiding behind a tree until his old self warped then went and sat on the rock and waited

choose either

Amazing. Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

What is your specific complaint sir, I'll knock some sense into you.

>that little bracelet is permalinked to the timeline he came from
Fine.
But HE NEEDS SOMEONE TO BRING HIM BACK. He has to "come out" of a time travel pad or Scott's van, both of which need someone operating the machine.
>or the timeline where he lived his life actually intersected and ended up exactly with the same timeline
Nonsense.

>Russos needed physicists to tell them that movie time travel is stupid

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>>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.
no fucking shit

god I stopped reading the OP after this
people nowadays are braindead

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When they show Steve, he isn't 100 years old, hes 400 years old, and by that time humanity has perfected quantum travel thanks to Steve going back and making his own timeline after WW2 where he is able to advance humanity's technology thousands of times faster with the help of Wakanda and the Sorcerers. By then traveling throughout the quantum realm is easy, and he's created an army of super soldiers with Captain Marvel's powers who have brought peace and prosperity to their timeline.

The original solution was simple and elegant; he never left the timeline. He became captain America, fought in WWII, went into the ice, woke up in 2012, survived the snap, reset the snap, traveled back to the time he went into the ice, married Peggy, lived his life quietly for 70 years, then walked to the park the afternoon they used that machine and sat on the bench.

But the Russos said in a Q&A last night he created and entirely new marry-peggy timeline, so that's shot all to hell.

>When they show Steve, he isn't 100 years old, hes 400 years old, and by that time humanity has perfected quantum travel thanks to Steve going back and making his own timeline after WW2 where he is able to advance humanity's technology thousands of times faster with the help of Wakanda and the Sorcerers. By then traveling throughout the quantum realm is easy, and he's created an army of super soldiers with Captain Marvel's powers who have brought peace and prosperity to their timeline.
Stupidest explanation yet.

They had to have the forced "Captain America is black now" scene. How did Bucky know old man Rodgers was there for Falcon?

Praying for you, user. I'm literally saying an Our Father and a Hail Mary for you as soon I hit send and fill out capcha.

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>>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.
>
I have no idea quite what this means, but it's bullshit. If changing the past absolutely changes the future and does not create branching timelines, there's no free will, everything is determined and predictable. However, freewill exists. Ergo, branching timelines time travel is correct.

Because Cap told him what he was going to do AND he knew Bucky didn't want the shield.

You just disagreed with yourself.

The movie stones are gimps anyhow.

why does he need someone to bring him back? when the group split up to go back to back in time to retrieve the stones, they didnt need anyone to stay behind to bring them back, the devices were able to do it independently. steve had that time gps device, he kept hold of it til he decided it was time to go back to main timeline

>real life time travelers consulted

So without Tony who's gonna fix/upgrade War machine and Pepper suit? Peter? But in the trailer Peter didn't even use the iron spider suit even though Tony basically gave him in IW and EG.

Don't even try man, I tried a lot but that guy is really...."special"

based retard

>when the group split up to go back to back in time to retrieve the stones, they didnt need anyone to stay behind to bring them back
They set up the pad on some kind of timer. In every other iteration they needed someone there (even a fucking mouse).
Doesn't change the fact that old Cap still needed a time pad to come out of in the main timeline. How was he able to turn it on? How was he able to "come out" without anyone noticing?

>Don't even try man, I tried a lot but that guy is really...."special"
Are you the "herr derr they shouldn't have to spoonfeed you everything!" faggot?

>Professional Time Travelers REACT to Avengers: EndGame

ya hes been bitching abt the same point for two threads so far today, starting to think hes just shitposting. will not engage further

The only logical way I can figure is that he traveled back in time to the original timeline using his own personal timeline as a guide though handwaving the bracelet and whatever else.
Essentially he traveled back in time to a point slightly earlier than his departure from the main timeline, being sent through a pad by whothefuckknows and looping back around his personal history.
So it goes like this
MCU up to endgame>travels back to drop the stones>stays with Peggy>gets old> has someone send him to just before he went back to drop the stones in a slighly different location.
The strong handwaving comes where he had to find the correct timeline, hence the bracelet.
Done.

There was another pad hidden off screen, brainlet.

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Where did he return to? Not the platform.

Without the platform, how?

>Essentially he traveled back in time to a point slightly earlier than his departure from the main timeline
How is this possible? The time pad that he left from was clearly makeshift, mobile and temporary. It wouldn't have been there at any other time. The only other time pad was in the Avengers HQ (which is now destroyed).
There's no answers. It's poor writing.

I'm surprised more films don't do more EE versions. They could easily justify buying the dvd or whatever with all the extra shit. But really so very few do this.

I’m more or less fine with how majority of the movie turned out however:

>I liked Infinity War Thor better than Endgame Thor
>I would have been fine with End Game being split into 2 parts

Like another user said having EG be split in two could have helped with making the time travel stuff plus reconnections with the OG6 much more meaningful.

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he modified the gps device to function without needing to use the platform. i totally asked the russos on twitter and that was their answer

There is no time pad in earlier times, they just built that one right then to return the stones. The other one Thanos drove his ship through.

It was already one movie split into two.

>he modified the gps device to function without needing to use the platform. i totally asked the russos on twitter and that was their answer
It's such a bad answer that I believe you.

Absolutely savage

>>They originally planned for Thor to be on a “mssion of vengeance” in Endgame, but felt that was just retreading old ground and decided to instead completely drive Thor up the wall by making him a fat drunk.

His last two movies were about him hitting rock bottom and losing everything, Why not give him closure? did he really need to become a fucking joke too? Maybe the heroes should actually progress forward after hitting rock bottom and become heroic you fucking hacks

>there is a timeline where the Cap married Peggy, saved Bucky from HYDRA and prevented their infiltration on SHIELD, by this saving Howard Stark and his wife
Cap achieved the golden ending

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How about you fucking kill yourself you stupid nigger

I think he would have moved on except he felt guilt for murdering a helpless Thanos.

Of course since he's a thousand years old and has been in hundreds of wars he's certainly killed thousands, so it don't make too much sense if you think too hard about it.

I really wanna read some of the comic versions of this shit but I don't know where or how. Any tips?

Nice. When can we go there?

getcomics.info/marvel/incredible-hulk-the-end/

i think he meant metaphorically not literally creating another big bang

>This is more or less how 616 replaced og nick furry with the black version

God damn I’m gonna miss these mother fuckers. Capeshit won’t be the same anymore :/

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He didn't felt guilt for murdering a helpless Thanos. He felt guilt for not being able to prevent the death of trillions

cap doesnt kiss and tell

or in this case he doesnt "literally fuck his hot wife to death" and tell

No.

>Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?

>A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

old.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/bj0it4/joe_russos_qa_about_the_plot_of_avengers_endgame/

Wait for the spinoff series

this is all i wanted from the russos desu, but with all the time travel bullshit im just done w marvel

See you this summer complaining about Mysterio.

>>Some versions had the 2012 Avengers butting heads with either Nick Fury or Maria Hill over Loki’s jurisdiction, in case Robert Redford couldn’t return.

multiple versions of the movie confirmed

Why didn't Black Panther use the glove to snap white people out of existence? Earth could have been Planet Wakanda.

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Yeah, that's the point of the movie but not of this picture, the whole Mjolnir thing prove that everything special about Cap wasn't just from a bottle

Multiple timelines.

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nope, not a spiderfag. never have been

Thanks user. Next stupid question: Which specific comic is from?

5 movies, 4 suits, not a single Positron Laser.

>Cap wielding Mjolnir?
>The portals opening revealing everybody?
Clearly the Cap moment, the portal scene has less impact because Black Panther is on screen for a fucking long moment so your brain already understand what's going to happen next. It's a cool fucking scene, but not like Mjolnir flying in Cap's hand followed by a fighting game combo and a lightning strike.

thats a weird way to spell captain marvel

>>They envisioned a scene where the battle briefly gets paused for whatever reason, and an assorted of roughly 18 random characters from all corners of the MCU end up together in this trench awkwardly trying to figure out what their next battle move should be, but even they felt it sucked and wasn’t funny.
No the vagina bullshit was kept in no wonder it felt out of place as fuck

that's from the original infinity gauntlet mini series these movies were based on

Victim of it’s time. But in a positive light, Marvel has solid female characters —besides CM.

IW>Endgame
Solely because Thanos using the stones one by one and exploiting their powers is miles better than Thanos using a propeller to fight.
That and huge clusters fighting each other is always worse than smaller fights with more substance.

Best Girl.

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Why do people think that creating more resources would work? Not every species uses them in the same way. It's better to just do what thanos did originally so you don't have to worry about all those dumb specifics

>They consider the post-snap state of all survivors a worst-case-scenario type of “What If…?” story.
Tony ending up living in peace with a family is the worst case scenario?

>IW>Endgame
It's not a fucking surprise, of course a movie with a winning villain is better than everything out of capeshit.
The whole purpose of the sequel was to undone it so it was clear from the start that it will be less interesting than Infinity War.

>Tony's happiness comes from everyone else being miserable
I mean

>snap for more resources
>people will use them faster than ever
>problem is still there
>have to snap again but your body is already fucked up or you are probably already dead after all those years

That's what Killmonger would do, not Black Panther

Wait, isn't Tony right? He gets a magic hammer power up, and suddenly starts stomping thanos.

The magic hammer only lets itself be used by worthy people, so it is unrelated to the bottle thing

>Rogers is proven to be worthy of Mjolnir, something that doesn't "come out of a bottle" but is a measure of your character.
Except being "worthy" doesn't mean jack shit in the MCU you tard. Endgame thor's fatass still being worthy of that damn hammer proves this. It's just a shonen tier power up at this point, period.

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>Being fat makes you unworthy

This is Asgard not Hollywood.

>Cap wielding Mjolnir?
My cinema clapped the loudest at that point. It also had the most build up I suppose.

You know, it's a weird feeling how the movie really does feel like one of those comics crisis events, which if course was intentional but still.
All the big stakes forcing every character to team up, obligatory permanent deaths of a few character, creating a big cataclysm just to get it undone at the end but still leaving a lasting effect on the rest of the universe as we know it.
The meaning of these last Avengers movies gives me a fuzzy feeling even with their flaws.

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Not enough of her.
>I don't even know who you are.
>You will.
Unironically bad ass.

I'll miss them too user.

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Also
>dat cleavage

>he was horrifically unfunny
He was easily the funniest part of the movie tho

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>Thanos had to pull a rain of blasters on everyone on the field to save his ass from being desintegrated by her
How is Captain Marvel officially the most powerful in the MCU again? Sure she can handle a headbutt from him but can she destroy him layer by layer?

same way Steve and Tony jumped from New york to the 1970s

To be honest, I was not really interested in the characters before the Phase 3, they were too bland for my taste but after this whole crisis, a lot of them have lost a lot of things and they are of course way more interesting now.

They are keeping that for the Nova movie I bet.

Yeah. I actually walked away from IW and EG satisfied. Unlike TFA and TLJ...

That's why the whole "girl power" scene was stupid, Wanda was already above anyone so the whole point of showing that women can be strong too was already a fucking fact 1 minute before it.

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read the interview again. Thor was ALWAYS on a 'mission of vengeance', and this time he struggled to live with his failure, that's his development.

The bottle literally made him a better person. The scientist literally says that

>missed captain marvel movie
>decide to watch endgame
>turns out she just tony cosmic taxi
wew

Cap is only able to wield Mjolnir because he is noble of heart. He is, by any account, worthy. None of that came from the serum - he was chosen for the program before it had even started in full because of his strong moral character.

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Why cap wasn't able to lift the hammer during the ultron movie?

>Marvel has solid female characters —besides CM.
And Black Panther's sister. Fuck her and everything she represents.

Her character got nothing from the audience I was with. Only Thor's "I like this one" got a laugh, but that's because of Thor. Not even her busting up the ship got applause. Yeah, there were applause during my showing.

Cap and Mjolnir or "Cap, can you read me?"

theres a 5 year gap after Thor has lost litteraly everything and is pretty much responsible for half the universe being gone... Becoming depressed over that is not character assassination

Be honest with me Yea Forums, did you made the soiboy face?
when?

Some theorize that it was because of him knowing who killed Tony's parents and keeping it hidden, which accounts as a flaw on the moral ground. Still Mjolnir moved a bit when he tried to lift it which is why Thor says “I knew it” in Endgame

When the Cap started making those crazy hammer-shield combos

So it's a typical case of wasting too much time fucking about, concerned about how to please as many consumers as possible and turning it into a tonally inconsistent mess with 'humor' injected in all the wrong places.

I always have a normal/serious expression when watching a movie in theaters not because of im shy of being seen but because of im that way. I do cry sometimes tho.

Camrip?

Thor is a fucking god, so his mental constitution should be tough enough to handle that shit.
It was forced as fuck.

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What the fuck was even the point of that? To test if Danvers was just full of shit with her claims of being a universal hero? Because it would look good on the trailer?

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>don't improve yourself m8 just be happy because failure is winning too!

if the guy that helped bring you back from the dead were a fat fuck you wouldn't have too many negative things to say to him either

time travel is unbelievably gay. They should have gone on another epic adventure to make NEW stones that represent the current universe or some shit

this movie sucked man what a let down

he’s a cartoon character you mook. wasn’t even a very good one until disney emptied boat loads of money into him.

he didn't deserve the bullying

By way of getting sent through by different people? The point is that he just need to be transported to that place and time, which he knows will happen because he lived through it.
He is in a different timeline, he spent however many years there and there are however many genius with the tech knowhow to make those pads. I fail to see a problem.
From his point of view he may have traveled back in time a day for all we know. Its time travel, his relative time only needs to be farther forward, be it by a day or a century hardly matters.

Q's actions were not permanent, it was a test. Everything is reset back to status quo after Picard solves the problem proving mankind is capable of thinking on a higher level. Q is the first and last episode of the series. The only real change is that Picard finally joins his bridge crew for a game of cards thus opening himself up to them.

EE cuts are for faggots who obsess over irrelevant shit

This.
You MCU faggots get dumber with every release.

What the fuck are you talking about

Thanks.

>Some theorize that it was because of him knowing who killed Tony's parents and keeping it hidden
I think that it's not the point of the scene, that it don't need to be rationalized.
Endgame is the end of his journey as a hero and this scene just show that at the end of it, he his worthy of Mjolnir for everything he has done before. It's like removing Excalibur from the stone, it's to sacralize his character as a true hero.

Honestly I expected him to get the same amount of bullying Quill got. At least he got some good moments like coming up with the idea to save everyone who got snapped and going ultraman delivering punches and stomping

he could, he was just so nice he didn't want to cuck Thor in front of everyone

they need to create the multi-verse somehow, this is the start of it brainlet

This.

Endgame royally fucked an ending that could have really been something special.

got a shit eating grin when cap was wielding Mjolnir, if that counts

And yet you're debating said cartoon character with your second sentence.
Don't try to play with the big boys, brainlet.