From the last ranking
Episode I downgraded (-)
Episode II upgraded (+)
Episode VII - upgraded (+)
1. Episode III
2. Episode V
3. Episode VIII
4. Episode II
5. Episode IV
6. Episode VII
7. Episode VI
8. Episode I
(9) Solo
(10) Rogue One
>inb4 plebs say TLJ that high
I could have put it one stop higher and made you even more triggered, calm down and sit down.
V > IV > VI > III > RO > I > II > Solo > VII > VIII
>Solo ahead of actual kino like VII
>Rogue One that high
So low IQ
meant VIII* not VII
Solo and VII were both dumb and bad, VII is more offensive by making the OT pointless
Not even taking this seriously because rogue one is last
VIII wasn't really dumb, it was good storytelling for a middle entry in a trilogy and for a star wars movie post prequels. It was prequelesque and inserted more pathos and logos than the general OT carbon copy slop.
You're a pleb of the highest order. Rogue One is trash and has reshoots for it's entire last act. If you cant see how poorly edited it is or how forgetable and shit it's cast of characters are there's no helping you. But MUH vader hallway scene. Stop being so fucking cringe.
5
4
6
3
1
2
RO
TFA
TLJ
I quit after TLJ so not sure about Solo but no longer interested in SW other than the originals anyways
>OT babby
>quits after kino
And nothing was lost
> There are still people pretending that Episode 8 was "kino".
No, it was bad. It was bad on so many different levels, it's actually hard to succinctly quantify them. As a piece of work, it was actively corrosive.
23154876
No it wasn't. You have a non argument and the same argument as plebs.
5
3
6
4
R1
1
2
Clone Wars movie
7
Christmas Special
8
Haven't seen Solo.
Let's start with the plot, and leave culture and everything else outside of the actual movie for later.
The plot was a modern corporate “set-piece” showcase that made up “cool scenes” and wrote a story around them instead of creating a plot that could generate excitement through it’s narrative.
1. Rey is bad not because she’s a powerful competent women, she’s boring because she is a generic paint by numbers “insert-here” protagonist meant to be as inoffensive as possible so no possible merchandising demographic would not like her.
2. Finn had a good arc in The Force Awakens. Shame then that he apparently forgot it all between movies and repeated it all this movie. That why he was so pointless, not cause he’s black.
3. Canto Bight is a thirty minute waste of time that does not effect the plot. It has no “anti-capitalist message” it has a toothless “hurr greed bad” message.
4. Holdo is a bad character because she is a walking plot device that makes decisions only so others have to take action. She was created backwards. Where they wanted Poe to learn a lesson about “not being a hot-head” but didn’t want him to actually do something wrong because then the audience wouldn’t like him (and buy his merchandise). therefore she makes contradictory and nonsensical moves because she isn’t a character, but a plot-object. None of this has to do with her purple hair (it’s space, some planets have weird hair) or being a woman.
5. Hyperspace ramming as elaborated in detail elsewhere invalidates the entire franchise. Because you can ask, "Why haven't they done this before?" The stakes and tension of nearly every preceding battle have been rendered invalid.
6. Luke had all his character development from a whole trilogy wiped out. All so they could do a cliche “fed-up with life kung-fu master” who then dies from thinking too hard.
7. The First Order are illogical.
Apparently they built a fleet and accompanying super weapons as big as the Galactic Empires without having a galaxy or empire to fund and build them. Somehow the entire galaxy is fine with them rolling up and taking charge without so much as a shrug because they blew up one system with a weapon they no longer have. The OT empire was well presented in how they ruled and operated the galaxy even in A New Hope. The First Order has no characterization beyond “remember the Empire?” Nothing the First Order does is even remotely related to the Republican party, their pretty generic space facists.
They never rant about immigration or healthcare or really anything political other than the same "We hate Freedom" that the original Empire did, and they have a diverse multi-racial and gender equal approach to evil, more so even than the original. Unless you think being obvious pulp-Nazi stand-ins is an accurate depiction of the GOP they're pretty toothless when it comes to current political commentary.
8. Snoke is stupid, lots of critics claim “we knew nothing about the Emperor” but the viewer had no preconceived knowledge about the Star Wars universe in the original films. It stands to reason that powerful characters existed, unknown to the viewer.
In the new trilogy, the universe is established, The evil was the Empire, Vader and the Emperor. For a character of Snokes immense power to exist is contradictory. It requires an explanation. And for characters such as Luke and Leia to refer to him by name, on multiple occasions, and for others such as Rey to never question this, is disconcerting, unnatural and entirely immersion breaking.
9. Bad costume design, In the OT and PT everyone has a unique look and silhouette that is both easy to pick out in a crowd and memorable. From the Rebels on the Tantive IV to the Tatooine/Jedi robe look, to the Naboo guard outfits, to the Troopers in the Hoth Trenches. None of the costumes in The Last Jedi do this. I couldn't tell you what most main characters wore much less the extras. Everything is so generic and uninspired you could use it in another movie and no one would notice they were reusing Star Wars costumes.
10. All the ships and vehicles are just the original trilogies with some extra lines painted on. Both the prequels and Rogue One managed to have designs that were simultaneously unique looking but still thematically similar to the original movies. everything save the salt-speeders is just a repainted original with some flaps.
11. Finally It's funny hearing people complain about "fanboys" wanting TLJ to be a retread when TLJ dedicates it's entire runtime to nullifying any changes to the story since ANH. It has been 35 years in-universe and everything is now at exactly the same point it was during ANH, Empire has uncontested rule of the galaxy, Scrappy rebels (They even change their name from Resistance to Rebels in the third act!), Dark Lord ruling the aforementioned Empire, One half-trained Jedi to keep on the Orders legacy (which has been otherwise wiped out), and so-on. The entire original trilogy might as well not have happened now because the universe has been reset to a merchandise friendly timeless limbo.
Concerning Contention 10.
> The OT has that cluttered, mechanical WWII aesthetic because we're on the frontier in the dark times. The ships are all old and refurbished and there's crap sticking out of them tacked on with sparks flying out of it for a reason. The buildings are all angular with carbon scoring and burn marks on them because society has gone to hell.
> The point of the prequels is to contrast that. It's clean, it's new, the ugly mechanical shit is covered by velvet floors, brass covers, etc. The glass pops out for that shiny look instead of flat. Things are colored instead of grey, etc.
> One problem with the computer theory is a lot of that stuff actually is practical effects. RLM got the idea that everything was computerized because Lucas was fascinated with the technology, so he was featuring it heavily in the supplemental material. You're actually seeing him selectively show you the most green screened stuff because he thought it was the most innovative thing going on.
TLJ has no identity of its own. This is the movie audiences were looking toward to expand on and define the state of the world following Episode 7. It fails to do so again, and again, on every level.
A great deal of The Last Jedi feels not just malicious, but intentionally so. I don't know the full context of why Kelly Marie Tran left Twitter. I don't know what was said, or if she was overreacting, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
I'll place the blame squarely where it belongs; the people who made the comments that caused her to leave. However, if TLJ can be understood as an inherently malicious piece of media, then isn't Rian Johnson also to blame for Kelly Marie Tran's mental and emotional state?
He used an unwitting actress for an agenda driven piece of media. And his malicious intentions incited this response.
>bad costume design
>same costume designer as Blade Runner
Damn this board is legit pleb in all it's "arguments" you're subjective like toasty women
>This is the movie audiences were looking toward to expand on and define the state of the world following Episode 7. It fails to do so again, and again, on every level.
Episode 7 was shit and Rian did nothing wrong. You're the reason JJ abrams latest abortion will be eaten up and loved just like Avengers Endgame and Game of thrones
It is my understanding that J.J. Abrams did have notes and outlines for where he wanted the sequel trilogy to go. Allegedly Rian Johnson decided not to use these notes; he wasn't left dead in the water.
There were comments a year ago about Daisy Ridley getting her hands on Colin Trevorow's script. Have any comments surfaced about him being left dead in the water and winging it?
> Episode 7 was shit.
Yes it was, but it should not have been more or less ignored in the way that it was. Disrespecting Episode 7 doesn't win TLJ any points. It just makes it worse. A true victory would have been capitalizing off of the set up of Episode 7 and turning that into something beautiful. TLJ could have done anything, and it decided to do nothing.
> implying Avengers Endgame is bad
Coitus.
This means nothing as they did poor work on TLJ.
5 4 6 3 rogue solo 7 8 1 2
Tier 1 (best)
>Empire Strikes Back
>Attack of The Clones
>Rogue One
Tier 2
>Star Wars
>Revenge of The Sith
>Phantom Menace
Tier 3
>Return of The Jedi
Tier 4 (worst)
>The Force Awakens
>The Last Jedi
>Solo
If you disagree with this you most likely despise cinema, or worse, all art on a principle.
>likes Avengers Endgame
>literally a fucking mess of television directors
>not cinematic at all
>hates on the last jedi
Holy shit dude, kys
You are a fucking pleb if you put Rogue ONe in the top tier.
Look in the fucking mirror and never respond to my thread again.
people ranking ep 2 better than 1
>lots of critics claim “we knew nothing about the Emperor”
What the hell kind of qualifications does one need to be a "critic" now? It doesn't sound like they understand the difference between OT Emperor and Snoke, so I'm assuming film comprehension wasn't a requirement for them.
Yes, I liked Avengers Endgame. It was a respectful piece of media.
Rian Johnson directed TV.
It was very cinematic.
post the real version of that pic.
>VIII wasn't really dumb
yes it is. It's very dumb. If you can't see it, you're probably dumb yourself.
Just for one example, remember that scene where Luke gives Rey "lesson two" and rants about the Jedi of the old republic. Watch that scene again and this time keep in mind that Luke never watched the prequels, you did. That scene is nothing but a reddit argument between fantards crammed into a pointless scene in the movie.
The only difference between VII and VIII from an idiocy standpoint is that VII is best for attention spans of less than 2 minutes while VIII is maybe more like 5 plus you never liked Star Wars in the first place.
The point is those criticisms are stupid. They're less abundant now, but they were rampant when TLJ released and the huge wave of backlash came down.
It's a weird space because 1 meanders around a lot, and could have been better, but 2, while more coherent, is not fun to watch at all.
well said
Endgame at least as good characters and some semblance of a good story.
TLJ doesn't. Also the only people who think TLJ is cinematic are fucking tard pretenders who only understand """cinema""" on the most superficial level and don't understand visual storytelling.
Rian Johnson made Brick which is more cinematic in 10 seconds than anything in the marvel universe. You're a real idiots delight. Endgame was 1000s of times shittier than TLJ
>AVENGERS ENDGAME BAD
>TLJ GOOD
Nice try, NPC.
>Endgame at least has good characters
No it doesn't its fucking bing bing superhero crap. TLJ was amazing compared to it. You're the reason for the death of cinema. Fuck off and die. Luke and Kylo alone are a billion times more interesting than Endgame.
Nobody believes your insincere criticism of Marvel on account you're desperate to defend Rian Johnson. Snyder defenders are more believable.
Nigger, you're the one blabbing the NPC opinion. Who the fuck do you think you are
>TLJ BAD
>MUH AVENGERS GOOOD
I would kill you if I could.
Rian Johnson is a better director than Synder and any of the television hacks in the marvel franchise. Dude TIME TRAVEL IN 15 seconds worth of work LMFAO.
KYS immediately. Endgame was a fucking mess that makes TLJ look like a masterpiece.
>Rian Johnson made Brick
>TLJ has Blade Runner's designer
Neither of these things mean anything when discussing The Last Jedi. You'll never be able to save it while listing the OTHER accomplishments of people who worked on it.
This whole post basically amounts to "it was different, so it was good."
> Luke and Kylo alone are a billion times more interesting than Endgame.
fucking lol
you honestly believe this don't you?
> Rian Johnson is a better director than Snyder
Who doesn't even do Marvel, but okay.
> Endgame was a mess that makes TLJ look like a masterpiece
Evidently not.
>Rian Johnson is a better director than Synder and any of the television hacks in the marvel franchise.
Yep, proof that it's a Rian shill
Endgame is a mess that makes you realize just how fucking bad The Last Jedi really is.
Rian doesn't like it when his shills are racist, does he know you're going off-script in your attempt to "defend" him?
This is just overwhelming proof of how bad The Last Jedi is.
People can't even defend it without attacking something else that has nothing to do with Star Wars, or citing an altogether different achievement.
Says the faggot who brought up Engame being good while hating on TLJ.
Rian Johnson can actually direct a fucking movie. Endgame was television tier fake cinema. Stop even trying to pretend like you know art.
TLJ is objectively terrible and liking it means you're a retard. Endgame is objectively a mess but it's also fun and whether you like it or not depends on a variety of factors and none of them have anything to do with intelligence.
NPCs usually like both.
You honestly believe anyone in supershit #550 is interesting? Yes Kylo and Luke in TLJ are millions of times more interesting. That's how shallow Marvel trash actually is. It was fucking halmark channel shit mixed with CGI puke.
>Rian Johnson can actually direct a fucking movie.
No he can't. The Last Jedi was shit and you can't defend it. It's indefensible you aren't even defending it you're just shitposting.
>B-Buh Endgame was bad
Sounds more like you're out of ways to defend Last Jedi
>TLJ is objectively terrible
No it isn't, critics wise or audience wise. You fucking asshat. It's objectively terrible if you're a fucking retard who thought The Force Awakens and Rogue One were good, which are the majority of marvel plebs who watched the new star wars movies and then complained about Rian's actual good film.
Dude you're a fucking NPC stop actually trying to sound tough. All your marvel films are shit compared to even the last jedi
>Muh endgame
Every motherfucking superhero flick since Nolans trash dark knight trilogy is shit you dumb normalfag nigger. Stop talking about cinema.
5>4>6>>3>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the rest of that non-starwars disney cgi nonsense is equally dogshit
>cgi nonsense
>puts the worst cgi prequel ahead of kino like 3
Luke is literally twitter comments copy and pasted into the script. He has no character and nothing he does amounts to anything. Tony Stark is infinitely more interesting than fucking Jake from TLJ. There are characters like Wanda who are on screen for all of 30 seconds who have more of a dramatic impact than literally anything in the entirety of TLJ.
Yes, capeshit is capeshit and Endgame is apologetically capeshit. But TLJ doesn't even come close to that low bar.
Steve Rogers, bland as he is, is superior to Rey in every respect.
Thor is superior to Luke even in the same disappointing role as a disillusioned hero.
Nebula's family conflict makes Kylo look like the fucking inconsistent pointless faggot he is.
Hawkeye > Poe
Tony Stark > Leia
Black Widow > Holdo
(everyone) > Rose
Even fucking Captain Marvel Sue was handled well compared to NuWars. She has her moment doing the one thing she was established to do in a previous movie and otherwise doesn't bother the story.
still no defense
you're pathetic
Also TFA and Rogue One both sucked. If they are dog shit then TLJ is diseased dog shit.
still can't defend TLJ
>Muh endgame
>Muh superhero flicks
Doesn't help your defense of TLJ, shill.
Watch, he'll respond to your post by crying about capeshit and try to claim TLJ is better.
TLJ is one of the few Star Wars movies that isn't below a 7/10
>nebulas family confirm makes Kylo look
Lmao Nebulas family conflict was halmark channel crap and directed terribly. Fucking 10 seconds of kylo in tlj is directed better than all of that shit.
Just because her actress was the only one actually acting in that movie doesn't mean the story was good, even there or well directed.
Rian is a master of visual storytelling compared to these modern blockbusters like marvelshit. Marvel has no visual directing, they shoot shit and edit it terribly. Rian storyboards.
TLJ is the only good disney wars movie, stop being NPC and actually use your brain and not your emotions.
all prequels are trash. episode 1 especially. it's so fucking bad it's good. jar jar is comedy gold. the cgi similar to the first tomb raider. george lucas was huffing African shit when he made it. but it has way more soul than the newest superhero Disney star wars movies. which are arguably the worst movies ever made.
Episode III has actually aged well and upscaled to 4K even looks good for a majority and the ending is great.
This list is objectively correct
Star Wars > Empire > Jedi
Powergap
Revenge of the Sith > Phantom Menace
Powergap
Attack of the Clones> Force Awakens
Powergap
Solo>Rogue One>Last Jedi
Return of the Jedi is my personal fav tho
Thanks for the most bare bones, unoriginal NPC ranking
havent seen it since opening day. I'll give it another watch
I will never understand you idiots. Yes, it's called Episode I, but its actually the fourth movie, not counting the Christmas special and the two other movies you zoomers probably never heard of. So, it's actually:
Ep IV
Ep V
Ep VI
Ep I
Ep II
Ep III
Ep VII
RO
Ep VIII
Solo
Ep IX (soon)
1. V
2. III
3. IV
4. VI
5. I
6. VII
7. II
8. VIII
9. Solo
10. Rogue One
Sequelfags need to BTFO
only defense of TLJ is one 3-second clip of a shirtless character turning around.
your movie is shit, Rian. 2/10 at best.
>your only defense is a soundless webm that's a 3 second clip because this shit capeshit board only takes soundless webms that are under 3 mb
FTFY
5>4>6>3>1>2>7>RO>8
Never saw Solo. Quit after 8.
V
IV
VI
III
VIII
RO
SOLO
I
VII
II
>TLJ bad
>Endgame good
Kys
Cry more, NPC shill
It's true though, why do you have such shit taste?
I read your post wrong and I appologize. I thought you were hating on TLJ
this was me
t. NPC
>disney fanfiction above any OT movie
The only holes bigger than the ones in your brain are the ones in Nuwars' plot. Kys brainless shill.
Also you retards need to stop overusing the word "kino" and call every bullshit you like "kino", you made this word completely meaningless. There's nothing kino about Nuwars or capeshit etc.
V
IV = VI
III
I
II
RO
VII
VIII
Solo
>muh DISNEY fan fiction
Have sex and watch more films because Rian Johnson is the most Lucasian director in the franchise. The fan fiction was episode VII that Rian went against and triggered most of the franchise with.
2/10
Not an argument. Rewatch the films with an open mind. Empire Strikes Back, Revenge of the Sith and the Last Jedi are the kinos. Aka they are the great ones, the standouts, the really well directed ones.
Fuck off, Thanos' whole character is kino. And while VII, RO and the Solo movie were mostly shit with a few kino moments, VIII is unironically the most kino Star Wars. It subverted literally everyone's expectations, including diehard OTfags like you, and Abramsfags too, which make it meta-kino in addition to being already kino.
Also don't pretend OT isn't full of retarded plotholes. While more enjoyable, they are just as much filled with plot holes as VII. III is the perfect balance between the old and new, and is the second kinoest Star Wars.
Keep going
I don't agree about Thanos/Marvel but I agree with you spot on 100% about everything you said about Star Wars. I could have Revenge of the Sith 1 and The Last Jedi 2 or The Last Jedi 1 and Revenge of the Sith 2
So much s o y ITT, it gave me cancer
You get enough of that by browsing this board everyday, paco. TLJ was fantastic.
What? Sorry, I don't speak s o y.
Return of the Jedi had like, what, 2 kino moments? Meanwhile VIII had Poe tricking the First Order side by side with the incredible sacrifice scene with Rose's sister. Then Luke's character and Rei's training, by the way, the kinoest training sections in any movie. Then Rose's journey to rescue the enslaved animals, which also connects to Finn's character drama. Some might not recognise it, but he had a whole Hero's journey start and end in VIII, which is kino in itself. Leia got tones of kino moments as well, starting with the powerful scene of awakening her force powers and then reuniting with her brother. Holdo's spaceship ram scene was the most kino Star Wars moment ever. And then we have Kylo and Rey's conversation, Rey's struggle with the dark side of the force, Snoke's death, the fight after, and the last kino moments were Finn's attempt at sacrifice and Luke vs Kylo. Other Star Wars movies can't compete.
Rian watched the prequels while writing and in preproduction. The staging and dialogue is atypical, one might cringe at Poes mother joke in the beginning or at even Kylo Ren giving a monologue shirtless, but the entire thing was meta infused Star Wars soap operakino.
Kek, 7/10. The best thing is, some people actually think like that (like retarded OP, probably).
V
IV
VI
III
VIII
I
VII
II
V > IV > VI > everything else is shit and anyone who disagrees with me is literally a bugman
Why was the art of movie posters forgotten
I accept this but III should be higher
This. I can't even comprehend how can anyone rank the sequels unironically
III and VIII are kinography
6>5>3>4>1>2>R1>7>8 didn’t watch solo
You probably watch movies on your fucking laptop then bro or you shit tier 1080p 21 incher.
5>3>4>1>6>2
R1 > V > IV > III > II > I > VI >> VII >> VIII = Solo
Triggered s o y
lolno. entertaining-but-fanfic-tier at best
>people writing numerical instead of just 1->8
Absolutely cringe
5 > 4 > 6 > 2 > 1 > 3
>doesn't deny it
Holy shit
>fanfiction-tier
>Revenge of the Sith directed by George Lucas
The staging and dialogue on Obi-Wan vs Anakin and anakin talking and choking padme out is possibly peak star wars
Deny what? Your projection? Lmao s o y
The films aren't numbered 1-9 though but I-IX
George Lucas isn't a very good director. The direction in IV is passable at best, the movie lives off everything else (great actors, great worldbuilding, good story with excellent structure, great artdirection, great music...).
When you get to V there's a noticeable, massive difference in the quality of directing.
>George Lucas isn't a very good director.
Besides Revenge of the Sith, he nailed it.
his fault is the writing
he should be a producer like with episode 4 and 5
then he can have an overview of the story and consult the creative teams that make this into scenes and coherent stories
prequels had problems because it was just Lucas and yes-men
episode 3 is still my favourite though
No, it really fucking shouldn't
V > IV > VI > III > RO > I > II > Solo > VII > VIII
True, the writing was good as long as he had a filter on what's good and what isn't. If he gets free reign we get, well, the shitty prequels.
I mean, they aren't terrible, but they're just nowhere close to the glory of the OT.
So in other words Rian is such a terrible storyteller that his only two ideas for Luke was overpowered superhero and a generic disillusioned martial arts master with dialog like a contrarian redditor.
And you are even more stupid for not realizing how fucking terrible this is.