Why is Japanese animation so much better than American TV Shows?

>100 shitty moe slice of life shows
These are a strawman and don't actually exist. You have no means of comparing American shows and anime.

Most animes have abysmall writing. Even the "good ones" are full of plot holes and retarded moments

They cater to children and pedos instead.

so not any different to TV shows and film?

sauce on animegay?

but why is Japanese live action so terrible

This is a meme.

A minority of anime is made for children, and none is made for pedos. There is plenty of pedo stuff being made in the West though.

it's quite incredible how much creative freedom japs were given by their corporations. now that (((hollywood))) and (((netflix))) are getting involved in the anime industry, I imagine they're going to start demanding diversity quotas etc soon.

Because its not riddled in western propaganda

Himegoto.

Calling it terrible would be an exaggeration. They usually have nondescript production quality and banal direction, but they can still be entertaining.

i can only imagine the soulless politically soicharged anime we'll be getting in the future

>I imagine they're going to start demanding diversity quotas etc soon

never gonna happen japan always comes first

>Take the nippill
that shit is just too slow and gay

shin'ya tsukamoto films are great even if they are kind of retarded and short.

Because the nips can actually write interesting characters and character dynamics.

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care to recommend me a good one?

t. couldn't get past the opening sequence of Tokyo Story

Bullet Ballet

just know his films are usually too short, so the pacing can be a little too frantic.

If they recruit creators and studios directly they can make any demands they want. They are currently doing just that.

animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-04-14/netflix-produces-eden-anime-by-fma-brotherhood-director-yasuhiro-irie/.145724

Their previous anime has just been licensed for streaming by them, so they've had no creative control.

there hasn't been a good new anime for a while now
the last good anime I can remember is ping pong animation

There's good anime every season, but most people just sit around waiting for someone or something to tell them what to watch and miss 99% of anything that airs.

Anime used to be respected and exported across the planet until they just focused on otaku harem pandering ecchi garbage. Now it's like only otaku watch that garbage, but hey they buy the most dolls and pillows.

i watched that show purely for the yandere meme but was stricken at how proper a feminist icon yuno actually is. even with her obsession with the MC she really is the star of the show

mob psycho 100 is pretty good

it focuses on storytelling more

pointless like everything else

>otaku harem pandering ecchi garbage
This does not exist.

>Now it's like only otaku watch that garbage
"Otaku" do not exist.

Not in the same way westerners do anyway, IE deconstructing western civilization out of sheer self hatred. Japs just do it for either story purposes or comedy

Anime acting translates horribly to live action. The forced melodrama just feels cheesy in a real life setting but can work to an extent in animation.

You say that like every live action is based on manga. And even then, not all manga is over-the-top or melodramatic.

isn't that just one punch man?

I haven't watched that many live action adaptions truth be told, but those that I have seen have been awkward as hell. It just doesn't seem to work. But I don't claim to be an expert on the subject. Maybe there is a truly great adaption out there that I haven't seen yet.

>wasting your time watching the yellow devil's cartoons

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I just finished Welcome to NHK and it was really good, anything anime similar? about neets/incels?

similar, but I think mob does everything better. OPM often just feels like satire/parody, mob has a lot more to it than that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Little_Sister

most anime is not drawn by japs
it's outsourced to the philippines

>America: lively outside society creates soulless content

>Japan: dull outside society creates soulful content

It has soul.

Stop watching this garbage and have sex.

They dont need to check diversity quota.

You're talking about Toei, not the entire industry. What they outsource is mostly in-betweening, not key animation.

Kill yourself.

Because their film industry practically died about 40 years ago and apart from a few exceptions it basically only exists as a vehicle to promote idols now.

It's still Korea going from most credits followed by China. But core art and story is still Japanese management

what the fuck are you talking about? how is America lively? it's the most depressing country on earth

Their film industry's decline is a recent thing, not something that happened 40 years ago. Kitano, Miike, Tsukamoto, Kore'eda etc. have worked during the past 40 years.

That's a lie.
KYS,

Eh not really.

There are still some good schlocky live action superhero stuff and some excellent arthouse films. Though the industry seems smaller than Korea

Atm is terrible but was kino back then

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>tfw appreciate media no matter the country of origin

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I did keep thinking about Jin being outmatched in pic related fight and how it was way better than the Arya NK ninja stab.

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I saw a tranny in an anime recently but they roasted it. Based nippon.

they have this shit but it isn't the focus.

Cross-dresser/trans characters are pretty common but don't have any fixed role.

Watamote.

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I wouldn't say anime has more shows of very high quality, it's just that the generic seasonal shit is far more enjoyable and watchable than what you get from Yank television. Another thing I like about anime is that they do a lot of romance with male protagonists which I feel is something completely missing from Western television and frankly Western media altogether, the only things that come to mind were written decades or centuries ago like A Farewell to Arms, Mary, Romeo & Juliet or Lolita

Tatami Galaxy and RE:Life come to mind

Generic doesn't mean anything, and all late night anime is seasonal.

There's plenty of anime with better writing than even the best American TV shows.

They somehow lost the ability to make good live-action movies after the 80's. South Korea then used ancient slant-eyes gook magic to steal their abilities.

>Tatami Galaxy
He isn't a NEET, and isn't any more of an incel than anyone else.

>after the 80s
Still too early. This is just some Yea Forums meme.

There’s a shit ton of degenerate trans shit in anime. I’m willing to bet most of the zoomer trannies exist because of anime.

It has nothing to do with the West.

yep, literally every tranny I've seen has anime profile pictures

Your blatant denial of reality isn't helping your case.

She's a strong independant woman who don't need no man, but really really want just that one.

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>He isn't a NEET, and isn't any more of an incel than anyone else.
I know, but I was thinking about shows with a similar feel rather than the specific request, I could list a shitload of anime with actual incel NEET protags but they're all isekais

How have I denied reality?

What's wrong with isekai?

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When the Phillipines is used, they tend to just name the studio rather than any of their staff, but otherwise, correct.

This "anime is made in Korea" meme really bothers me. You don't have to look into it for long to find that even the inbetweening is mostly done in Japan. If you want to talk about animation being wholesale produced in Korea, you should be talking about American animation.

Trannies in anime: transvestites

Trannies in the west: transexuals

>Trannies in the west: transexuals
*and transgenders, I've never fully wrapped my head around whether or not there's a distinction

Nothing in particular, they're just not very similar to Welcome to the NHK

There's a NEET escapism in welcome to the NHK though.

There's transsexual in anime too.

It's exploring the idea of escapism rather than being escapism though

Bakuman is a great show and unlike american shows there is actually a subject in mind, other than sex or crime.

Traps aren't gay, user.

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>none is made for pedos
I hate media catering to women, faggots, niggers and trannies as much as the next guy but cmon now.

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I meant what I said.

this

Pedophiles clearly have massive overlap with lolicons. I'm not using pedophile to mean child molester, incidentally. But it's obvious there's crossover between people sexually attracted to children and people sexually attracted to drawings of children. The whole reason there was a market in the first place was because pedophiles needed something to jack off to that wouldn't get them vanned.

Whats wrong with Paranoia Agent?

Lolicon isn't pedophilia.

> there's crossover between people sexually attracted to children and people sexually attracted to drawings of children
There isn't.

>The whole reason there was a market in the first place was because pedophiles needed something to jack off to that wouldn't get them vanned.
Possession of child porn wasn't outlawed in Japan until very recently, and if loli/shota was made as a legal replacement then why is it part of anime culture instead of trying to be as realistic as possible? Why hasn't it completely cannibalized the CP market?

>There isn't.
There is.

>why is it part of anime culture instead of trying to be as realistic as possible?
Same reason fanservice and hentai exist.

> Why hasn't it completely cannibalized the CP market?
Same reason JAV exists.

I... agree.

Jacking it to drawings is no more pedophilia than playing a violent video game where you shoot people in the head makes you a murderer.

Plus making a big deal about fictional cartoons just distracts from cracking down on actual criminals abusing actual kids.

>There is.
No such thing has ever been proven by anyone nor does it hold up to any logical scrutiny. Yea Forums is full of pedos yet go to anime communities and there are none to be seen.

>Same reason fanservice and hentai exist.
Huh?

>Same reason JAV exists.
CP isn't just illegal, it's extremely illegal, and necessarily involves hurting the "actors" which not every pedo is comfortable with. If loli/shota is supposed to be interchangeable with CP then it should have superceded it.

Literally one of the most popular anime over in Japan of the last several years was about two gays ice skating.

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>Jacking it to drawings is no more pedophilia than playing a violent video game
Do you fuck kids when playing video games? Is jerking off necessary to enjoy video games?

Christ, think before submitting your post.

Its target audience is women, and the show has little if any connection to real world gays.

False equivalence. Murderer is equivalent to child molester, not pedophile.

>>Same reason fanservice and hentai exist.
>Huh?
People like seeing sexual things they're attracted to outside of porn. And actual cartoon porn does exist so apparently even some 'normal' people like some of their porn in a cartoon, not fully realistic format. Despite this it has not fully superseded real porn.

> If loli/shota is supposed to be interchangeable with CP then it should have superceded it.
No one claimed interchangeable you disingenuous faggot. There will exist people who strongly prefer real porn to hentai. This doesn't imply there is no overlap.

>buy show thinking it's girl on girl action
>it's a buncha gay guys dancing on ice

It's the mainstream view that loli/shota is 99% equal to CP, the only difference being that nobody is directly harmed in the process of making it. Yet, mysteriously, loli/shota remains the marginalized pastime of anime fans while the actual pedophiles go look for cheese pizza on Tor.

People complain literally every day, year after year, that loli/shota is posing a threat to children, yet nothing ever comes of it. Nothing has come of it for as long as it has existed. There's no pedo epidemic among anime fans, no evidence that there is any more pedophilia among them than normal. Yea Forums is full of pedos and nobody bats an eye, but then Yea Forums is supposed to the pedo HQ of Yea Forums even though nobody there ever posts anything like that.

The show's real name is Yuuri on Ice, not Yuri.

This is catering to tranny fetishism for straight men. Not trannies.

Some people are retarded. But that doesn't mean you should claim things that aren't true like their is no correlation between lolicons and pedophiles or completely ridiculously that there is no overlap.

>no pedo epidemic
There's no child molester epidemic. I doubt anyone went around somehow forcing otaku to give them their honest opinions on the sexual attractiveness of real children.

traps =/= trannies, retard.

It's useless to compare mediums but these shows absolutely exist. Obviously "moe slice of life shows" is vague but I assure you hundreds of bad anime come out on the regular and the good stuff isn't that good. The average american TV show is also garbage though.

This.

Cross-dressers aren't trans, user.

Man Bakuman is trash what are you on about. That show looks like shit the entire time and is paced terribly compared to the already mediocre manga. There is very little pathos or substance to it. If you watch Bakuman and then watch one episode of Sucession and seriously tell me Bakuman is better you're out of your mind

You can find overlap between any two things.

>There's no child molester epidemic.
There is, but nobody is talking about it because anime is more important apparently.

Those shows are a strawman built by people who have never seen any "moe" or slice of life anime and have only heard something about them.

I didn't say they are.

It's not, you just don't watch a lot of good TV like most weebs stuck in their bubble.

Otaku do not exist? By what metric? It is a word used to describe a type of person that does exist, and there are thousands of people that describe themselves as such.

Ecchi garbage doesn't exist? I think those shows are the least of anime's worries but they certainly exist. This show "Why the hell are you here, teacher" is airing right now and fits that description exactly.

"Weebs" have seen more American TV than non-"weebs" have seen anime.

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I didn't say otaku don't exist. I said "otaku" don't exist. The entire Western idea of "otaku" is totally made up. There are no such people. You're fighting against phantoms.

>Ecchi garbage doesn't exist?
There exist shows in the ecchi genre that are bad, but "otaku harem pandering ecchi garbage" does not exist. That's just a word salad vomited out by someone who has no idea what they're saying.

Yeah not anything good though, probably shit that's memed online like firefly.

>they haven't seen my super secret shows that are better than everything else
Maybe you are just rationalizing.

>t. didn't understand lain

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Not really a secret when most shit is readily available for most westerners to stream.

watch tatami galaxy.

The shows that everyone regards as the best are also the most well-known shows, and Americans also have maximum access and exposure to American media.

It isn't. The average autistic video game parody on Newgrounds has better animation than 95% of anime. Because anime barely has any actual animation.

battle royale is the only live action nip film I can tolerate

There's nothing to understand. It's a mess of psychobabble and nonsensical random scenes the creators themselves have admitted having no idea what it was supposed to mean.

This is a myth.

You can name all the outliers that you like, but it's undeniable that most of anime still images with mouth flaps.

*is still images

Go back to Yea Forums you faggots, Sopranos is better than 99.9% of all anime

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>The shows that everyone regards as the best are also the most well-known shows

And the animes with the biggest fanbases are naruto and attack on titan, would you say they're the best?

Otaku pandering happappened precisely because otaku are the only ones who buy merch
Normalfags aren't willing to drop 50 dollars on 2 episode blue rays or 200 dollars on spike speigel figures.
But waifushit? Oh you better believe that 150 dollar figure is going to get hotglued before it's added onto the shelf with the other 200 dollar ones

This is, again, a myth.

Anime is very inaccessible and alien to Americans. The same isn't true for American media.

Otaku pandering didn't happen. There is no such thing. There is no waifushit either. None of this shit that you people keep screaming about is actually real.

>Anime is very inaccessible and alien to Americans. The same isn't true for American media

Yeah, no. Otherwise weebs would not exist.

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"Weebs" watch about five anime and don't even know about the rest, which is my point.

I know what I said and I meant it.

Japan doing show for women
>soft gay romance

Westen countries doing show for women
>women are stronger than men
>women don't need men
>all men are useless

Romance is a genre for brainlets

>"Weebs" watch about five anime and don't even know about the rest, which is my point.

Not the ones i know.

If you go to actual anime communities then you'll find people who've seen more, but even they are mostly just barely above the garden variety "weeb" who posts JoJo memes all day long.

>waifushit isn't real
Surr, thats why everyting from kyoani, the battleharems, and isekai have 90% female cast

>d-doesn't exist
>th-that's a m-myth

funding

watch princess tutu,hunterxhunter(2011),monster,redline,higurashi

you're welcome.

A waifu is a character you're married to. It's entirely subjective.

If something doesn't exist, why should I not say that it doesn't? If something is a myth, why should I not say that it is?

Yeah and most "real weebs" have terrible base level taste in western media. It's almost as if investing all your time into one thing gives you a bias.

They are not, you're just a weeb. The writing, the melodrama, the theatrical VA, the "humor", all of it is so cringe.

the people posting shitty jojo memes are just new to anime. They havent watched enough shows. They are called ironic weebs. The same type of people that spout "TRAPS ARE NOT GAY LOLOLOL" meme. When real trapfags knows that its gay but dont care either way. Fucking closet homos

Again, "weebs" have seen more American shows than non-"weebs" have seen anime. They have maximum access and exposure to American shows, while non-"weebs" know virtually nothing about anime.

Anyone who uses the word cringe to complain about anime is nothing but an NPC.

>They havent watched enough shows.
And most likely never will. Most likely they'll post years later that they "grew out of anime" because battle shounen and similar shows stopped appealing to them. Most people will never learn anything about anime beyond a few basic shows and what other people tell them (which is all bullshit).

>Again, "weebs" have seen more American shows than non-"weebs" have seen anime. They have maximum access and exposure to American shows, while non-"weebs" know virtually nothing about anime

Access doesn't equal taste.

What are you talking about?

Cringe is the perfect descriptor for anime. Especially the voice acting, it's not even an anime specific thing, it's a problem with all Asian media. Even in Korean TV shows the acting is unnecessarily emotionally exaggerated. It always gives an awful campy feel to the film.

Cring is an NPC buzzword that doesn't particularly mean anything.

>Especially the voice acting
This is another NPC thing. You don't actually have any opinion on anime voice acting, you just automatically blurt out that you don't like it, because that's what you're supposed to do.

Anyone can stream pretty much anything with shit like kissanime and hulu, yet most people have shit taste still. It has nothing to do with accessibility.

>Words don't have meaning the second they hurt my feelings
You're just imputing motif but deep down you know i'm right

How does one get back into anime? Last time I saw something it was generic weeb shit with usual panty and boob shot shit every 5 minutes and this was in 2012. DOn't remember what it was called. I haven't touched anime since.

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Very few people watch anything beyond the basics or even know that there exists anything beyond the basics. Even anime communities are full of people who have no idea that there are season charts.

Words don't have meaning the second they don't have meaning. You're the one being programmed to have your feelings hurt.

>watching 2deep4u anime and moeshit
>not being a shounenchad

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>Last time I saw something it was generic weeb shit with usual panty and boob shot shit every 5 minutes
No you didn't, because you are describing something that does not exist. Incidentally, thousands of other people have supposedly seen this very same thing. Because you've all been programmed to spout these lines.

Again, the same could be said about weebs and western TV, they know the basics and that is it.

Again, "weebs" have maximum access and exposure to American TV. They grow up in America with American TV. Everyone around them is watching American TV and talking about American TV.

It does exist. It was about some girl with orange hair being part of some anime club. She was spammed on here all throughout 2012 because that was when the show was on. There was some Gothic loli girl in it too.

Generic doesn't mean anything. That's NPC gobbledygook. Anime can't be weebshit, because weebshit by definition is non-Japanese. Complaining about "usual panty and boob shit every 5 minutes" is more NPC gobbledygook, because the truth is that fanservice is not nearly as common as you've been told and it's not something that just occurs constantly for no reason in any given anime.

On a surface level, they put a lot of attention into minute details lots of people won't notice which makes a lot of their work feel authentic, like you are actually looking into another world via the window that is your TV screen.
Going deeper, their entire entertainment business is practically run by otakus, so there is tons of content catering directly to that demographic. As we all know, otakus are shit people, but they tend to have excellent taste in fiction.

Actually, Tokusatsu from Japan is pretty enjoyable

This. FUnny hting is around 2012-2013 I almost corssed the point of no return when it came to anime shit. I almost turned into a virgin weeb watching crap with loli girls in it or garbage like Seran Kagura. I mostly now just watch anything from 90s and 80s. I'm still discovering hundreds of shows I had no idea existed.

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Most good shows aren't advertised. They would have to access them the same way they'd find "good" anime.

Again: maximum access and exposure. And American shows can't be as niche as anime because of their need to maintain high enough ratings. Anime is not nearly as accessible.

if you're not wearing rose-tinted glasses it's just as shallow. the imagery also bores the fuck outta me and makes me sick just looking at it. take a shower OP.

Words have meaning stupid. You're literally the one finding any excuse to avoid responding directly because someone didn't like your favorite cartoons

Not all words have a meaning.

>You're literally the one finding any excuse to avoid responding directly because someone didn't like your favorite cartoons
I have no idea what you're talking about.

>Again: maximum access and exposure. And American shows can't be as niche as anime because of their need to maintain high enough ratings

And again, with stuff like kissanime and hulu anything is available if you are willing to look

>muh ratings

everyone cares about making money, the only difference is you prefer the way they manipulate you.

lmao, no

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I liked it more as a kid, but other than that, it's infantile and repetitive. I'd take something like Venture Bros any day.

Based.

That's completely theoretical and useless because the fact is that nobody is looking. They have no idea that there's anything to look for. How many Americans think that HBO shows are the only shows ever made, or that Marvel movies are the only movies ever made?

>everyone cares about making money, the only difference is you prefer the way they manipulate you.
Late night anime (i.e. the vast majority of anime) isn't based on ratings at all, and nobody is manipulating me. The point is that American shows can't be as niche as anime.

He owns a support studio that has never made anything. Regardless of industry conditions, he doesn't get to make anything. Even at the time this show was recorded, other studios were making all kinds of artistic or otherwise Western-friendly shows that none of you ever watched. Just because he doesn't like certain kinds of shows doesn't mean other people in the industry don't, such as the animator. How many more times does this image need to be debunked?

Go back to Yea Forums

this and based

>The point is that American shows can't be as niche as anime.

You think this because you have a basic knowledge of the medium.

You havent even demonstrated why words don't have meaning you're just declaring that. Specifically the word cringe, it absolutely has meaning. Are you not a native speaker? Do you want me to define the word for you?

You saying i just throw buzzwords while unironically calling me an NPC and ignoring the main point i have made because you have an emotional attachment to the medium and your feefees got hurt.

I agreed with the first part of your post, but then you ruined it by revealing your faggotry.

I think this because it's a fact. American shows have to appeal to way bigger audiences because of their business model.

>You havent even demonstrated why words don't have meaning you're just declaring that.
You haven't demonstrated why any of these NPC buzzwords have meaning.

>You saying i just throw buzzwords while unironically calling me an NPC and ignoring the main point i have made because you have an emotional attachment to the medium and your feefees got hurt.
Your points are all bullshit and don't magically un-bullshit themselves because you have an axe to grind against anime.

>I think this because it's a fact
Name some obscure shows you have seen then.

Why?

This, manimechads rise up

Why not?

Why did you ask me that question if you can't even explain the reason for it?

Because it is a pretty simple request

That's irrelevant. WHY are you making the request? What relevance does it have?

The burden of proof is on you retard. You're the one with the extraordinary claim that a word has no meaning.

Again with the attempt to avoid confrontation but let's say i'm in fact just an NPC parroting what i heard. That doesn't mean i'm wrong. It literally has zero bearing on the validity of my claims.

I want to see what your exposure to american tv has resulted in.

No, the burden of proof is on you to show that your NPC buzzwords mean anything.

>Again with the attempt to avoid confrontation
?

>That doesn't mean i'm wrong.
You are wrong, though.

Now we're suddenly talking about American TV? Make up your mind.

We have always been talking about both, now go on and list them

None of you faggots got it right. Literature is the only way out of the overwhelming garbage of contemporary media but i don't expect the ADHD generation to be able to read a tweet written by trump let alone a whole fucking book. Stay mad in search of a good show, I have hundreds and hundreds of titles spanning every age of history to choose from.

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I have no reason to list anything, as you yourself have admitted. It seems like a lot of people here, when they are cornered, suddenly ask me to list things. Probably trying to find a way out by complaining about my "shit taste."

>you are wrong, though
oh oh i'm convinced

>Probably trying to find a way out by complaining about my "shit taste."

If you had good taste i would concede but i doubt you do going off everything you have been saying

The reality is that anime has excellent voice acting, and that NPCs are programmed to keep robotically complaining about it regardless.

See, I was right. You're just trying to shift this towards my "shit taste" because you lost the argument but you can't leave and have to instead try to keep this going somehow, to give yourself another opportunity to "win."

Lmao

I did not say anything funny.

Nah. I just wanted to know your extent of knowledge in american television since you seem to consider yourself an expert.

Even if we pretend that, it's still just a fact that American TV and anime have different business models and that the former necessarily has to pursue much larger audiences. It is also a fact that a "weeb" has maximum access and exposure to American TV while the same is not true for anime.

I doubt your mom ever has either but she still gave birth to you

Books are rudimentary gabagool.

Again if you had maximum exposure you would feel comfortable showing the extent of your knowledge

You have no argument.

I never said I'm American, and:

tru

This.

Without books The Sopranos would have never come to be. Books are the source of every tv show/movie produced up to this day, plus they don't have to take shit from LGBTQP audiences because writing books doesn't involve mega corporations looking to appeal to a wider target.

japanese storytelling is inherently different from the western perspectives. its much less restrained, more creative or at least unpredictable. Much looser in form, even within the many tropes you can see several artists try to reinvent and throw the audience curve balls. It's deliciously unique, which makes it vastly different from a standardized form of story-telling the 80's set up and some very important filmmakers cemented.
The live action question the user made is interesting, because japanese cinema between the 30-60's is one of the greatest art expressions we've seen on movies. The industry is simply decadent, with barely any resources to express themselves in a very globalized capitalist cinema industry.

Books are great for ideas but they are terrible forms of storytelling.

>Books are the source of every tv show/movie produced up to this day
If you mean they are all adaptations of books, that's wrong. If you mean they ultimately get their story ideas from books, a book is just a medium for recording a story someone thought of, just like a TV show or movie.

>plus they don't have to take shit from LGBTQP audiences
A lot of writers today are scared of causing offense, and there are even "sensitivity readers" whose job is to read manuscripts to make sure they aren't offensive. This is especially the case in the YA market.

Non americans and nips opinions don't matter to me on this subject tbqh because you are never going to have taste.

Like I said:

pfft

Their theatre is predicated upon wearing masks and costumes to display emotion and character. Because they can’t fucking act.

You can keep quoting yourself all you want at this point i doubt you even like good "obscure" anime since foreigners are even bigger plebs

/thread

take a shower , get laid

nobody cares about anime

>japanese animation
>1979

BASED

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You can keep this up all you want at this point, but you already lost the argument and now you're desperately trying to pivot to a new one so you can try to redeem yourself.

It used to be better. Once anime became the entertainment of choice for western autismos then the whole industry went downhill.

Okay, keep making claims about our media without showing any real knowledge of it or being from here. Real win.

Westerners barely watch anything except battle shounen, and anime isn't tuned for Western consumption anyway.

Yes, it is a win and I already explained why.

You're not supposed to keep typing after you /thread a post you insufferable newfag shittier.

>Westerners barely watch anything except battle shounen,
Any source for this claim?

I really hate the way the wikipedia internet skeptic generation thinks there must always be a convinient source for any claim anyone could ever make, as if sources just pop into existence as soon as something is said.

No, there is no source. There is only my vast experience. Everywhere I go, people are talking about the same few shows and constantly showing a total lack of awareness of anything beyond that.

Yes because you refuse to show your knowledge, you have won.

I already told you why I've won, and you're just proving my point by pretending to not know that. I can't even figure out why you started this argument in the first place and why you're so deeply invested in it.

it just is

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>the creators themselves have admitted having no idea what it was supposed to mean
the fuck? that's angel's egg

holy based batman

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Man, all this work not to show your 10/10 taste. SAD!

You have garbage taste.

No, I don't. You're just a narrow-minded narcissist.

>No, i don't

And he's the narcissists? Lel

Yes.

Post some good anime

Whatever you call sissy anime watcher faggot then like yourself then.

No. This is a trap.

What are you talking about?

Most people care about facts, not your personal experience.

Did you read the post? It doesn't look like you did.

Any good anime this season?

One punch man

Did you?

At a guess, I'd say the West doesn't flex their full artistic and story-telling might in TV shows the way Japan does with anime.
TV shows are produced for a large audience and have to keep themselves very broad in scope to retain their numbers. Anime is able to survive with smaller viewership and so they can allow creators to produce a product they like first, only seeing if something is marketable second. But with companies like Netflix, which are making less expensive TV shows and only releasing them online for smaller but dedicated fans, things might start to change here in that direction.

I kind of like the gimmick but it’s not my cup of tea. Like, I finished the first season and I’m good with that.

>There's good anime every season

I'm the one who wrote it.

>>There's good anime every season
What?

You replied to: Which says, right in the beginning:
>There's good anime every season
And your reply was:
>Any good anime this season?

>But with companies like Netflix, which are making less expensive TV shows and only releasing them online for smaller but dedicated fans, things might start to change here in that direction.

Certain directors/writers are allowed to do this anyway in the US, shit lynch has been doing this since the 90s

Maybe he was asking for a recommendation? You insufferable faggot.

Fair enough. Mob psycho is better imo

wtf Im a weeb now

Pointless at best, a trap at worst.

your post are pointless at most

Those certain directors/writers are predominantly making films, not TV shows, which is my point.

Lynch only has one show and even then it had to be limited. Compare it to Eraserhead, where he can do what he wants and can capture the kind of sentiment that was in his head.

let me have it, steins;gate isnt a 10 for me anymore btw

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No they aren't.

Why would it be a trap? Both posters have remained civil so far. Are you paranoid?

Pretty entry-level list and a weird mix of good and bad tastes.

Yeah, I’ve been eyeing Mob for a while, I’ll give a try soon. If anything I’ll get to watch those kick ass intros it has.

I would say he had a lot of creative freedom with the return and it was a lot more abstract than eraserhead.

It's almost always a trap.

Don't mind me just posting the pinnacle of japanese animation and the one true masterpiece.

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Or it will give you credibility.

>it was a lot more abstract than eraserhead
How so?

What are you talking about?

Unironically because it has mature shows for mature people. Western stuff is 99% shows for literal babies and full of furry shit.

I know this place is kind of a shithole but some people just want to have a conversation, user.

Is that the movie?

Watch for yourself, the runtime alone should be a pretty big indicator showtime did not give a shit.

4 episode OVA. There is another 2 episode OVA, which everyone hates, but I love that one too.

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The animation on his hand is actually pretty stilted, same for when he breathes
The woman is basically just sitting still

Japan's animation is shitty, they just have really good still frames. There are youtube cartoons with more fluidity

Fair enough. Though I don't think it's really indicative of all western TV shows. I'd say if he has that much freedom, it's because of his success as a director and how much of an icon his show was in the 90s. It's not like anybody can just come along and make a TV show about something weird and have it released, unless they go through Netflix

Anime has the best animation in the world. Fluidity does not equal animation quality, and if anime wanted maximum fluidity then they could just simplify all the drawings down to a cartoon level.

That's because most projects don't really have a big animation budget so the directors and animators have to offset animation-heavy cuts with less impressive ones.

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Nice cope

Animation should be fluid and smooth, unless there's an artistic reason why that stilted effect is needed. But there isn't in that webm and there isn't in a lot of anime.
>they could just simplify all the drawings down to a cartoon level.
Yea and then the motion would be good and the artistry would be shit. You can see in major anime fight scenes in shonen crap, they get the fluid thing down right. They clearly know it's a better way to animate. This way is just cheaper and retards don't realize

Is that the only example of rotoscoping done right? Still the story is pretty shit.

Yea of course, but it doesn't stop people taking still frames and acting like it's indicative of the overall animation quality

I think I meant the two episode OVA that takes place in the future of the series but also shows a bit of the protagonist’s past. I liked those.

This is now a sakuga thread.

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There was no cope.

>Animation should be fluid and smooth
In an ideal world without resource limitations.

>They clearly know it's a better way to animate. This way is just cheaper and retards don't realize
They don't consider it a better way to animate. Anime has always gone for higher detail than American animation because it has a completely different way of thinking about animation. If they thought it's best to be as fluid as possible, they'd greatly simplify the drawings. But they don't.

>This way is just cheaper and retards don't realize
It's not cheaper, it just means fewer drawings are produced with a higher level of detail.

It's not rotoscoped.

If you look through, you can find some really good kino. The problem is, it's harder and harder to find anything lately.
>youtube.com/watch?v=FjuAIaAwkUw

I never have any trouble.

Best sports anime there is. Also helps that Dezaki still frames are pure kino.

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>In an ideal world without resource limitations.
Yea like if they had enough money to pay animation teams to make everything smooth
>They don't consider it a better way to animate
They do though, that's why they bring it out in major scenes where it's needed. You can see the animation become smoother and more fluid for the parts that they know people are going to share.
>If they thought it's best to be as fluid as possible
I never said that retard. There's obviously more than goes into it, but it's still an important component and it makes the animation look choppy and bad without it. The resting frames are great, but you fags only ever look at that and nothing else as proof of good animation, when it's really proof of a nice drawing.

It is a lot cheaper to do genre stuff in anime like scifi and fantasy then it is to format it for LATV, thats why it really should be FilmvsAnime which film would absolutley always win.

There is nothing this season. Dororo is from the previous one, and even then, the second half is absolute trash.

Agreed.

5-10 fps

It's not a question of money, it's a question of time and staff availability and skill. The amount of resources needed to produce consistent 12 to 24 FPS animation would be unrealistic even under the best circumstances.

>They do though, that's why they bring it out in major scenes where it's needed.
Again, if they thought that then they would just do it all the time. Anime wouldn't have such a high level of detail. Fight scenes may drop the level of detail because they require a lot of motion and because the lower level of detail becomes obfuscated.

>The resting frames are great, but you fags only ever look at that and nothing else as proof of good animation, when it's really proof of a nice drawing.
Yet we have sakugabooru and sakugablog and MADs, while America has... nothing. People don't even actually care about animation unless they are attacking anime.

My brother. I will never get tired of rewatching it. No matter how many times i rewatch it.
>youtube.com/watch?v=GWQUaPWal-s

Just remember that roughly most of all the tropes you find in tv shows were already employed by books. Literature predated movies and tv series.
>A lot of writers today are scared of causing offense
Doesn't stop you from publishing what you want. Look at Houllebecq he seldom gives a fuck though he went through a world of trouble after publishing his stuff. To make things better you can rely on amazon's self publishing service if all else fails.
Keep telling yourself that while being spoonfed with what corporate media want you to think. Bonus point if you watch anime because they're by far the lowest medium storytelling-wise and hardly brought overseas.

Yes, and literature is just a medium for writing down ideas. It's not literature itself that does anything.

>Doesn't stop you from publishing what you want.
If you are self-publishing or well-established enough. And you just mentioned both.

>Bonus point if you watch anime because they're by far the lowest medium storytelling-wise
No it's not.

Did you like meglobox? I loved it personally.

>it's a question of time and staff availability and skill.
Which is all dependent on a company's finances. Animators don't work for free.
>Anime wouldn't have such a high level of detail
But they can have a high level of detail and decent fluid motion in the scenes that matter. It's clear that they understand if their animation was more fluid it would be better, it's just that it's not feasible to produce that kind of thing all the time. Which is fine, but it doesn't make the animation high quality. Especially when they're strategizing around it and revert every scene that should be filled with movement down to a still or a looped cycle.
>while America has... nothing
I never argued from the American perspective faggot. Stop justifying your ass mad defense of poor animation by attacking a side nobody defended in the first place.
But there are plenty of Western animators on youtube that produce things more neatly animated and full of color and life than the vast bulk of anime. The only possibly reason you wouldn't see that is because you're focused on pretty still frames and nothing else.

Read the full manga once but only ever watched part 2, multiple times though. Joe is too much of an unlikable asshole before wgere part 2 starts.

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Lack of censorship.

American cartoons in the 90's couldn't show the heroes punching the villains.

the old stuff is kino, but yeah recently it's shit. They compensate with anime tho so it's fine

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GOT is proof that tits and gore don't make up for a shit storyline

Animators are not paid much in the anime industry, and there is little individual variance in their pay.

>Which is fine, but it doesn't make the animation high quality.
Anime has the best animation in the world.

>I never argued from the American perspective faggot.
Europe isn't any better.

>Stop justifying your ass mad defense of poor animation
Where has this happened?

>But there are plenty of Western animators on youtube that produce things more neatly animated and full of color and life than the vast bulk of anime.
No there aren't, because a) you confuse fluidity with quality, and b) making a short on your time is completely different from a 12-26 episode TV series with a weekly schedule.

>The only possibly reason you wouldn't see that is because you're focused on pretty still frames and nothing else.
Again:
>Yet we have sakugabooru and sakugablog and MADs

Amen. Fuck that show.

>Anime has the best animation in the world
The world should do better.

What kind of standards are you employing when even the best animation in the world isn't good enough animation? Are you watching animation from alternate realities?

Being the best in a contest of turds isn't much of a victory.

You didn't answer the question.

Wasn't nessescary.

>Europe isn't any better.
Okay? I don't have to be upping a particular region if I'm saying the animation in a webm is of poor quality. You can praise Japanese shit all you like, but it's filled with stilted and choppy animation with momentary scenes that are done really well. Acting as though the animators don't clearly understand which one is better is being obtuse.
>you confuse fluidity with quality
You confuse the detail of a single picture with the quality of animation, which is highly dependent on movement. It makes sense to examine the fluidity of that movement and how it's represented.
>>Yet we have sakugabooru and sakugablog
And I already acknowledged that anime can dump money into the scenes they know will be shared. But that webm that was posted is not well animated and defending 19 minutes of runtime with the 1 minute that was well done is just retarded.

The best animation in the world isn't good enough for you, yet you can't elaborate on what standards you're employing and what they're based on.

There’s not even gore and tits now.

Why don't you elaborate on what standards lead you to believe anime has the best animation? I don't think the stories are interesting, but your average Pixar film is much tighter and smoother, while managing to retain that quality for the entire film.

Where did all the tropes and archetypes come from? Surely you won't believe Tony Soprano to be a completely original character? Literature laid the foundations for modern storytelling way before movies existed.

>No it's not.
>main target is kids and the otaku niche
>dumbed down plots to accomodate even the most intellectually disabled person in the world
>surplus of copycat titles, popular genres that NEVER innovate the medium despite having hundreds and hundreds of shows (moeshit and shounenshit)
>budget issues pulling the plug to most shows before they reach a conclusion
>overusage of tedious and repetitive tropes
>forced fanservice to increase sales to the point of being annoying as fuck
Honestly watching anime feels like going through the same painful shit every time and being left with disappointment afterwards. I'd argue that manga has more valid titles, but they're still few and far between compared to what literature has to offer. All things considered, anime is as awful as american tv, perhaps even worse and more trashy since the japs are bent down on catering to the same niche circle of neckbeards who squander their money on gachas and body pillows. You can't make this up, anime is just plain shit compared to any other medium. Fuck if I'm ever watching another weebshit show again.

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Failed Lain. Was unable to connect and hit a dead line.

>Okay? I don't have to be upping a particular region if I'm saying the animation in a webm is of poor quality
Anime is constantly blamed for supposedly poor animation and not caring about animation, yet it is anime where the sakuga community developed, not anywhere else.

>You can praise Japanese shit all you like, but it's filled with stilted and choppy animation with momentary scenes that are done really well.
Fluidity is not quality and maintaining absolutely consistent quality is impossible unless you reduce the complexity to toddler levels.

>Acting as though the animators don't clearly understand which one is better is being obtuse.
Detail > fluidity in the anime industry. This is fact.

>You confuse the detail of a single picture with the quality of animation
Except this did not occur anywhere.

>It makes sense to examine the fluidity of that movement and how it's represented.
It makes no sense to think that fluidity is the only thing that goes into making animation.

>And I already acknowledged that anime can dump money into the scenes they know will be shared.
It's not about money and it's not about anticipating what scenes will be shared, especially since anime has been around far longer than easy internet video sharing.

>But that webm that was posted is not well animated and defending 19 minutes of runtime with the 1 minute that was well done is just retarded.
Well-animated doesn't mean just cartoon characters spazzing out.

It has the highest level of detail, it has the most diverse animation, and in general the highest quality animation. It also has the best shot composition and cinematography. Disney (back when they still did hand-drawn animation) was better in some limited ways.

>your average Pixar film is much tighter and smoother, while managing to retain that quality for the entire film
False comparison.

>Detail > fluidity

If that's true animators are lame.

>Where did all the tropes and archetypes come from?
From people's imaginations, not from books. Also, plays predate novels. But plays, like anything else, were just a medium for recording someone's ideas.

>main target is kids and the otaku niche
Most anime isn't made for children, and "otaku" in the Western sense do not exist. You're also not actually saying anything about quality here.

>dumbed down plots to accomodate even the most intellectually disabled person in the world
No they're not. If anything, many anime are too complicated for their own good.

>surplus of copycat titles
Anime has extremely diverse and original storytelling. What you're actually complaining about is the existence of genres, which is common to all forms of fiction.

>(moeshit and shounenshit)
Moe is not a genre of any kind. Shounen is a demographic. Dragon Ball and Your Lie in April are both shounen.

>budget issues pulling the plug to most shows before they reach a conclusion
It has no relation to budget, and a similar problem exists in America where shows are cancelled prematurely. Anime is actually better off because they (adaptations of light novels and manga) nearly always end in a controlled manner.

>overusage of tedious and repetitive tropes
Tropes are universal and not unique to anime.

>forced fanservice to increase sales to the point of being annoying as fuck
Sexuality is universal to fiction, and fanservice doesn't exist in anime to increase sales.

>Honestly watching anime
You don't watch it, though. Your post makes it very obvious.

>the japs are bent down on catering to the same niche circle of neckbeards who squander their money on gachas and body pillows
This isn't happening.

>never watching another weebshit show agai
Anime by definition isn't weeb.

The entire existence of a sakuga community is vindicating what I'm saying. That anime manages to pick itself up for a very small window each season and can produce something that's very well animated. But the sole fact that such a community exists is showing you that the rest of anime is poorly animated and dull. You can't make a defense of a 20 minute production when one minute (or even less) is the only thing of quality about it.

>Fluidity is not quality and maintaining absolutely consistent quality is impossible
But they do retain consistent quality when they're not being impressive. Scenes of people just walking around and talking are all consistent. Consistently shit.

>Detail > fluidity in the anime industry. This is fact.
So fucking what? It doesn't mean the animation itself is good. The existence of an industry trend doesn't mean the trend is a positive. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>It makes no sense to think that fluidity is the only thing that goes into making animation
Show me where I said this.
Animation is about movement, while there's more to it, the fluidity of that motion is itself a cornerstone of the art form. There are situations where rough movement are fine, particularly for artistic reasons, but they don't apply to the majority of anime.

>Well-animated doesn't mean just cartoon characters spazzing out.
Why don't you actually respond to the crux of my point there? That you cannot defend an entire production with a single well done scene.

>False comparison
Fucking how?

Why would they be?

I like fluidity more than a shit ton of detail, i'd watch stickman fight as long as it flowed well and looked natural.

The sakuga community isn't just about single clips, it's a community for animation appreciation, analysis and research. Not just animation itself, but the whole production process. There is only a limited amount of stand-out animation in any given show because it's impossible for it to be otherwise. American shows, meanwhile, rarely have any stand-out animation at all, and even then it's only good by American standards.

>You can't make a defense of a 20 minute production when one minute (or even less) is the only thing of quality about it.
This is a meme.

>But they do retain consistent quality when they're not being impressive. Scenes of people just walking around and talking are all consistent. Consistently shit.
They aren't shit just because they feature limited animation, and basic walking and talking scenes can still have many quality variations because there's more to it than just how many frames of animation are used.

>So fucking what? It doesn't mean the animation itself is good.
We are talking about your delusion that Japanese animators prefer fluidity over detail.

>Show me where I said this.
Well what else have you said on the topic?

>Animation is about movement, while there's more to it, the fluidity of that motion is itself a cornerstone of the art form.
This is just a mistaken American idea.

>Why don't you actually respond to the crux of my point there? That you cannot defend an entire production with a single well done scene.
Where was an entire production defended with a single scene?

>Fucking how?
Pixar movies are 3D animated. They are movies. They are movies with budgets of $150 million dollars or more.

Because that's what animation is. It's an art form about movement. You can't substitute that with a detailed picture which the other faggot is secretly trying to do.

Attack on Titan

>Because that's what animation is. It's an art form about movement.
Anime is a storytelling and filmmaking artform and has to be thinking about more things than just how much movement can be arbitrarily crammed onto the screen.

>You can't substitute that with a detailed picture
You can, and that's exactly what anime often does.

It should but your here instead

Ah, makes sense.