I'VE FOUND MAJOR, UNEXPLAINABLE PLOTHOLE IN ENDGAME
ok so the time travel in endgame happens by shrinking to the quantum realm, by using pym particles.
there was scene when scott said that they should be carefull cause they dont have more particles to use since Pym is dusted,
they have enough for one jump to the past and back for each person + 2 test jumps
then he shrinks to small but not subatomic sizes accidentaly, and says its down to 1 test jump ( hawkeye volunteered for that one)
SO HOW THE FUCK ANTMAN SHRINKS DOWN AND BACK IN NEW YORK 2012??? where did he get particles from for that??
couldnt they figure the other way to steal teseract without antman shrinking?
also after that during final fight antman again use pym particles right and left to be big or small. (maybe cap took more particles from military base in 1970 and gave them to scott offscreen if you wanna tryhard for explanation)
but that wont explain why he could shrink in new york
I'VE FOUND MAJOR, UNEXPLAINABLE PLOTHOLE IN ENDGAME
>watches capeshit
>wtf why is it shit?
Imagine being so dense that you have to be spoonfed information because you can't keep up with a kids movie.
i found stupid that thanos wear that gauntlet after he destroyed the stones two days after
they should have not bothered to explain how time travel works and just done it; keeping their 'turn off your brain, bro' argument
I think it's fused to his skin and he can't take it off but that might just be my headcannon
The movie is a fucking mess. Captain America fucked up the ending by causing a paradox and fucking with the rules set out by the fucking film
>Timetravel
Stopped reading there. Its a movie about space monsters, magic, Gods and talking animals. It doesnt need bulletproof time travel logic
Shrinking and growing doesn't use a full unit(tube) of pym particles, but a portion of it.
The more you shrink/grow, the more you use. shrinking to quantum realm empties a full tube.
Antman uses a portion to accidentally shrink so you have one tube that can't be used for quantum shrinking, but the rest of that tube can be used for regular antman stuff.
>It doesnt need bulletproof time travel logic
when it spends an entire scene explaining how it works, it does
There was a pretty interesting issue in the final battle - antman is trying to fix the time-travel van, and he says "I gotta hot-wire it", and the scene cuts back to the battle. Look at the left side of the screen at this time - there's antman, 50ft tall, fighting another guy flying dude, seconds after saying he's working on the van. The shot only lats like 2 seconds, but holy shit what an oversight.
They could have gone to the past to steal more pym particles FIRST so they'd have more than one shot at the whole thing.
>But but- muh closed loop...
>I-It's just a dumb popcorn movie who cares
Fuck off you pathetic MCUck
they know they dont need to make a story that makes sense or care about continuity. As long as marvel characters meet other marvel characters, then the movie will be a financial success.
this is literally now their business model, every film since Spiderman Homecoming has been a team up
this
Holy shit I thought I was the only one who saw that
This shit film ignroes something simple as a butterfly effect
And they did it flawlessly
the scene is fine. forgetting about the logic later on in the film is why its fine to pick this film apart though
I was trying to figure out how nobody mentioned it, they had to render that entire scene and nobody gave a shit apparently lol
>time travel doesn't impact this timeline, necessarily
>Cap proceeds to be on that bench
All they had to do, was cut when Sam says "Cap?" Or show a bag that has a note on it for them to find after, then immediately cut to him with Carter. That's all they had to do
But then they went and 1. Threw away their time travel explanation for a shit scene and 2. Threw away half the emotional resonance for a shit hand-off. If they were worried about giving one of them the shield, just make it a pre-title scene to that new movie
Correct. Thinking about it, they could have handled in so many ways...
I actually went back and checked my camrip and yep, there he is, what the fuck.
kys shills.
More than likely they rendered first then spliced it in a different order without double checking. Much cheaper to do continuous rendering and splice than on/off rendering
so cap aged slightly better than your average person, even with the juice
did being trapped in ice help even more
i as expecting a bigger old man
The last CGI scene clearly had parts that they were working on and adding to up until the last second. Maybe it was an issue with my theater but I noticed a point right before the Cap/Thor/Tony fight with Thanos where the CGI was literally running at 12 frames a second. You could notice the embers around Thanos were start-stopping and some frames were missing from Thanos' animations. It was noticable too because he was just talking and standing there.
Then Cap picked up Thor's hammer and I clapped.
where was hulk, he could have used his other arm to snap again
Something else that was stupid is why didn't giant Ant Man just crush the shit out of Thanos?
also scarlet tits pretty much had thanos
That's accurate and obvious in the film, other guy is just retarded.
anyone else catch the kid from ironman 3 at the funeral?
stan lees caneo sucked
wow. this is so fucking nerdy.
quantum pym particles ? seriously ? people buy this shit ?
my question is more simple
>5 year timeskip
>dab and fortnight is still relevant
>dat stronk wymyn scene
This. End of the thread.
There are TON of fucking other loops in the film and you chose like most pathetic one OP.
Like... How the fuck did Thanos transfered one gigant ass ship through the time portal with only one jump?
been wondering who that was. he was the only person in that hole scene that i couldn't recognize.
the planet has half the people so trends last double
Yeah, it's truly sad that was the last time we'll see him.
Even his Captain Marvel cameo was better
I rarely visit Yea Forums these days, just way too busy with my professional endeavors. After returning from the gym and enjoying a high protein breakfast, I just so happen to login and see this post. I feel pity for you. You are so entrenched and invested in meaningless constructs concerning the merits of various children’s movies that you are involuntarily compelled to continue to type the same criticisms over and over again. But to you, they are not criticisms, they are simply a way to keep the conversation from ending, because like an alcoholic, without that next drink, you would be forced to sober up and see the pathetic carnage that is your meaningless and self destroyed life. Soon, most normal people will grow and move on from posting on Yea Forums about Marvel and Star Wars movies, but sadly and pitifully, you will still be here, with the others like you, drinking from the same glass. Your future is bleak.
>giving a shit about plotholes and writing in capeshit
Jesus christ I stopped thinking after splinter saved Antman from the deus ex machina realm
i think i heard that he had filmed one for spiderman far from home
so that might be his last
>I just so happen to login and see this post
Yeah, that's why you're posting this same drivel on multiple threads. You're a brainwashed mouseshill, just admit it.
soooo loki got the tesseract twice?
>Tesseract gets broken down into the space stone
How does cap return it to SHIELD as the tesseract?
>tony and cap being speaking in vague, general terms when talking about going to the 70s
were they just trying to save the reveal?
i think antman and hulk were the best parts even thor
i really liked natasha and cliff
they were really trying hard trying to kill themselves
is that what happens when somebody who knows how to fight uses mjolnir?
cap was out there looking like a paladin
her dying made sense, but i think it dragged on too much, it lost some dramatic tension
...
The Reality Stone
>namefag
>replying to pasta
>phone posting
Imagine caring about a manchild capeshit movie.
>effects are limited to proximity to reality stone
frank grillo was back!
wait, what did cap do with the hammer?
he traveled back in time with it
did he have to return that too?
Even fantasy movies have to play by the rules they make
Fucking this. I was very pleased with the way they hadled time travel and then they break the logic in the last 5 minutes for no purpose at all
so was that really natalie portman?
where was her titty assistant?
I assumed he was meant to return it to alternate timeline Thor.
just dropped by to tell you I didn't read any of that shit. do something useful with your life, dipshit
Yes.
i like that thor was smart enough to realize that he could pull both the hammer and the axe
Tony was impotent so how did he have a kid.
I'm more interested in what happened when Cap went to return the soul stone and met Red Skull there. Did he just say: hi here's the stone we don't need it anymore? Did they have a lovely chat and said final goodbye to each other?
Here's another one. After Ragnarok spent it's time showing that Mjolnir was just a hunk of metal, and that THOR was the source of the lightning, why the fuck was Cap able to use lightning in combat against Thanos
Also, why give the shield to Sam, when he would make a pathetic Captain America, given that he isn't enhanced in any way, when Bucky is standing behind him? Just as a fuck you to the comics?
>ywn hang out with meek and corg
>"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
gee, I dunno
I don't see anything smart about that. Imagine wielding a longsword in one hand and a gladius in another. What kind of fighting is that? At least Cap's configuration of hammer and shield is practical not to mention the combos he pulled off
beyond that, how does it ever get returned?
or maybe it never has to be?
thanos was the first to ever obtain it?
>thanos was the first to ever obtain it?
In IW it's stated no one has ever found it, so we can assume so, yeah.
i meant he realized that the hammer was still whole at the time, he pulled it
How did Thanos and all his minions travelled to the future?
>Bucky is standing behind him
That shit pissed me off. When they saw old Steve the should have both come to him. It's like
>friendship ended with bucky
>now sam is my best friend
This is an issue of editing, not VFX rendering or something. A friend of mine also told me he noticed a few scenes where the music score stopped suddenly, which again gives a bad taste in editing.
Was this movie rushed?
so nobody really knows how to "return" it
i wonder if cap just kept it or chucked it at redskull
>Also, why give the shield to Sam, when he would make a pathetic Captain America, given that he isn't enhanced in any way
He's enhanced... He's black.
So now that the stones are gone from the prime universe there's literally nothing stopping Dormammu from taking over right?
Hank Pym
The stones are not really gone, the Eternals got them
it's to show the kids and manchildren that the gauntlet was destroyed without recalling the ending of the first movie so you don't get dumb questions like
>why isn't thanos using the infinity gauntlet now this is bs
you think strange despised stark so much that he made it seem like the only was to an hero?
I don't know if this is a plothole but consider this.
Tonsberg, was settled by the Asgardians cause it was empty. Tonsberg has a population of 41000 today now half or all of those civilians are back and will find their houses with squatters. Sure the Asgardians might as well be Nordic but they are still squatting in a house you owned and never agreed to abandon.
So what now?
There’s another inconsistency.
The ancient one tells banner that the infinity stones need to be returned to their original timeline to stop the splitting of timelines right?
Hence why cap goes on a mission to return the stones (and mjolnir)
Then what about the fucking tessesrct that Loki stole and used to disappear with when they bungled that attempt? That didn’t happen in any timeline. It’s s new breakaway timeline.
Why could Banner wield Eye of Agamoto?
Why could Thanos wield Stormbreaker?
and what of those people living in heavily populated areas
they were living the dream
no traffic
no lines
some people might have liked it better with half the people gone
Loki still has one.
Cap just returned them.
And how about Thor taking Mjolnir from Dark World? How did he defeat Malekith without Mjolnir?
I hate time travel movies so much
it seems like loki obtained it twice now
thor 3 and now end game in the past?
>The ancient one tells banner that the infinity stones need to be returned to their original timeline to stop the splitting of timelines right?
I think she was just talking about it because she new that Strange will need the timestone to deal with Dormammu later. BTW why didn't she know about Thanos? She just didn't look far enough into the future i guess?
I don't know. I kinda like some trash collectors to go pick up all the stuff lying around.
Whales are fucked though.
Were you texting during the movie user? Steve took the hammer back with the stones
>Hence why cap goes on a mission to return the stones (and mjolnir)
How about having to return not the pure stones, but the stones in their containers (Tesseract, Aether, Scepter). These things don't exist anymore when Cap travels back once and for all.
When he goes back to return the stone. He meets up with Stark before he leaves with the Tesseract. They swap. Tony takes the stone and Cap puts the Tesseract back. Easy because this movie says fuck time travel . What you do in the past changes nothing
but he brought back his shield
How did cap know exactly what Doctor Pym was expecting in the past?
And? He left the hammer and the ether on asgard. What does shield have to do with it
also what the fuck was it
he took the shield from past therefore they never had it in future until he gave it to Sam
Because antman shrunk to SUBATOMIC by accident. Just shrinking and resizing/inflating isn't using the entire tube.
Odin cast the 'worthy' spell on Mjolnir not the Stormbreaker
Bald lady gave Banner the stone, so there
Kek that is my new headcannon
loki taking it doesnt really matter since the issue was with them taking the stones out of those realities.
the stone is still there AND in the hands of exactly who thanos takes it off. you do remember that thor takes it to asgard and then thanos takes it from thors ship
This. What was this whole dialog about some glowing box after which Pym rushed outside?
You think Stark fucked Nebula on the ship?
>he took the shield from past
what stopped him from getting wakanda to fix it?
>yfw strange could cut thanos's hand with a portal from the very beginning but just wanted stark to die so instead he went on with these 4d chess
He gave up his Avenger life to live his life with Peggy, he would never meet T'Chala because there would be no Civil War
that conversation between cap and stark in front of antman, right before they travel back to the 70s might have something to do with it
Why wasn't Bucky chosen to be cap? He's a way better fighter and fit.
he has the power of affirmative action behind him.
shut up autist
Loki only used the Tesseract to portal away. The Tesseract never left that space time continuum
>black panther carrying the gauntlet
why did i immediately think NFL
So why literally none of the good ones do?
It doesn't need time travel at fucking all. Holy shit. I'm so tired of shit writers writing themselves into a fucking hole, then hitting the eject button. God damn they had the PERFECT chance to let the Avengers live up to their name and avenge the dusted half of the universe by bringing Thanos to justice and helping the universe rebuild. Ok, cool. You could even get a post dust universe where you could come up with some really cool stories. Instead we get this drooling hackneyed shit that amounts to a kid on the playground coming up with new powers. "Nuhuh! I can go back in time and kill you BEFORE you beat me!" Horse shit. Imagine having rock bottom expectations and STILL getting let down.
professor hulk is not good at fighting no he has lost rage monster hulk
You didn't seriously think they'd kill of half of their new moneymaking franchises did ya?
It was obvious everyone was gonna get respawned.
Yeah time travel was solved so fucking quick too. Like 2 scenes and no struggle, and everyone was so flippant about the tech once they got it. Like a new iPhone or something.
That was my favorite part. I don’t have any doubt in my mind Strange was like “fuck tony stark” with that whole 1 in 14 million bullshit. Might as well have given tony the middle finger at the end.
They could have done something else. Like I don't know, having still prime Thanos ready to battle and have the avengers look out for him and the stones to undo shit, now with Cap Marvel and stuff. They could have used the Quantum Realm to do something different...
Man, they destroyed the Stones in Endgame, not IW. It was not necessary. Just find a way for them to get the Stones...
>Strange actually only visited 10 realities
>in 7 of them, they win; it was actually piss easy, no one dies
>Checks out the others for shits and giggles
>delightfully_devilish.mp3
>Strange decides upon the one where tony and black window die
Most of the plot holes itt are minor at best compared to the fact that cap went back to return the stones and stays in a timeline where there's another cap
does he euthanize his past self? what the fuck were they thinking with that
I mean you're not wrong. The time travel shit is such a slippery slope, but I can see why they decided to go for it. It gives room for a lot of sappy scenes the audience will love. Stark meeting his Dad, etc etc. It's low hanging fruit.
WHY ISNT BUCKY THE NEW CAP WHAT THE FUCK AHHHHH I HATE N*GG*RS
I think it's implied that there's two caps living simultaneously. Ones frozen in the ice and the other is living the family life.
Bros, who the FUCK was the other younger guy that the camera panned over during the funeral scene at the end? The one standing by himself.
I don't recognize him.
Ancient one could never see the future beyond the point of her death, she says this literally 20 seconds before she dies in Doctor Strange.
It was a young Thanos.
The movie would be literally better if they did a DBZ crossover and just wished everyone back
If they can't change the past how did old Cap magically appeared at the end, shouldn't he be on a different timeline?
The kid from Iron Man 3.
Wolverine
Young Bruce Wayne.
Except instead of Loki being in prison in Asgard (which affects the events of Thor 2) Loki is now running around with the tesseract. So it’s a new timeline
>tfw remember absolutely nothing from Iron Man 3.
Go out and have sex
He was always there. That Cap is from a different timeline where the same shit happens.
Low iq post
It’s in a different timeline now as explained by the ancient one.
Remember Loki is supposed to be given the mind stone in the form of the sceptre to invade New York. Objective? Take the tesseract and give to thanos.
Yet now Loki isn’t in prison in Asgard (so cant help Thor in Thor 2) and he’s running around with a tesseract.
one, thats all wrong. two, whats stopping him from visiting t'chalas dad and getting his shield fixed. whats stopping him from altering the timeline at all since its a split timeline by default with him being there
Probably this. Imaging spending literally years of watching millions of outcomes. This shit would drive any sane man crazy.
Of course Disney were going to go the diversity route.
I’m sure they’ve looked at the last 5 years of progressive rewrites of beloved marvel characters in marvel comics and seen what an unprecedented success it’s been turning iron man into a teenage Afro American girl, hulk into a Millennial Asian American, Thor into a woman, wolverine into woman and having about 5 relaunches of captain marvel issue 1....
No, that Cap is the one that had just gone to the past, isn't? But instead of coming back he decided to live in the past, that way he's old. But them by the way they explained time travel earlier he shouldn't be part of this timeline that the everything happened because he just created another one!
Shit forgot this movie completely, thanks
>I'VE FOUND MAJOR, UNEXPLAINABLE PLOTHOLE IN ENDGAME
You have an interesting life, user...
If they could get Gamorra back from the past why didn't they got Black Widow from the past too?
Man, the new avengers look lit!
>ugly miscast negress thor
>brie "the big cheese" larson
>diversity hire capt
There is no paradox, he just creates a new timeline. It's explained at least two times in the film.
>It’s in a different timeline now as explained by the ancient one.
that's not what she said at all.
Clearly most of you retards in this thread paid no attention to the movie. They clearly state that when time traveling, nothing you do in the past can change the future.
And you lack some basic reading skills. I know what they said in the movie. Still, time travel is cheap and it wasn't even a good execution. They could have done something better without time travel shenanigans.
Thanos is worthy, user.
In reality they want to force w*ite men out of every known hobby. They do this because they're bored, and only w*itey can invent new pass times. Get out of the video games and go invent a new sport, pigskins. Tired of watching the same shit.
Anyone can carry Stormbreaker.
Nothing CAN and nothing SHOULD change the past are two different things.
Because Stormbreaker isnt special like the hammer was
>Why could Banner wield Eye of Agamoto?
when did he do that?
someone will respong angrily to you about how hes in the main timeline if he lived in a split timeline, not considering that he may have traveled there after living out his life in the other timeline.
someone may skip that entirely and revert to saying its not a split timeline since hes still there and youre a retarded faggot for defending capeshit.
someone less retarded but still quite dumb will reply to my first point and ask how come he didnt appear at the platform instead of the bench, not remembering that the watches let the travel through space and time anywhere they wish but have a solid tether back home to the right place and time, which is why cap and iron man could further travel back in time without the platform.
>but what if this is only possible going backwards instead of forward or lateral
there was nothing stopping cap from waiting a minute until the present became his past and traveling one minute into the past into the main timeline
weak bait
I think the machine should have brought back a bag with the Quantum Suit, and a case with a note on it that said "Bucky". And in the case was Cap's shield. Roll credits.
lol I didn't understand anything that you explained.
I was not expecting it. Wanda manhandled the shit out of Thanos. It's always the quiet ones.
this is better
>Then Cap picked up Thor's hammer and I clapped.
oof
>not considering that he may have traveled there after living out his life in the other timeline
But we know that was not the case. Writers meant he was in the original timeline, living low profile while the other Cap was saving the world. That means Causal/Closed Loop, that is bull crap.
ah so you are a point 2 kind of retard. reread the post and this time believe it instead of your own broken brain
I remember the kid but damn he is like a teenager absolutely nobody will know who that is without being told after.
They don't need the machine to "travel through time," but they do need it to make sure they properly return to their original reality. That's why they didn't need to bother with it to go to the 70's since they're just making another reality anyways. Your suggestion of him waiting in his alternate reality and then jumping back 1 minute to try and get back to the original timeline wouldn't work, he'd just make an extra reality.
So far the only plausible explanation is all we see in Endgame isn't the true original universe, but it's actually an alternate one Cap decided to retire in already, basically meaning there's infinite universes of Endgame playing out because Cap was determined to retire in new realities.
Typical Cap though
The thing i dont get. They say they all only have enough pym particles to go to the past and come back. Past nebula stole future nebulas pym particles to go back and pretended to be future nebula. Past nebula couldnt have given thanos pym particles cause she needed to use it all to go to the future, so how was she able to bring thanos from the past to the future? Did i miss something?
Point 2 retard here. Redpill me on how that is the original timeline.
Did Tonys sacrifice really need to happen? I mean they weren't getting absolutely blown out, I feel like they wold have won regardless
have sex
>not expecting it
>Holds off 5-stone wielding Thanos with one hand while destroys another with the other.
>Surprised when she has both hands free and makes a stoneless Thanos her bitch.
Holy fuck who gives a shit you sobbering goon of a duck. Put your toys away, wipe your dribbling asshole and HAVE SEX.
>MAJOR, UNEXPLAINABLE PLOTHOLE
>immediately brings up time travel
that's where I get off
This. It's like nobody on the battlefield saw what Scarlett Witch did to Thanos. All they really have to do is to protect her and let her finish Thanos off
I mean it was a shitty reveal anyways
That, and apparently Wasp leaves the van to join for the group shot of the ladies and then proceeds to not just ask Carol for the gauntlet and just go atomic and sneak the gauntlet past everyone.
Another major plothole:
The Space Stone and the Mind Stone were still within the Tesseract and Loki's Scepter, respectively. In order to remove the stones from these items, they had to be destroyed/damaged.
When Cap is sent back to restore the timeline, he only has single stones by themselves. He wouldn't be able to re-create the Tesseract or Scepter.
I counted that scene in IW as more desperation than anything. Like how Cap was able to hold Thanos for one second before getting swatted. Kinda like what happened to Wanda two seconds later. Did not expect her to go full on comics rage mode and turn Thanos into a stuffed toy to smack around.
What happend to that blonde chick from Everwood that was Cap's gf for like one scene in some movie?
Not in the movie, but in reality they simply can't afford to pay him anymore.
They mention it in IW that it can make lesser people mad with power.
In the old cap timeline he is her uncle
He can just go to Tilda Swinton first and ask her to do the healing part.
The real issue is why was 2014 Thanos so surprised at the power stone when he had already given the mind stone away to Loki and knew where the space stone was.
She was as good as her aunt so Cap made the obvious choice
How can some retard on Yea Forums come up with a better ending than a $600m team
Cap using both hands to hold back one of Thanos'. I feel like Thanos was just more surprised than stopped. He's like trying to swat away a toddler and is surprised when the toddler catches your hand and you're caught off guard. Then lays out the toddler like a sack of potatoes.
>given the mind stone away to Loki
This is so stupid jesus christ. Imagine risking your entire life's goal by giving one of the necessary items to a guy called lord of mischief
this, so fucking pointless
and this
Because the ancient one willingly handed it over. Same reason Thanos could when Strange surrendered the time stone. Also the hammer was enchanted by Odin to only be wielded by the worthy. Kinda too dead to do that by the time of IW.
>Disney can't afford--
bullshit.
Just one? You’re not even trying.
I'll add you one better I thought of after hitting enter. It's not the heavy, theatrical music of Avengers playing during the credits. It's the song playing that Cap wanted to dance to with Peggy Carter. The one from the flashback in Ultron, and the one playing when he went into his room where Fury was hiding. The same song they gave us when we actually got to see Cap and Peggy dancing at the end of Endgame. There is no need for us to see it. We would know.
It's not bullshit because he is now rich enough to ask for a percentage. And Disney only has 100 of those, despite how much money they make.
Reality stone to put em back
That’s too subtle for the children and manchildren
The bald chick states the reason why the infinity stones must be returned to their respective timeline is because that particular timeline will fall into chaos or ruin if the stones are missing. But Thanos destroyed the mainline MCU's timeline infinity stones. So the Marvel universe we know are basically screwed? How will these missing stones screw the universe over?
Same here. Thanos had just finished fighting Tony, who surprised him with his toughness and resiliency. I think Cap caught him off guard, and Thanos was merely curious to see how strong Cap was before smacking him away. I also saw something somewhere that suggested the stones in the Gauntlet react to a user's will, and they may have been reacting to Steve's will, like a power struggle. It could be why Thano's used his other hand to clock Steve, knocking him away from the Gauntlet. Not a likely scenario, as I do not think Steve could control all of it. But, Steve did pick up Mjolnir. Maybe he made Thanos nervous, kinda like how Thor got nervous when Steve budged Mjolnir.
Who were the guys at the end talking about when one of them said "they both know".
> I didn't listen to a single fucking thing banner or the ancient one said
And you are the type of moron that complains about a movie not following it's own established time travel rules. Even though they are set up, explained by multiple characters and followed.
Yea Forums really is a bunch of absolute fucktards
>rich enough to ask Disney for a percentage
>Contract expires. No need to renew it because character's arc is over and Actor is tired of playing the same character for 11 years.
once again. bullshit.
Hmm yes but what if HULG DU ZMASH?
Far fucking better.
Ah, but it would raise the acceptability of the movie just a little bit. Make it a bit more kino. And a little less shit on. Little touches make a movie better. Forgetting Ant Man and Wasp were in the fucking van to prep the time travel machine and making Ant Man Giant Man stomping on enemies while the Wasp poses in girl squad was a fuck up. Little things.
Also explain to me how they shrinked then expanded the spaceship if the number of particles was limited.
Couldn't that have been the Wasp? While she hasn't gone big before aren't their suits almost identical visually?
Thanks for the answer.
A regular average joe could hold the time stone and be fine. They don't all make you instantly disintegrate
Not really an inconsistency.
Ancient One just used it as an explanation as to why she refused to give the stone away, this doesn't mean a new timeline wasn't created when Loki beamed away, it just means the Avengers fucked up slightly and might've screwed over another timeline.
So did the mind stone not tell THanos about time travel?
They can co-exist. He just doesn't have to interact with him.
black widow and vision
He already picked up all the gems. That alone would kill him regardless of what he does next. Also it was too risky to not use the gauntlet with all the gems next to Thanos and surrounded by his troops. Also we don't know how many people would have died trying to kill Thanos and his troops, so sacrificing himself to save the others is not so bad.
>this doesn't mean a new timeline wasn't created when Loki beamed away
Why would it? He just teleported away, he didn't dimension-hop.
Whether the timeline rubber bands back or they have to go look for loki again is a different discussion, but he didn't create anything by just taking the galactic uber.
>helping the universe rebuild
How would that be enjoyable to watch for 3 fucking hours?
>how the fuck did the hulkbuster armor get underneath the hut silently?
>why didn't hulk heal his snap burn in a matter of seconds or minutes?
>if 5 years was just 5 hours for ant man why did pym's wife age in real time?
brehss.......
If the snap happened in daytime africa why was hawkeye's family in america getting dusted during daytime too?
I think she means the stones are important in defeating many of the threats the avengers faced in their movies. Without the time stone they wouldn't be able to stop dormammu for instance.
This but unironically
fucking perfect tits
why dont they go back in the past to bring back tony stark and black widow like they did gamora?
The black norse valkyrie wasnt enough to tell you to turn your brain off?
Reminder that the past 11 years was actually a separate timeline prime!Cap made by staying with Peggy
Then how did he get back
I guess we'll never know. It's like History Channel Vikings vs Vinland Saga. One is low brow and accessible and one takes a triple digit IQ to appreciate, you know?
The ass joke really felt out of place. A man from middle of 20 century would never joke about it
How did who get back, Old Cap? He's prime!Cap based on that pic's theory, the one from a different timeline and who caused the split that makes up the MCU.
Introducing time travel is just pure laziness. They rendered all previous consequences and decisions null and completely throw out everything that happened before with a new timeline. Might as well have been one movie and not the thousand that built up to this trash.
He didn't answer
I am not even a fan (or hater), but damn, that bothers me. Damn cheap.
>if 5 years was just 5 hours for ant man why did pym's wife age in real time?
Shit like this pisses me off, too.
>The 1 in 14billion was actually the one where Tony dies, not Thanos
I love it
And that is something she doesn’t know. She specifically says in Dr. Strange that she’d never been able to see beyond the point of her own death. Strange uses the Time Stone to stymie Dormammu, but that in no way means it was the only way to defeat him.
Why can't there be 2Cap?
Why don’t they take the Time Stone to their bodies and time-reverse them back to life like a Thanos did with a Vision?
And I truly wish more people understood just how shitty a close-out that is for his character. That means he spent his whole life doing nothing for literally no reason. He’s not “preserving the timeline.” He’s quite literally free to do whatever he wants. Apparently what he wants to do is not be a hero and abandon his best friend to literal decades of brainwashed assassination hell.
Bucky knew. He tells Cap he’s gonna miss him even though it was only a five second trip to him. Cap responds “it’ll be alright”. Bucky points out Steve to Sam and tells him to go over and talk to him. Steve probably offered him the mantle after he told Bucky he was gonna go live with Peggy and he refused because he’d rather chill with his goats.
If they’d handled the time travel better and with greater consistency, it would have been OK. It pisses me off that the comics have mechanics for both time travel as well as the Infinity Stones that they went out of their way to ignore, and all it resulted in was an inferior story.
It’s Leia hugging Rey instead of Chewie all over again.
The ending confused the hell out of me. If Cap went to a different timeline, then how did he end up on the bench? If he stayed in the timeline, did he really do nothing to prevent all the movies' events? And why couldn't they have just showed an old Cap looking off into the lake instead of shilling a TV show?
>Cap literally let's Bucky be brainwashed and used for decades while Hydra runs America underground just to get laid
OH NO NO NO NO
You should have checked your brain at the trash can by the exit for sitting through three hours of this shit.
I cant believe another thread died for this dogshit movie.
If he lived in an alternative timeline he wouldn't be able to go back to the MCU timeline. Or now they can travel thought different timelines as well?
This movie makes no sense, just admit it.
sure,
it also made sense dramatically as the heroes did not know he was no longer a threat
Remember when Captain somehow put the reality stone inside Portman again, probably through her ass and she will take it
or when he sneaked into shield base again after like 10 minutes of them just escaping from that place, to return the space stone (which is not a cube anymore) to a container Tony already destroyed
or when he walked back to the elevator full of Hydra goons to return the mind stone (which also not a scepter anymore) after "borrowing" it from them for like 4 minutes
or when he met redskull (who already fucked off after the stone is gone) and returned the soul stone (can it even be returned?)
or when he woke Quill up and stuffed the power stone (now without any container) in him and basically blew up the poor guy
>I feel like they wold have won regardless
My mind wants to say yes, but as far as 'movie explanations' go Strange basically said the time where he grabs the glove, puts it on and snaps is the only one they win, so it basically HAD to happen. They really should have done a better job making the battle feel like they were losing and desperate, it felt like everyone was doing alright and then suddenly tony just snaps
Yeah the only argument people have for him just fucking off is him saying 'I-I just thought I'd have the quiet life wwwwww", especially since the causal loop paradox isn't even a thing in their universe. On that note, it wouldn't have even mattered what type of time travel the movie wanted to implement, Cap would've used that power to warn people of shit regardless
That's just a supplementary pic I found that supports my theory, where the alternative timeline old Cap made was actually the MCU all along. Still doesn't explain why he didn't tell anyone of the shit they were about to go through, though
The one thing that really upset me was the ending with Cap. Can someone explain to me how the timelines worked so he could be sitting there?
Apparently causal/closed loop...
He was already mad.
Thanos had the glove and was literally about to snap his fingers and destroy everything. If Tony didn't take it and wipe out the Thanos and his army then Thanos could've just taken it back from him, which was too big a risk to take considering how close Thanos had already come to doing it in the minute prior.
I don’t think it was rushed, so much as cut down from something far longer.
>capeshitters trying to make sense of their corporate slop
Lmao, idiots.
>Did Tonys sacrifice really need to happen
Yes. If Tony is alive, there will no progress on Spiderman character because he will always be dependant to Stark. By making him die, it would also open a new possibility for a new diversity version of Iron Man.
Just fucking kill yourself you god damn piece of shit cock suckling VIRGIN
He went back in time and coexisted with Cap1, who then went back in time etc etc
doesn't the suit do most of the shrinking?
it was fused to his arm you stupid fucking zoomer
People paid to see this flick?
Yeah, I mean what else are you going to do with your boyfriend on the weekend?
>stan's dead and still manages to cameo
nanotechnology and shit
Recursive time travel.
Does this movie have the largest cast of actors in any movie in existance?
There must be one original branch where 1970 played out without intervention
If the MCU is not that branch, the whole of the infinity saga is trash, old cap sat through it knowing what would happen, who would die, and did nothing
I'm sure Rocket was there too
>old cap sat through it knowing what would happen, who would die, and did nothing
Because he had to. He knew there would be suffering but in the end it would work out and it wasn't his place to interfere.
anytime I see somebody running now I just think of the Joker
He knew about the 1 in 14 million, so he opted not to fuck things up further.
1 in 14 million doesn't apply if the prior events dont happen
Exactly, if Cap changed anything it would mean a new timeline, one where Thanos might win. So it's better to allow the moderate suffering to have a guarantee that Thanos is stopped than to gamble.
Yes, Strange showed him the "1" with his hand. It meant that out of the billions of futures, the only one they win in is the one where Iron Man dies.
Closed loop?
What exactly were they going to do if they sent the gauntlet to the van?
>1940
>New York City
>Cap takes a taxi from Queens over to the New York Sanctum
>Hello. My name is Steve Rogers. 70 years from now, I will know the pupil and successor of your master, the Ancient One. He is a man by the name of Dr. Stephen Strange. Together with a group of other extraordinary people, he and I will fight an angry California Raisin named Thanos who has come into possession of several Stones much like the one you currently have safely secured in an amulet.
>Another of those Stones is currently on Earth. It is secreted in a Norse temple in Northern Europe and will in a short time fall into the hands of a faction of Nazi scientists known as HYDRA.
>I would like to propose you powerful, world-hopping sorcerers do something about that, like perhaps take it and secure it somewhere out of reach, somewhere extremely difficult to get to, such as one of those other dimensions you guys have access to.
>Oh, and if you guys wouldn’t mind teleporting me right into the heart of Berlin, that’d be awesome.
>if 5 years was just 5 hours for ant man why did pym's wife age in real time?
Time works differently in different areas of the quantum realm. In some areas, it speeds up and in some, it slows down. When the Hulk is testing the time travel thing before Tony, Antman comes back both old and young.
Have sex.
Which sounds good in theory, but there's no way of knowing how the events would actually play out.
He's not black.
>Just as a fuck you to the comics
Is this bait? Sam was Captain America for a decent chunk in the comics
That is the point of heroism. You do what you think is right and face its consequences, both good and bad. Might it be worse? Oh, that’s always a possibility. Might it be better? Well, that’s why you try.
There is one time-line where the time stone doesn't exist anymore and where Dormammu destroyed Earth.
There is one time-line where Thanos is no longer a threat and where Star Lord an Gamora never met.
Going back to give back the stones won't fix a thing but create more alternative timelines.
What the fuck was the ancient one doing in new york, I though tit had a protector at that sanctum
Responding to the imminent destruction of Earth?
You can keep it.
Nobody of any real importance gives a flying fuck.
>I am important and you are not
I equate people who explain away plotholes in capeshit to flat earthers. If you grasp hard enough you can make anything sound reasonable
hes been in (current year) for like 8 movies now, i think he'd change atleast a little bit.
Anyone?
No. If Cap put them back in the same time and place that he found them then there is only one timeline.
Exactly. This horseshit about sneaking the items back “before the world notices” is the laziest shit I’ve heard in a time travel story in a good while.
How exactly do you find your way back to an alternate timeline? This time travel, not reality-hopping.
How did he put the space stone back into the tesseract, the mind stone into the sceptor, the power stone into the orb, the reality stone into jane foster, and the soul stone into the life that was traded for it
by have sex do you mean go to a bar or a club and pay $100 for two drinks and then try to use that shitty buzz to talk to a girl who's on her phone with a nasally voice and then tell her she's smart and beautiful and listen to her responses without laughing or crying and you have to maintain that engagement all the way till 2am when she might maybe stop talking to her friends and she might consider your advances and you might get her number and then you will have to pull out some more extra cash from the ATM (+$10 service charge) in order to buy her a drink or a cab home. And then you will have to maintain contact with her for like a week and then take her out to an expensive dinner and then continue to listen to her and pretend like you care about what she has to say and then you have to take her to your place or her place and you will have to have sex with her where you can't just cum in the first minute you will have to kiss her and rub her and maybe kiss her vagina a bunch of times and then you have to keep going for like an hour and then cum and then you have to keep playing it cool until you can leave and then you can post here again?
have sex
Was it the kid who's house he falls in during iron man 3?
Not to mention they needed a time machine to go back in time, but then Cap and Tony were able to jump from 2012 to 1940 with just their suits.
So time freezes?
My impression was the mere act of traveling to the past created a divergent line, because you weren't originally there
The machine was so they could come back to where they came from, like a homing beacon. They could travel infinitely into the past as far as they wanted, assuming there were enough pym particles
>If Cap put them back in the same time
good luck with that
Cap went to another timeline and came back to the main one as an old man.
>and came back
The only way he would have been able to do that was by using the machine. He didn't show up in a suit 5 seconds later. If he lived his life, then put the suit back on, and transported back as an old man, showing up as an old man in the suit 5 seconds later, then it would have worked
But him just sitting there on that bench implied he lived it out, and just walked to that bench and had a seat. He wouldn't have been in their timeline. He would have been in a divergent one.
Correct. And once a timeline diverges, there’s no way back into it through “simple” time travel. There would have been precisely one way for them to have done this intelligently. It is this:
When we see them initially depart for the past, the team that stayed behind should have been surprised to see another Cap in another Quantum suit arrive, tell them, “Trust me. It will make sense later,” then dip into the still-open time portal.
That would be the Cap we see at the end - one from the future, one who’s in possession of all the items they borrowed. The only problem with this would be that they’d have had to have all been borrowing those items from the same time trip, not bouncing across different times.
I swear to God. Bill and Ted were more respectful of the rules of time travel than this shit.
>so it was me who stole my dad's infinity stones
what if cap just put on infinity stones in the past and snapped the plotholes away
>what is a bull