I am willing to admit some films.. take multiple viewings, to completely appreciate.
I didn't care for The Force Awakens, it was honestly pretty bad, but in the spirit of positivity, I was willing to "accept it". I didn't want to be "that guy" who hates everything new, so I bit my tongue. I have never been compelled to watch it again, good or bad.
The Last Jedi I have watched 6 times now, hoping it gets better, hoping something clicks. Good god, I just can't. I tried Yea Forums I have really tried. It's irredeemably bad. The writing is bad. The acting is bad. The music is bad. The plot is bad. It not only shits on OT Star Wars it shits on any build up from the Force Awakens. I don't even want to see "Episode 9". The story is over. Nothing more needs to be said. And frankly I'm not sure I ever want to revisit Star Wars again. It's kind of been killed for me.
Around the time they were on the casino planet I found myself slouching in my seat at the theater just... bored. And I realized I was bored, not even the prequels bored me.
Lincoln Howard
last jedi makes attack of the clones look like scorsese/coppola/kubrick level kino
Joshua Lopez
I felt this way opening night when I saw it in cinemas. I haven't watched it again since and won't. I knew Star was dead and I was finished with it the moment the credits start rolling.
Christopher Lopez
it could be recut to be decent, though it'll be probaly like 60 minutes long then
Ryan Phillips
V > IV > VI > RO >>> TFA > TPM >>>>>> AOC > ROS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLJ
There's way more dumb shit going on in that scene than just the disappearing dagger.
>Rey kicks one guard, three stumble backwards >guard swings at Rey's head, aims above it as she doesn't duck in time >guard running around behind the others suddenly stabs at empty air for no reason
I'm sure someone can post the webms.
Oliver Mitchell
I will never forgive you, Ruin. And I will never forgive Disney. We can't even fix it because she's dead. Fuck you. m.youtube.com/watch?v=On--7c91fkk
should I watch incredible acting by Liam Neeson and the Duel of the Fates kino? or watch a geriatric Han Solo get tossed off a bridge and a literal ape faced janitor drink from a troft with a giant pig?
The Sequels are trash and 1000 times worse than the Prequels which now look kino in comparison
Blake Long
nobody has been able to replicate the sense of adventure and tension/mystery in lucas/spielberg films. that includes the prequels - take any action sequence from the prequels and compare it to any sequence in 7 or 8. theres literally no contest. no new noteworthy pieces of music in 8 either. EVERY prequel movie has atleast one peic3 of music that i'll never forget. see "anakins theme" "across the stars" "battle of the heroes"
Jace Bailey
TLJ was a great movie. bye
Daniel Diaz
in the end it is up to you to decide what is "canon" and what is not, nothing else matters. to me the thrawn trilogy is what happened hafter ROTJ why would i accept the disney trash lmao, i watch it but they are like the ewoks movies to me
Grayson Ramirez
>It's the end, isn't it?
I can't stop crying. The fact that her mother died shortly afterwards, oh god. My heart.
Nathaniel Watson
>went back to check out old rlm prequel videos
these fucks nitpicked the shit out of em.
Easton Sullivan
>look at dis pretty shot, awwww
im not going to ignore the 2 hours of inane dialog and retarded character development, or in rey's case lack of character development.
Faggot.
Austin Gonzalez
Exactly OP. Even the Prequels for all their misguided efforts, still have a basically solid storyline and a stronger director could have made something grand by ignoring Lucas' weird choices. TLJ is a bad movie in the screenplay, that's un-fixable if you're telling a serious story.
Alexander Rodriguez
Can I ask a question? Why on fucking earth would you watch a movie you don't like SIX TIMES??
I don't even know if I've even seen my favorite movie 6 times
Joshua Mitchell
The Last Jedi isn't a movie that has improved for me over viewings. I don't appreciate it anymore than I did the first time I saw it.. What HAS happened is my acceptance for what it is, which made the viewing experience less disappointing for me.
What CAN you do about it, ya know? You either bitch and moan, boycott a franchise that has been a massive part of your life for 30 years.. Or you make peace for what is and move on with it.
My acceptance of The Last Jedi will help me watch Rise of Skywalker.. What I won't do is watch anything afterwards..
I don't have to shovel money into the machine anymore.. But I do really enjoy closure and with accepting The Last Jedi, I open the door for proper closure.
Hate is very toxic internally.. So make peace with what makes you angry.. Something you loved didn't turn out how you want? That's life.. Acceptance is key.
I accept The Last Jedi.
Ethan Scott
>Star Wars was always held back at the time by limited technology. >When digital came out I wanted to try all the things we could never do before. >Some things worked, some didn't. But at the core the story was always most important. >I've tried to do something new in every film, a new planet, a new ship, a great new character. >It's only a big universe if you continue to let it grow. >Disney didn't want that, they wanted to do a retro picture, like a live action amusement park retreading old ground. >They have a list of marketing checkpoints, demographics to hit, and the actual film is just an afterthought. >I didn't become a filmmaker to film a wax museum, I became a filmmaker to make films.
George Lucas on Disney is the "white slavers" interview
You sound like someone getting cucked but refusing to exit a marriage for fear that you will be considered a failure. The marriage is over user. Accept the divorce and move on.
>Star Wars is going to have to pull an MK11 to fix itself >A fucking Mortal Kombat has better overall writing than GoT (started off GOAT and has turned to shit,) Star Wars, and Marvel Endgame (same fucking plot) >It's not even all that good, mostly dumb action at 30fps.
Can you explain your points without talking in video game speak, not everyone here is Yea Forums
Jace Brown
GRRM at least has outlined how GoT should go and considers it a great adaptation.
George Lucas, Mark Hamill and several others hint at thinking TLJ is complete trash.
Jack Young
i don't know what a the is your prepared points in a statement
Jackson Hughes
Who is the main character?
They share the same lightsaber. Neither are related to any important characters. Both have the same amount of action. Both have the same level of involvement.
I assume Finn is the main character because he has the romantic plotline.
>literally the most jedi thing ever done in the entire series >worthless
proof that the film is too smart for most audiences
Jacob Gutierrez
the main character is the friends we made along the way
Kevin Gonzalez
>a live action amusement park that's exactly how it feels, like a ride with animatronics
Easton Cox
II was good
Bentley James
Nice bait.
Liam Hill
if a jedi force choked turds from everyone's ass in the galaxy it would be the biggest thing a jedi has ever done, but it would still be retarded.
Nicholas Powell
>TFA - Finn >TLJ - Rey >RoS - Ben Screencap it. It's too late to save this trilogy but they'll try and make Kylo the main character by the end of the movie as he's the only blood relation and character we gave a shit about. Every early leak has him doing more shit than Rey.
But he's still a huge wasted opportunity. Imagine if Snoke wasn't a lazy Emperor clone but they just stuck in Krennic from RO as the leader and Kylo wasn't an unstable 30 year old who walks around sulking all day waiting for Rey to contact him but into ruling and politics like Sheev and his EU counterpart Jacen. Not sure how much characterization JJ can shove in for him in 2 hours.
its also the longest star wars movie by far. yet somehow it serves to advance the plot the least of all the movies.
Cooper Lopez
TLJ was the first star wars movie i legitimately hated first viewing and it was such an alien feeling to me that i was confused leaving the theater. Subsequent forced viewings have turned dislike to seething hatred. However seeing the 9 trailer and watching ep 3 on tv the other day made me want to see 9 again
>my acceptance of giant black cocks being shoved down my throat will help me get more giant black cocks down my throat
This is you. This is what you sound like.
Logan Gutierrez
>However seeing the 9 trailer and watching ep 3 on tv the other day made me want to see 9 again Like a fucking battered wife that keeps going back for more.
Leo Gray
>Charlie Rose: "You have every honor a man can have... >Lucas: Almost >Rose: ...Oscars >Lucas: No Oscars. >Rose: Oh. Really?
right off the bat with this huge embarassing, cringe moment. Did rose not do a shred of research for this interview.
Eli Scott
>However seeing the 9 trailer For me, it just drove home how much I have lost my investment in this franchise.
The trailer was good. Showed some nice cinematic shots, wonderful music, etc. But it did nothing to get me excited. I was completely apathetic towards what I was seeing. I just don't care about what's being churned out now.
TLJ doesn't deserve a re-watch. It's still the worst SW film
Jeremiah Butler
I genuinely have no idea how you sat through this garbage six fucking times
Jaxon Foster
that scene won't even be in the movie
Hudson Gomez
Final battle of IX was leaked by a trusted source:
>The rumor is that Matt Smith isn’t Palpatine reborn or rejuvenated but a dark side acolyte. >However, during The Rise of Skywalker, Smith’s character is willfully possessed by the spirit of Emperor Palpatine. >During the final act of the film Rey and Kylo team up to fight the Palpatine possessed Matt Smith. >The two-on-one duel is pretty intense for the duo. >Eventually Kylo Ren kills Palpatine’s host body >Palpatine’s spirit then jumps into Kylo Ren’s body. >Kylo Ren is strong enough to not lose total control of his mental faculties. >Kylo Ren struggles to take control of his body but subdues himself and his weapon while beckoning Rey to kill him. >Kylo does the right thing and becomes Ben Solo again as he sacrifices himself to kill Palpatine. >Rey having never toyed with the dark side like Kylo Ren and the acolyte did means Palpatine doesn't have a body evil enough to inhabit.
Leo Jenkins
VIII at least has Kylo Ren's who's a good character
Ryder Gonzalez
I only needed to see that movie once to appreciate how bad it was.
Grayson Carter
Except that Palpatine was in snoke and thus went to Kylo Ren in the first place.
If they're not going that way then why bother with the body jump nonsense?
Christian Powell
>watching a movie 6 times >saying its bad
wtf Yea Forums do you seriously do this?
Mason Taylor
"Bad" is a polite way to describe what they are. Too polite.
Charles Ortiz
man that was so bad that almost gave me cancer...
So I suppose that Episode 10 must be about the unoticed evil bug that got possesed by palpatine, and its sarching for a new host....
Luis Scott
Is there anyone that likes both RO and TLJ? Seems like fanboys love RO and hate TLJ whereas people who appreciate film like TLJ and hate RO
>Is there anyone that likes both RO and TLJ? I don't know but I can tell you I don't like both of them.
Noah Bell
>Empire was received with the same level of criticism TLJ had. So it was praised to hell and back by all pro critics?
Nathaniel Kelly
Don't forget the podraces. Fuck that entire sequence makes my ears orgasm.
Xavier Hall
> a great new character.
Uhh >Amidala Retread of Leia >Anakin Nothing needs to be said >Obi Same
It's between Jar Jar and Qui-Jon I guess? A small case for Jango I guess but not really, not enough lines. If not for Qui-Jon this is bullshit and Qui-Jon himself is mostly a retread of Obi-Wan who dies pretty soon.
Who is "a great new character" in the prequels?
Asher Morgan
Wow, I don't remember Anakin being such a qt. Say what you will about the prequels but at least they respected the audience enough to not cast ugly actors for no good reason.
Andrew Carter
I wasn't alive for Empires release but I seriously doubt people hated it the way they did TLJ. Can you explain the backlash that the film supposedly got?
Nathaniel Ross
I don't know, how about having villains?
How about adding an entire Jedi Council with tons of new Jedi?
Prequels added tons of lore.
The sequels added... uhhhh.... Female Luke who likes BBC and Emo Vader. And I can't tell which one is the protagonist.
It created Coruscant so Lucas liked it enough to let it inspire the prequels. It doesn't lean on OT trio nostalgia and creates good original point of view characters like Thrawn and Mara. The plot reintroduces clone troops that let the Empire rebuild their forces so it kind of felt it connected to the prequel era before it even existed. Luke was pretty cool, Han and Leia were whatever and not as interesting as their movie actors portrayed them. I wish the writing was more deep and descriptive so I enjoy it more because it's Star Wars and not because it's written well or anything.
>I don't know, how about having villains? >pic related is 3 soulless video game bosses
>How about adding an entire Jedi Council with tons of new Jedi? and all of them except mace windu are useless. mace windu himself doesnt really have a personality or character
>Prequels added tons of lore. stupid lore
Parker Gutierrez
it did not create coruscant. the imperial capital was meant to be in return of the jedi - all lucas took was the name
Aiden Thomas
Incidentally, that was part of an arc in Adventure Time.
Landon Harris
Dumbest comment in the thread. By that standard Star Wars is just a big video game and the entire concept is bad.
So I guess, if you hate Star Wars, it makes sense why you love The Last Jedi so much. Also you are probably underage b@.
Isaac Bailey
Fuck off
The world building in episode 2 is incredible
Chase Wilson
You have to appreciate the scope of ideas in II even if the CGI works against it in some cases.
The Colosseum was incredible world building. The sequels would never attempt something that creative.
Samuel Reed
The main things that drag AotC down are the worse-than-average script writing and the big boring battle at the end that goes on forever. In retrospect I actually think it's more enjoyable than TPM.
Jaxon Perez
AOTC = Soul TLJ = Soulless
TLJ is pure garbage.
Eli Hernandez
>stupid lore
No, kino lore.
Carson Diaz
I'm not sorry because I always support Based Papa George no matter what. Please come back, Based Papa George!
Sebastian Carter
The podracing scene was such a joy for me to watch when I was a kid and it is still a joy to watch for me today.
Joseph Ramirez
I completely agree with both of you.
Jaxson Thomas
>empire was received with the same level of criticism as TLJ
you have to be over 18 to post here.
Ayden Baker
Completely agree. I always tried to be open minded about the prequels, and at least appreciate the good stuff that came out of them and I really tried to do the same with Disney. I succeeded for the most part with TFA and despite its stupidity, I found a lot I could at least appreciate of hope future installments would correct or build on. It seems like every time I think about or discuss TLJ I find new flaws I hadn't noticed before. I've never seen any movie like it. It's broken on so many fundamental levels and I think the scene with R2 showing Luke the hologram is quite literally the only scene with nothing wrong with it.
I'm genuinely amazed that I can hate Star Wars this much. I skipped Solo until I watched it for free half a year later and I actually enjoyed it. Turns out my standards for a Star Wars movie are pretty fucking low and yet I have no intention of seeing the finale of this garbage trilogy thanks to TLJ.
Anthony Mitchell
I've only ever watched TLJ once, and that was a bad enough experience. But yeah its killed any desire to watch ep 9 for me as well.
Levi Gutierrez
I could easily watch attack of the clones again without any problems. Its not great, but its watchable.
Hudson Murphy
This one scene in The Phantom Menace when Anakin arrives on Coruscant for the first time is INFINITELY BETTER than absolutely ANYTHING in the sequel trilogy movies (and in Disney Star Wars movies in general): youtube.com/watch?v=oI9BhjVHLFw
The genuine awe and sense of sheer spectacle contained in this scene which was felt by both Anakin and myself when I watched The Phantom Menace for the first time as a child (and even when I watch The Phantom Menace today as a 31-year-old man) is something I will honestly NEVER forget.
Disney Star Wars movies will NEVER have ANYTHING as kino and immersive as even that one scene from The Phantom Menace.
Julian Howard
No one hated Empire when it came out, it was darker and it didnt have the happy ending but it had action, AT-ATs, yoda, the twist, and it left a massive cliffhanger with everyone wanting to watch RotJ.
t.zoomer
William Green
can you dock additional points from episode 8 for raping established laws/lore?
Jacob Powell
i felt the same way about dune after the author died and his son (i think?) took over, user
if it's not the original creator then it's not canon to me i don't care how much money the mouse shelled out for it
Isaac Myers
absolutely based intelligent man seeing through the shit that is the prequels shallow new material with no soul just because something is "new lore" doesn't mean that it's inherently good
Camden Watson
as opposed to what in nuwars? kylo? he's the only one worth mentioning
rey a less interesting protag than luke poe is shallow as hell finn's arc is a mess phasma is a meme
who does that leave? snoke? the droids? porgs? please.
Jose White
I've still not forgotten the New Republic, and how the writers fucked it over just to create the status quo of underdogs vs evil empire. Fuck whoever wrote the New Republic to be thrown away.
Camden Morgan
>shitty memory >literally makes shit up
I'm ancient and I saw TESB in 1980. The literal opposite of TLJ happened. Critics were lukewarm on it but the moviegoing public went absolutely nuts for it. People queued to see it multiple times and merchandise flew off shelves. Everyone I knew who saw it was head over heels in love with it.
The concept of TESB ever receiving some kind of latter day renaissance reappraisal is pure revisionist larp horseshit.
Luke's dead, Snoke's dead. Both the heroic and villainistic elements have been deleted.
They literally have to resurrect Palpatine (which in turn ruins the effectiveness of the OT even further) just to churn out another flick. I have never seen such a mishandling of an epic series.
It's equivalent to if Sauron is destroyed early in the 2nd film of LOTR and they just bumblefuck through it and decide to resurrect Smaug from the Hobbit and impliment him somehow in a way that makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Wyatt Cruz
There was more inspiration, excitement and world-building in the last 20 mins of Clones than every Nu-Wars films put together.
Elijah Ward
The Last Jedi's only redeeming quality was how big of a shit it took on Star Wars.
And I don't just mean the franchise, I mean everything associated with Star Wars. The actors, the directors, the writers, the producers, it shit on the EU, it shit on the fans, it shit on the characters, it shit on the concept of the force and the Jedi and the Sith. And it ran out in to the audience who payed for this shit experience. Even the fucking toys and merchandise. Nothing was sacred in it's hot sauce and fried curry liquid diarrhea expulsion from Rian Johnsons anus.
It was a sobering slap in the face that caused millions of people to scream out in terror then were suddenly silenced. And the Porgs, my Jesus fuck, the Porgs. Was a master stroke of brilliance. As if Rian Johnson was screaming maniacally "You see this adorable, annoying, kitschy shit all over the place? It fucking sucks, now you know how much I hate seeing Star Wars shit every where!" And Disney sold a million fucking things with porgs. And that stupid idiotic couple who got matching porg tattoos before the movie had launched, hahaha holy shit, I hope they hate themselves as much as they hate each other.
But let's go back to the characters. Rey is revealed to be a fucking nobody who is going to have to be retconned in the last movie to give her some sort of meaning on the story beyond being an all powerful Mary Sue. Finn, the guy who betrayed his whole way of life and everyone amd everything he knew because he senses Kylo was bad? The guy who got knocked in to a coma with a severed spine? Yeah, nothing happens, he comes back as a slapstick water balloon. His next grand feat is to be such a fuck up he gets knocked out by the fucking janitor with a taser who then gets sent on a secret mission of such critical importance that there is no way else for him and the janitor to fucking help. And big surprise, he fucks that up too! His character is nothing but a failure. He can't even kill himself with out failing
Jose Hill
>VIII has a couple worthy moments. Those 'couple of worthy moments' are just when they reference things that remind you of much better movies. Luke talking with R2 on the falcon is a wonderful moment, as is Luke and Leia in their only shared scene. Nothing else in the movie stands on it's own two feet.
Adam Gonzalez
That scene reflects some of the best worldbuilding in the saga. Cool various aliens in unique races in the dangerous outer rim, being funded by hutts and crime syndicates. Wish they had made an animated series based around it. Too bad Disney won't (and if they did they'd fuck it up beyond recognition).
Jordan Myers
The Last Jedi was the strangest theater experience I have even been apart of. I was at a premiere IMAX showing, people had lightsabers, masks, excitement waiting in line. During the film it was dead silence. Not a single laugh. Not a cheer, nothing. After it was over, no one said a word they just walked out, confused at whatever they just saw.
I don't know what the fuck they were thinking, with these sequels. The entire first film is trying to find Luke, with a beacon presumably Luke left behind, so they can find him.
Film starts with Rey finding Luke, and immediately Luke tells Rey, and the audience, to fuck off. The Jedi are worthless. They were a failure. Everything we've seen so far in 6 films was pointless. The Force is pointless.
Luke Skywalker is basically saying, these movies are pointless. Just give up.
Immediately afterwards, Snoke is killed, Kylo reenforces the idea "forget about everything, let it all die".
Okay. You got me. I don't care anymore. If Luke fucking Skywalker doesn't care, I guess I won't care either.
Then they go back on THAT and Kylo suddenly cares again, Luke suddenly cares. As soon as you begin to get invested again, just kidding. Lukr was a hologram. And now. Now hes dead. As is Star Wars. Lights out kids. And fuck off. - Disney
>that kino music >notes that eccentuate every scene >adds a sense of atmosphere
I cant even remember any music in TLJ, even though I'm absolutely certain John Williams did the score
Ian Cox
Then we have Poe. The only competent mother fucker in the entire rebellion apparently who gets chastised for being too fucking good at his job! He's the one who found the last piece of the map to Skywalker. He's the one who took out Star killer base. He's the one who stared down Kylo Ren with a fucking JOKE and a blaster bolt hovering inches from his fucking face and he's not important enough to know the secret girls club command structures plan? Which brings us to Kylo Ren. A man child who was sort of in to worshipping his grand dad's accomplishments as a bad ass conqueror. Hoping to become as powerful as he was. He's promised so much power that he has become indoctrinated in to a cult by some pederast gimp who likes his boys thicc. He kills his father, tries to kill his mother but through the power of her vagina survives deep space and a massive explosion that killed everyone else,even your fan fucking favorite Admiral fucking Ackbar just gets sucked in to space and neverourned or heard from again. And ultimately all we see Kylo Ren do is throw fucking temper tantrums as some sort of display of power.
I could go on... But you can see my points. And any one who says May the 4th be with you gets spit in the face and told to fuck off.
The Last Jedi was such exquisite shit served up and we are told to either enjoy it or fuck off racist incel.
I hope he gets his trilogy so he can crash the franchise with no survivors.
Noah Carter
At least it's distinct.
Many new stories and cartoons came out of the Prequel era like Tartakovsky's Clone Wars. Absolute kino.
You couldn't do anything like that with the Sequels because they have no distinct world building, just a shittier more faded version of OT ships/settings/themes.
Blake Fisher
Is there any reason the sequel films cast such homely actors? Only Daisy, Oscar Issac and Dohmhall Gleeson are passable. Lupita Nyong'o would get an honorable mention if she didn't play orange yoda.
Aaron Foster
>My acceptance of eating shit will help me eat another helping of shit later this year.. What I won't do is eat anymore shit afterwards. Have some self respect, user.
Carson Garcia
It's literately just desert planets, tie fighters, lightsabers and other callbacks Star Wars OT imagery in an endless loop of nothingness, without anything new or exciting to bring to the table.
Julian Carter
>the mouse has its sights on KOTOR next
No! we need to find a way to stop this from happening. boycott everything and hopefully they dont go through with killing this too.
You are a pathetic human being. If one could even call you that.
Xavier Adams
You can't kill what's already dead. TORtanic already finished off KOTOR.
Brody Roberts
Did you consider that Ep3 was made by creator of the franchise, who introduced new aliens, worlds and unique characters. Did you also consider Ep9 is being made by a hack who has never had an original thought in his life?
Jayden Hill
None of those people you just mentioned are passable. Shit even Rogue One had a better cast.
Ayden Adams
>video game bosses If we're going with the video game analogy, at least they are distinct, powerful end bosses. Kylo is tutorial-level canon fodder, and Snoke is 'die in a cutscene' tier
Luis Lopez
>LOST >Most incomprehensible television ending ever >Trusting that man behind that mess to start a coherent Star Wars trilogy
As much as a fuck up as Rian is, he only had shit cheerios to work with and was expected to produce fine cuisine
JJ Abrams is a hack and worse than Snyder when it comes to actually seeing a project be fulfilled coherently
Why leave the fucking project after 1 film? Why return after you've left? Disney has set this franchise up for failure from day one
My only expectation Rian was that the film would be halfway decent. Consider my expectations subverted.
Christian Perez
Films like this should not be deconstruction. It's myth making. IE it should be straight forward.
If you want a deconcstruction make an independent and new work. Watchmen was a deconstruction of other characters or lesser known reboots of nobody charchters. Even the most potent Batman story in 50 years, the Dark Knight Returns isn't the main official DC universe.
>just a shittier more faded version of OT ships/settings/themes. This is why the franchise cannot grow. They were so fucking money hungry they just turned what could have been 30 years of world building into a watered down OT. Say what you will about the prequel trilogy, but it's aesthetic and era sustained a plethora of videogames, cartoon, books, and comics. The sequel trilogy era has no aesthetic, no voice that isn't just a weak echo of the OT.
Charles Perry
Exactly this. People loved TESB, and at most, it took until ROTJ for people to see that TESB was clearly the best one. But the ending of TESB was talked about for the three years until everything was settled. The buzz for ROTJ was off the charts, solely because of TESB.
Jaxson Collins
II has excellent world building and some cool fight scenes but stiff dialogue, a terrible romance, and in a trilogy about the fall of anakin skywalker all we get about that in this entire movie is an off screen massacre of sand people that is barely the focus. But overall it’s a fun movie and set up a lot of cool stuff that can forever be done with the clone wars in other forms.
VIII has some good visuals and music. That is it. It assassinates the OT in every way from it’s charcters to its logic and it’s core values and if that wasn’t bad enough it also bizarrely kills any build up or plot points from the force awakens also diminishes those characters who I was just beginning to want to know more about and leaves us with nothing to be excited about in the rise of skywalker. It is so unbelievablly bad, people shit on episode 2 but I was very into “Star Wars” itself when that movie was out even if I found the movie bad as a film it actually strengthened the Star Wars universe despite that and the surrounding merchandise, media, games etc... had a fun active growing universe I was very invested in where as episode 8 has killed any desire to enjoy anything Star Wars related.
Gavin Perry
It was criticized for being dark, boring and not fitting the Star Wars despite being competently directed.
Easton Reyes
Hopefully Disney will realise Lucasfilm is rotten at the core and clean house before making it. All the post buyout Lucasfilm hires have been cancer to the franchise.
Xavier Scott
>Watchmen was a deconstruction of other characters or lesser known reboots of nobody charchters.
Here's a fun fact: originally, Watchmen was going to star several Charlton Comics characters, including Captain Atom, The Question, Blue Beetle, and many others. However, DC took one look at Alan Moore's proposed story and said "Shite, Alan! We just bought all these supers! Your story will ruin them! Either toss your story or make up some new supers for your story!" So Alan goes "Aight, mates, 'ave it your way" and made OC Donut Steel versions of the Charlton Comics characters. Interesting, no?
Camden Adams
>that stupid idiotic couple who got matching porg tattoos before the movie had launched,
Every day on the way to and from work I have to walk past a car with a 'Porg on board' sticker in the window and it reminds me of those fucking retards every single time.
In some distant future if someone remakes the prequels with the same skeleton story done better it could be great.
Force awakens to last Jedi literally has no storyline, inconceivable that’s how they went into this trilogy but that’s what they did.
Austin Parker
You know you hated it, you’re admiting that, do the right thing and don’t see rise of skywalker. That’s the strength Luke would want out of you, the real luke. The one who refused to kill Vader. Refuse to see rise of skywalker.
Jacob Bailey
>"Uhhh. So we have Luke's same old lightsaber. The same old Millenium Falcon. The same old X-Wings. Kids already own these toys, what do we have that is new?" >..... >....... >"Why don't we put orange racing paint on the X-Wing and call it a day"
On behalf of the Republic of Ireland, we apologize for the protected puffin species that gave Johnson and friends bad ideas.
Lincoln Ward
shit taste
Christian Campbell
II gave us Natalie's navel
Gabriel Thompson
I remember after the force awakens cake out I was super excited and afterwards I had fun discussing it with co workers the next day and we had hours long Star Wars discussion that whole weekend generally agreeing upon that while it rehashed a lot that might be necessary to cement the star wars “feeling” in this new trilogy and we were excited to see what happens next lots of theories and ideas for where it could go and we all actually wanted to see more from Rey Finn and Poe and were surprised these charcters actually seemed like they had interesting stories to tell and this would be more than just revisiting the original cast which was all we were excited about before. With rogue one me and my gf were really happy with it afterwards talking about our favorite scenes and stuff basically satisfied, the Vader scene was cool and we were glad they actually killed off the characters it was impressive they’d do that, we complained about a few things like the squid monster thing but overall we thought the movie was pretty good. So we were excited for The last Jedi and went in expecting most likely a better movie than rogue one and answers to the force awakens questions and theories, instead afterwards just leaving no one said anything no excitement at all someone said “I liked it” or something after an awkward silence and we all just kind of said yeah it was alright etc... and left. No discussion no talking I think we started discussing the movie posters for other things on the way out and that was that. After a day or so of letting it sit with me the total shit it was was undeniable and I couldn’t believe how many missed opportunities there were. What a fucking bad movie, I’m going to skip rise of the skywalker, haven’t seen solo yet and although I hear it’s decent I have no desire to see it so that’ll have t wait until it just happens to be on tv or something someday.
Joseph Torres
This is some revisionist shit. Finn was only there to be a red herring for the lightsaber on movie posters. Rey is our flawless hero, and will be until this trainwreck finally ends in December.
Ethan Morgan
Clones got BDSM fireplace padme wins by default
Julian Richardson
>until this trainwreck finally ends in December
I doubt they kill her off so she will make a return in some way be it animated tv show or future movies down the road
Aiden Thomas
Return of the Jedi killed SW
The Last Jedi tried to revive it but the actually autistic fanbase drones want it dead
Adrian Scott
>haven’t seen solo yet I wouldn't watch it if it was free. The way Disney handled Luke in Last Jedi showed me they have no idea how to handle the characters, and will fuck them up on a whim. If I could unsee TLJ I would, also the reason I never want to watch Solo.
Jaxson Ross
It watched it on an airplane. Couldnt believe that the social justice droid was for real and not a meme and how gay that nigger they casted for lando is
Owen Sanchez
Gotta hand it to Lucas, in the making of doco it mentions that was the one outfit he personally designed.
>Larry Kasdan of Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Return of the Jedi, & The Force Awakens has no idea how to handle the character and will fuck him up on a whim Prequelbabies leave
Camden Brown
some user recently pointed out that the scene could be foreshadowing for mustafar with the fire in the back and the dress looking like she gets chocked
Kevin Sullivan
It's because the sequel trilogy has no direction and they're literally making it up as they go along. >Prequel Trilogy: The fall of Anakin >Original Trilogy: The Redemption of Anakin >Sequel Trilogy: ???
Logan Lopez
Just because they did great work 30 years ago doesnt mean they are free from criticism.
just look at ridley scott and the shit they pull with alien
Owen Butler
Why?
Jaxon Davis
or george lucas :P
Jaxon Cox
george has been shat on to hell and back its enough already
with disney having all the creative freedom we were supposed to get the best of the best yet its worse than lucas shit ever was
Benjamin Cook
>Rey having never toyed with the dark side So the whole black hole that Rey saw when she was training with Luke in TLJ is just being ignored? Yep, definitely sounds like disneywars
Isaiah Phillips
>9 trailer I really don't get this. The 9 trailer was the first trailer out of every live action theatrical star wars film that I genuinely thought looked shit. TLJ's trailer made it look interesting and exciting. Even Solo had a trailer that looked fun. But TROS just looks shit in every aspect. Nothing about it makes me want to see it except for the inevitable memes
Hudson Allen
Sneed of anakin
Christian Morgan
Based oldfag telling it like it is/was. Much respect.
Anthony Howard
>trusting a white man to know what right and wrong in 2019
Jacob Lewis
Episode 1 >Qui Gon Jin >Gungorians as a species >Watto Episode 2 >Kamino and their species >Jango Fett (Boba Fett had no charactersation) >Dooku Ep3 >nuff said
Tyler Bell
because no one cares and everything a ass pull to retroactively make sense of their bullshit that they made up as they went along instead of planing it out
Grayson Ross
oh wait tlj is also praised by all pro critics based retard stop watching youtube
Liam Murphy
I had the exact same experience. I went to the same theater where I'd seen Force Awakens, with much of the same crowd in attendance, yet one was met with an ovation and the other... a few scattered claps smothered by awkward silence as people shuffled out of the theater.
Nathaniel Taylor
>pro critics >in 2019
lol journalism has been dead for at least a decade
Carson Cruz
>Red arm threepio >Tie Fighter but black >B-Wing but s-foils permanently down >A-Wing but literally the same as OT one Can't wait to see Y-Wings again in Ep9, so much better than having to design a new fighter. Maybe they'll have a orange stripe too!!!!
Levi Morris
>Prequelbabies leave
Friendly reminder that Lucas asked Kasdan to look at the Episode I script way back in '95 and offer advice/suggest changes. Kasdan returned it with praise saying "Don't change a thing."
That was always how star wars was made. In the first film the Emperor was meant to be a figurehead being taken advantage of by people like the Grand Moffs, Vader wasn't Luke's father. In ESB, Luke's sister was meant to be her own character, not Leia. Kasdan, Kurtz, and Ford all thought Han Solo was going to and should die in ROTJ but Lucas thought Han toy sales would suffer. The original plan around ESB was for Star Wars to be 9-12 episodes. Rehashing the Death Star wasn't part of the plans when they made ESB with a sequel in mind.
The 'vader redemption' shit is dumb and came out of Lucas' ass for ROTJ. Notice how there's literally nothing suggesting redeemability in the first two films. Notice how conveniently Vader just sits on his ass and doesn't do anything bad really for the entire movie until fighting Luke. Notice how the "redemption" is him protecting his son (anyone with the smallest amount of biology knowledge knows this is selfish) from the guy he was planning to kill with his son in the last movie for purely selfish reasons.
Then Lucas had to justify it by making Anakin child galactic Jesus, then ruined it all again by making good friend redeemable Jedi Knight Anakin a women and children killing psychopath who doesn't object to being conned repeatedly by Sheev.
george sold star wars and lucasfilm to disney. he could have kept it independent if he cared. he hired kathleen kennedy, he initiated work on the sequels and even spinoffs and live action tv.
this is literally all his fault.
James Young
Except the Disney-era films are so bad they actually revealed the prequels to be kino. We didn't realise what we had til it was gone (I'm sorry George)
Jaxon Torres
If he kept it he would have passed the rights on to his wife who would have immediately sold it to the highest bidder anyway. Guy had his balls in a vice either way.
I hope disney is happy with the new star wars fans, I'm sure they will sustain the franchise long after the reylo trilogy has ended.
Asher Ross
last jedi without a doubt
Noah Cooper
I wonder how much lucasfilm pays their interns to scour message boards?
Ryan Clark
the main problem with this movie is that rian tried to pull off an actual legitimate deconstruction of the star wars metanarrative but then pussied out because the feminazi story group and disney wouldn't allow a gamble and made him push everything back into the mould of classic star wars (but by then it was already broken and deconstructed)
this + shoehorned marvel humor + that stupid fucking "muh ebil capitalism" casino scene killed this movie
it could have been saved if rey actually joined kylo ren but that would have required balls and a will to go against the grain (and also would mean rey isn't absolutely perfect and flawless in every possible way which is obviously unacceptable)
Lincoln Hughes
>RotJ was bad because of 5 mins of Ewoks meme
It was easily better than A New Hope and absolutely kino.
It introduced so much to the lore. Green lightsaber. Force lightning. Swoop bikes. Scout Troopers. Endor, one of the best planets.
Ending space battle with Akbar and kino Death Star II chase.
Best lightsaber duel at the end, most emotional. Luke overcomes Vader.
>that stupid fucking "muh ebil capitalism" casino scene killed this movie
>muh ebil capitalism >they also have ties to the resistance, which kills the naive worldview of the "muh ebil capitalism" naive kids
Lol,
Ryan Johnson
They basically ruined Han too.
>"Solo" is the generic name they give everyone >Lando is gay and has a SJW "I dont need no hu-man" robot >The gold dice is from a different girl, basically cucking Leia
Dominic Clark
dont watch it
its cancerous i made it 15 minutes in when it was running on HBO and I nearly vomited before changing channels
Ayden Lopez
>they also have ties to the resistance, which kills the naive worldview of the "muh ebil capitalism" naive kids the ebil capitalism isn't because they sell guns to the nu-empire and nu-rebels, its because the denizens of planet casino are cardboard cutouts straight out of commie propaganda
might as well have made them all piglets in suits with tophats for maximum effect
Matthew Young
>"5 mins" of Ewoks >implying there isnt far more worse in the movie than just that >lore >a fucking lightsaber color that doesnt blend in with tatooine blue skies >a fucking lightsaber color >seriously a lightsaber color >force lightning that doesnt even inflict any serious damage on luke >storm troopers with different helmets >Endor, a planet in the redwoods 5 minutes away from Lucas because filming in Tunisia, Norway, etc is actually hard (they also did Tatooine in the USA) >Akbar, a stupid squid person let in the rebel alliance, and a member of species named after squid as food >Death star rehashing >Best star wars duel, that is worse than the one in ESB >Luke wins (is a sign of kino????) It's not kino. Its shlock
Asher Watson
RotJ is great
People only buttraged because Boba Fett got blown the fuck out
It made me realize all the dumb sw stuff i had been ignoring. I hate all sw now.
Aiden Stewart
No more retarded than flying into an asteroid field. I suppose Han is retarded for falling for the Cloud City trap. Its an adventure my guy if everything went smoothly there would be no conflict.
Robert Lee
score is a cheap trick. the esb duel is better. >takes place in sequential areas >cat and mouse quality, theres a part where theres like a vader jumpscare. it just gets more and more dire over time. >final location is this small bridge in this windy huge chasm >suprise ending where vader cuts of lukes hand and then reveals he's his father and luke commits suicide
>vader: luke, ill ask your sister to become evil lol >luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *goes so apeshit almost goes to the dark side*
theres just no comparison its light and day difference
Xavier Morgan
>rotj is kino because luke has an ben kenobi lightsaber in green and black clothing
Jeremiah Perry
>Star Wars """fans""" still SEETHING over some completely average space movie for manchildren after 16 months
>It's equivalent to if Sauron is destroyed early in the 2nd film of LOTR and they just bumblefuck through it and decide to resurrect Smaug from the Hobbit and impliment him somehow in a way that makes absolutely no fucking sense.
What's amusing here is Sauron could die in part 2 of LotR and Smaug Does die partway through the Hobbit because the real villain of both stories is the greed and desire for their treasure.
Cameron Sullivan
Working out and banging hot chicks.
Landon Richardson
TLJ has a few scenes that are not garbage. Anything with Rey and Kylo would be them. Everything else is Garbages
how do i go about getting physical copies of EP I & II without giving Disney money?
Juan Walker
Only people who work out are manlets and little dicks trying to compensate, and banging chicks (multiple) is nigger behavior
I conclude you are a little dicked nigger
Gavin Davis
if you're setting the bar that low, John Williams score for II alone makes it superior to Last Jedi.
Isaac Nguyen
non
Caleb Reed
This
On my only viewing, the movie raised some questions. In my pursuit of answers to those questions, I only encountered more questions.
AotC is the only other Star Wars movie I've seen in theaters and I actually remember enjoying it, although I think at least part of that was solely due to it not being TPM. I didn't discover people actually hated it until years later.
Elijah Anderson
I completely agree with you. John Williams was at his best with the kino music he made for TPM. Also, I think that he did the score to TLJ, but he didn't put his heart into it like he did with TPM (and all of the other Skywalker Saga movies from the pre-Disney era) and it shows. We truly didn't deserve George.
Jose Reed
Hayden's acting and his romance with Padme were atrocious, but the rest was solid. II>VIII.
Lucas Wilson
force awakens wasnt too bad, but IX was a shit show
Logan Kelly
The worst star wars film by far is solo.
Carter Nelson
Does everyone here really think that the Luke projection holding hands with Leia was a good scene? Christ is was only made to shill the Solo movie in the end, making it twice as cringe as where it's most honest version was headed
Adam Cook
Are you really expecting me to trust judgement from a person who forces themself to watch something they dont like 6 times hoping to brainwash themselves into liking it?
Jaxson Gomez
A couple dozen other posters who saw it only once and thought it was dogshit
Brayden Ross
Literally the explicit goal of the "Nu-Wars" trilogy was to bilk as much money, as fast as possible, through an utterly incomprehensibly large, and overwhelming blitzkrieg of movies, products, marketing, promotions, memery and 'culturual events, that the money paying marks wouldnt even have time to breathe, let alone react to the stimuli the were taking in, before they realized the product being offered to them was a soulless whore of "obama/trump' era political agenda, and pure unadulterated social-media marketeering.
In other words, the nu-wars trilogy wont be a long term sustaining IP like the original trilogy, but more like the prequel triliogy, it will blitzkrieg the 'fans' for its entire life-cycle of money upfront, then coast on controversial discussion, and the slow realization by 'normies' just how awful the films are, and how badly they got jewed.
also, the "Rey" character will come to be more reviled than "jar-jar" as time moves forward.
Yeah the nu-era films don't feel in any way mythical anymore, not even the force scenes, they feel more like capeshit.
Kayden Moore
II wasn't bad, just boring. VIII destroyed the franchise.
Kayden Thompson
Looking back I wish they'd had Luke throw the lightsaber over his shoulder at the end of TFA so people at least knew to expect that his character was a butchered suicidal mess in TLJ instead of waiting years for it expecting he was the same badass he was in Episode 6.
Nolan Williams
Yeah, but Lucas' Imperial Center was like a castle over a geothermal plant with a floor made of lava and Endor was one of its moons. So the details were pretty different. Prequel Coruscant builds off Zahn's books & SotE.
