LET'S SETTLE THIS

He fulfilled his prophecy. In Civil War Sharon Carter explains that Peggy had a secret life and even had a secret lover and she also tells Steve that Peggy called out for him on her death bed. Steve was always meant to go back in time and live behind the scenes. It’s exactly like the Multiverse episode of Family Guy where Stewie was always meant to start the universe even though he is living in it

They won't. RDJ and Evans are done, and Hemsworth almost went the same way.

That's fine but where did he get the shield if he was in the main timeline

they wont, rdj is done with it
they might bring in a new character in 5 years or so, probably diverse

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The fact that they always have to use natural black girl hair infuriates me as a black woman

Wrong. If he goes back in time and stays with Peggy it starts a new timeline entirely seperate from where he just came from. It would be impossible for Old Cap to be in the main timeline.

She literally begs to be treated bad in the comics.
they'd be better off using the kid from iron man 3 as someone to take the mantle.

natural black hair is the best looking on black women. fake hair is honestly gross.

the infinity stones were taken out of there respective time periods and taken to the future. they are then required to be taken back to said time peroids and given back almost immediately after the point they left.
at the end of the first cap movie, cap was frozen in ice. next thing he knows he wakes up in the future or our present. this isn’t time travel but to cap it might as well be the same thing.
after everyone is saved in endgame, cap must return to the individual infinity stone’s time periods which they were each taken from in order to restore the balance into one timeline. he then goes to the 40s, presumably right after he is frozen. what happens to the infinity stones is exactly what happens to cap. they are all taken out of their own time periods and then returned. cap was always peggy’s husband.

What if I told you he was always there Just like Stewie always crated the universe even though it was zillions of years before he was even born. It’s created within itself

I swear they added this so fat neckbeards could argue with each other on internet forums
I bet the writers don't even know the answer

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The deepest lore

he was at tony’s funeral

The first one. The second option would retroactively make his relationship with Sharon Carter (Peggy's grand-niece?) in Civil War incestuous.

Unless that's what Disney was hoping for?

not by blood but still gross. he is captain AMERICA after all

So is the avengers 2012 timeline essentially screwed now that loki has one of the infinity stones? How would cap putting back the stone fix this timeline??

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>Iron Mang

didn’t the same thing happen in avenger how loki takes the tesseract when he is arrested and then vanishes until confronted by cap or is my memory failing me? regardless they are making a loki movie for disney + so they would explain it there

maybe cap went and beat him up

WHY NO TIDDY MEAT IN THE MOVIE?

He came back to the 70s, where he reunited with peggy.
Remember, cap came out of the ice in like 2011. He's 12 years older in endgame
Makes sense he'd travel to the 70s and live out, not 45.

all the tiddy meat was for the cap and only for the cap.

Dang, youre right; they did address it.There really would only be one way to describe her. "she's fookin stacked M8"

Neither fully explains how time travel works on this movie

But Cap going back into time and staying there is a new timeline. This is explained as how it works by multiple characters multiple times.

nope, the timelines merged into one. Bruce explained to the ancient one.
Old cap was always hidden fucking the titty Peggy whitout a care of the world.
9/11? sorry, fucking big titties
hydra? sorry, that day was anal day for Peggy

You fucking retard, the ancient one explains thats how it works.

he was beatin off in the bushes with some binoculars

You should have paid more attention to the film.

There are no branching timelines, since the stones were placed back just after they were taken.

No alternate timelines were made.

it was always a loop as i am saying

there is a entire scene with the ancient one and Bruce that graphically describes that the probable alternative branch will merge into the main continuity the moment the stones where retrieved to the past.

thats why the bold one says to Bruce that she was counting on him

Holy Shit there are some stupid people in this thread. Hulk even explains it:

>If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future and your former present becomes the past which can’t now be changed by your new future."

When characters travel to the past in Endgame and remove Infinity Stones from various timelines, those timelines then create branching alternate timelines rather than changing the "original" future. When those same characters return to what they would consider the present, they arrive at their own timelines, and not the ones they've just created by removing the Stones.

Ancient One explains to the Hulk, those alternate timelines rely on the presence of the Infinity Stones to save themselves from certain peril. That's why 2012 Tilda is so defensive of the Time Stone in the first place — without it, Doctor Strange can't beat Dormammu and Kaecilius in 2016 and that timeline is doomed regardless of the Snap.

It all adds up to the Cap Bench scene being bullshit.

So we have three problems now:

>Cap:
If he lives out his life with Carter, how the Fuck did he get onto that bench? He is in another reality/timeline/universe, and that bench is in the one he left. The entire time-travel philosophy of Endgame prevents Steve from getting back to that original timeline via normal aging, because by changing his past, he split his timeline into a branch that goes away from his 2023 life.

>Battle of New York 2:
Everyone is in deep Fucking shit. Thanks Avengers!
Loki has total control of the Space Stone, and Thanos should have no problem getting the rest of the stones

>Gamora:
2018 Gamora, sacrificed by Thanos for the Soul Stone should be 100% irreversibly dead. However, 2014 Gamora time-travel with 2014 Thanos and 2023 Nebula to the 2023 Battle of the Earth.

this, the white man's MCU is dead, bury it

urge to say n-word rising, rising, RISING...

ahem

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Either way, he banged his niece.

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How is this shit fucking possible?

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Did i miss something here or how did the avengers acquire all the infinity stones if loki takes it and vanishes? Wouldn't this absolutely fuck everything up?

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How many fucking times does this need to be explained for you mouth-breathing retards?

Steve is frozen in 1945. He wakes up and participates in the events depicted throughout the MCU. In 2024 (Endgame), he travels back in time to return the Infinity Stones and decides to live a life with Carter rather than return to 2024. He then takes a seat at the bench (knowing Sam and Bucky will be there) to pass the title of Captain America to Sam.

>r how did the avengers acquire all the infinity stones if loki takes it and vanishes? Wouldn't this absolutely fuck everything up?
They went further back in time to 1970 and got the tesseract from a different continuity.

>Steve "Draft Dodger" Rogers

The Space Stone was acquired from the military camp in 1970. Tony steals it from the SHIELD base.

Tony and Cap travel to 1970 to get the tesseract again

we get it, this is just as bad as MUH MARTHA scene in BvS. You marvelfags are laughably stupid lol

yes, but how did he survive from being suffocated by those fucking titties? I know he's a super soldier but he still has to breathe.

he was always the husband, thats why they didnt show it, he was always there waiting for that moment to come back and give flying negro his shield

Then why he had to bring back the pym particles and thor hammer?

>if loki takes it and vanishes?
Loki escapes so Disney can have a coherent setting for his Disney+ show.

>I don't understand basic plot details
>You're the retard! lel

Peggy was married to another man. Steve went back in time to cuck himself and that guy. Fucking based.

They really fucked up not doing Thunderbolts after Infinity War, and I know they're going to fuck up by not doing Arno Stark. We're almost past 2020, we're running out of time!

yeah two scenes that brainlets couldn’t wrap their heads around

>loki takes it and vanishes?
I wonder what became of this timeline, does Loki get a second chance from Thanos?

imagine being her getting dumped for her aunt. must be some awkward family reunions

>old steve was around for the battle of NY
>old steve could have prevented gamoras death
>old steve could have prevented Starks death

Like the other user said, it's most likely setup for a Loki-based Disney+ show.

This will be the disney + Loki serie

Imagine his face when he had to reutrn the soul stone and meet Red Skull as it´s guardian.

to not fuck the other reality?

We don't know what old steve did or didn't do in his alternate timeline

So when Cap went back to live his life, what happened to the Cap that was frozen?

It needs to be explained since it makes no fucking sense

But you said only the stones were needed to restore the branching timeline

This raises an interesting question.

Presumably, the Soul Stone is sentient. This is why it requires a sacrifice, has demonstrated the ability to "communicate" with those who take it, and has "rules" the other stones are not subject to. Would returning the Soul Stone really just be as easy as plopping it back on Volmir? This seems like a plot hole.

There are 2 messed up timelines that didn't get resolved: 2012 with loki and the tesserect, and 2014 without Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula.

I feel like it's always been a closed loop with Cap, he knows that he's missing for like 66 years so it doesn't really matter what he does because the real him is just stuck in ice, so might as well get that sweet peggy ass.

>old steve didn't prevent 9/11
>old steve was so busy tittyfucking he neglects the entire world
dont blame him

They fucked up everything when Thanos found out about Nebula, it created another reality where Thanos goes from 2014 to a future that doesn't exist in that timeline and dies.
How putting the stone back would make Thanos forget about the Nebula from the future?
There is no loop, old cap can't be in the main timeline.

I think the same shit. Wakes up in the future, doesnt fuck, fights tony, goes back in time and fucks.

can't blame the man

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>2024 Cap goes back to return stones
>decides to live life with carter rather than come back to 2024
>suddenly old man cap appears on bench
Lol great film

what scene made you do the soiboy face user?

probably as a villain this time from another universe

>still being this retarded
its not hard to comprehend, it is just poorly written and incredibly stupid. LMAO at the level of cope from stupid capeshitters

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Explain this to me

What's the issue, dumbass? He knew they were going to be there. It's the same guy from 2024.

yeah user, I'm sure he went for the older used up version

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How did he magically get on the bench. Cap is a sly one

hail hydra

So many brainlets. There are splinter timelines. Loki escaping created a splinter timeline. Old man cap just used a time gps to go back to the prime timeline to talk to them a bit.

i hate time travel, wish he just moved on like in civil war and dicked the blonde

>titties so nice he couldn't forget about them 70 years later or plain jane with huge shnoz
nah, he made the right call

Why? It's the only thing that makes black women attractive? As a black man.

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Also didn't Mr. Smith want the soul stone really badly? I recall a line from IW where he laments that he's trapped there on that planet with no way to retrieve his prize.

How could Cap return it to wherever the fuck it was? And would he have to fight Red Skull to return it?

This.
Plus in the winter soldier peggy says to young cap something like "you can't go back in time to have our dance", or probably the russos got the idea from that scene.

>niggers on my Yea Forums

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this. These movies really bring out the lowest common denominator pleb lords and highlights the pop culture spectrum of cognitive function

> and doing nothing about 9/11

kek

I want to see this movie

Is it possible to TITTYFUCK daily? No wonder cap looked so drained

asking the real questions

Cap could use the space stone and the time stones to teleport to where ever he had to return the other stones before returning the space stone

this was so fucking stupid

You are contradicting yourself, steve didin't change his past, the 2023 steve went to the 40's to live with peggy to become old steve WHILE his "past" self was frozen. So that past steve will be unfrozen in 2012 and live everything in the mcu as we know it.
About the battle of new york... Maybe 2023 steve also fixed all the briefcase fuckup right after his past 2023 self and Tony decided to go to the 70's...?
About 2014 thanos and gamora i dont have anything...

>Fucking up Trunks saga time traveling
Even Toriyama(a hack) nailed it, how the fuck did marvel fuck it up

>implying
How the fuck would Peggy hide who her husband was from Shield/Hydra for literally her and Cap's entire lives? And from her own family?

It's the second.
Only it was in a parallel universe.
Basically, he went to a new timeline where he laid low, and that universe became completely identical to his own. The Cap we see is from an identical timeline where everything happened exactly as we seen in the movies.
It's a time loop, but one that involves an infinite series of parallel universes, so it technically never loops back on itself, it's just repeating a pattern.

Maybe they catch loki again before he does anything? Because when Thor and Rocket went to Asgard Loki was in prision so maybe nothing changed?

according to the people who have watched the movie, it's both.

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I like how he just bails on the girl from CA3 and she’s never mentioned.

Its prob his daughter, so...

check'em

quints of quality

Damn, Peggy's nudes are hot.

I'm pretty sure the reason they returned the stones was so those timelines would be safe like the Ancient One said.

That said, the timeline where Cap returned the Tesseract to Starks lab and the one where the Aether was returned to Jane in Asgard would probably be near identical to the main timeline. The timelines that are radically different would ge the one where Loki escaped with the Tesseract, and the one where Thanos no longer exists because Stark dusted that version of him, and the Guardians never met because Quill was knocked out.

If these other realities do still exist I don't see why they couldn't bring back another version of Black Widow. Unless old Cap secretly brought back his timelines Black Widow.

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The latter. It only creates a new timeline if the stone is missing from it.
The fact that Cap is there in the end is PROOF that he succeeded in returning the stones.

If it's only the stones that matter, why can't they just go back in time and kill Thanos?

Oh yeah because you're wrong.

The real question is about that botched timline where Loki yoinked the Tesseract and swooced right out of there. That was never resolved.
Where's that going?

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Then why does the Ancient One tell Hulk that his mere presence has changed her timeline?

You Marvel shills are full of BS.

Disney+ Loki Series. Hope you like paying for streaming services!

>suddenly
He was just chilling there the whole time and nobody noticed/cared until he didn't poof back on the time machine.

don't think it matters. Seems the way time works is the only way the timelines actually diverse is if the stones aren't on the same timeline.

Otherwise nothing changes on the main timeline even if you go back and screw around with stuff.

How did he get the sheild

Just realized Hulk literally fought no one in the entire movie. What the fuck Russo bros

Damn man you guys are boring, I bet some of you spend all,day arguing about these movies. Why? Go to a strip club. At least for one night. I just came back from s strip club and I had a lot of fun. Rap fun, not some "I btfo out of someone" type of "fun" lol. You have to be outgoing though and at least a little bit handsome or cute. I had four bitches on me and the rest of the guys were just sitting there with their beer being lame. So don't be lame, especially if you decide to go to a strip club. Actually don't be lame at all, ever. I didn't even read any posts ITT including the OP, I just know some of you lame fucks are out there. Just remember, you only have one life to live.

P..S. I'm a little bit drunk but not really but so I apologize for the long/blog post.

PiPi. S. I don't really care if you read this or take my advice although you should and also I'm not gonna read any replies baecsuse you sad fucks are lame lol

but then how did he get back into their timeline? why would he be there at the end if what you say is true?

Real fun* like squeezing asses and titties and fucking those whores

kek

Nope. Going back in time and changing anything creates an alternative branch. Fixing that change fixes the branch but cap staying creates too many changes. The ancient one was illustrating the point with a stone it’s not JUST the stones that affect the branches.

Cap must have just picked a timeline at random and lived out until Peggy died.

It’s not just the stones that create multiple timelines. It’s any changes you make. The entire argument is you can’t change the future which you do just by appearing.

Cap didn't go just go back to return the infinity stones. He also went back to stop the past selves doing the retarded shit they did, like Nebula getting captured.

This would unironically be kino

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>yoinked the Tesseract
>swooced right out of there

laughed harder than I should

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How many times do you have to be told he can’t stay in the same timeline and Marry Peggy because in the “main” timeline she’s married with two kids.

can't see pic for some reason but huminah huminah these digits!

>didn't expose the holohoax

dubs of recognition

Yes but Thor would like his hammer back in that time area. Can you imagine him standing there going wtf is taking so long when he summons it.

strip clubs are gross man

That was her first concern but they returned the stone before any of this happened to fix it. Cap returned to his time and didn't do anything to disrupt the world with which he lived in. He was living in hiding all these years to keep the timeline in accordance with the main timeline. It is movie logic. Or maybe there were some complications for Cap which we will see in future movies.

I don't see how he could return to the main timeline without going through the portal.

With whom though? You've seen her husband? Even if she had two kids then what's the problem with that? Those could be Steve's for all we know

He didn't need the portal

No they aren't, the Ancient One was explaining that the removal of the infinity stones dooms that timeline, leaving it open to attack from the dark forces.
Their presence as soon as they arrive creates a new timeline.

Who cares?

Peggy is BLACKED and therefore worthless.

That's the only logic conclusion I could come up with. Which is fine, it just would've been nice for a simple quick line of dialogue to explain it real quick.

there’s a fatal flaw in the film’s logic: You can’t travel in time farther back than when the time machine was created.

Because it alters the timeline. It isn’t an ethical thing

To get an Iron Man type helmet over that she will literally look like a Funko Pop

Yes, there are multiple timelines now.
One that branches from 2012 where Loki escapes, one that branches from 2103 where Thor meets his mum, one that branches from 2014 where Thanos disappears, one that branches from 1970 where Tony meets his father and Pym particle where stolen, and one from 1945 where Cap meets and stays with Peggy.
How Old Cap appeared on the bench is bullshit. If Old Cap appeared on the portal as he was supposed to as an old man and explained what he did everything would make sense, but appearing on the bench fucks everything up.

But then he's just creating a new timeline, like all their previous adventures. Otherwise everything that happened in New York is a part of the main timeline too.

They won't bring back Based RDJ and Based Evans because they're done with the MCU.

so funny to see people on Yea Forums thinking they are so smart and special

When Iron Man 3 came out there was talk from him and a producer that he might come back in 10 years and they said he would find out his dad is Richard Ryder and he may be Nova but i think planes changed and a lot of that backstory went to Quill.

The current theory is he will be retconed as having been in touch with Tony a lot and was another Stark Scholarship student and become some sort of Iron Lad and Fige said he would like to see a young Avengers but no real details

The second one.

Cap was always too based for used goods.

>the final scene with Steve and Peggy dancing
I can’t believe a capeshit film made me feel since Raimiman 2.

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so like... he want back to the age of small pocks, scurvy, shitty tele, shitty medicine, shitty cars, racism, sexism, agism, etc etc etc just for some batshit braud that only batted an eye to him when he got big?

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>Brainlet
>Quantum theory

Found the brainlet

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Helmet version with afro that sticks out the top incoming

I just wanna know shield continuity,

Where does 98 year old cap find the shield he gives to falcon?
Does he get it from after the events of civil war after it was dropped in front of Tony?

The shield that thanos shreds, Tony said he made that one new, right?

That looks so familiar I think we are in a time loop

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explained by hulk, 'he passed the timestamp' meaning he stayed in the past up to the present after delivering the infinity stones and lived from the 70's onward with carter.

what makes this confusing is whatever timeline he went to go be with carter would have a frozen rodger's who, while time travelling rodger's was with carter, would carry out all the things up to the returning of the stones. Which would mean there were 2 steve rodgerses from 1970s-2020ish

a closed time loop so it's fine

>This film
>Having anything to do with quantum theory

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??

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Maybe he returned to the first portal before the final battle when nobody was around and just hid somewhere nearby before showing up after the funeral?

This actually works if it's a recursive thing: every time, a Captain of another timeline that lived the exact same life comes in after the local Cap is frozen.
Eventually the local cap goes back to another timeline right after his counterpart is frozen.

Nigga change the yellow color to something readable.

>cmyk
>yellow text on white background
christ user

It's the reverse. You can go back as far as you want but you can only return, or go forwards, to a point where the machine exists.

Cap returning the stones at the end destroys any branch universes. Hulk and the Ancient One talk about this. There is only one timeline and it is a closed loop that ends with there always having been 2 Caps.

I'm colour blind. Colours mean nothing to me.

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If Cap returned the sceptre to the 2012 we saw, then Loki still escaped (and the stone is not in sceptre form, but whatever).

If Cap returned the power stone to Morag, then Thanos/Black Order/Gamora/Nebula/his entire army are still gone from that timeline.

Cap returning the tessarect to 1970 would then lead to the same 2012 where Loki escapes.

no one cares

>still gone from that timeline.
>Cap returning the tessarect to 1970 would then lead to the same 2012 where Loki escapes
no, those are different realities

Could have

Is that the leukemia riddled "dumb-sis.webm" that /wsg/ were obsessed with last year?

It’s hard to believe that cap wouldn’t be thick enough try to assist during something like 9/11, and wind up creating a new timeline. Did he just sit and watch thousands of people die and think “kek all part of the plan”

except the kid from iron man 3 was at tony's funeral, obviously teasing that he will be the next iron man, and he's a white man.

it was timey wimey mumbo jumbo garbage bullshit

they went through cringe explaining how time travel doesnt work as in back to the future and then they fuck up they own rules

what a pile of turn you brain off garbage

the stunningly beautiful woman who he saw when him and tony went back to get the pym particles? yeah

dude it's capeshit, just unplug your brainer

Why couldn't they literally just jump to other timelines to steal copies of scarjo/tony before they died?

this means what you do in the past affects the future. Because it's 1 timeline.

Now explain to me why killing baby Thanos doesn't work with this established rule?

Couldn’t you just go back to just before ScarJo killed herself and bring her back? If it doesn’t affect the future? Same for Vision?

I just love the idea of old man cap hobbling through the battle for earth

Then there's alternate timelines, how did the original timeline have 2 Captain Americas?

This all makes sense except Cap didn't appear in the portal, he was just already sitting on a bench. I think it's the one thing they screwed up for the sake of giving Cap a better send off.

That not what she was talking about at all. Taking the stones does not create an alternate timeline, the act of travelling back in time does. The Ancient One was talking about how taking the stones leaves the timeline unprotected against the dark forces.

I don't think it's coincidence that BIG SPOILERS the avengers that are gone also had some of the biggest paychecks, loudest mouths, and most 'fatigue' likely attached to them. I wouldn't doubt as Disney prepares to go full monopoly with their own streaming service they're cutting anyone they own on a golden-age style years long contract. If you thought superhero films were soulless money machines, you ain't seen nothing yet.

correcting: cutting anyone they don't own

Cap was around 120 (not counting the time where he was freezed) but looked like a guy in his 70s. He probably has 30 more years.

If you watch the Dr. Strange movie The Bald One is adamant about not teaching Benedict Cucumberpatch because she fears he'll end up like her previous disciple Mads Milkerssin. In fact she mentions this over and over during the start of that movie.

That's why the scene in Endgame with Bruce Banner on the New York sanctuary rooftop is fucking bullshit and a gaping bullshit plot hole since she supposed to know that Benedict is her successor.

You forgot the Asgardian timeline, where presumably Cap has to inject Natalie Portman with red goo.

You can go back and kill baby thanos but then you have to stay there to see the benefits of it. You cant kill him and jump back to your original time, it doesnt change what already happened in your established history. You just made an alternate history, worth as much as a “what if” simulation.

Why give it to sam and not bucky?

It’s comic book logic, best not to overthink it, they needed to figure out a way to exit people whose contracts had ended. Give it another 10-15 years and they’ll all show up again for Avengers 10 in some sort of ass pull time travel scene that’ll be a call back to Endgame’s endfight.

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I want to put my penis in her vagina and inseminate her womb

it rly dose not, we dont know who the husband was it could be old cap.

Old Cap lived in the current timeline, so 2 caps were alive at the same time. He didn't do anything that would contradict the current timeline so it's allowed. Loki teleported away with the stones which contradicts current timeline, so a new timeline is created in the new avengers 1 history (Disney+ series probably). Not really that hard.

Yes, exactly. I mean, I could even accept the bringing the stones back fix everything (it doesn't make sense, but it's their "rule" after all), but Cap simply couldn't be on the bench in the main timeline...

Because Falcon and Cap were together longer than Buck and Cap. Relevant to the comics

He couldn't do anything about 9/11 because people would recognize him and alter the original timeline.

Returning the stones back fixed (wiped) Loki timeline...According to them, not me. Also, you can't change the past.

Maybe Bruce coming back into her time expanded her view of the future or some bullshit so that she was able to see the results.

>Because Falcon and Cap were together longer than Buck and Cap
Cap and Bucky were literally childhood friends nigga,

"THOR: THE GOD OF THUNDER" FOR THE DS WAS A GOOD GAME

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That's not what the fucking scene said. She said she needed them or they're fucked with no way to defend themselves.

They didn't return the stones in order to preserve the timeline, they did it in order to not fuck over the other timeline.

He has the chronoGPS. He could always go home when he wanted to

so how did Captain America go back to the past and ended up in that timeline older?

so it makes an alternate timeline then?

Because Bucky's name and face were known to the world as being an assassin and terrorist. He would -never- be able to be Captain America. Sam on the other hand is an American soldier of good morals and has done a bunch of good without any of the nasty baggage Bucky has.

Bucky is better qualified as he's a super soldier too, but of the two, only Sam can actually be inspiring to people since the public would string Bucky up for what he's done.

He was always there.

what if he used the time stone instead of the quantum realm?

What year it is in the movies now?

these are good reasons. Plus it seems like he spoke to Bucky before. Bucky straight up says "Im gonna miss you" before cap leaves. Id say Bucky knew everything.

>"Time travel doesn't work like it does in the movies!"
>"We are entering into alternate dimensions when we jump to different time periods, it's your future, not the past!"
>Cap proceeds to live a new life in the past which directly effects the present timeline that they currently inhabit, exactly like Bill and Ted/Back to the Future

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It did seem like even if he didn't know it all, he knew Cap well enough to know it was going to happen. I woulnd't be surprised though if Cap spoke to Bucky or said goodbye beforehand. Bucky would be happy for him and tell him to go be happy and leave the rest to them. All questioning about time loops and alternate branches and shit aside, that scene has a lot of really great character stuff going for it, and perfectly captures the characters involved in it.

She confesses before she dies she saw her future, knew how she'd died and knew about Dr.Strange. She very much knew he'd be there when she dies. She says she believes in him and all that shit and then dies.

>She says she believes in him
is this anime now? when will the mouse colonize and ruin anime too?

>removing an infinity stone creates a divergent timeline
Yes. Did you forget what happens literally seconds after that was explained?
>putting the stone back restores it to the original timeline as if nothing ever happened
Steve merged back into the main timeline because he put all the stones back

YOU FUCKING MORONS

When did that happen? I mean, let's say he puts back last stone...*puff* he goes...where?

Couldn't they just deage him with quantum science magic?

Are you saying that he waited to live his whole life before putting back the final stone and merging back into the main timeline?

Sam was still a wanted criminal after Civil War and then went on the run around the world with Cap up until IW where he got dusted. I have a feeling that Ross and the American government might not appreciate either of them tarnishing the American brand name and their tv show dealing with that.

He doesn't go puff you idiot, the timeline just plays out exactly as it was going to as if the stones were never taken, ie exactly the same as the main timeline. It ends up being the main timeline because the divergence was nullified.

I'm not saying that at all, in fact the only way for the timeline to not diverge is to put the stones back exactly when they were taken so the timeline doesn't diverge. EXACTLY LIKE THEY EXPLAIN IN THE MOVIE!

>is to put the stones back exactly when they were taken
Uhh he's travelling through time, mate. It doesn't really matter when he does it.

I am the idiot. Cap puts all stones back. He goes where? Not back to the platform. Let's say putting them back deletes the other timelines (I have a couple of problems with that, but, let's pretend it's ok), what does he do? Return to the platform? No. Goes back to Peggy. Ok. Lives there laying low, while the other cap does the job and we see him last time on the platform. He then goes to the bench to meet the others. However, where I live, that's called changing the past.

He found it "gratuitous" at that point.

This is correct except the 2012 timeline.
This is undone since the stone was put back

>old captain america
>super human
>new captain america
>regular black guy
anyone wanna explain how they are going to make this work?

He can fly 'n technology 'n shit.

Wasn't that woman he fucked in the Winter Soldier her daughter? Surely she would have recognized him and rejected what he was doing if he was her father

The stones have to go back to the exact point in time that they were taken. That is WHERE IN TIME the stones have to be returned.

The timeline that Captain America aged in isn't really important, he could have merged the timelines immediately after being sent back, or just before we see him on the bench. All we know is that he did merge the timelines back, and in doing so he would have lived in the main timeline all along anyway. Time travel!

Niece.

It's just symbolic. Power level wise he's just Widow replacement. The real Cap replacement is the wewuzkangs.

So are we just gonna pretend that Deadpool isn't Marvel now that Disney own the rights to him even though his time travel is very much Bill and Ted like?

I wonder who's honestly going to watch the avengers now that they replaced everyone with women

Nope. Explain which part of the past did he change. For his life it's basically a closed loop.

That's exactly what happens, yes. Except I would say he doesn't delete the other timelines, just prevents them from happening.

He does live with Peggy in the main timeline because he was always going to.

Fuck Marvel is done

>b-but causal loops
>b-but muh time travel rules
let me break it down for you idiots one more time: INFINITY STONES MAKE IT WORK.
The answer to any of your bullshit questions is INFINITY STONES.
Returning the stones makes all the artificially created branches merge back into the master timeline. If you want to get scientific about it, it's a waveform collapse. Yes, there always were, and always have been two instances of Steve Rogers existing at the same time since the 1940s. One who was frozen, woke up, was in the Avengers, then time travelled back to become the 2nd instance who lived out life with Agent Busty while the first instance was frozen etc.

And stop banging on about 9/11. Why would Cap try and interfere? He lived through a war where Hitler turned 6 million Jews into soap. He wouldn't get out of bed for a few hundred overpaid bankers, especially if Peggy was in the same bed.

Why didn't The Avengers go forward in time to after they had won and borrow the Infinity stones to win?

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Sure, ok, I understand what they're trying to do, but that's exactly what changing the past is. I am not saying it can't happen, it could, but in a different timeline, not in the original one. I know what a closed loop is.

Why can't all of you prententious smarties just fucking stop and accept that time travel is by its nature bound to have plotholes, impossible to make sense, and just ruins all the media it's in the moment it gets introduced?

Stop giving condescending answers to the people who question it.

Thank you.

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Except Loki escapes with space stone

There's no timetravel-related plotholes outside of the Bench.

It literally says in the movie if you pay attention, retard

I understand what you mean,but I have a question. How does Cap fix Power stone timeline in your opinion?

>forward in time
A concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle and such.

>How does Cap fix Power stone timeline in your opinion?
what?

No he doesn't change the past. Like Hulk said, when you go to the past, that 'past' becomes your 'present' and the 'future' you left becomes your 'past'. And for Steve to be able to meet Sam and co at the portal spot he needed to stay as far and as quiet as possible. He didn't change anything because he was always there in that timeline.

So did they create a new timeline every time they went to the past?

If so, why were they so afraid of messing about with it? That didn't really make sense to me. It wasn't their past so what was the problem with present Stark just explaining?

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I think the movie operates on the logic that only the stones being 'out of place' can make new timelines.

In infinity War, Thanos uses the Time Stone to undo Vision destroying his stone. That doesn't make a new timeline, he just changes what happened in the main timeline. The same happens with Cap growing old.

what what? Captain America returning the stones. Let's focus on the Power Stone. He goes in that timeline , throws the stone in the air and says "done"?

>, when you go to the past, that 'past' becomes your 'present' and the 'future' you left becomes your 'past'.
No problem with this
> And for Steve to be able to meet Sam and co at the portal spot he needed to stay as far and as quiet as possible. He didn't change anything because he was always there in that timeline.
I have problem with this

He jumped back using remaining pym particles. He had to have a load of them to go to all the other timelines and he didn't warp to landing pads so what's the problem?

>*ten years from now
>*around the time of avengers 7
>*siiiiip
>ah
>now endgame, that was an avengers movie

based

Yes, and you're correct. However a good portion of people here on /tv says those two arrow in the last one are part of the line, so not needed.

So what the platform was there for?

To calibrate him leaving? If he can hop between 5 timelines without a launchpad, presumably he doesn't need one to return.

Who cares, he decided he'd rather stay and titty fuck Peggy for 40 years than fight aliens, and honestly, he deserves it.

>He jumped back using remaining pym particles
But that's wrong. He grew to old age in the main timeline, because the stones were put back, meaning no alternate timelines were ever created.

Its that simple and the movie explains it for you

>he grew to old age in the main timeline
No, he clearly grew old with Peggy in an alternate timeline.

>meaning no alternate timelines were ever created.
That doesn't make sense. How can they deletee past Thanos and not create a separate timeline?

There wasn't much quantum theory being discussed in details though. It's just a means for them to time travel, there wasn't anything confusing thrown. It was mentioned like a hundred times in the movie how time travel works in that universe so OP's question is just stupid.

Because only the stones matter in terms of changing/creating branching timelines, not the actual events/people in it. It's why the baby Thanos theory was even dismissed in the first place. You actually proved yourself wrong, you brainlet.

YOU CAN'T TIME TRAVEL BACK TO YOUR OWN TIME LINE

How many times does hulk have to explain this to you stupid cunts?

>movie uses the same time travel rules as harry potter
>brainlets are still too dumb to understand it

>hurr ur 2 stupid 2 understnad it

>Captain America is now black

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At that point, what Ross and the American govt felt regarding the situation would be worthless. Half the world vanished and due to the Avengers, were brought back. After that the Accords would seem like pretty small potatoes, and having an American soldier be at the forefront of bringing half the world back from the dead would be -way- too much good press for anyone could argue down. whatever it was before, after Endgame, the shield would be very much back to the pristine state as a symbol it was before Cap went rogue.

Because changing the past just creates a split timeline. They wouldn't be killing the Thanos that they fought.

Those timelines played out exactly like the main timeline because the stones were effectively never taken. Because there is now no divergence from the main timeline, the alternate timelines cease to exist /they are the main timeline too. This is the logic that the movie operates on. Steve grew old with Peggy in what became the main timeline.

The branching timeline is merged back because he returned the stones. So he didn't have to time travel at all, he just had to return the space stone last and live with Peggy which cycles back to the main timeline.

Wait what the fuck when hulk snapped the first time why didnt he just bring back everyone and also kill thanos and his army

That doesn't make senes, though. In one timeline Loki escaped with the tesseract.

Even besides that, the butterfly effect doesn't make sense.

How could the events play out as they originally did if Captain America found out Bucky was alive?

Thanos hadn't invaded yet, they didn't know that they needed to do that.

No one expected the alternate Thanos to arrive at all.

Loki escaping with his own tesseract is the only actual time anomaly and it feels more like loose setup for his TV show.

Well then that will be a paradox since Thanos wouldn't have existed in the timeline where he returned the stones and that means it's not the timeline where Tony Stark died. See this is why I like the time travel theory they used in the movie, it doesn't have that many paradoxes in it and I don't know why they made him sit in the bench when he returned, I thknk that was what was confusing about the whole thing. They should've just made him appear in the pod an old man. When you time travel, it's a different timeline, that's' just how quantum universe works, there's no merging of timelines otherwise there'd be paradoxes.

Okay I'm wrong about thanos since the thanos that died was the 2014 thanos, not the 1970 one. The shield is what was from 1970 that he brought back after living his life with peggy.

>You can't go back into the past and change stuff, because you travel to an alternate timeline
>Except Captain America who returned all the stones to other timelines and somehow stayed in the original timeline

He didn't change anything in the end, he was just revealed to be Peggy's husband all along. It's weird but that's essentially what they went with.

How are you lot so retarded they explain it almost perfectly in this dumb movie for kids:
>Taking infinity stones causes an alternate universe
>Putting them back destroys the alternate universe and everything's back to normal
There are only 2 different timelines at the end of the movie iirc:
>timeline where Loki escapes
>timeline where Thanos and crew fucked off and never came back
The reason Captain America stayed in the same timeline is because he put all the stones back to normal, then poresumably led a hidden life, as to not interact with any major events that would create a seperate timeline. yes I see how this is flawed as surely any change is as big as the next, but fuck you this is a kids movie and they needed a simple but satisfying ending

but how does he appear at the bench?

He brought back a shield. The shield in the current timeline was destroyed. That was clearly from the 1970's timeline shield. It was even made clear in the movie that what tony gave him was the last and only one.

Its the first one you fucking dunce
why the fuck would it be anything else
seriously
what the fuck

Isn't going back in time and fucking someone "changing stuff"?
Also doesn't that mean Captain America fucks his granddaughter or whatever?

why exactly did they have to get that sceptre Loki had in with him if it didn't contain any infinite stones?

His niece and no they only kissed.

Because he's sitting around at the end and doesn't suddenly appear.

The correct answer is that this was a movie made mainly for kids so don't overstress your brain thinking about it too much

> then presumably led a hidden life
so there would be two Caps in one same timeline after all?

It had the mind stone, the one from Vision's forehead. The sceptre was revealed to have a stone when Ultron took it and made Vision.

Yeah. It's silly but that's pretty much what the movie went with.

and that timeline will be fucked by thanos as that was most probably one of the 14 million that strange saw. Good thing peggy or cap will die before thanos happens.

That's still weird. Also how did his niece not recognise him?

>Captain America
>Fucks his relative
kino

It shouldn't. Black women should be proud of their hair

Now that I think about it what's the point in returning all the stones? They've already irreversibly fucked over multiple timelines so why not just keep the stones and revive Iron Man?

Isnt one rule of the stones is that they cannot be destroyed? And that reality A's stones are nothing but rocks in reality b? At least in the comics that's how I remember it when another infinity gauntlet complete with infinity gems were taken to earth 616 and that it was useless

It’s simple.
>Cap goes back in time to return stones
>decides to stay in the past with Peggy
>now there are two caps in the past. One frozen and one with Peggy
>future Cap and Peggy grow old together
>past Cap gets unfrozen and does all the things he does in the movies
>future Cap (now old) goes to the bench when his past self brings the stones back to give the shield to Falcon
>past Cap continues the cycle.

The only problem is the shield. There’s only one shield and it gets destroyed by Thanos. I don’t know where he got a mint condition shield from.

without rdj, these films are done. the entire appeal of iron man was that it was seen as rdj's redemption arc. we know how powerful redemption arcs are in pop culture. everyone just balled their eyes out over tiger woods winning his first pga title in years. so it was sort of like that for rdj ten years ago. he came back from irrelevance and terrible addiction and everyone wanted to see him be the pithy bad ass crazy genius who beat up things. the success of iron man led to the avengers. they built two new huge stars to make it happen in hemsworth and evans, but they all connect with rdj. normies would not have given a fuck about these movies without the downey.

so now what are they going to do? find some random that cant act to suit up and be iron man? no. they aren't going to capture magic in a bottle twice. they cant restart the franchise with the same success, therefore anything they do will be a failure.

the age of cape shit is done. robert downey junior gave it life, and he taketh away. He really is end game.

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But doesn't that contradict what Hulk said about not being able to change the past?

there's two

tony made one and Howard made one

plus the whole wakanda thing means you can probably make another one

no because he doesn't intereact with anything, thus changing nothing. for all we know he was always with peggy during the other films

Not even that, how are they going to even make anything different anymore, as every film repeats the same plot, and even the one exceptional plot (Infinity War) is done now. They have nothing new to offer to the audience anymore.

He interacts with Peggy and has children with her though

That’s what I was thinking but the only thing is it’s future Cap giving the shield to Falcon. Future Cap wouldn’t involve himself with the Avengers in the past so he probably had no contact with Tony or Wakanda

i think they are going to try with x men but even that was carried by hugh jackman. like wtf are they going to do? put some onions in a wolverine outfit and hope for the best?

>some onions

fucking s o y filter. honestly name one actor who could do wolverine now. tom hardy... Maybe.

So when's Adam Warlock

Tom Hardy definitely. But good luck getting him. Another might be that Tom Hardy look alike that was in Upgrade. Really though, I think they should attempt the X-Men -without- Wolverine. At good as a character as Hugh made him, it was because he was so good that other extremely high potential characters in X-Men didn't get a chance to grow. And not Jean Grey either, fuck that trainwreck.

Robert Downey jr.

Not before shitting it up with his welfare niggery and gay hippy shit "tolerance"

Natural black hair when it's styled and grown out looks nicer than nasty weaves and shit.

Bravo user bravo

>mfw a person could despise her own appearance and that of her race so much

There are two Steve Rogers. One living low key and kept a secret by Peggy, this Steve has seen some shit. The other is the one frozen in the ice and is about to see some shit.

I'm way more confused on how future Steve returned the stones in containers that didn't exist anymore, like the Tesseract, the Aether or the Scepter. I can't see a reasonable argument to this yet.

Yeah, but he is not changing his personal past.

What is this sword called and what is it made of?

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