Explain the ending with him

I think the way they phrased it was that by killing Thanos as a kid it would not affect their current timeline because everything wouldn't suddenly change but Captain America going back to 1940 of his timeline and spending his life growing up with his wife means he could show up in their current timeline to hang out with them?

It was retarded.

Slow way work, quick way not work.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Pretty much shows he couldn't move on over the course of the other five films. Dancing with her should've been satisfactory enough.

but user, the milkers
THE MILKERS

what is so hard to understand?
>he goes back in time
>Give all the stones to their propper owners in the moment they where taken.
>Returns Thor`s hammer
>Goes for his dance with Peggy and decide to stay and live a happy life from the point he got frozen and just be a happy dude.
>Reach their friends at the ending being a happy old guy.

is the most based ending possible for the most based character ever. Watching him swinging Mjiolnir was pure joy.

I completely agree with you. Trips of truth.

> only one trip back each
> they send captain cuck back 6 times to return the stones
ffs

The only thing I can imagine is this:
>present day Cap returns stones
>returns tesseract to a point in time after he was frozen
>finds Peggy and lives a secret life with her while past Cap is frozen
>frozen Cap thaws and finds Peggy 70 years later or whatever who already has dementia
>Cap from the future knows when he coming by so he goes into hiding so past Cap doesn’t find him
>Peggy has dementia so she can’t even tell there’s a young and old Cap running around
>Past Cap does all the things he does in the movies until endgame where he goes back in time

At the end of Endgame Old Cap that was sitting on the bench while younger Cap went back in time. There was always two Caps.

>"Okay guys, we bring him back in 5 seconds"
>Old Cap appears on the pad
>The team starts panicking, thinks there's a malfunction
>"Guys, stop. It's really me."
>Explains he did the full "real life" loop before activating the time device
>No more plothole
Do i have a future in Hollywood lads?

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Exactly. It makes no sense. If that logic applies, then its retarded that cap could go back in time, live out the rest of his years, and not affect anything in the main timeline and not cause a butterfly effect.

>Steve Rogers going back in time/to the dimension he went to in 1943
How do you know Captain American returned in 1943? He was frozen in 1945, why would he return two years before his past self was frozen or before Peggy and him met?

How did Carter keep his secret?

It also doesn't make any sense. Are you telling me people in the 40s wouldn't recognize Cap on sight and tell others of his return even if he was trying to conceal his identity and pose as Peggy's husband under a different name? Or the fact that characters after WW2 wouldn't comment on the fact that Peggy's husband just happens to look like the First Avenger and not mention it to Steve, especially Coulson, Fury, and Sharon, Peggy's niece? I mean, there's just so much assumptions people have to make, and many others would have to deliberately be on it, to the point that it would have to be a conspiracy involving at least dozens of conspirators, many of which are people in high places.

>he stole pym particles at the military base
>hank pym is alive and can make more

Which means he fucked his descendant in winter soldier.

She was the leader of SHIELD at the time. Nobody knew but her.

Pussy game was too strong

Cap should have just died and met Peggy on the afterlife if he really couldn't accept the film's own message of moving on in life. Him cucking his past life and Peggy's husband who she married and had children yet somehow is still part of the mainline MCU timeline is just retconned BS.

Its pretty clear that Cap doesn't believe the advice he gives about moving on. He was never going to do it.

You missed the part where they procured more Pym particles to make more timejumps?

You guys are fucking retarded. The movie explicitly told you there is no such thing as a butterfly effect in their time travel. They cannot go to the past, AT ALL. They cannot change the future, AT ALL.

What they repeatedly and painstakingly established is that you make an ALTERNATE TIMELINE when you travel and change things. Even if you go back and kill baby Thanos, all it does it create a new timeline where Thanos is dead. It doesn't alter the original timelines events of Thanos' actions. Likewise, them killing past Thanos at the end of the movie doesn't undo his actions in Infinity War, because that is an alternate timeline Thanos.

You actually have to be genuinely mentally disabled to watch the movie and come out thinking it was all one timeline.

>Steve now has to pretend to live a normal life as a normal citizen
>realizes it's impossible, with so much injustice and distrust
>adopts the Nomad persona and becomes a vigilante durinhg the 70s
>guaranteed TV show on Disney+

You are the one whose retarded considering you just repeated both of the posts points.

The problem is Cap was supposed to go to the alternate timeline but somehow ended up in the original. (Did he came back? How? Where is his quantum suit?)

But if Cap went to a different timeline in the ending, how come he's old in the main timeline? He shouldn't even exist. Unless the time machine creates a double.

Dubs of understanding

I cannot fucking believe you all actually watched this. That being said, what was the post-credits scene?

>That being said, what was the post-credits scene?
There was none.

That's the problem we have with the ending. For some of us, in original timeline: he doesn't come back, in alternate timeline: bench scene. However it looks like it's original timeline...And that doesn't make any sense.

There was none, just ends with a clank clank clank sound

Timelines are seperate. Mcu multiverse is set up here. Everytime there is a change using time travel a seperate timeline is created, they fucked it up when loki got tesserect and steve went back but thats fine because its a seperate timeline.

Steve comes back to our timeline, our universe with a shield from alt-timeline-altuniverse to pass on to sam. How hard is this to understand for everyone? Steve lived out his life in a different universe essentially and then fucking came back.

Because it wasn't a one way ticket, he came back and thats not shown or explained and people are brainlets about it. How else did he have a fucking repaired shield? The shield is there to tell you its from a different timeline because the shield in our time got fucking destroyed fucking days or hours ago.

But since it mirrors a new timeline instead of a prebuilt one (e.g. the Marvel Zombies universe), it means it's the same fucking world. He could still prevent a lot of stuff that happened in the main and many other timelines.

The steve thats old is a different universe steve obviously. Yet the same person though because even with the parallel timelines. Each steve follows the same path to endgame and will eventually return the stones back in time to a different dimension, growing old and meeting up with the respective universes characters in that paralell time. The steve theyre talking to in the end may very well not be the steve who left 5 seconds ago but he is still in essence the very same cap from the parallel universes doing this jump.
TLDR; steve has created a never ending cycle of jumping to multiple universes.

>the DCEU could have introduced the Multiverse with Flashpoint
>instead the MCU did it and now the DCEU is no more

You only see it as a problem because you don't consider that a captain America went back in time from another universe into their parralel universe thus creating the avengers time line we all know.

Cap had one dance with peggy, eventually broke up with her, found a new girl, lived life as an undercover vigilante, reached old age, and then in turns out that his "new" timeline is actually the original timeline of infinity war and endgame, thus resulting in a stable time loop.

All of you are mentally handicapped. Before cap gets sent back they say "how long will it take him" "as long as he needs, but for us it will be 10 seconds". Cap returns the stones and goes back to live with Peggy. He lives a whole life with her and then uses his time watch thing to sync with hulk and is brought back to the main timeline 10 seconds after they send him back. The only "plot whole" is that he didn't warp back to the pad he gets warped to the bench. They repeat NUMEROUS times that you can't change the future only create new timelines.

So it means he could go back to the main timeline to eat a shawarma with Tony then fuck off whenever he wanted?

HOLY FUCK. I found someone here who isn't retarded and understood the simple fucking concept of the movie.

Holllllllllly fuck why am i so surprised.

This guy. The rest of you arguing are idiots.

they didnt fuck

doesn't he return to 1970?

>live until exactly the time you go back
>time travel from the present to the present
hehe what

but he's aged and its implied they married

How did Steve managed to repair his shield/find a replacement for Sam? He's an oldman now that can't have people finding out his true identity. Vibranium is only found in Wakanda.

Can't, it doesn't make sense.
The fans don't care so why should the film makers?

I thought exactly the same

Getting cap out of the way so he can be replaced by the heroine AMERICA

>It's made clear that time travel isn't going back into the same timeline, but instead you jump to parallel universes
Why didn't The Living Tribunal step in and put a stop to this shenaniganry the second they started affected universes outside of their own?

Catastrophe to that timeline but nothing to theirs, yes.

Its a different universe/timeline shield. He fucked up that timeline even more by taking that shield but its okay because of how time works in this universe.

You sound like Will Ferrel's character from The Other Guys

Next time baby? I don't fucking know sometimes they do shit with this later like they did with this movie and having the winter soldier hydra guys around in end game when they werent cast in avengers 1.

Completely agree, Cap should have sacrified himself for Tony then died and danced with Peggy in the Afterlife of the post credits

why the fuck was Secretary ross at tony's funeral but so were bucky, cap, falcon etc. people he'd been hunting in civil war, regardless of the time skip

Very truthful.

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If the infinity stones are capable of destroying themselves are they capable of cloning themselves?

this, in 3-5 years when Evans realizes no one will hire him

Are you stupid? He has a nanotech suit the disappears on command. How the fuck do you think he got back. I swear they need to have an autist in the writer's room so they can please people like you that can't figure out 2+2=4

He's old because he lived out his life in an alternate timeline, its not like they become frozen in time when they leap.

i get it overall but here's the one thing I don't get.

Did cap live in an alternate timeline and teleport back? Why did he goto the bench?

Or did cap live in the past of their timeline and there were two Caps?

because it made shit literary sense. Captain america is the man out of time. it's him who's supposed to sacrifice himself. His love is lost, his life is lost. He doesn't belong here. He's an outdated symbol of the past.

>dude trust my headcanon

retard

The ending, after he comes back, is happening in another timeline

Because when the worlds population literally bit the dust, collapsing the government and they restore you and then the villain almost makes you bite the dust again. Do you really give a shit if the people youre considering fugitives just saved the world for you?

doesn't make sense if you are literally retarded

if you don't pay attention to the movie I guess everything seems like its made up

sorry, buds. thats not the same cap. its just he go back to the 40s on all timelines. He's a cap from another timeline. doesnt really matter. the fact everyone is confused is evidence of poor writing. they should have explained it better in the movie. i mean they had 3 hours.

He would have to come back from the teleporter though.

This was also my take away and really the only answer that makes sense.

>Movie: "it doesn't work like back to the future"

>You, in the middle of sucking your twentieth dick of the night: "Oh yeah, its definitely back to the future."

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>time travel from the present of an alternative timeline to the original timeline
easy peasy

but wouldn't they go back in time of their timeline where the stones would never be stolen ?

so from now on the MCU is an alternative timeline? and the OG timeline is the one where Cap didnot come back?

>cucking Peggys husband

He WAS Peggys husband, he just had a new identity. Everything happened in the old movies while old cap was there.

He still can come back through the teleporter, just can come an hour early and sit down on the bench waiting for them to arrive.

Very true. I just wish they'd addressed it in that fashion and wrapped up the Civil War conflict properly. I feel like Lord of the Rings extended Edition style directors cut would have allowed time to address these issues

Okay
>go back in time to return stones and hammer
>stay in past to have a family
>create split timeline
>80 years later wife dies and life in that universe is pointless
>use time machine to go back to original timeline and say good bye to your friends
There

yes

But how did he come to the bench instead of the teleporter

Nah man, he went back in time and saw peggy again, probably explained a little bit of how he was there. Then he lived out his life from 1940 until the end of end game where he was supposed to appear on the teleport after five seconds. The reason he is there is because he knew the exact time they would be waiting for him, and sat on the bench near it so he could see his friends for the last time. Peggy had probably died at that point and they married, and cap was probably like 120-130 kept alive from the super serum.

Nothing changed from the past or the future from cap doing this, it was always going to happen this way.

The only way this would've worked is if he came back through the timemachine as an old man and not on the bench

Peggy also had two children with her mysterious husband. If Steve is the father, I don't know if the serum is genetically inheritable, then their children, which never make an appearance, either, would also have to hide the fact that their father is an alt-Cap from another universe, and have to be on the conspiracy as well. There's no way they wouldn't be asking questions that their father just happens to look like the First Avenger that kissed their mother once.

how did they get those costumes when they when back to the 1970s?

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wasnt peggy already dead in that universe?

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Yes but not in 1940s, where she and cap lived beyond that. Peggy still died whenever she died, but there was a loop created and ended by cap.

People keep saying this different universe thing but I didn't see that at all. The only branching of universes would occur with something major happening, like removing an infinity stone, according to the sorceress supreme. By ensuring that the stones were returned, they were preventing any kind of branching of alternate universes and simply stayed within the same timelines as before with minor adjustments, like Loki escaping custody 3 months earlier or Starlord getting knocked out right before he finds the power stone. Things were changed but not enough to alter reality completely

You really think that any plot heavily involving time travel is going to make any logical sense?

The scene implies that Cap lived his life and then went to go sit on the bench to wait for them on that day. He isn't wearing a suit, does not have the time-GPS-watch thing on, AND he is not teleported back to the pad. All of this points to the conclusion that he did NOT warp back using time travel.

How was he teleported to the bench? he was supposed to appear in the pad, every time they go back to the original timeline they appear in the pad.

He worked with Hank Pym in the other universe. Together, after decades of work, they were able to figure out how to get him back to his own time/universe, 30metres away from the time machine.

It consumed large parts of both of their lives but it was worth it in order to briefly surprise Falcon.

Could Cap's time travel paradox be solved by saying that the "Endgame Universe" that we observed is not the original universe?

For this example, there are 3 universes: Universe A, Universe B, and Universe C.

Endgame (that we follow) is Universe B. They go back to Universe C and take the stones, then return to Universe B to snap everyone back, and finally have Universe B Cap return the stones to Universe C. Universe B Cap STAYS IN UNIVERSE C, then and meets Universe C Avengers as an old man on the bench.

All of this also happens one universe "up" as well. So Universe A Avengers collect Universe B's stones, and send Universe A Cap into Universe B to return them, where he grows old and meets Universe B's Avengers on the bench.

This logic would say that the Cap we see at the end of Endgame is really another timeline's/universe's Cap, meaning that the Avengers we observe throughout the movie had already been visited by another Universe's Avengers and had their stones collected without them knowing.

So one Universe, that being Universe A, is the one Universe where there isn't an Old Captain America waiting for them? That Sam, Bucky. Bruce, all the Avengers etc are all left wondering where Steve ran off to, whether he died, stayed in another Universe, or went to the future etc. Dick move on Universe A Steve for not telling his friends that he just can't live without the love of his life and ditch them without ever telling them what happened to him. Hell, this can start a Time Travel venture where Sam and Buck visit other Universes just to find out what happened to him.

this this this

Cause then Chris Evans could come back and he doesn't want that

No. Universe A is met with another Universe's Cap. There would essentially be an infinite number of parallel universes.

Universe C would get Old Cap B

Universe B would get Old Cap A

Universe A would get Old Cap (for the sake of example) 1Z

Universe 1Z would get Old Cap 1Y

that would repeat an infinite number of times