This was kino. What's your favourite film from French New Wave filmmaker? What's your favourite French New Wave director? Also why is Godard so overrated? He is considered the best out of FNW despite being one of the worst ones. Rivette, Resnais and Rohmer are much better.
La Belle Noiseuse (1991)
Jaxson Anderson
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Mason Sanders
this moovee makes my willy feel nice
Dominic Collins
Bump
Lincoln Johnson
I've not seen many, but I really loved Last Week at Marionbad and Hiroshima, My Love
though I do hate how dialogue heavy they are, given the visual strength of both films, the overabundance of narration is very distracting and only adds to the pretension
Brandon Richardson
Rivette is my favourite. Chabrol is great, too. Godard isn't as great as those two, but still good.
Why do you think we never see the painting Frenhofer makes?
Matthew Howard
Missed the fact that there's a 4k restoration available now. Have to rewatch this one, even though I'm sure its 4 hours running time will still feel exasperatingly excessive.
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Depending on preference, Godard might not be the best but he certainly is the most prolific director of that era.
Angel Thompson
> Also why is Godard so overrated?
he made some good movies before falling over his head
Cooper Martinez
>What's your favourite French New Wave director?
Alain Resnais, Chris Maker and Agnes Varda
Rohmer and Godard have some interesting moovies
Hate Truffaut btw
Jackson Young
That's what i have been thinking about too, but i haven't come up with any interpretation yet.
Why do you hate Truffaut?
Cooper Reyes
>Why do you think we never see the painting Frenhofer makes?
the movie IS the painting
Grayson Lee
Whoa...
Brody Adams
Breathless. I am not ashamed.
Tyler Barnes
>Why do you hate Truffaut?
Overmelodramatic
Lacks the cleverness or inventiveness of other Nouvelle Vague directors
His writings are pretentious and full of nonsense (his interview with hitchcock is interesting not but because truffaut)
I was bored by The 400 Blows and hated Day for Night and Farenheit. Liked Adele H, but because Adjani.
No wonder he was Spielberg's favorite
Jacob Barnes
Jaxson Phillips
Funny thing about this is that Tarantino is the director he claims Godard is.
Juan Moore
Does any of Rivette's catalogue match up with Noiseuse? I started with that masterpiece and every subsequent film I've seen of his has been a bit hokey or underwhelming.
Personally I'm a big fan of Malle and Rohmer. Both are very striking naturalists. Watching a good Rohmer film makes me enthusiastic for life.
>Why do you think we never see the painting Frenhofer makes?
We do? He paints two, the blue 'comedy' one and the real one in where Beart looks like some weird crab-devil thing.
>Also why is Godard so overrated?
I'm not so sure he's rated as the best as much as being the most popular. He carved an edge by breaking convention and being in-your-face about it and that just kinda appealed to the mainstream more.
Personally I find his films to be eager yet shallow.
Michael Kelly
why nobody recognizes Richard Lester as a true New Wave director? He's not french, I know.
Jonathan Morales
Out 1, Celine and Julie Go Boating, The Gang of Four, The Story of Marie and Julien and Duelle are pretty great.
Matthew Long
Rohmer has outstanding taste in clothes. He pre-dated the hipster and retro movement by decades.
James Foster
>The Gang of Four, The Story of Marie and Julien
These are what I'm talking about when I say 'hokey'. Gang of Four starts of as the best of Rivette and Rohmer but turns into some weird crime adventure, and Marie & Julien has strange supernatural elements.
I want to love Rivette more but I don't enjoy the diversions he takes. Noiseuse sticks to the subject matter is a masterpiece because of it.
Are the others you listed any different in this regard?
Isaiah Thompson
you saw Paris Belongs To Us?
Brayden Gonzalez
Juan Wright
No. Is it worth watching? As in, would you label it as 'great'?
Hudson Ortiz
Noiseuse is different than his other films i think. Most of his films have strange, mysterious and playful elements. The other i listed are kind of similar they are not as serious as Noiseuse but more playful. But try checking out Celine and Julie Go Boating. He made some more classical films such as The Duchess of Langeais and The Nun. But i would still recommend Celine and Julie.
Also since you like Rohmer, what would you recommend as a starting point to his filmography?
Nicholas Barnes
I've yet to get around to it honestly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the themes are familiar.
Aaron Reyes
>smut by bourgeois
pass
Justin Watson
Michael Scott
Cooper Green
Oliver Garcia
Leo Moore
Jordan Ramirez
Yeah that's the impression I've gotten. I still need to watch a bunch of his filmography like 'Boating and The Nun, so I'll see how it goes.
For Rohmer I would recommend you start with his best, that being Claire's Knee. It's a straight masterpiece - intellectual, absurd, and well characters of different age groups to show a well-rounded perspective.
Then maybe move onto Pauline at the Beach or A Summer's Tale which are a bit more breezy and youthful - the 6 "Moral tales" films generally showcase a nice spread of scenarios and characters. (bare in my I've seen maybe 15 Rohmer films so my experience is incomplete).
P.S, can anyone name a more iconic photo
Julian Robinson
>We do? He paints two, the blue 'comedy' one and the real one in where Beart looks like some weird crab-devil thing.
We never see the real one, the one he covers up and puts in the wall.
Lucas Perry
Wasn't it weird when he was having a stroke?
Henry Sullivan
They are having a retrospective of Godard from 1960-67 in Toronto this Summer and I'm planning to see as many as I can. I think LE PETIT SOLDAT is my favourite but I also liked LE MEPRIS a lot when I saw it 20+ years ago. What are his best from that period? Didn't think BAND OF OUTSIDERS was so great when I saw it on DVD.
Dylan Garcia
The current films suck.
Censorship has arrived in France and they can not make movies like they did before
Andrew Rivera
Shoot The Piano Player is the best Truffaut film.
I agree that he's the most overrated.
Leo Ramirez
Breathless, Vivre Sa Vie, Le Mepris, Pierrot le Fou and Masculin Féminin are quite good.
Gabriel Jenkins
I thought we did, and she looked like some ugly crab thing. Maybe I'm misremembering.
Ethan Perez
I think I'm going to prioritize the ones I haven't seen or haven't seen in a long time. Those being:
BREATHLESS
ALPHAVILLE
WEEKEND
LE MEPRIS
A WOMAN IS A WOMAN
PIERROT LE FOU
LES CARABINIERS
MADE IN USA
MASCULIN FEMININ
TWO OR THREE THINGS I KNOW ABOUT HER
UNE FEMME MARIEE
Might skip LE PETIT SOLDAT, VIVRE SA VIE and LE CHINOISE because I've seen them recently and BAND A PART because I didn't like it that much. We'll see what happens.
Isaac Scott
The final one that he shows everyone is Beart kneeling in a fetal position with her face not visible, IIRC.
Easton Evans
That's a good plan. Enjoy. Pierrot Le Fou is visually great, it should look stunning on a big screen. I'm not a big fan of Made in U.S.A.
Jayden Kelly
Manon de Spring
Nathan Barnes
This
Also where are my Truffaut Bros at?
Parker Hill
L'argent de poche is dank.
If you liked Adele H you might like the last metro too.
Logan Howard
Tyler Roberts
What is his best visually? Who has seen le livre d'images ?
Nathaniel Howard
>What is his best visually
Goodbye to Language or Nouvelle Vague
Juan Nelson
LE LIVRE D'IMAGE is pretty good. Unfortunately they only translate about 1/3 of the dialogue into English, by Godard's choice. A French speaker would get more out of it.
Caleb Thompson
>Unfortunately they only translate about 1/3 of the dialogue into English, by Godard's choice.
What an autist.
Asher Ortiz
Didn't Godard do the same thing with Film Socialisme? I really don't understand his reasoning for this.
Hunter Richardson
Is there anything sexier than English spoken in a French accent
Oliver Bennett
Where should i start with Truffaut?
Michael Adams
Not sure if this counts.
Based and Left Bankpilled. I still need to get into Resnais.
Aiden Campbell
Rezzznaizzz.
What are his best films? They are doing a mini-retro in Toronto and I might catch one when I'm there to see something else. PROVIDENCE any good?
Landon Mitchell
Levi White
Breathless isn't really that good desu
Anthony Clark
>Alain Resnais, Chris Maker and Agnes Varda
Absolutely based. Left Bank represent.
William Watson
Hiroshima Mon Amour, Last Year at Marienbad, My American Uncle, Muriel, Je T’Aime, Je T’Aime and Providence are all good.
Matthew Perez
this. it's overrated as fuck
Blake Russell
This is what they are showing:
WILD GRASS
LOVE UNTO DEATH
MELO
PROVIDENCE
MY AMERICAN UNCLE
STAVISKY
JE T'AIME, JE T'AIME (with LA JETEE)
THE WAR IS OVER
MURIEL
LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD
HIROSHIMA, MON AMOUR
Various short films
I've been interested in the Jules Feiffer one about a cartoonist, but not showing, sadly. :(
Brandon Johnson
>Last Week at Marionbad
More like Last Year in Marienbad, but yeah, great movie. Don't know why everyone said Nolan copied it for Inception ...
Ryder Edwards
Paris Belongs to Us
The Nun
Duelle
Noroît
Le pont du Nord
Christopher Howard
I guess Hiroshima Mon Amour would be a reasonable choice as a first Resnais film. His short films are also good Toute la mémoire du monde, Night and Fog are very good. Also Je T’Aime, Je T’Aime with La Jetee is interesting combination, both are very good.
Carter Bell
All of those are good. Choose whatever sounds best to you.
Jack Thompson
>french sexuality>
Julian Nguyen
Looks like rape
Jace Lewis
Brayden Lee
For me, it's Pialat.
Wyatt Gray
when and where in toronto is the retrospective?
Joseph Thomas
TIFF Bell Lightbox
Various dates from July to August
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Jace Bell
Either Malle or Bresson, from Malle it's Black Moon (I loved Zazie almost as much, but Black Moon was more personal), from Bresson it's Diary of a Country Priest. Demy also deserves some love.
Benjamin James
I got a huge boner imagining the old man cuck the boyfriend.
Daniel Rodriguez
Is there any French actress who starred in more top tier films than Beart?
Aaron Barnes
Yes Anna Karina
Gavin Lee
Gabriel Hall
Parker Evans
She's been in some great films but nowhere near as many, IMO.
Christian Rogers
Is Up, Down, Fragile from Rivette worth watching?
Landon Diaz
I've heard it called his best.
Landon Evans
Brandon Foster
William Clark
Ethan Mitchell
Easton Gutierrez
Brandon Price
I really only watched this movie because Emmanuelle Beart is nude in it. When I was a kid I saw Manon of the Spring and it made the pp a PP. I've been obsessed with her ever since.
Robert Cox
Too bad she fucked up her face.
Brandon Wood
She looks pretty good for 55.
Benjamin King
massive asses: the movie
Jason Green
What's the name of this film?
Luke Brooks
THE WISEGUYS (1961)
Very playful film. A lark.
Jack Stewart
A Summer's Tale
It's solid Rohmer
Eli Sanders
How do you watch this movie without masterbating?
Nathan Anderson
You can take a masturbation break.
Jack Bennett
Can't stand Agnes. When you watch her movies you can basically see her showing off the fact she's a card carrying communist party member. I like cleo from 5 to 7 though.
Charles Reed
What are some actors that guarantee you're about to experience kino?
Alexander Wood
Vagabond is pretty good.
Nicholas Davis
Do you like Godard?
Cameron Collins
Bresson isn't FNW
Dylan Carter
Where to start with Bresson?
Michael Barnes
The beginning.
Tyler Ross
Pickpocket
Brody Powell
start with pickpocket then check out a man escaped or argent. then ur ready for au hasard balthasar
Xavier Richardson
my favorites, I don't care if they're too late to be considered fnw
Parker Johnson
Top middle, top right and middle left?
Nicholas Thompson
I Pierre rivière, du cote d’ourette, le bonheur
Gavin Ramirez
>I Pierre rivière, du cote d’ourette
Been interested in these two for a while. Thanks.
Nathan Morgan
Is that India Song?
Owen Rivera
hope you'll like them as much as I do
yes
Jack Evans
bump
Samuel Jones
I disliked India Song, are other films by Duras different?
Dominic Robinson
Eh, I'm a little lenient when it comes to the very exacts (as is apparent from my inclusion of Les bons débarras), he's also considered as one of the founding fathers of FNW so that's good enough for me.
Noah Price
should I watch more French movies? I've only seen one and it wasn't Amelie.
Levi Baker
Yes you should, there are many interesting French films and directors.
Eli Edwards
L'Argent
Samuel Roberts
masturbating*
fucking underage phoneposter
Hunter Wilson
It's only highly rated because it invented a whole new style of cinema. Similar to Pulp Fiction (not trolling; read a book). Both films are pretty bad when viewed from today's standards though. Contempt is Godard's masterpiece.
Anthony Robinson
>WILD GRASS
LOVE UNTO DEATH
MELO
PROVIDENCE
MY AMERICAN UNCLE
STAVISKY
>JE T'AIME, JE T'AIME (with LA JETEE)
THE WAR IS OVER
MURIEL
>LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD
>HIROSHIMA, MON AMOUR
Greens are must-watch. Rest are still good. Resnais wasn't that interesting in his later career.
Luke Gomez
why would I watch french movies? i'm not a girl. romance is for queers. more like nu-wave
Jack Thomas
Vagabond is the film I was thinking of explicitly when I said that, lmao
Only ever seen Breathless yeah I'm a pleb
Jackson Wilson
Looks like you fell for my master bait :^)
Brandon Ramirez
Well, might wanna skip his commie movies then.
Jayden Edwards
Not Léaud, that's for sure.
Jayden Powell
He was literally a kino machine.
Matthew Clark
He sucks and ruined some would-be great films. Also literally a turncoat who chose JLG over based Truffaut who everyone loved. 400 Blows is his only good performance.
Tyler Lewis
>MELO
>PROVIDENCE
>MY AMERICAN UNCLE
>THE WAR IS OVER
These are also must watches in my opinion. More so then Wild Grass. The aesthetic in his later movies is very boring and generic.
But I agree Hiroshima Mon Amour and Last Year at Marienbad are the definitive must watches for someone who hasn't seen anything by him.
Jonathan Parker
I only really put Wild Grass because it gives you a sense of how much he changed, and an older man's aesthetic sensibilities. It's still good I guess, not really for me though. Marienbad I could take or leave. I know it's important. Hiroshima I'll always uphold as one of the best films of all time. It's insanely good.
Henry Hall
He is great in The Mother and the Whore, Out 1, Irma Vep, Death of Louis XIV, Day for Night and he was good in smaller roles in Kaurismaki's films and it was nice to see him What Time is it There.
Julian Smith
Melville is super chill.
I know he's technically not FNW but since he was a major influence and directly helped some directors (he was the one who gave the jump cut idea for A boute de Suffle/Breathless), I consider him a honorable mention
John Evans
>Irma Vep
>Death of Louis XIV
These I'll give you, but he's doing very specific things in each. Irma Vep especially is a parody of himself and other FNW directors -- so it's easy. But his default persona in umteen Truffaut and Godard films is intolerable imo. He ruins Day for Night for me desu. Never understood the love for him outside of the iconography of his career, what he represents as a kind of talisman. He's barely a good actor.
Hudson Bell
I haven't seen his Godard films yet and in Truffaut films i have liked him so far. I especially liked him in The Mother and the Whore and Out 1, those are my favourites performances from him with Death of Louis XIV coming close second.
Bentley Clark
Was he right?
>“Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling whatsoever. But it’s great when the machine films other machines, as in 2001.”