This is how Avengers Endgames time travel works, now shut the fuck up you drooling neanderthal retards

How are you fucking manchildren actually arguing about goddamn Marvel movies about all things. In this fucking 7-post thread, you've already put more thought into this than the writers. kys holy shit.

there's no reason why time travel shouldn't create an alternate timeline

the movie implies that the Peggy we see in the original Cap movie marries the Cap from IW and so there are two Caps alive

Because im tired of seeing people bitch and whine and argue over it. Its not difficult to understand.

it's really fucking simple do I have to fucking draw it out for you fucks?

>there's no reason why time travel shouldn't create an alternate timeline
The fucking infinity stones dipshit, the Ancient One literally verbatim says they create the flow of time. they keep time in order.

>the stones control the flow of time so they can't be displaced
>thanos destroyed all of them
>this didn't destroy space-time or create infinite alternate branches

>even the reasoning for it is a loop
Whoa.

Explain this

He didn't destroy them dumb ass, he just made them very tiny. In fact, it was Wanda who destroyed one in the first movie, but luckily Thanos time reversed that shit before anything went wrong.

Clip the branches so the alternate timelines never happen? Like the alternate timeline where Thanos finds out about the plan & travels to the future to Earth & Stark dies?

Don't even bother trying to rationalise or even think about it, this isn't Primer

Except Primer or you can fight me.

Hell if i know.

it's simple enough there's just one direction all of time flows, just go through all events cronologically and it works

The point about thanos finding out the entire plan from nebula and then entering their present via time travel is essentially to negate the very implementation of time travel in terms of the self contained plot of this film.

for the franchise it doesn't matter at all

He wasnt in that timeline when it was erased, dipshit.

>Tony dies to an alternate reality split but that didn't actually happen so Tony is actually alive?
Wait what the fuck

O....kay... Now explain Loki fucking off with the space stone. Did time fracture, or did we all mass hallucinate Avengers 2012?

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They are basically dead in the MCU. This will be something they could bring up later down the road as a total asspull to save the day. Still curious about returning the soul stone.

>you've already put more thought into this than the writers. kys holy shit.
I've never agreed with a post here more in my life.

Inconsquential because it wasnt transported through time you fucking moron.

I don't know why people are hung up about this. Loki eventually goes off to do nothing anyways. He just sits on Asgard with the Tesseract until Thor and co come to blow it up.

Then what happens with Gamora 2.0? She just disapears?

All humans with the exception of indigenous cultures have some small amount of Neanderthal dna in them, so you think you're insulting people but really you're giving them a compliment

why would transporting the stones fracture the time flow if they still exist? they would only cause the branch if they don't exist but for them to not exist the branch must be created
cyclical bullshit

/pol/ pls go

Theory: the time stone being destroyed is what made time travel possible

I mean, Ant-Man 2 happened before Infinity War, which means that Janet either shouldn't have aged, or shouldn't have aged as rapidly, meaning that she also should have had the same revelations about time travel considering how long she was down there

Scott was down there for some time, but only a few days had passed since Thanos destroyed the stones, which means that it may have had some sort of ripple effect that kept Scott in a stasis until he was let out

So because the time stone was gone, time travel was possible--necessary in order to bring back the time stone into existence

So maybe time travel working really only works when the time stone is lost in a certain timeline as a failsafe to keep all of the gems intact
Which means that when the time stone was destroyed, it wasn't fully destroyed in the past, making it possible to bring it to the future

And honestly, how often do you guys think they are going to use time travel to stop any huge gigantic issues going forward?
Answer: Time travel stops working as easily when the stones are returned to their timeline because the timeline has been repaired
Meaning any thoughts about time travel probably stop existing because it's no longer possible

It only works if the time travel is the entire plot. You can't attach time travel to other plots.

He’s coming back when the MCU starts declining and Disney is willing to pay RDJ the ridiculous amount of money he wants. Then he’s gonna make his daughter the next Iron whatever.

Makes no sense and you know it you dumb faggot.

It doesnt explain how tony snapped a younger thanos than the one that was in infinity war out of existence. If thanos traveled to the future, and was killed, than he couldnt have been around for infinity war.

It’s in a movie with a talking raccoon. Time being channeled through someone makes more sense than that.

The 2014 Thanos is from another timeline.

Meaning there is one timeline where the snap is undone.

And another where the snap never happened.

even ignoring the plotholes, the Avengers are really shitty people and only care about themselves

>Because im tired of seeing people bitch and whine and argue over it. Its not difficult to understand
Fuck off manchild
This shit doesnt make any sense

no, they pop into existence the literal nanosecond after their old selves pop out with the stones

Quill will find her in Guardians 3.

Taking all the stones would create the split that the bald lady was talking about. That split is where the future avengers exist in. When they return the stones the all the branches are clipped and their universe will cease to exist

Fuck this movie is retarded

Also why not just get the time stone like just do what doctor strange did in his movie and replay everything fuck the more I think about it the more I hate this movie

that'd be enough to break the flow

thanos blew it up you idiot

>yfw they just do this to Cap and he's young again

Because they're removed from that point in time, splintering time.

No, the 2014 Thanos timeline never happened. It briefly existed when they stole the power and soul stones, and then ceased to exist when those were put back in place

that may be how time travel works in the marvel universe, but can you explain how disney can get away with this?

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How did they get away with this

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>one timeline
>what is a multi-verse

Christ man you know what the fuck that means dont get pedantic.

Which would be fine if Thanos didn't find out about it in 2014 and traveled into the future because of Nebula and never came back. He can return the stones and Mjolnir, he can't return Thanos. If it was a closed loop then everything that happened through time-travel in the Infinity War timeline already happened in the past, right? But that doesn't makse sense since Thanos disappearance in 2014 would have meant that Infinity War never happens.

That shit isnt a closed loop you moron. Those are invalidated timeline branches. Cap performs a causal loop.

What? I don't get it

Those aren't invalid timelines you fucking mong. The casual loop is Captain America bringing back the stones to the moment they were taken. However, Thanos finds out about future Nebula before the powerstone disappears.

The timelines that the stones were taken from were erased after he put them back and left. The causal loop is then Cap staying in the 40s and living life with Peggy

You're not making sense. If Thanos going into the future is an invalidated timeline then the entire battle in Endgame wouldn't happen in the first place since Captain America erases it. If he erases that timeline he can't come back as Old Cap right after the battle ended because there would be no battle in the timeline he created.

I kinda felt that fighting a 2014 thanos was a somehow not as awesome as fighting present thanos, thanos prime endgame fight would have felt more complete

Seeing those names on that stone reminds me of that tragedy

No you raging retard, the timeline Thanos is from was invalidated once the stones were put back, the stones control the flow of time, so the errant branch was erased.

I didn't watch the movie but time travel it the deux machina of the lazy, incompetent writer and anyone who defends it is a fucking retard, period.

Are you fucking stupid? If an invalidated timeline gets erased it means Thanos is incapable of ever showing up in the future because the causality that led to his time travel ceases to exist. It doesn't matter whether there are invalid timelines or alternate timelines, what we are talking about is the main timeline which doesn't get erased. If the stones control the flow of time Thanos can't ever travel into the future because his appearance would be erased.

>i didnt watch the movie but let me complain aboutt he movie

THERE IS NO CAUSALITY.

The stones are still destroyed in the current timeline, they returned the ones they took to the past timelines they came from

>even ignoring the plotholes, the Avengers are really shitty people and only care about themselves

Imagine caring about an infinite set of alternate universes

that doesnt make sense. in the original timeline thanos blows up the stones. shouldnt time have been shattered when he did that?

Cap cannot have caused a loop, since in an earlier film he discovers that Peggy had a different husband and kids, which now don't exist because Cap went back and lived with her instead. By that logic, everything else they did (Loki disappearing, Thanos and Gamorra no longer being in the timeline, Cap getting beat up, etc.) must have fucked/effected their timeline too--but it didn't because the writers are hacks.

I don't need to user, since they went for the most obvious result to fix the shit that they did, fucking time travel.
Don't you feel like everything in the last 10 years in the MCU was for nothing?

No because you're a fucking idiot and thats not what they did.

So cap literally aborted Peggy's kids?

There is. An invalid timeline can only be erased as long as that timeline is independent. Mind, Soul, Time, Reality, Space can safely be returned because their removal didn't cause an invalid timeline that directly causes them to be returned. However, the removal of the powestone creates the "Thanos goes into the future" timeline. Erasing it would mean that Thanos doesn't show up in the future which means that the return of the stones would play out differently. The timeline can't be invalidated because it's intertwined with the main timeline, erasing it would rewrite the main-timeline from the moment Thanos traveled into the future.

Tell me what they did instead of time travel shilly user

You're going to look like an idiot when the Loki series proves you wrong fag.

So the timeline flows in one river that goes in one right? Meaning anything that happens is pretty much set. Taking an infinity stone from the past creates a new stream flowing in another direction and returning it makes that stream flow right back into the river where the same events should occur.

But if Thanos is killed in a 2014 timeline that should still follow the current timeline since the stones were put back (even if in a different condition than they were taken in like being in gem form instead of liquid or in a scepter or cube). Then the stones should still exist somewhere shouldn't they? Since the snap couldn't have happened without Thanos being alive in this now nonbranched off timeline.

> Time Travel creates a new branch of reality
> Captain america travels back in time to the same reality in the end
inconsitency

They went back in time to collect the stones, but they didnt PREVENT anything, you fucking moron. They undid the snap in the present, 5 years after the snap.

The global economy is completely ruined, untold thousands are still assuredly dead, and multiple significant named characters are still dead.

>They went back in time to collect the stones
so they prevented Thanos from getting them in the first place?

Lang was down the quantum realm for 5 hours. Not a few days.

So that means there's only one Thanos, if he dies IW can't happen

They killed the one in the future not the one in the past idiot. Hulk snapped everyone back to life. He also knew about everything through Nebula.

EXCUSE me, did you just ASSUME my GENDER?!

Yeah I'm really confused so this must have created an alternate timeline if not then how would something from the past change affect the present? Do things disappear and reappear? I'm seriously thinking there's actual retards.

>you can fuck with everything EXCEPT the infinity stones
>Thanos created a soul stone with the death of Gamora
>the Avengers created their soul stone before that with the death of Black Widow
>so, there are 2 soul stones in this timeline
>Captain America should go back and put the soul stone back (?)
>Black Widow isn't back
How do you explain this?

Or Gamora should be alive since the soul stone took widow's life prior IW.
But some retards keep defending "muh time travel"

Exactly. This was explained 5 minutes into the movie. You guys are morons.

Just like the morons that say why did fucking spiderman go back to highschool five years later? Because he fucking died five years ago you dont fucking age in dust and thin air.

This is too confusing. You guys are making it worse.

No the stones dont create the universe either just manipulate.

Thanos wasnt killed in 2014. He came back from 2014 to the current timeline.

This doesn't explain how he returns these items in their original forms (Tesseract, Scepter, Aether, etc). He has the pure gems in the future when he returns, and the avengers don't deal with these until later on.

The 2014 timeline can't be deleted since it directly affects 2023 without also deleting parts of 2023 because they are intertwined. However, we know the 2014+2023 timeline doesn't get deleted. And even if it was possible to delete the 2014+2023 timeline it couldn't be done by Captain America since he's now part of the 2014+2023 timeline, he would erase his own ability to return the stones the moment he returns the power stone.

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Wow....did you not watch this movie fucking obviously.

Theres a difference between the infinity stones and the pym particles

As far as the 2014 timeline is concerned, he, his army and his children are gone. So the 2014 timeline which should follow the same path as the current timeline has been changed since Thanos has a very direct relation to the stones and what causes this current timeline.

So the current timeline can't exist, unless there are now two separate timelines, one which has intact stones or you go paradox and there are now somehow an intact set of stones in the same places as they were before.

There isnt 2 soul stones he destroyed all the stones within 5 minutes in the movie

No, dipshit. Temporally displacing an infinity stone creates a deviant splintered timeline, which can only be repaired by putting it back. You cant prevent him from getting the stones.

He was always her husband.

He doesnt have to.

The elements from 2014 leave 2014 and go into 2023, and thus arent deleted. Simple.

The 2014 versions were from a temporary alternate timeline that collapsed when Cap put the stone back at the end, but existed long enough for Thanos to transfer over.

>He doesnt have to.
How so? He's not returning the Tesseract he's returning the actual Space Stone. Which we didn't meet until 2018 when Thanos crushed it.

MCU Time Travel rules reminds me of Lost.

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They altered the timeline yes but in there present. Bringing back all infinity stones into the present makes everything come together this is what the ancient one explained. So that's where they move forward. 2014 Thanos was killed in the future but in the future where all the infinity were brought back from the past. Since all the stones are back there is no more branching timeline.

I didn't, i want you to explain simple stuff to me, but you can't.

The stones control the flow of time, so they just reverted to what they were supposed to be.

Simple stuff to a retard sure

>which can only be repaired by putting it back
Back where?

I explained it right here, retard:

> muh stones control timeline
Then Thanos should have at least stop time when he destroyed the stones.
Fucking hack writing

Can anyone explain this? This is absolutely true. So this must have branched off into another timeline then

I love when the fat nerds fill the gaps in the lazy script.

Back to the time when they were taken. Physical space or configuration doesnt matter, just that they're in the same time period they're supposed to be in.

No. That timeline, AGAIN, was splintered long enough for him and his army to crossover, but then ceased to exist after the Power and Soul stones were returned.

That timeline can't collapse back because Thanos is missing, without Thanos there, it can't follow the same path and events as the original timeline. No snap can happen. Unless putting the stones back also brought Thanos, his kids and his armies back, that timeline would result in a very different future than the present we see in Endgame.

>Since all the stones are back there is no more branching timeline.
Except the only way for that timeline to go back to normal to continue on the same path as the timeline in Endgame as all timelines are meant to, Thanos has to be alive to gather the stones and do the snap, except that thanos is not, so he can't, so the future has to be different for that timeline which must continue existing unless putting the stone back brings Thanos back as well in that timeline

The sad part is that you marvelcocksuckers won't acknowledge is that Dragon Ball have a better time travel system.

See Can't cease to exist cause Thanos is missing user. Where does that timeline find a Thanos to continue to the path of gathering the stones to do the snap

Bullshit. This is a gaping hole bigger than the one of Mia Khalifa's and nobody is addressing it rationally. HOW THE FUCK are THE TESSERACT, THE AETHER, THE SCEPTER and stuff reinstated into their timelines if they don't exist once Cap is going back once and for all?

It obviously fucking is different. Stark is out and Roger's is not Captain America.

>Bullshit. This is a gaping hole bigger than the one of Mia Khalifa's

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I still can't understand why anyone would defend time travel, it just cheapens all that happened before.

>The elements from 2014 leave 2014 and go into 2023, and thus arent deleted. Simple.

Which doesn't make sense since it violates causality laws.

Multiverses, alternate dimensions are all apart of comic book and has been for years and years now.

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>That timeline can't collapse back because Thanos is missing, without Thanos there, it can't follow the same path and events as the original timeline. No snap can happen. Unless putting the stones back also brought Thanos, his kids and his armies back, that timeline would result in a very different future than the present we see in Endgame
It collapses because the stones are returned. The stones are all that matter.

Because they control the flow of time, again. Them being back where they belong means once you leave that timeframe via quantum time travel, it just snaps back to how its supposed to be.

Causality doesnt apply because the Stones control time.

>Doesn't understand butterfly effect

user..

>The stones are all that matter.
So who gathers the stones and snaps their fingers user if Thanos is dead? That timeline cannot follow the same path as the main timeline if one of the most important things related to that timeline and the stones of that timeline is gone. Thanos took notice of the avengers time travel to that timeline user, so he left it and followed them. There's no Thanos left there and no Thanos at the time that Cap would return the stone to that wouldn't still make his way to the future timeline.

user the movie doesnt fucking run on the buttefly effect and they make that the fuck clear, shut the fuck up.

Time doesnt have to involve living or dead it is endless.

If one infinity stone goes missing theres a branch. Loki made a branch. Once the snap happens everything falls back into one timeline. Captain America brought back the stone but used a pym particle to stay in his time with peg

>Because they control the flow of time, again. Them being back where they belong means once you leave that timeframe via quantum time travel, it just snaps back to how its supposed to be.
Nice fan theory. You made that up today?

Thanos does, because the 2014 deviation timeline ceases to occur, it snaps back to how it originally was meant to be.

The Thanos that gets dusted is a, for lack of a better term, Time Duplicate, not the original.

Its not difficult to understand, big brain.

user they fucking state that in the movie, look at the OP picture, its verbatim quoted dialogue from the movie.

Removing the stones creates a deviant timeline, putting them back erases that deviant timeline, and you cant change the past. So therefore any changes snap back once you leave, thats how the movie works.

You fucking MCU drones gobble anything up even if the Russo brothers shit out a fucking log all of you retards will eat it up. Endgame has the most shittiest and inconsistent storytelling when it comes to time travel. Fucking stupid.

If it snapped back then Cap would literally cease to exist in order for the timeline to go back to prevent Thanos from having noticed in the first place that they time traveled which means they couldn't have ever gotten the stones.

>retard spergs out when you tell him the clearly defined mechanics of the story

user.

Theres no causality. No butterfly effect.

So out of thin air the stones revert to their container objects. Travelling through the quantum realm. That's the logic?

No, you idiot. The timeline snaps back to how it originally was before they intervened. Its as if they never went there to begin with.

time travel in movies never makes sense. it is just more convoluted in endgame than in most films that deal with it.

Yeah, I mean, isn't there a Thor who got his hammer swiped?

X-Men Days of Future Past did time travel a billion times better and was a better ensemble movie by far, you cannot argue with this.

haha I didn't even really care I just wanted the dork defense squad to freak
>acksually!!! It does work!!!

Yes there is effect. What does the timeline snapping back entail user? If it's to prevent deviations, then there was never a 2014 Thanos that went into the future, only way for that is if the stone was never disturbed but even if you time traveled to grab it then time traveled to return it, if someone took notice (which Thanos did) then a change was made and clearly both of your presences (past time traeling self and current) being there says there was. unless time was reverted to before any of this shit happened and no time travel was ever done.

So if Cap put it back, universe and time has to reset to before either party time traveled which kills Cap

Where does cap return the stones, thus fixing every timeline then? By that logic it wouldn't matter at what point in time or space he does it as long as it is before the time heist. These things are not random omnipotent beings or something, these were at exact points and in an exact form. You are doing some pretty lame explanation to fill the gap, but I can't blame you. This isn't your script.

Thor taking his hammer from the past meant that the past Thor didn't have a hammer anymore?

What the fuck happens to past Thor then. Hes just a guy with no hammer?

Causality does apply or time travel wouldn't be possible in the first place since the stone can't be removed from its timeline if everything that happens in that timeline is controlled by the time-stone. Clearly one time-stone is capable of affecting things that happen in the timeline of another time-stone which means the removal of the 2014 "Thanos goes into the future" timeline would delete him from the 2023 timeline.

It also undermines the reason why Thanos does the snap in the first place. If you can use time-travel to bring resources from an alternate timeline into the future and then erase that timeline while still benefiting from those resources it means you have infinite resources. You can just keep traveling back in time, generate an alternate timeline and bring as much resources as you want into the future. If time-travel in endgame works the way you suggest it does then you can spawn infinite resoureces out of nothing.

he can always get one built like (our) Thor did in Infinity war

When Cap went back to return the Infinity Stones to each place he also returned the hammer

imagine the shitstorm of wills and whatnot. They said the governments collapsed but it seemed pretty ok for the most part, mainly the street cleaners and garbage collectors just never got replaced. Someone had to take census of all the missing and creating and place those monuments so the govt obviously had no lasting problems.

>70% of the catalog is about Endgame
>almost all of them are meta garbage about the fans or reactions or actors
based

Mjolnir was forged you fruitcake

>Changing the past does not change the future
>If you travel to the past, that past becomes your
>future, and your former present becomes the
>past which can now be changed by your new
>future.
I am so lost.

Was she a relevant person? Or are you just havin a giggle?

Time travel is bullshit since it is impossible to do, or at least nobody knows right now how to do it. Movies do the best they can, but Endgame won't be a prime example of time travelling. Too many bullshit.

When you time travel you make a new timeline and ride that along as you stay there. Nothing from your source timeline is changed.
Dragon Ball Z did this version of time travel much better.

Just got done watching the camrip, there were some really dumb moments and they could have trimmed a good 15-20 minutes from various places but overall it was more good than bad...

EXCEPT CAP STAYING IN THE PAST MAKES NO SENSE

And there are other timelines that got fucked over because one timeline wanted to reverse the snap

Then how did Thanos and his army return?

They used a fucking pym particle

Did you not watch the movie

???

I said RETURN. Thanos and his army were killed in 2023. Captain America can return all the stones and Mjolnir to its original timeline. But Thanos can't be returned since he's fucking dead.

Meant to quote

Could 2014 Nebula warn 2013 Thanos?

Again, ???

1. "How is Mjolnir not gone in the past?"
2. "Oh because it was returned to its original timeline"
3. "How is Thanos not gone in the past?"
4. "Because he was returned to his original time... oh wait"

Do you realize the error in logic? Thanos disappearing in 2014 can't be fixed by Captain America by returning Thanos.

>3. "How is Thanos not gone in the past?"
He is

Stop trying to get rational responses from these fanboys. The movie has its highlights but it is flawed to the core. Wait until the hype goes down.

But he isn't. Old Cap who fixed the time-line shows up in Endgame. If Thanos was gone in Captain America's timeline then Infinity War and Endgame wouldn't have happened.

>2014 nebula
that hoe ded bruh

This why Nebula can kill herself and not disappear? So the key to this is what Banner says. Thanks dude

they didn't actually need to return mjolnir since it was taken after the aether. The movie just did it to show you it was going away.

That was Thanos from the past you fucking fool like Jesus Christ. Do you not know why they attempted the time heist?

Also, all the movie references they gave in regards to time travel are all bullshit so they explain

Are you retarded? I know it was Thanos from the past. The whole point of Captain America returning the stones and Mjolnir to the past was to not disturb past timelines so they avoid creating alternate timelines. However, the one timeline they can't fix is the one where Thanos disappears in 2014 since that version of Thanos dies in the future

Why do they even care about returning some of these stones anyway if in they know they're pretty much used for nothing anyway except the snap?

Time stone okay since Strange and Ancient One need it for Dormammu, and maybe Mind Stone if they want to let other timelines develop Vision but no one's using the Soul Stone for anything, Reality stone just gets put in the Collector's collection, Power stone locked up on Xandar after Ronan fails to kill everyone, Space stone kept as a trophy in Odin's Vault.

They could keep the stones somewhere only the Avengers know about it in case anything apocalyptic happens again but not have so many that someone can ever snap everything to hell again.

Tony explained that. Bruce was making a mistake, he didn't make Scott flow through time, he made time flow through Scott, that's why he was aging or de-aging

to restore the timelines. They cant change their future. Hiding the soul stone won't prevent the future from happening. Returning it to restore the timelines is preferred than fucking with reality.

Why leave a stone in a now split timeline when you could use it yourself in the future in the main timeline. There's no downside besides creating a timeline where Thanos can't gather all of them.

imbalancing realities is generally bad and fucks over other realities.

>"I used the stones to destroy the stones."

Paying attention will do you wonders.

>implying
Imagine altThanos' shock when he gets to Vormir and finds no one there cause Red Skull is free of his burden. He searches the rest of his life for it and never finds it.

Imagine another altThanos, has no power stone and has to destroy and take shit the hard way. Ronan stays cucked cause no bargaining chip for Thanos' aid and no weapon to take care of it himself. Guardians never form but who cares

Another who has to travel via spaceship to get to each stone. New York never gets attacked

Another who doesn't even go for the stones because two of them still haven't surfaced

Cap smiles from the prime timeline thinking to himself, it was me, the author of all your pain.

Why are there so many people in this thread saying "no b-but X *has* to happen"
X doesn't have to happen
The answer to every supposed inconsistencies is "infinity gems made it happen"
All timelines collapse into one. the end.

Why would I imagine realities Ill never be in though?

You fucking presumptuous retard that's not what they did

Back in your mother's pussy

BACK WHERE THEY WERE YOU FUCKING RETARDED NIGGER