A visual representation of the plot hole left by Avengers:Endgame

Oh, you've no idea.
He didn't invent a new element. He recreated on according to his dad's specifications.
He was working out of the notes his dad took of the Tesseract, you can see it in the movie.
Tony literally built a miniature replica of the Space Stone.

Nothing suggests that someone worthy is needed to wield Stormbreaker, only Mjollnir seems to have that limitation.

Yeah, that was what I was going for.
Though then I'm not sure exactly what one needs to do in order for weapons to fly into their hands on command.
Comic book movies are clusterfucks.

Cancerverse when?

>Cap is supposed to return the Soul Stone to Vormir where Red Skull is
fuck my shit up senpai

Yeah i'm rewatching it right now, it's literally bullshit. They also sell it to the viewer in the movie as the next power gap in human technology and energy management but we don't see human civilization advancing after IM2.
Tony has been "science guy god" since the very beginning but they took it to godly levels of physics manipulation, it's ridiculous. And how convenient for Howard to record videos of himself cluing future Tony on how to not die in IM2 and create a new power source.
Also, any writer that has to resort to time travel is weak and kills the dramatic tension of anything he can think of.

To be perfectly fair though (and even though I have my own grievances with some of Endgame's bullshittery), the idea of Captain America being worthy of lifting Mjollnir is not new and has been suggested strongly in Age of Ultron, so if there was one character other than Thor being able to wield it, it had to be him.
This, I guess, was also made to flatter the American audience .

>To be perfectly fair though (and even though I have my own grievances with some of Endgame's bullshittery), the idea of Captain America being worthy of lifting Mjollnir is not new and has been suggested strongly in Age of Ultron, so if there was one character other than Thor being able to wield it, it had to be him.
>This, I guess, was also made to flatter the American audience .
Yeah I've no issue with Captain America wielding the hammer, I was more pointing out that while Stormbreaker is never stated to need you be worthy of it to wield it, I have no idea what explains that Captain America who never held it before could call it to hand in a brief scene.
Like since Thanos can also move Stormbreaker, we could assume you don't need to be worthy of it, but then can literally anyone just hold up their hand and have Stormbreaker fly to them?

I think - but I'll admit I'm jumping to conclusions here - that by being worthy of Mjolnnir, Cap' therefore "possess the power of Thor" : which explains how we see him being able to call Stormbreaker & Mjollnir to hand (both weapon answer to Thor's calling that way) and how Cap wields lightning at some point.

Was I the only one to think it was an absolute dick move out of Dude Thor to just fucking rob Mjollnir from The Dark World Thor right the bloody day his mom would be murdered ?
Like dude, that movie was thrash, but past you needs this toy to kill some edgy elf and avenge his mom, bro.

Every time someone gets every infinity stone they get a powerup that courses through them. How could Thanos not know that his glove had zero stones in it?

>Ant-Man's daughter is all grown up
>Spider-Man's friends are still in high school

Can anyone explain if 2nd thanos is actually dead or did steve going back to place the stones cause him to still be alive in the other time?

Actually yeah that was pretty fucked up.
>inb4 Guardians of the Galaxy 3 involves Thor fighting young Thor from the other timeline who came to kick his ass for taking his hammer, because even though Cap brought back all the Infinity stones in that alternate timeline, the hammer was still gone, so the Elves succeeded and the entire universe got turned into the Dark World, all because Thor wanted to check if he's still worthy
Though yeah the first part might be in with Cap being Thor as far as the hammers are concerned.

Only people who didn't get snapped aged.
Which means Spidey lucked out by having literally all his friends die to the snap.
Miss Fortune is one sadistic slut.

I don't know anything about MCU and idgaf but how many years pass between end of infinity war and end of endgame?

five years plus the time it took to create a time machine

>Ant-man goes to fix the van
>half a minute later, Ant-man is giant and destroying ships
LITERALLY UNWATCHABLE

Five years? And they build a time machine? Damn that's dense. I wonder why didn't they milk it more. They could have easily split endgame in 2, maybe 3, movies.

The movie says he's dead. However with Time travel rules they set in the movie, he would be alive. Time travel was a huge mistake plot wise, but convenient and cheap for writers. Worst thing is, that way nobody's dead anymore.

I assume it goes by the same logic as the stones. Put it back at the same time you took it then it’s like it never went missing.
Found it odd how he just went back to school and everyone is just coming in just chatting about the big game or something.

>2nd thanos
Lmao, wth, wtf are you watching??

So after the *snap* it's business as usual? Well, Thanos wasn't so bad after all.

Well it does create one gaping plot hole, which is why I asked OP which of the numerous plot holes he thought he was showing.
Also I fucking hope they're done for the time travel bullshit, it's really a terrible way to retcon your story and it kills the tension in anything.
>I assume it goes by the same logic as the stones. Put it back at the same time you took it then it’s like it never went missing.
Only we never see him put it back in time.

Other plot holes that bothered me :

That one.
> Valkyrie suddenly worthy of leading Asgard
How in the fuck ? We met her character as a drunken runaway one movie ago ? Why spend THREE FUCKING MOVIES on selling us Thor's "coming of age" story just to have him toss it aside like this ? Why nullify Ragnarok this hard ?
> The Ancient One knowing Strange will become Sorcerer Supreme
Then why being so reluctant when he came to her seeking help when she knew she'd teach him anyway ?
> Professor Hulk being a thing
And I'm just meant to accept it as face value ? That's note one, but two movies in a row that Hulk has been turned to a near useless joke now.

>Also I fucking hope they're done for the time travel bullshit
Aside from old Cap showing up at the end which completely and utterly fucks the entire premise of the time travel they introduce and turns it into garbage, the movie actually tries to make it seems like there is no actual time travel.
They aren't actually going back to the past, they're just doing the multiverse thing with the one crucial exception that the parallel universes they're visiting are displaced in time, meaning when they jump from Universe A to Universe B, Universe B is lagging behind by 5 years.
That's basically how they can whatever the fuck they want and not actually change their present, because they are leaving their own universe untouched, only calling it time travel for the sake of name dropping movies that people like.
That's also why the bald sorceror supreme or whatever she was talks to Banner about how if she gives up her time stone, their universe is going to get consumed by the dark, because it's a completely separate universe.

If they get their heads out of the gutter with the old cap bullshit and the baby Ant-Man nonsense that even with time travel doesn't make any sense, this "it's actually multiverse travel" thing could be interesting, because they just threw anywhere between 3 to 4 universes completely out of whack historically.
Case in point:
In the universe where Tony hugged another Tony's dad, the Space Stone might be put under heavier guard, so no Captain Marvel, Earth might get wiped out by the Skrull/Kree war as they try to get it.
In the universe where Thor meets his mom again, as I said, he takes Mjollnir, so that universe's Thor might fail to save the universe from being turned dark.
In the New York battle universe Loki made it off with the Space Stone, so god knows what bullshit that might cause.
And in the universe where Nebula got captured, Thanos no longer exists because that Thanos came to the main universe and got snapped.

People could be pissed.

I guessing they all got conveniently dusted so they wouldn’t have to worry about the five-year time skip in Far from Home

>Only we never see him put it back in time.
Obviously, did you want the movie to waste more of your time by showing you him putting back all the shit? Banner explains this on the sanctum.

>You know all those time travel movies? This isn't like that at all, guise! Trust me!
>[scene transition]
>I DISCOVERED THING WITH NO BUILDUP
>[scene transition]
>I DISCOVERED OTHER THING WITH NO BUILDUP
>[scene transition]
>I DISCOVERED THE FINAL THING WITH NO BUILDUP
>[scene transition]
>WOOT WE ARE TIME TRAVELING NOW
Is Bill and Ted 3 out yet?

He just had to adjust the eigenvectors man. Key to time travel

The second part of your post is ok, that's what happened, however it is not like Old Cap part was irrelevant, they MEANT to do that...So, could you tell me how it works? According to what they said/showed in the movie. Because, to me, the fact you-can't-change-past rule they set kinda goes against everything writers did with Cap (bringing the stones back and bench scene). And I can't believe they're THAT stupid.

Solid reasoning, thank you.
So yeah, Old Cap defeats the whole premise that "it's uni-impacting time travel".

Get a life. It's just a movie for kids. Enjoy it.

>Worst thing is, that way nobody's dead anymore.
>not knowing that a long sequence of capeshit movies would end with the reset button.

They are, they set up their own rules then immediately break them multiple times, its a fucking mess and leaves gaping holes everywhere

>It's just a movie for kids. Enjoy it.
This is how manbabies really think.

alright lads

HONEST FAIR SCORES

-some really cool shit
-some intriguing interesting story
-poor use of time
-some big mistakes
-questionable continuity

I think the fair range is a 68% to 80%
I unfortunately am leaning more 75ish

The thing is, why should they give a shit about the other timelines they impact? They literally now have infinite power

Basically, I think they did one of two things with old cap.
1) They threw logic out the window for a feel good ending, because who cares. They already did it once with Ant-Man reverting into a baby which no model of time travel can explain.
2) The implication is that it isn't actually their Cap. If there is an infinite number of parallel universes, then the events of the movies as we have seen them so far, have played out in an infinite number of them. Not in all of them, but in an infinite number. Every universe that is identical to the one we've seen, then travelled back to parallel universes, universes that due to them interfering are not among the identical ones, and took their stones and did the other stuff we see in Endgame.
Finally, as the last act of time travel, Cap goes further back than he needed to, therefore going to a universe that wasn't actually visited by them while they were gathering the gems, and this universe he travels to, where he settles down with Carter, is a universe that is identical to his own.
Basically imagine that universes are lined up on a paper parallel to eachother as lines.

Every 5th line is identical, and we bolden up every 5th line to consider that one either the "main universe" or one identical to it.
In the movie we start on one of these lines, then we visit 4 left of it as we go further back in time.
Then we come back to the original line with the stones.
Then Cap revisits the other lines, leaves the stones there, and finally goes back in time one more time to the 5th line from the one he started from, which is identical to his own just is way further back, and lives the rest of his life there.

Since again, there is an infinite number of these bold lines, there is a universe identical to the main one we saw in the opposite direction aswell, which's cap ended up in this universe's past, and he simply kept a ridiculously low profile, probably under top secret or some shit.

But they don't.
They returned the stones.
Their universe is the only one without Infinity Stones now.

No rule. Only that lesser creatures then Thor wouldn't be able to hold Stormbreaker without their bodies exploding since it was so powerful.

You can't "invent" an element. Elements are pre-defined and predictable.

Because they're elements.

That's what makes them elements.

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Accurate.

And they can now jump to any point in time and do whatever they want(stealing stones) with no repercussions to their own timeline. It breaks the entire setting

You can overcome science if you train your pecs in the Himalayas hard enough.

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These scores make no sense. I guess fan service works.

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>with no repercussions to their own timeline
That's literally the entire point of what I said.
They're going to another universe, they fuck it up.
It stands to reason some of those universes will not be happy about some jackoffs destroying their entire existence to solve their own problems.
Why do you think those universes couldn't visit the main universe in the future just as easily as the main universe can visit them in the past?

Well, the only way in order to work (him being on the bench) is it's not the "original", but one identical where he laid low and let the other Cap did the job.

But we KNOW that the old cap at the end isnt from the future because of the events of the first 20 avengers movies. Literally the only 2 ways for him to be there at the end are:
1. They break their own rules and the entire movie and have a time paradox where him going back affects the present

2. He goes back, lives out his comfy life till hes old then returns to the present

>Hi! I built a functioning arc reactor and a suit of powered armor in a cave with a box of scraps!
>But when it comes to fixing a spaceship with the help of a super-advanced cyborg already familiar with the tech, literally *encased* in nanotech and surrounded with alien devices just *begging* to be dismantled, tinkered with, and repurposed into replacement parts? Nah. Better just wait for Captain Plug-In to show up and save us.

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Yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to describe there.

It's impossible for Cap and Tony to return to main timeline after their screwup, with Loki disappearing with the Tesseract. For them the main timeline would not exist.

ok, but I don't think that's what writers were trying to do there...

Pandering is a good thing in this timeline.

Because if they are visiting those universes in the past they havent invented time travel yet

But that also begs the question of why THEIR universe has not had time travellers from the future come back to them

Honestly the more you think about it and question it the worse it gets. Its a turn your brain off movie.

Doesnt work like that, their timeline still exists because their actions in the past dont affect the future, they just create divergent timelines

>In the universe where Thor meets his mom again, as I said, he takes Mjollnir, so that universe's Thor might fail to save the universe from being turned dark.
the universe cap returns to and leaves a hammer might be a different one entirely and now they have two hammers

I mean it's contrived as fuck, but I can't think of any reason in particular why it would be impossible for Captain America to place himself under some sort of mega ultra maximum over intelligence lockdown where SHIELD is keeping it secret from even itself that Captain America came back from the future.

That's why I included option 1 which is them smearing shit on the wall and hoping it looks good giggling as they go.

It would be possible.
>go 3 lines to the left
>realize you fucked up
>go 1 more line to the left
>get the stone
>go 4 lines to the right
Presto you're home.

Past Thanos' universe hasn't invented Time Travel yet either.
It also took Tony Stark like 1 day to figure out Time Travel once the idea was put in his head that it might be possible.
In the New York timeline, Captain America just got beat up by Captain America. Might give Tony or Mr. Fantastic who probably is part of the canon now or some other Scientist Supreme reason to put in the work.

if they've invented time travel then where is skynet?

75 myself, good and bad.

Can someone answer me why the fuck they couldn't save vision, save gamora in retrospect (didn't they already?), I guess save natty - but who cares.

And isn't it assumed that the past effects the present so technically shouldn't most of them be on different paths or never met. (like the guardians only meeting because they were all chasing the power gem)

I mean technically shouldn't thanos have never gotten the stones in the first place and never done the snap

By the movies own rules, cap cant affect the future of any timeline he goes to by changing its past, if anything him going back to the timeles they changed would just create ANOTHER divergent timeline where the hammer is taken but returned.

Its completely fucked

83 for me. if they didn't turn on the waterworks so much and if they had trimmed it down by at least 40 minutes I might be able to rate it higher but that's the absolute highest it can possibly be at this point.

Zemo was Skynet, but he got blown up in Winter Soldier.

80.
my biggest issue is they literally sacrificed Thor and the Hulk for comedic relief.
That shit would have worked great is it was only 20 mins or, not the whole fucking movie.

Also why didn't they resurrect everyone half way through the movie or atleast have the battle be double the time

how did Tony even get them?

The most frustrating aspect is that the Ancient One explains the time travel stakes, then the writers break their own rules they just invented. At least be consistent.

+ final fight was pretty cool
+ a couple of good jokes here and there
+ thanos is still a pretty decent villain
- mandatory pop culture references
- captain marvel somehow even worse than in her own movie
- useless characters are still useless at least they managed to kill off widow
- plotholes

about 70ish. Previous one was better.

>Hi! I’m a cosmic-level powerhouse so powerful that I can core out capital ships and reduce them to shrapnel just by flying through them and can face-tank a guy who can simultaneously beat the shit out of Thor, Iron Man, and the fucking Hulk!
>I found Tony and Nebula just in the nick of time, just floating there in the vastness of space and slowly running out of oxygen. Lucky!
>But in spite of sharing the galaxy with Thanos for twenty years, I’ve never once run across him, his fuckhuge ship, or his army of genocidal worshipers.
>I’ve been too busy protecting other planets.
>From Everything but Thanos, his fuckhuge ship, and his army of genocidal worshipers.
>Wew, talk about unlucky!

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He was grabbing the gauntlet.
Also it was literally his own nano tech gauntlet, so it probably uplinked with his suit or some shit and slid the gems into his hand.

don't worry they can do the thing all time travel movies do and simply hand wave it all away. who says all of it wasn't meant to happen and all of the timelines/universes were already a thing. the ancient one was able to "know" all of this shit is supposed to happen with strange except he wasn't supposed to do it in her universe. just add all of the universes up and then use any extra number of steps to fill in gaps like any other time travel show does and it will work out fine. time travel makes no logical sense in reality so it is impossible to write a time travel story without creating at least one logical fallacy, otherwise we'd be able to do it in reality

He had some mechanism that shofted the stones from the gauntlet to his hand. Why he didnt have a self destruct in the gauntlet I have no idea

well aren't they going off the theory that
time is 1 line, and if you return things to where they were it should go back to normal?

but cap would have the dangerous mission of placing all the gems back in the exact places they were taken from

is it as simple as this?

she tried to go kill thanos in the beginning and they told her no they had to do it as a team don't blame marvel for that

did the movie say that? I must have missed it

I like this one.

End game did a Great job limiting captain marvels face time, getting jawed by thanos, and not having her save the day THANK GOD.

the only down side was her blowing the ship up.. and all things considered Could have been a lot worse.

Everything after Plutonium on the periodic table was "invented", so yeah, you can.

>time is 1 line, and if you return things to where they were it should go back to normal?
It's not very well emphasised, but no.
Remember when the sorceress supreme tells Banner why she can't give him the stone?
She says that Banner's universe would be fine, but her universe would spiral out of control, which clearly states there are multiple universes and they exist independent of eachother.

No, because if they were going off that theory then the “main” timeline would have been destroyed multiple times over the course of the movie due to the events of the past being able to affect the future

If cap cant put the stones back and “fix” those timelines, then everything done in the past should affect the future.

Instead the writers randomly apply/unapply when and how this works, its a complete mess

True, but I mostly meant how she looks like a dyke now.
She was just boring before, now she's boring AND looks ugly.

Jesus christ. The Godfather is an 80.

No, you’re supposed to infer he used some sort of sleight of hand. Think about how the stones would have moved based on contact alone and thats the rational option.

>Hi! I am an incredibly ancient, quasi-immortal sorceress and the present-focus holder of the title of Sorceress Supreme, multiversal guardian of Reality for this nodal branch. I have already forgotten more about the vagaries of temporal displacement and cross-dimensional transmigration than you are ever going to know!
>But sure, I’ll gladly surrender this Stone that allows one complete mastery of time and allow you to “borrow” it from my reality on a simple promise of its eventual return, this in spite of the absolute fact that unless you just opted to have your other, even further temporally-displaced self or some other traveler hiding out of sight with the self-same Stone, ready to return it instantly, I will never see it again, because such is the nature of branching timelines and the Law of the Conservation of Causality as decreed by the Living Tribunal himself.
>Guess that’s just one of those things I already forgot.

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I went to an anime movie screening and I thought the people there were autistic as fuck for ooh-ing every time big bad showed up, but that got blown out the fucking water yesterday when people started cheering for captain marvel of all heroes.

No guys
I think the entire point of the Banner Ancient one argument was..

She said if it doesn't go right you can create a branch in reality and now you got 2 fucked up realties.
and Bruce said, what if we bring the stones back to exactly where we took them, and the past would be none the wiser...

I believe the movie is saying its all 1 time line.
and the past effects the future.. which is why you cant really save black widow.

It very clearly isn't.
1) Watch the scene again, just use the leaked footage if you want, audio's probably good enough to make out how she specifically says that Banner's universe would be unaffected.
2) Loki escaped with the Space Stone, and yet that had no re precautions to the timeline.
It is extremely clear that it isn't one timeline.

Read the autistially in-depth explanation here

Yeah, im pretty sure you guys are wrong.
if Banners universe would be unaffected what would be the point - I think you guys misheard it. She illustrated a rogue timeline, and was taken aback when he suggested putting the stone back to where he got it.

and Loki escaped with the space stone and Cap and Iron man were like - Fuck it lets go back further.

I didn't like the godfather all that much desu

Imagine being this retarded.
It very clearly is.
It could be argued old cap was thrown in to intentionally cement this.
They litterally address this in the movie. It has to be the same time line to make sure it always happens the same way.
It's the same timeline. There isnt an argument that is valid for it being multiple timelines.

>if Banners universe would be unaffected what would be the point
Narratively, the point would be to give a reason for Cap to go back in time and write him out of the series by having him stay in the past.
In-universe, the point would be that Banner and the rest of the Avengers don't want to save their universe at the cost of dooming others.

Could you please tell me your posts after this one?

Yer a faggot.

Imagine being so retarded that there is literally a post linked for you to read about how can can go back to the past and still show up in the present without it being just one timeline, and you still fail to grasp it.

>They already did it once with Ant-Man reverting into a baby which no model of time travel can explain.
Not in the one I've been autistically creating in my mind.

>wants to control the population of the universe
>destroys all the stones after only doing it once
>50 years later everything is back to normal and the problem still exists
Plot hole or thanos is retarded.

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sorry I don't romanticize the mafia much

Tell your mom to keep dinner warm for me.

>Red Skull
wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who convinced him to live normal

He's merciful, he wanted them to learn and trusted that the creatures of the universe would understand, after past him sees that they are stubborn he comes up with a better plan, but doesn't get to execute it.

Yeah 75 is fine. Infinity war was better. I'd rank the original avengers, IW, endgame, and then ultron.
Thor and quill was funnier than fat Thor and racoon. The movie has like 5 endings. They beat return of the king.

You mean like posts I made in the thread?
Might forget one, but I just posted
and then called myself an autist in Probably accurate, I mean what sort of faggot self (You)s?

Working title

he had already decided to do that bucky was saying goodbye

50 years later the population would have just grown again. There would be no "balance" and everyone would run out of resources.

you think OG avengers was better than IW?
interesting.

IW>A1>EndGame>Ultron

and yes Thor and Hulk were wasted.

Why does everyone hate Ultron so?

Agree on all points. What they did to Thor, Asgard, Cap, all that time travel shit just drops the movie into the garbage tier, I don’t care how much it makes. You know its shit when Black Widow and Hawkeye have the best story arc.

Well it wasn't that great for one.
Though it's probably also to do with how no one seems to be able to keep track of what happened in that movie, including the writers of the MCU.
In Infinity War Banner gets called out for doing a shit job when creating Vision and he just goes with it, where not only did neither Banner nor Tony have anything to do with creating Vision, Ultron himself was only their fault in that they plugged the Mind Stone into a USB port and didn't unplug it when Tony discovered that there is a fully fledged AI inside it.

Of only Thanos had spared MJ so she would have fucked off by then, she’s the worst Marvel character, tied with Valkyrie.

>a visual representation of brie larson's charisma as captain marvel

You’re here talking about it though Dad.

Nobody's ever really gone...

Stormbreaker can be held by anyone. It doesn’t have the Odin enchantment like the hammer

50% for me.
- Thor is turned into a joke and just regresses
- Hulk is a cocky joke
- Woke Asgard + Valkyrie is just dire, worst idea in Marvel
- Peggy Carter
- depressing old man Cap
- shitty time travel
- Bucky reduced to background figure again
- feminist scenes inserted unnecessarily
- Captain Marvel being an awkward Mary Sue
- Tony using the gauntlet instead of literal gods and OP beings like Marvel instead of retiring with grace
- at times felt like a nostalgia wank fest and vehicle to set up their TV shows

The Age of Ultron script says something like “Cap tries to life Mjollnir and it looks like it will move but he’s unsuccessful or wasn’t he” it alludes to Cap knowing he could lift it but didn’t

there is no rule of worthiness attached to stormbreaker dumbass

Captain Plug-In! Kek

That doesnt make it good

I completely just forgot but why did Cap go back in time at the end? I feel retarded that I forgot why

It’s better than Endgame

If they don't take the infinity stones back to the past, the universes they took it from will unravel because apparently without the infinity stones the universe is doomed to collapse. (I guess because Thanos just atomized them at the start it doesn't count? Or maybe it was part of his snap. Dealer's choice)
So, because they don't want to fuck over other timelines just to save their own, Cap took the infinity stones back to where they belonged and then instead of going home went further back into the past to live with the love of his life.

That’s still dumb as hell. To understand why, think about how much time passes between them leaving and arriving back in their present, and then returning what they “borrowed.” Thinking about it now? Know how much it is?

All of it. The answer is all of it.

The instant they arrive, the divergence has already begun. The instant they leave, their “major change” has already happened, and it just keeps on happening, creating a brand new family of realities each with their own branching possibilities. You can’t just “hurry back,” because that reality doesn’t go on “pause” when you leave. Time marches on for it, and every bit of it is along a timeline divergent from your own.

This is a fantastically dumb, short-sighted cop-out, and absolutely no one should be defending it.

How the fuck did he return the stones that were in space

Uh, wait hold on, let me recap.
Time Stone went back to New York.
So did the Mind Stone.
Space Stone went to 1970 or whenever, where Tony hugged his dad.
Soul Stone went to Red Skull's planet tfw massive missed opportunity to have a mid-credits scene of Captain America returning the Soul Stone and decking Red Skull in the jaw one last time for old time's sake
Power Stone went to that other weird planet where Quill was.
And Reality Stone went to Asgard.
In fact I'm not even sure he needed to put them back to where they were supposed to be, just when.

What stone was in space?

I meant the stones outside of Earth.
Does Cap know how to fly a ship?

Oh like that.
Didn't they teleport to wherever the stones were once they used the suits?
I think the quantum realm fuckery just takes him wherever he wants to go.

Dude shut the fuck up just think of old cap, how cool is that? He's passing the shield! Look at him dance all happy!

>drunken runaway

And a literal slaver, rounding up “volunteers” for the Grandmaster’s gladiatorial deathmatches. Seriously, fuck this movie and fuck the people responsible for it.

but if he used the machine to return wouldnt he have appearer in front of them instead of on the bench

Mrs. Obama get down!!!

Nah, Cap took the hammer back with him.

55% from me;
The good
>Cap with Hammer (foreshadowed)
>Peggy Carter
>Cap going back to live in a time with a good economy and no social justice, while nailing Peggy Carter
>Time Travel
>Smart Hulk

The bad:
>convoluted pacing
>Thanos is evil without question
>Yaas queen slay
>The Final Battle
>Captain Marvel being there at all
>No time travel army gathered to fight Thanos
>PC culture too obvious

Infinity war was so much better, hands down

And what did Cap do with that time's original Cap?
Lock him up somewhere and then before freezing? What about when he woke up?

Don't you dare compare this capeshit to Bill & Ted

There is one thing that would make the time travel work like they want it to, but it’s damn well beyond what the fuckheads who wrote this were thinking of. It is, for lack of a better phrase, “absolute time.”

Think of time being like a river, and each separate divergent timeline being like a branch off of it. Now imagine “absolute time” as the water that fills it. It flows at a set rate, irrespective of relativistic considerations, meaning that its future, though still our past, does not yet exist. It is slowly(relatively speaking) coalescing as more absolute time passes, carrying it further from the main timeline. If you can find your way back “upstream” in your own timeline, access this “branch,” and “course correct” it in some arbitrary amount of elapsed absolute time, it will rejoin your timeline, resulting in weird shit like double memories, deja vu, and Mandela Effect, but your best bet is to keep your tunnel open until you’ve accomplished whatever you’re trying to accomplish.

Among the problems with this in regards to what we see in the movie would be that it wouldn’t be possible for someone in that divergent past to reach the “present” from which it originally diverged. You would also need to keep your “time tunnel” open in order to return to your own time, and for added coolness, your “tunnel” should become increasingly unstable the further the timestream diverges, meaning that unless you intend to stay, you’re on the absolute clock, because it becomes increasingly difficult to keep your tunnel open as it bridges the separating realities.

And looky there - we just accomplished what these hacks absolutely failed to - thought our way through a scenario where their garbage makes at least some degree of sense. Now where’s our fucking check?

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Think of it like this, the timelines they visit are physically other realities with actual locations. When they "time travel" they are literally hopping into the quantum realm, visiting these places as a physical location the same way you might enter a different room, and borrowing the stones from that reality. Because their timeline already exists, it can't be altered in the way they need to in order to do what they want. Then after they're done, they type in the same coordinates of THAT specific reality a stone was borrowed from, using the same exact location/time data to visit the same place/time in the multiverse and replace the stones they borrowed. Cap simply applies the same thing to their own timeline, but as a stable timeloop. He was always there, just keeping a low profile. It doesn't affect the future because Cap was there the entire time. It's just applying the Marvel multiverse rules to the MCU.

That’s not the multiverse rule. Cap’s presence *makes* it a divergence. No amount of laying low can ever change that. The Old Cap we see at the end of the movie isn’t the same man who departed on the platform, because he literally can’t be.

That's what I mean by stable timeloop, there are an infinite number of timelines that are exactly the same as the one we view. When a Cap goes back, a Cap arrives. The timeline plays out exactly the same in every infinite iteration of that timeline, with Cap having already lived out his life while Cap is also doing the Avengers shit.

Yeah, but that’s not a loop, it’s a horizontal spiral across timelines.

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From their perspective and ours, it's essentially the same. The Cap events always play out in the exact same way, it's the "same" Captain America. It's not like the Gammora situation where it's a different version due to a different set of events. But yeah I get what you mean.

Explain to me:
Black widow that jumped off the cliff is the FUTURE one. Wouldn't the past one just be alive again later on ?

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If the Russo’s were actually smart, they would have made it unambiguously clear that it wasn’t the same man.

Yes, until she too had to jump off the cliff.

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david lunch lol

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Fuck off

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Do better.

protip: he's not called the MAD titan for nothing.

The scene right after captain marvel shows up and blows up thanos’ ship with no effort where literally every female hero stands in a heroic pose while the camera pans over them made me physically ill
How did that make it into the final cut

Yeah, but we never suspected the day would come where he’d also earn the title of “The Dumb Titan.”

Holy shit have sex and stop projecting Disneycel

yo how did tony stark not get burned when he got the stones???
if i remember correctly, the moment hulk wore the gauntlet he was immediately in pain.

>Don't worry bro, I snagged an extra release day edition captain marvel Funko Pop for you from the swag booth

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>> Valkyrie suddenly worthy of leading Asgard
New Asgard, which is basicly just a very small nordic fishing village occupied by fortnite playing boomers.
If anything Valkyrie should've felt insulted

thanos is worthy of it

nano machines son, i ent gotta explain shit

he did you fucking idiot, holy shit is it literaly only retards and children that went to see this shit film, it was fucking simple the plot wholes are fucking simple in the confines of the film holy shit its a childrens film its not deep fucking hell

have sex

I have a couple of questions, but this thread is dying...too bad. if you can (and want to) make an example as it was the movie, please.

not surprising if they all died and came back

the only people live at the ed of the film are (1) those who survived the snap (2) those born after it (3) those who came back.
Original Gamora and Vision died b4 the snap so they're still dead, Natasha died retrieving the soul stone so she's dead.
And also caps alive for some reason

Groot literally picked up Stormbreaker in Infinity War you mongoloid