Avengers plotholes thread

Is that an out of season holocaust joke?

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>Use brain for western shittycinema
>Not using brain for kino anime
t.retard

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captan america used thors hammer!!!!!!!! :D

but now hes old and iron man is dead :((((

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>Why is Old Captain America in the original tineline despite the fact he went to the second timeline to return the stones?

its explained in the fuckin movie in the tilda swinton scene. tilda swinton explains that taking the stones creates new alternate realities but they can return them after to restore the original single timeline. there is no 'second timeline'

why did Cap leave his wife in the timeline? Did she die? Will he die? Does he have testicular cancer or something?

>If Captain America was in the current timeline somehow, why did he never help Bucky escape Hydra, stop Ultron's creation, or prevent Thanos from acquiring the gems?

this is also explained in the film. hulk explains that changing the past does not change the present, it only creates new timelines. if cap wanted to remain in the same timeline as all of the other characters, he cannot change a thing about the events of that timeline. if he does, he creates a new branch that he is on that no one else is on.

Why didn't captain america prevent 9/11?

>Why didn't they just have Carol wear the Gauntlet before returning the gems so she could revive Tony?

They say repeatedly that they're not going to use the stones to bring back anyone except people who got snapped, and even then, only reviving them into the present, not undoing their deaths entirely. Presumably because then they'd just be tempted to abuse their power and become immortal supergods who can never die.

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More or less anything you do will create another timeline though, unless he goes incel and stays in the basement all the time growing his own food. time travel is bullshit, it basically means the plot isn't even worth thinking about.

He is changing the timeline already by staying in the past which leads to:Moreover, the timelines fusing again doesn't make sense because you have Thanos disappearing from the timeline to chase the Stones, and Thanos collecting the Stones and snapping everyone out of existence in the same timeline.

How did he age? Did he go back before he took the serum?

sorry, bud. there's a timeline where loki steals the stone after the battle of new york now. it doesnt matter what the ancient one said. and what did she say anyway? "you can't use science to understand time travel!" lmao

They said they weren't going to resucitate people in the past because it would change the timeline, presumably implying things like Tony not having a family fue to everyone being revived in the past.

and in that same timeline, thanos is eliminated as a threat before the avengers find out about him.
>but they fixed everything!
you can't fix 2014 thanos dying in 2023. this created an alternate timeline.

I got a 48 hour mute on an MMO private server for spoiling this movie in world chat and I havent even fuckin seen it

Should have been banned

>Trusting goblina
She might as well snapped all male left into the dust, bring back only female, and turn them into futa

Yeah, but here's the thing why not just do good? Is giving the shield to Sam really worth all the shit Hydra does, is it worth 9/11?

He's not immortal that's only canon in certain comic continuities like 1602. In fact most of the time his serum is inferior to the Goblin Serum (well if you don't consider going insane a drawback)

Why didn't tony use the gems individually instead of snapping his fingers and killing himself?

Ok so they can't Rez people fine, why not bring a past Tony to the present since it doesn't change events?

He wiped out the army too but desu all of those OP niggas plus supergirl could have taken out the army

I didn't like this movie, but you're a brainlet OP.

It was all a dream.

Its a fucking kid movie. Are you seriously doing the "Well, Akchually" bit for an MCU movie ? ITS FOR KIDS, WHEN I WAS KIDS I LOVED COMIC BOOKS, ITS FOR FUCKING KIDS

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Those supergirl jobbed

I don't understand why they even bother trying to put plot into these movies if they're not going to at least make it consistent.

How did thanos jump through time without pym particles?

Nebula literally gave him the particle, slowly and close up so even the slowest ones can understand and yet here you are asking.

then how did she return back before? she only had enough particle to get back herself, and if she had enough to transport an entire army, why didnt the avengers just take a space ship through the time gate?

>Cap goes to return Soul Stone
>Red Skull greets him

Fuck plot holes, the fact we don't get this scene pisses me off.

The only reason he didn’t age before is because he was frozen.

>Why is Old Captain America in the original tineline despite the fact he went to the second timeline to return the stones?
Literally explained by Hulk, once the st9nes were back it all became a single timeline again.

The reason Marvel couldn't do the snap is because the only timeline where the good guys win is where Tony does it. I assume if they tried to give Marvel (who was currently KTFO) the gauntlet it would have gone horribly awry

What are you talking about? We know that Peggy died in Civil War.

How are all the stones able to be returned in their original forms?
How the fuck does Cap get to space to replace it for Quil and the Red Skull? He doesn't have a ship, right?
How was Thanos brought to the future when there weren't any pym particles left? Past neb used future neb's to get to the future but then what the fuck could she have done to bring the ship to the future later?

That's why Time Travel in movies is bad.

actually that's a damn good point

Hulk was explaining how they won't fuck up the alternative timeline's future if they return the stones

He uses the space stone to teleport to their locations and the time stone to return them to their original forms.

He travels through the quantum realm like everyone else did in the movie. He has enough pym particles to do all the trips

>How was Thanos brought to the future when there weren't any pym particles left? Past neb used future neb's to get to the future but then what the fuck could she have done to bring the ship to the future later?

legit plot hole.

So is this moral ?

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thanos's scientist guy probably figured out what the pym particles were made of and recreated them or something

What happens in Alabama stays in Alabama

just some family skinship brah

Time 1, she used Nebula's return dose. The fact that she showed it to Thanos doesn't mean he kept it.
Time 2, she used the time bridge to pull thanos' ship through.

There is. They motherfucking killed 2014 Thanos. 2014 Gamora is new Gamora.

And they motherfucking altered Loki's past.

There is a second 2023 where the Infinity War never happened.

anyone else notice the kid from iron man 3 at tony's funeral? it was a nice nod.

It was moral in Cap 2, when 1) Cap didn't even take Carter to a date, 2.) Carter died of old age and 3) Cap was frozen all these years until recently, which technically made niece Carter and cap total strangers to each other.

Now however...

>there's a timeline where loki steals the stone after the battle of new york now
but then tony and steve going back to 1970 to get the stone invalidates the prior loki scene, right?

no, just another branch segmenting from the same root so to speak.

You're entirely right except Loki. They didn't alter his past. Loki straight up created a new universe with that teleport jump. Or he is just fucking around in that 2014 timeline with the cube stone and will be a minor invonvenice to the Avengers in that timeline.

>2019
>still trying to figure out time travel in movies
when will you learn?

>we have limited pym particles, this has to count
no you don't, literally just go get more from the past like you literally do
>We have to return the gauntlet, take it to literally the most dangerous part of the area
how about anywhere else? after CM destroys the ship they literally could have just flown it out

she's agent carter's grand-niece
that only makes her related to steve rogers through marriage, not blood.
so it's only slightly weird but not incest type shit

or teleported it with Strange or Wong

but strange was battling water.

It's like being dead for 3 hours, but you're eating popcorn

well they'll probably address it in the upcoming loki series

cnet.com/news/new-marvel-series-for-disney-to-star-tom-hiddleston-as-loki/

The 2014 cap will never experience Peggys pussy because infinity War never happens in his timeline. Time traveling cap cucked himself.

what about Wong? Besides, wouldn't the gauntlet be top priority anyway?

>make good movie where bad guy wins
Yeah, almost as if it was half of a regular narrative or something.
I hate how people praise Part 1 for this shit. The only reason Thanos won in the first part was because it was essentially the first couple acts of any ordinary story. The villain wins and then the heroes Male a comeback to defeat him when all seems lost

>literal child level plot points that could be answered if you actually paid attention
>"turn off your brain bro"
Ah so this is the average intelligence of Yea Forums

>In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Try again, OP.

because edgy teenagers are always on the lookout for movies where the bad guy wins and they got a billion-dollar budget one where half the universe dies
many of them are still cleaning up the cum stains to this day

Nebula giving Thanos the Pym particles then going back to the present despite only having one

>the mind stone
>Hawk Eye's wife's phone was plugged in for 8 years or disconnected, full battery, doesn't add up
>THORS FUCKING HAMMER GOES MISSING
>Loki's disapearing act, lol we fucked up, lol lets just GO BACK IN TIME AGAIN
>PYM PARTICLES, THERES ONLY 7 LEFT
>PYM PARTICLES, THERES ONLY 7 LEFT
>PYM PARTICLES, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THEM SINCE THEY TOOK THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE
>Nebula shoots herself instantly killing her future self
>Steve Rogers goes back in time, kills himself and lives out his life as an old man
>war machines suit was crushed, new suit out of no where appears
>NoobMaster69 doesn't die to thors lightning

>mind stone
in the scepter, cap gets it
>Hawk Eye's wife's phone was plugged in for 8 years or disconnected, full battery, doesn't add up
they got dusted with their clothes and objects, it just got restored.
>Loki's disapearing act, lol we fucked up, lol lets just GO BACK IN TIME AGAIN
not how time travel works
>PYM PARTICLES, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THEM SINCE THEY TOOK THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE
now how time travel works
>Nebula shoots herself instantly killing her future self
not how time travel works
>Steve Rogers goes back in time, kills himself and lives out his life as an old man
not how time travel works
>war machines suit was crushed, new suit out of no where appears

If its in the extras I'm buying that dvd box set.

>in the scepter, cap gets it
They literally made the mindstone when they made Vision. How are you this inept?

actually retarded

>the mind stone
They dropped the ball on this one.

>Hawk Eye's wife's phone
stasis, preserved exactly as it was

>THORS FUCKING HAMMER GOES MISSING
No it didn't, just like the infinity stones didn't go missing. That's why Cap brought it back with him, he had to return it.

>PYM PARTICLES
Pym can just make more. The reason there were only 7 left is Pym, the only man in the universe who knows how to manufacture them, was snapped in the future timeline.

>Nebula shoots herself instantly killing her future self
Alternate timeline Nebula, not past Nebula.

>Steve Rogers goes back in time, kills himself and lives out his life as an old man
There was no Steve Rogers back then to replace, he was frozen in the ice since the end of World War 2. He probably just assumed a new identity and lived in quiet retirement with his wife after replacing all the infinity stones and Mjolnir.

>war machines suit was crushed, new suit out of no where appears
At this point it's a given Tony Stark has back ups of back ups of back ups for everybody.

>NoobMaster69 doesn't die to thors lightning
An actual oversight.

nigga what the fuck are you talking about, do you think they made an Infinity Stone? It's literally in the sceptor

>They dropped the ball on this one.
They didn't, it's in Loki's Scepter, Scott brings it back to the present.

Wait was that the mind stone? Shit I actually forgot.

The scepter was powered by the mindstone wrapped in a kind of container, similar to the tesseract containing the space stone. All they did was crack it open and get the stone out, so all they had to do was replace the stone in the scepter and put it back where they found it.

>if the infinity stones are atoms now why don't we just get ant man to make a atom infinity gauntlet

He'd probably be happy he got to bang her in at least one time line.

Sure, just have him gather up the billions if not trillions of atoms needed to make them.

you just need one atom per gem and then you make those atoms gemsized.

user that's not how atoms work

The established rules they had for time travel was that you can't actually alter the past, it's a multiverse. If you cause events to happen differently then you just get a branch timeline. So yeah, he could've used the infinity gauntlet to go back to the moment Thanos snapped and then un-snap everybody, but that wouldn't un-fuck the fucked up future where they were snapped for 5 years, it would just create an alternate future where the snap was un-snapped immediately. Because you can't change the past for an established timeline, you can only alter its future.

So that's why the solution was to bring back the snapped people at the current point in their timeline, to alter their future.

>The Avengers play a game of Keep Away with the gauntlet
>They dont just throw it into a portal that opens by the time machine

This.

The more you think about the time travel in this movie the more your brain hurts.

There are huge glaring contractions that dont make any sense and are best to not think about.

They literally just invent and break their own rules as they go along

Nobody really seemed to be bringing their A-game to that fight except Cap when he was whooping ass with Mjolnir, and even that didn't last long.

Cap lives a full life with Peggy in an alternate timeline then returns to the original timeline after Peggy dies.

Cap's living incognito as to not throw that alternate timeline too much out of whack, otherwise it could cause complications with the stones and Thanos.

All the wizards can do it and there's a shit load of them there. That final battle is getting shittier by the second

>everything is about the holocaust

>but then tony and steve going back to 1970 to get the stone invalidates the prior loki scene, right?

no, and even if it does that directly contradicts their rule about the past not affecting the present

infact, the entire ''putting the stones back'' bullshit COMPLETELY BREAKS AND CONTRADICTS THE ENTIRE MOVIE

literally just turn your brain off, its not worth thinking about

>Cap lives a full life with Peggy in an alternate timeline then returns to the original timeline after Peggy dies.
No retard. THINK

>tfw you realize that cap DID make a new timeline
>and since we see his old self at the end WE'RE ALL IN IT

grasping at straws now
>nebula having two consciousnesses at once and no one else has this effect them
>quin getting knocked the fuck out never meets up with the gang
>hawkeye caring about anyone after what happened to his family after 9 years
>Banner and Hulk broing it out
>stark and nebula surviving the trip in space with marvel pushing them with only enough air to get to morning
>captain america vs captain america whered you get that pendant never resolves
>thanos wielding mjolnir for that one second in the fight scene

2014 timeline is probably better off.

Yea Cap being in the main timeline is absolutely fucking retarded. Really killed the ending for me.

>>Hawk Eye's wife's phone
>stasis, preserved exactly as it was
Why would the phone network be preserved? Her account and SIM card access was deleted like 4 years 11 months ago.

How the fuck could they have killed thanos and all his men that have travelled from the past? Doesn’t that contradict the reason why they said they needed to return the stones to back when they were taken, to avoid a split in the timeline? Captain America growing old and remaning in the current timeline would suggest they avoided any sort of time splintering or whatever so how does killing thanos make any sense? Also shouldn’t Peter parker’s friends that didn’t get snapped be like 20 something year olds not in high school?

>they got dusted with their clothes and objects, it just got restored.

How come Captain Marvel's/Nick Fury's pager did not get dusted while the phone of some random whore did despite her not having the phone in the scene she got dusted?

When 2019 Nebula killed 2014 Nebula, wouldn’t 2019 Neb have then ceased to exist? She literally killed the future her.

what was the point of ms marvel flying into ant man's van? i wasn't paying enough attention to what she was doing

Ok, retard.

Because the film is jam packed with plot conveniences

no, they state that affecting the past doesnt change the future

they then conveniently ignore this several times, but not when its related to the ''main'' timeline

>only have enough pym particles for one round trip each
>not sending scott back to get more pym particles first

they needed another time machine for...
something...
i don't remember

When 2014 Nebula made the jump to 2019 that created an alternate timeline. 2014 isn't 2019 anymore. 2019 is still 2019 in the 2019 timeline which is where 2014 ended up. The timeline 2014 made when she jumped to 2019 only effects 2014 they become two distinct entities, this only works in future and present time lines. Past timelines if you encounter yourself it kinda fucks everything up because that's how logic works. Example.
You go back in time and fuck your mother. You become your own father.

I don't remember either. Wait, what the fuck happened?

>Captain Marvel gets the gauntlet
>all the white males turn to dust

They wanted to get the gauntlet into the minivan so pedobear can get all the lolis.

The two where just on the same server, it’s like having two administrators on the same computer. How did you miss this?

Maybe because it wasn't explained. Oh but its over wifi. But then if its over alien wifi do they need to plug into her head to access the memories?

No they show it’s like shared cloud. HOW DID YOU MISS THIS, ITS A CHILDREN MOVIE HOW?

Who made this infinite stones?

That's exactly what he does, user. Changing anything in the past creates a new divergent timeline. He doesn't return to his original timeline until he's lived out a full life/

No he stayed there, this is a whole different captain. Alternate universe

he repeatedly stole more red serum and went back 5 years at a time to continually fuck young peggy in a bunch of timelines. once he came down with ed he still tried a bit more but eventually decided it was time to hang up the old hat

trust me buddy, you do NOT want to go down that rabbit hole

If he returns to the original time line he would come back to the time travel launch pad like they did every other time

what was the crowd like at your showing? it was all literally 25-35 yr old people

Yeah but you expect them to be consistent about physics when in Ant-Man 2 all they did was say nothing but "quantum" for the excuse. We've also seen them shrink stuff on and off with ease in antman 2.

they are god's kidney stones

ant man is so inconsistent with its physics anyhow. even in the very first ant scene it's all fucked. he falls on a vinyl record and doesn't damage anything but breaks through a floor at another point and also dents the roof of a cab

>HOW DID YOU MISS THIS, ITS A CHILDREN MOVIE HOW?
Yikes.

Where did Loki go?

>plot holes in capeshit
Heh.

While the only way that could happen is that's a different timeline, I am not sure writers meant that...

What was the audio in the end credits scene? What was it meant to imply?

i think they were trying to time travel the gauntlet away? i guess? that confused me too
and wait a minute they didn't have any particles anyway so it wouldn't have worked, were they just trying to shrink it? why would marvel know about that?

back to his home planet, but died along the way.

Let's consider the stupid possibility that, for some reason, nebula has a wifi part that makes her glitch and automatically play a recording of her other future self.
It still doesn't make any sense. How does that shit work? Why would it even detect itself, and specially when future nebula is in a barren planet?
Also, I have the ID extension on, and holy shit dude, you're seething so much at the fact that your self-proclaimed children's movie has terrible inconsistencies that at this point it's just sad.

Really all that happened was a -2 people

>its a loop he was always there...
Retard. They literally state that each time they travel it creates a new timeline. No loops in this universe. The fact Captain comes back old without using his time travel machine is a huge plot hole.

Be honest, loki is just comic relief and serve no treat

>thanos busting captain america's shield with no power gem, using only that stupid ass sword

DOUBT

They put the stones back because those new altered timelines NEED the stones, otherwise they just created a timeline where the Avengers are basically screwed.

so they put them back, and then the catastrophe of not having the stones doesn't exist anymore.
or does it?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
cap went back in time by himself. putting aside how he got to the places where he needed to return the stones to, he puts them back when they need them. but that doesn't get rid of the uncountable ammount of universes that have been doomed because of the stealing of the stones. furthermore, cap doesn't go to an alternate timeline. it's their own past.
pick one:
>actions in the past don't alter the present
>cap can go back in time with peggy and live in their timeline naturally
it doesn't make any fucking sense
also also, if none of the things they take became affected in this reality, wjy didn't they just take the stones again, a minute earlier, and so on? why didn't they just do the same for pym particles?

I was thinking the same thing.
The were three timelines eventually made in the film.
- One where Loko escapes 2012 with the tesseract
- One where 2014 Thanos and his armies are no longer present, therefore the Infinity War events never took place
- One where the events from the movie take place, but with Cap going back in time in cognito allowing every event to take place as they did through the entire movie's run, so he can marry and live a life with Peggy. He knows when to go to the Avenger's base and sit by the pond because he was already there a few seconds beforehand.

If they went back and took a Tony from another time line, whether it's before or after his daughter is born, that time line just wouldn't have a Tony Stark, but the events of Infinity War would have already happened, and Thanos would have destroyed the Stones. This would be the best option because they already lost, and in this time line, they wouldn't win the final battle anyway according to Strange.

>Visiting weebs site, going to Yea Forums instead Yea Forums
Ofcourse, only retard do that

Went to sleep and woke up mad about this shitty movie.

Sadly this.
The average audience is even bored by this movie though.
Had this come out 10-30 years ago it would be considered the lotr star wars of its time.
Sadly it's nowhere near as good or bad.