I have only seen part of The Nun's Story (1959), and Always (1989), and nothing else. Obviously, there's Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961).
What do you recommend? I like to watch things in order, but I don't currently have the time to watch every movie with Audrey, so I'd like a short list of quintenssential Hepburn kino. Should I rewatch The Nun's Story? I saw the latter half of it on TV over 15 years ago.
At the end of my Audrey Marathon, I'll visit her grave. Will take pictures; even better, before I go, you can post messages and I'll print them and deposit them there for you, with photographic evidence. She's about 20 minutes away by car, so I could go any day.
Feel free to discuss anything about Audrey Hepburn. Have a good thread!
OK, you said, I think, that psychosomatic stuff is not a disorder and not a serious one. My bad. I still disagree though as psychosomatic stuff can be serious and a disorder as well.
Jose Perry
>thread begins with two different anons who admit being wrong
We're off to a good start, holy shit.
Noah Wood
>psychosomatic stuff can be serious and a disorder as well. Yes, it can, but sometimes pain caused by psychosomatic problems is benign and not indicative of anything else (I'm saying this from personal experience). Also there is such a thing as a psychosomatic disorder, I was just saying that "stress" or "anxiety" by themselves were not disorders. There is such a thing as SAD, but anxiety by itself is just anxiety.
Xavier Hughes
(By SAD I meant social anxiety disorder, not seasonal affective disorder which is apparently what the acronym usually stands for.)
Jayden Campbell
>Yes, it can, but sometimes pain caused by psychosomatic problems is benign and not indicative of anything else (I'm saying this from personal experience). I agree with that, of course.
>I was just saying that "stress" or "anxiety" by themselves were not disorders. In the sense that they are normal reactions, I agree also. They become a disorder when they take a toll on the sufferer and last longer than they should, hence "anxiety disorder" and such, even if, technically, they still are "normal reaction" to fear and the likes.
Jaxon Martinez
OK, I thought you meant seasonal. That said, the anxiety felt in "social anxiety" is "just anxiety", to use your terms. What makes it abnormal (a disorder, in other words), is why it happens, rather than being anxiety.
Jayden Anderson
Yeah. To tie this into what I was discussing earlier, anxiety and stress by themselves are indeed normal responses to unknown, unfamiliar situations, so it makes sense that people who are inexperienced socially would feel like this. It doesn't mean they're mentally ill, much less autistic. It's just that they aren't currently equipped to properly deal with such a new situation. The only way to fix that is exposure and the understanding that such situations are not inherently dangerous. But it can very much be fixed. And if the anxiety and feelings of inadequacy are too overwhelming, then of course professional help is required, but again, it doesn't mean the person is fundamentally flawed or broken. They've just become stuck in a bad habit, a vicious circle, and they might need some outside help to get out of it. It's okay. People on this website tend to make a huge deal out of this, but it's just life. Some people are social butterflies and are seemingly effortlessly popular, others have to work harder for it. But very, very few people are actually hopeless.
Christian Russell
Watch Two for the Road, OP
Joseph Morales
>unknown, unfamiliar situations Or known, familiar dangers.
>who are inexperienced socially would feel like this. More usually, what those people fear is what they know: being mistreared, abused, insulted, not being able to trust other humans.
Eli Williams
>It doesn't mean they're mentally ill, much less autistic. It's just that they aren't currently equipped to properly deal with such a new situation. You'll find that this definition covers most mental illnesses.
Noah Torres
>They've just become stuck in a bad habit, a vicious circle, and they might need some outside help to get out of it. It's okay. That's the way mental illness works also, apart from things that are rooted in biology only.
>People on this website tend to make a huge deal out of this, but it's just life. Mental illness is just life too, you know.
Daniel Ross
Ugly rat looking overrated whore
Jace Evans
Are you OK, mate?
Jayden Reed
roman holiday the best scene is when she is slipping her pantyhosed foot out her shoe during some ceremony busted many a nut to that. havent seen the rest of the film though lel
Logan Jackson
>Or known, familiar dangers. Usually they are perceived as dangers due to past negative experiences, but they are not actually so dangerous. >being mistreared, abused, insulted, not being able to trust other humans. Which relates to what I said just above. It's bound to happen anyway, because you're bound to meet shitty people at some point. But the key is to stay aware that not all social experiences have to be like this, not even most of them. Yeah, maybe. I'm not a psych, I don't actually know shit about mental illness except what I've personally researched. I guess the worst thing is the alienating factor that mental illnesses and disorders have, that can often be much more ostracizing than physical illness (to a certain extent, obviously). So for someone who already has trouble with social situations, getting told he's mentally ill will most likely exacerbate that feeling. Which is not to say that everyone should be coddled, but nuance is important. People are too eager to systematically dismiss the experiences of others and quick to latch onto characteristics like psychiatric issues to drive their point home.
Jonathan Campbell
>Usually they are perceived as dangers due to past negative experiences, but they are not actually so dangerous. Irrelevant. But that's what therapy would "teacher" to such a person. It makes no difference whether a perceived danger is real or not, when it comes to the brain. Phobic people know their fears are irrational in most cases, but it changes nothing, much like knowing plexiglass will not break if you step on it and feeling fear nonetheless.
Evan Cook
There's also a tendency to over-diagnose or self-diagnose, especially nowadays. Everyone has depression, social anxiety, schizoid PD, whatever Wikipedia page in the psychiatry section they relate to the most. This is not helpful or productive in the slightest. >Mental illness is just life too True.
Bentley Diaz
In which case they need help from a professional to overcome that fear and not let it take over their life. Some people can do it by themselves though.
Hunter Fisher
>Which relates to what I said just above. Yes, but I said it first, goddam it.
>Yeah, maybe. I'm not a psych, I don't actually know shit about mental illness except what I've personally researched. I know, but I am a therapist, I know what I am talking about.
>dismiss the experiences of others and quick to latch onto characteristics like psychiatric issues to drive their point home. Connecting it to a known condition usually does the opposite: you take it seriously if you consider it for what it actually is. Dismissing it as a personality trait or "it's just life" is harmful.
Lucas Parker
>There's also a tendency to over-diagnose or self-diagnose, especially nowadays. Not a problem, though. A professional will know what it really is, and self-diagnosis offers useful insights. Depending on the condition, those self-diagnoses need not be systematically wrong because the sufferer has no training in therapy, medicine, and psychiatry. If someone hears voices that don't exist, the odds for that person to actually suffer from schizophrenia and related illnesses are very high.
>Everyone has depression, social anxiety, schizoid PD, whatever Wikipedia page in the psychiatry section they relate to the most. This is not helpful or productive in the slightest. You're wrong. Most of my patients check online and what they suspect is often correct. It shouldn't be surprising, many symptoms are quite spectacular and unusual.
Noah James
Are you a psychiatrist? > Dismissing it as a personality trait or "it's just life" is harmful. Is it not harmful when the person starts to consider their problem as a part of their personal identity, and use that to convince themselves that they're too different from others, alienated or what have you? I wasn't talking about professionals by the way, I meant people in general who are still very much reluctant to discuss mental illness because it's a delicate subject. >self-diagnosis offers useful insights I'm surprised to read that, psychs are usually not too enthusiastic about self-diagnosis. I wasn't talking about issues like schizophrenia, but rather referring to cluster C disorders. You've probably seen it on this website, sometimes people will post a screencap of a Wikipedia excerpt that paraphrases the DSM-5 in an easy to read bullet point list, and a bunch of anons will inevitably identify to it and find satisfaction in that. I don't think that's very healthy. >what they suspect is often correct Does their accuracy depend on the type of illness you're dealing with?
William Hall
>Everyone has depression, social anxiety, schizoid PD, whatever Wikipedia page in the psychiatry section they relate to the most. You have this impression because you wrongly believe that mental illness is rare. It's not. Even when the estimated rate of a given illness is 1%, do realise how many people that is worldwide. It's a lot.
Brandon Hernandez
Are you saying that there is currently no tendency, especially on the Internet, for young people to identify to mental illness? Maybe I'm not seeing things clearly, but I doubt it. At some point, mood disorders were almost a trend.
Ayden Russell
>Are you a psychiatrist? I'm a psychologist. The therapist training is exactly the same for psychologists and psychiatrists, however. The difference is I don't have a medical background, but more knowledge in psychology than a psychiatrist.
>Is it not harmful when the person starts to consider their problem as a part of their personal identity, and use that to convince themselves that they're too different from others, alienated or what have you? It is. That's why I said that disorders shouldn't be considered personality traits.
>I'm surprised to read that, psychs are usually not too enthusiastic about self-diagnosis. Some people are IRL faggots. The reason they aren't enthusiastic is when diagnosing is their only "obvious skill". A good therapist will have no problem with it, why should he? It means the patient is pro-active and interested in his own recovery, and there's no reason why that should be bad, even if he is wrong (which is the therapist's job to figure out). Most of the info you will get about a patient is literally from the patient directly, so self-diagnosing is of the same ilk. It doesn't mean the patient counters you (which is I guess why some therapists don't like it).
>I wasn't talking about issues like schizophrenia, but rather referring to cluster C disorders. It doesn't make a big difference. If the person feels sufficiently bad about their life that they consider themselves likely to be in cluster C, there's something to work with.
>and a bunch of anons will inevitably [...] healthy. If you think this is like reading your star sign and finding it "to be true", I can agree to some degree, but if you find yourself agreeing with a list of symptoms from the DSM, there may be a real problem.
It's better to overrate symptoms than the opposite. People who think nothing is wrong are much harder to help than those who doubt.
Luke Ortiz
>Does their accuracy depend on the type of illness you're dealing with? In part, but usually it's more related to their intelligence and education.
Jackson Baker
>Are you saying that there is currently no tendency, especially on the Internet, for young people to identify to mental illness? There is, but they need not be wrong. That's my point. Think about it, for someone who does suffer from a mental illness, what do you think the odds are that they might recognise their condition if they read about it?
>Maybe I'm not seeing things clearly, but I doubt it. At some point, mood disorders were almost a trend. If you suffer from any other ailment, what are the odds that you'll recognise it by reading about it? I found out I was gluten intolerant that way. I self-diagnosed, and experimented, and it checks out perfectly. Then I went to a doctor and he confirmed it.
Jordan Mitchell
That was pretty informative, I don't really have anything to add. >I self-diagnosed, and experimented, and it checks out perfectly. I think what I'm getting at is that self-diagnosis is not usually sufficient and that a professional's opinion is always necessary, otherwise, you might be right but you might also be misled and worry about/attempt to fix something that isn't there.
I'm going to bed now, but it was interesting talking to you. Have a good day/evening, user.
Brayden Myers
>I think what I'm getting at is that self-diagnosis is not usually sufficient and that a professional's opinion is always necessary, The idea is that self-diagnosis leads to consulting a professional. If the person takes their doubt seriously, and their self-diagnosis seriously, the only logical move afterwards is to seek professional help. If the next move is "telling everyone my new personality disorder" on Facebook, then the person may not take it very seriously. Most people prefer to stay away from diagnoses, not because of personal doubt, but out of fear: they think a diagnosis will stigmatise them, even from themselves, because they have a warped view of diagnoses (they're a map to a territory that isn't always as conveniently simple).
>be misled and worry about/attempt to fix something that isn't there. It's actually very uncommon to try and fix something that isn't there. If the person feels sufficiently bad to try and fix the whatever that bothers them, there's usually something. Consider this: hypochondria does not mean the person is actually ill or infected, but worrying this much about it IS a problem in itself.
