Heres why goku would win

>3-is stronger than gods of destruction who can destroy universes
superman doesn't need powerscaling to be stronger than the gods of his universe there are page after pages of him literally doing it

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you want to know why supes would win

because he is the super man

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Darkseid is pathetically weak though. He's a God on par with like King Kai. Beerus would laugh at his Omega beams

>Darkseid, a casual planet buster and multiversal threat, is on the same level as some fat retard who fucks with a monkey all day

Go back to where you came from, spic

There is no difference between Ultra Instinct Goku and any other version of Goku. Power level logic is for stupid Babies.

>faster than time.
Bait thread. We went over this nonsense back when Goku first fought Hit. This is a madeup term and the people who made it up didn't know what was happening. That's like saying "Faster than the speed of speed".

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>4-his ki shook a real infinite in size meaning his power has no limits
The one who said this was Android 18. Does 18 have infinite perception? can 18 see and hear and feel infinity?

she has a infinite sized lust

Sounds like you are talking about his Avatar. The actual Darksied is a multiversal abstract force of destruction whos very presence in a universe causes it to be destroyed. There was a storyline where he was "pushed" into the multiverse, and he was destroying it as he fell.

Beerus can be hurt by spicy food.

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>It's a "Caroltranny shoving her shit character in a unrelated thread" episode

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Darksied specifically mentioning his avatars and his true state as a multiversal being.

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Mommy

>hurrr durr me post one punch man meso funny and superior
Kill yourself and take the entire thread with you

Slower than a mosquito. can be damaged by a Cat. Also quite dumb. I am actually a fan of One Punch Man and have read the web comic, the manga and watched the anime, and have frequented Murata's streams where he would often share scrapped content, concepts and sometimes major spoilers.

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Kid Buu was a universe destroyer. Also;
>bigger
>more powerfull
Size has nothing to do with it. This is meme-tier coping.

>was faster then time
what does that mean? it's like saying I'm stronger than the color purple

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>MUI is auto dodge
>But got caught by powered up equal Jiren like 3-4 times and knocked down repeatedly
Its just a power boost. They pretty much retconned it with this shit. If it was some instinctual auto dodge then even if Jiren was slightly stronger he should've still been unable to grab/touch Goku.

Ya’ll gone make me act a fool, up in here, up in here
Ya’ll gone makemeloose my cool,up in here up in here
Ya’llgone make me bust a smack, up in here, up in here
Ya’ll gone make my fingers snap, up in here, up in here
Why should I battle a crusty old man
When you can’t even defeat a little weak Peter Pan
Ya lucky this is only a beatbox battle
Cause in a real battle I make ya feel rattled
Look at him, he only got one planet
I got the whole Galaxy under my dependence
You’re gonna beg when you bleed and die
As you realize destiny arrived
Ya’ll gone make me
Ya’ll gone make me
Ya’ll gone make me
Ya’ll gone make me
Let me show you how to scratch it
Either way, destiny still arrives, bayym

It's bait. OP has gathered all of the most trolly, baity memes surrounding Goku and put them in one place.

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user I....Spectre is a jobber....

>Spectres weight can apparently job between panels.

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How does that reduce his weight?

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>superman lifting a guy with infinite weight doesn't count as a feat of strength because that character loses a lot even though his weight has nothing to do with his fighting record
woah so this is a the power of a gokutard....

Always the same argument:

>GoKu'S nEw FoRm CoUlD bEaT sUpErMaNs BaSe!!!

If you want to have Goku at his most powerful new form, then you've got to have Supes at his most powerful, which is Superman 1,000,000. AKA, that form that could turn any form of Goku into Confetti with a thought.

You lost, go home, rethink your life. God you people are almost as annoying as those retards that keep posting Hal in every Ben 10 thread. The difference is that they have the right to be smug since they won.

Even his avatars might be universe level honestly.

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I think Superman wins but your post is just
>these feats are not feats because I said so

I'll also add that the "new form" system of Dragon Ball and anime in general is garbage. It's just a writing crutch to build false suspense and then suddenly have the good guy win for no real reason. They never explain or show why "transforming" means they can win the fight now, there are no visible differences in how the character is fighting or thinking. They are just written to win or at least do better after the transformation.

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They are not feats because they make no fucking sense. You can't be "faster" than time because time has no speed, it is nothing but a dimension, just like space.

You also can't shoot lasers out of your eyes. Don't be retarded.

superman flying makes no sense because he doesn't have telekinetic powers nor does he control gravity yet hes been flying for like 80 years
its fiction

He’s not faster than time, he’s stronger than Hit’s time skip, and even then Superman’s son as a kid could already break out of time stop

goku vs superman threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/10 and >>>Yea Forumsrules/1
OP is a faggot.
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Not the person you are replying to, but there are Animals that can produce intense heat and electrical discharges. Neither Superman or Goku are Human.

"Faster than time" doesn't make sense because it's a logical fallacy. Time does not have a speed. Android 18 claiming Goku's battle is shaking the infinite "world"(that is the word they used) of Void doesn't make sense because that claim coming from 18 is invalid, since they cannot perceive, see, hear, or feel infinitely.

>NOOOOOO GOKUBROS OUR HERO CANT BE DEFEATED QUICK REPORT THIS THREAD SO IT GETS DELETED IT!!!!
pathetic

At the end of the day Goku knows how to use a magic sealing spell that'd oneshot Supes and everyone seems to ignore that for some reason.

He needs a rice cooker or a jar for that and it kinda takes a while. Superman can just hit him while he’s talking.

you can resist it if you are stronger than the caster
youtube.com/watch?v=41ey9yzPHEU

>Superman can just hit him while he’s talking.
That'd be unSupermanlike.

>you can resist it if you are stronger than the caster
Magic weakness. Supes couldn't apply his strength to reflecting it.

omega beams

I mean he’s in the middle of a fight and the guy seems to be casting a magic spell. He’s aware magic can do some real damage so I doubt he’s just gonna sit and take it, especially if it might kill him

Whoever wins just means the author is a bigger autist.

If someone pulled out a rice-cooker and started talking gibberish midfight, I'd assume I rattled their brain, not that they're casting a spell.

Especially if they've literally never used magic up to that point. Pretty sure that's the only spell he knows.

You obviously haven’t seen what Superman has, with villains like Prankster and sometimes Toyman, gotta be on your feet when something looks silly

superman doesn't lose his powers when he comes in contact with magic, magic just affects him like it does anyone else. if goku threw the mafuba at superman, supes would still be as strong as he normally is so he could throw the spell back at goku

youtube.com/watch?v=iZ45BppH50I
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Superman has the sun's out guns out hax. If he can't beat Goku he can just PRAISE THE SUN until he's strong enough. Goku has his own hax but it requires getting his ass kicked multiple times in a row and only seems to work up to a certain level of power so he can't outhax Supes. Crazy ass motherfucker would still have the time of his goddamn life though, he hates easy wins.

Magic is not like Kryptonite, it does not drain Superman's power, unless that is the nature of the spell specifically. He simply has no defence against magic, and any spell that effects a normal person on a magical level also effects Superman.

For example, a bullet created by magic and fired at Superman still bounces off of him like a normal bullet, because the spell was to create a bullet, which Superman is not affected by. However, if the magic user was to make adjustments to the spell, for instance, the spell is to "create a bullet that can pierce the body of anything" then the bullet will probably pierce Superman. If the spell is to "create a bullet that can KILL anything it hits" then the bullet will instantly kill Superman if it hits him.(and Goku, too)

Magic does what it says it will do, and the wording and specifics are important. For example, that bullet that can "kill anything it hits" ? If the wording was instead "kill anything whos skin it pierces" then the bullet wouldn't work on Superman because it cannot pierce his skin. Telling the spell to kill whoever it simply "hits" is an important distinction.

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>1-was faster then time
Not an actual feat explained in the show or manga.
>2-has autodoge mode that makes him untouchable
Jiren touched it, and he doesn't even have UI.
>3-is stronger than gods of destruction who can destroy universes
Only Zeno destroys universes.
>4-his ki shook a real infinite in size meaning his power has no limits
What the fuck does this even mean? Shook a real infinite in size?

If the bullet is made of magic then it could hurt him, right?

Why didn't you show the part where Jiren got back up and then Goku, Vegeta, Freiza and 17 struggled just to knock Jiren out of the ring because they couldn't beat him?

>gets up a minute later and Gokek needs Freezypop and 17 to bail him out

Naruto has legit FTL speed feats.

What does Goku have other than retarded supositions?

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>Narutards wants to be BTFO AGAIN
Forget about Goku vs Superman for a second lets care these fags

Show me proof of Goku being light speed.

Yes, that user is just coping. Magic hurts supes

Blanco subdued Jiren.
That's all.

I would say the last time transformations were good were in the Cell arc. Super Saiyan was still by itself something to be respected and earned. Trunks and Vegeta ascend beyond it but it's proven to be the wrong approach, both are torn down by skill and stamina over brute force. Gohan ascends "correctly" but in doing so he goes insane and gets his father killed. Then the series forgets it with Buu and makes a parody of it with both GT and Super's dozens of forms and transformations that mean nothing beyond color change for more toys.

>bullets just affects him like it does anyone else. if someone shot superman, supes would still be as durable as he normally is so he could tank the bullet
That's not a fucking magic weakness then. Magic works like FUCKING ANYTHING you could hit superman with and has ZERO unique interaction with his powers. You could have it be literally anything else and anything else would have no effect.

Either he has a magic weakness or he doesn't, Sick and tired about hearing about this fabled magic vulnerability but whenever anyone suggests magic might get through his fucking powers, Supershills like you come in to scream about how he'd just no sell that shit. If magic affects superman like everything else then he's immune to fucking magic, like everything else. That's not a fucking vulnerability.

Dragon Ball is written up on the spot by a senile author and makes no sense. Remember when DBfags tried to claim SSG Goku could break the universe just by punching things yet SSB, a stronger form, doesn't do that ever again.

Blanco > Jiren > God of destruction > Lightspeed.
In DB, Power is almost always linked to speed

You're saying it's unSupermanlike for him to stop this when you're talking about Goku desperately sealing away an enemy when he'd in character do his best to beat him fairly.

I still contest that it was Beerus with his abstract power of destruction doing that, and had nothing to do with Goku.

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Freezer can burst planet, but we never see SSJ3 Goku doing that. Would you say SSJ3 is not capable of bursting planet ?

There's an important distinction between a bullet made WITH magic and a bullet made OF magic. If the magically-created bullet is made of common materials (regular-ass lead) then it wouldn't hurt him (unless it has some kind of magical residue on it, if that's a thing, then maybe?). But if the bullet was made of magical energy or whatever you could cap his punk ass.

But the shockwaves knocked him away too and Goku had enough power to nullify it

M8, SS3 Gotenks literally shattered the fabric of reality to bust a hole between dimensions with a fucking yell.

A staple of DBZ is people not fighting at max power to avoid completely erasing the shit they're fighting over. The cast was fucking planet buster tier at the start of fuckin Z ffs.

No, no it's not. Dyspo is fast as fuck but he wasn't stronger than Gohan and Hit.

See
and go fuck yourself. Mafuba is made OF magic but people are saying it'd do jack shit to Supes. Mixed messaging is mixed and I'm god damn sick of it.

>DBfags tried to claim SSG Goku could break the universe just by punching things yet SSB, a stronger form, doesn't do that ever again.

Why would he break the universe? He lives in it. It's where all his stuff is. The whole reason he trained with Whis was to master his newly-acquired godly power so he wouldn't accidentally break the universe.

Goku used technique to nullify it, not power.

remember that time superman realized his body absorbs solar radiation and radiation is energy therefore he could absorb ALL kinds of energy and then he literally power himself back to 100% absorbing magic? cause i remember

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Where's the feat? Where's the statement that they're Lightspeed or ftl? Even if there is, it's pretty vague about what speed they are above it. Naruto and DB are both FTL, but both series are vague on how much. The closest you have is Dyspo being regarded as "exceeding the speed of sound and light" by his GoD/Kai, and again we don't know how much. If every character seen slower than him could do it (he's super Saiyan god level by the way), they wouldn't make a point of mentioning it as something impressive for him doing it specifically. GoDs are ftl for sure, but if a weaker God level opponent is impressive for being FTL, it isn't by much. Also Whis uses his staff to transport himself, he's not using his own flying speed, so scaling Beerus to him doesn't work.

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Superman would be put into the container like anyone else. Whether or not he would stay in it is another matter entirely.

As far as I know Goku doesn't have defences against magic either. Pic related,he beat Goku and Vegeta with magic because there was nothing they could do about it. Moro has a good chance of beating Superman too. Goku and Vegeta basically jumped him and he still won. If he researches his adversary beforehand then his victory is assured.

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He doesn't have a weakness to magic, he's just not immune to it. A spell that turns someone into a pig would turn him into a pig. A fireball spell would burn his ass like anyone else. But summon a normal ass wooden club and try to hit him with it and you're SOL.

If Supes is constantly absorbing all forms of energy why isn't he a pitch black void?

Actually since by e=mc^2, we know matter is energy, so why isn't he a black hole?

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youtu.be/_asukOcDfAk
At around 9:15-10:00

Looks like goku created a force field to block energy blasts but those actions arent energy blasts or a force field. The “force field” he created is actually him blocking those punches from jiren as he’s simultaneously mastering the form. You can even see Gokus arms literally vibrating as he’s starting to fight back.

Don’t see nay Naruto characters coming close to the speed dbz characters have

He flew, that’s why he and Beerus crashed to Earth instead of just teleporting

I concur, the shockwaves didn't even harm the Earth right next to them, and it was more about the "frequency" of their punches. Goku was going to die if it happened anyways.

He was able to nullify that shit, and you can’t nullify an equal amount of force unless you have the POWER to do so

>he's just not immune to it
If it affects him like everything else, YES HE IS. I don't know if you've noticed, but Superman is invulnerable.

>A spell that turns someone into a pig would turn him into a pig.
So a spell to suck him into a jar would SUCK HIM INTO A GOD DAMN JAR.

I'm saying Whis uses his staff to fly, he's not using his own ki or combat speed to transport them. It's why just by touching his back they travel as fast as he does when they don't scale anywhere near him.

>Almost always
There is a few exception like him or Buffed Trunks, but most of the time, if you are stronger you are also faster

We don't know how many punches he threw in a second.

>A fireball spell would burn his ass like anyone else.
Only if the fire is magically designed to burn anyone. If it's just regular fire then it won't burn Superman because normal fire cannot burn him.

See

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Enough for him to look like created a fucking force field while standing still.

Naruto characters aren’t beating DBZ characters ffs. Are superfags falseflagging as narutards or something?

And Beerus flew from very far away in a matters of minutes.
And before you try it : no, the "Db universe if little" is not canon in DBS. Jaco specifies there are plenty of galaxies

Except non-magical beings can resist or escape the mafuba. Superman also has ranged attacks he can use to destroy the jar or disrupt the user. It's also still against Goku's character to do this unless it's a super evil Superman he wants to kill or put away.

Care to actually show the feat? How far did he fly? How long did it take? Can you accurately measure the feat? Not to mention Goku doesn't scale to Beerus unless he's in spine-exploding Blanco mode.

You could do that at relativistic speeds.

>Except non-magical beings can resist or escape the mafuba.
With super strength, yeah.

So you're saying Supes wouldn't beat the spell because he has invulnerability. After all, he's not invulnerable to the spells effects. He'd beat the spell cause he has super strength. Totally different, huh?

So what's to stop him from punching away a become teddy bear spell or any other magic trying to defeat him and why does his super strength work on spells but his super defense not?

This whole bullshit sounds like coping from Supershills upset that anyone would suggest anything could ever actually harm Superman.

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No, they were faster than Dyspo who’s definitely confirmed lightspeed (even though raditz was stated to be lightspeed as well). DB characters are faster than Naruto characters

But sure, lets say we equalize speed to avoid autistic calc debates. How can Naruto characters even hurt him? Naruto definitely doesn’t have the durability to tank attacks from any DBZ/S characters

i.imgur.com/ulTHuIO.png (manga)
Casually fighting across planets with his brother

i.imgur.com/iGcxDlb.jpg (anime)
Beerus sends Whis to a different Nebula to gather Dinosaur meat and after a minute Whis gets there and after another 80 seconds Beerus gets there

There are plenty of galaxies (manga)
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>weeb is seething so hard he actually posts a pic of his moeshit seething
lmao

Not at all, I'm saying it's a spell that's been shown to literally never work and why Superman could find a flaw and exploit it before he was sucked in. If he was pulled in then yeah, he's fucked. However, I'll say the opposite; relying on the mafuba and going against Goku's character using it sounds to me like Gokucks not being able to reason why Goku wins in an actual fight so he has to rely on removing Superman from the fight

Where was Radditz stated to be lightspeed?

Kryptonite can hurt Superman despite his invunerability. Plus, there's a bunch of different kinds of the damn stuff, and they all do different, bizarre things to him that more ignorant, primitive people would regard as magic. Plus, magic can do a lot of things to people without hurting them. Turning someone into a small, weak animal doesn't hurt them, they get hurt later. And I'm not sure the Mafuba is actually a spell, it's only used by martial artists, so it probably uses ki instead of magic. I mean, can you imagine Goku trying to learn magic? He probably still thinks a book is just toilet paper in a convenient holder. He would wipe his ass with the Necronomicon.

Raikiri to the neck.

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>Only if the fire is magically designed to burn anyone. If it's just regular fire then it won't burn Superman because normal fire cannot burn him.

Exactly, there's that important distinction again. Fire made WITH magic, and fire made OF magic.

I do believe it's a dub translation error.
Characters can't be lightspeed before Buu saga
(Goku post Kaio took hours to fly million km snake road)

>moeshit
>Dungeon Meshi
>moeshit
Dungeon Meshi is a lot of things but moe it is not. IIRC they put the one of the major characters back together with dragon flesh and now she's an evil zombie chimera.

An erroneous dub-line. The same dub that claimed Kid Buu was the strongest version of Majin Buu and that Bardock was a brilliant Scientist.

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The Mafuba is explicitly magic.

*looks at Goku*
*makes him disappear*
oh no oh no no no no no but we had it all Gokubros

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I like pictures/porn of Kaguya with huge tits.

Bardock IS a brilliant scientist. By Saiyan standards. On planet Vegeta, you were considered a genius if you could count to a thousand.

It was invented by Master Mutaito, who was explicitly a martial artist, not a wizard. Not every wise old man with a beard is a wizard.

I have one where she's being banged on a sofa but don't have it on my phone.

In the English dub of the Saiyan arc.
>How can Naruto characters even hurt him
For Naruto specifically, he has the rasenshuriken which is both sheer destructive power and attacks the cells of the target; in-character Goku wouldn't know to defend every cell in his body from what appears to be a relatively weak explosive attack. Then there's the truth seeking orbs, which break down matter and energy unless they're powered by sage mode, he has multiple methods of sealing and paralyzing Goku's movements with sand-release and ink release, giving him plenty of time to overwhelm him with thousands of those attacks from every possible angle that Goku just wouldn't be able to defend from while paralyzed. As for defense he has multiple durability enhancing modes he stacks, can tank planetary attacks from the ten tails, can survive with his heart severed from his body, can survive in the vacuum of space, and can dodge with speed+precog using sage mode stacked with six paths mode (pic related, Raikage is faster than Naruto here, and is able to react to light speed. This is many tiers weaker than EoS naruto). With 2000 clones all with the same speed and precog, it's less likely Goku will get a hit in on him. In-character, Goku is fine taking it easy and playing fair, while in character Naruto uses deception and won't let himself get hit if he's fighting to win. Even if Goku manages a hit, Naruto can heal from it, and he only really needs to outlast Goku for a few minutes before he's exhausted, while Naruto can last for literal days of nonstop fighting.
Other characters that can easily kill Goku:
>Particle style from Ohnoki would obliterate him on an atomic level
>Kamui could decapitate or bisect him
>literally any sealing jutsu
>Literally any eye or sound based genjutsu
>Orochimaru's soul swap
>Rinnegan's soul-stealing
>Kaguya's All-Killing ash bones

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Characters are definitely lightspeed before buu,

>In both the manga and anime, it's been stated by Erasa that 439 East District (Gohan's former address) is over 1000 kilometers (1,000,000 meters, or 621.371 miles) away from Orange Star High School. At one point, Gohan stated that (in his base form) it would take him 20 minutes to fly from his house to the roof of the high school. If so, he would need to travel at least Mach 2.44889, or about 3000 kilometers per hour (1864.113 mph) to cover that distance.
Barely above the speed of sound by the Buu saga holy shit

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I generally agree, the problem is when. Frieza? Cell? Because determining when is important for the linear progression of the series.

>can tank planetary attacks from the ten tails
Lemme see this feat

>Doubting Bardocks scientific prowess.

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And this is why Jiren fucking sucks
Call me crazy but Auta Magetta is one of my favorite characters from Super
Why?
Because he wasn't just yet another ki blasting martial artist
He actually had a unique gimmick

But honestly, can any of them defeat Jesus Christ?

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Shazam could

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Hal Jordan stomps Goku and him and his bro Clark double team his wife Chichi.

I'm seriously still to this day waiting for concrete proof that Dragon Ball characters are lightspeed, especially pre Super.

There's some databooks confirming just the Nine Tails is planetary, but for some actual canon material here's one. In the movie The Last, the cloud village uses a chakra canon they state will destroy the moon. It's revealed that the moon is hollow later in the movie, but the characters doing this don't know so by their logic they're preparing to destroy a fully solid moon. There are 112 shinobi powering it, all of them faceless nobodies. Cont.

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Dyspo retard

Again, he's only brilliant by Planet Vegeta's standards. These are Saiyans we're talking about. They discovered fire, and went "hey, this stuff's really good at killing people!" They didn't do anything else with it until they discovered the other uses by accident.

Congrats, Dragon Ball characters have finally reached light speed by the end of super.

Kid goku was dodging lightning and lasers and reacted to tiens solar flare. There’s also Roshi in piccolo destroying the moon in like 2 seconds

>There’s also Roshi in piccolo destroying the moon in like 2 seconds

FUCK THOSE GUYS

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Instant transmission is FTL and a low level Z villain could timestop

In the war arc, Naruto uses half of the nine tails, and only that chakra, to give the entire shinobi alliance chakra. By this time the war has waged several days, and there are between 10,000-20,000 shinobi left. Before this, Naruto had given Kakashi 3 times his chakra; kakashi is a far and away above average shinobi, including his chakra levels in the war arc. And yet, when he gives the thousands of shinobi the chakra, kakashi states the amount everyone received was far more than what he'd gotten before.

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>needs 112 shinobi to destroy the fucking moon
>roshi, an old geezer did it in seconds
kek

This is very different than speed of light, also if you go near speed of light in atmosphere you make the air around you explode, magicians do quick hand movements irl and they aren't even near sound speed (whip crack), also DB characters despite all this years of content still have shit endurance and shit physical strength.

FTL travel, but Goku needs to concentrate to use it.

Gourdo or whatever his name was called was a shit tier villain, timestop isn't the same as FTL travel, especially when you can only do it for a few seconds.

Instant Transmission is instant. Just changing his X Y Z coordinates.

>This is very different than speed of light
How? It’s literally lighting and lasers.
>if you go FTL in the atmosphere the air is supposed to explode!
Good thing this is fucking fiction

Gokuturds have this much of a trouble fending off Narutards.

If you can't get out of the playground, you're not allowed to play with the adults.

Both lose to giorno

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The first one look to be small planetoids really close to each others. This series really suck ass at perspective and scale.

second is a Whis feat. He travels around with the power of his staff.

gokufaggots are so desperate thats i almost felt sorry for them

If you wish to use the moon's mass in comparison to the Earth, and say it would take about 81x the power to destroy the Earth from a moonbusting attack, it would take about 9,000 shinobi to destroy the earth; most fictional power scaling goes with this, as will I. Naruto (specifically the nine tails) gave them more than 3 times that power, and there were far more than 10,000 at that time. The ten tails is the other half of the nine tails, plus a small part of the eight tails, in addition to every other tailed beast that all possess relative chakra levels, although somewhat weaker than the nine tails. Regardless, the ten tails is immeasurably powerful compared to the nine tails (cont)

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explain me his power without sounding like a retard having a stroke

And here is the ten tails with killer intent firing an energy blast to destroy them. That explosion by the ten tails is Naruto and the eight tails blocking that blast.

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>timestop isn't the same as FTL travel
Like fuck it isn't. It's relativistically identical.

He can negate every action regardless of what it is.

>There's some databooks confirming just the Nine Tails is planetary
You mean the "turn the world into ash" one? Because that sounds like he'll just wipe the surface by wrecking each town like he was doing at the very beginning, many bad guys in fiction have these sort of statements but they're not meant to be taken as "planet goes boom"
>In the movie The Last, the cloud village uses a chakra canon they state will destroy the moon
In the same movie the Leaf Village fails to destroy a meteor so either the statement is bullshit, the cloud village is much much stronger than the leaf village or the cannon is doing most of the work

Remember playing pretend with your friends when you were six and they'd say they hit you and you'd say nu-uh times infinity?

That's his power. Nu-uh times infinity.

Even thinking?

And here is the ten tails in a form stated to be stronger than it was before using an omnidirectional attack in an attempt to destroy the shinobi alliance. Where few actually died because Naruto had used the chakra of the nine tails to protect them all. This was Naruto surviving it without the later forms and low on chakra himself

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Naruto shit isn't even Toriko tier.

No, he can only negate actions that would have physically impacted him or actions tied to what is effectively a curse he can place on someone via an attack.

>Naruto characters at maximum power are only fucking moon level
>Narutards somehow think they can fight dbz characters because of this

>his ki shook a real infinite in size

the fuck does that even mean?

No, because Rock Lee uses a kick to kick a meteor in half. Sasuke steps in and uses a regular chidori to obliterate the other half with no difficulty. Also in that movie, when toneri fails and loses the tenseigan, he starts to absorb the nine tails' power and says he'll destroy the earth using that instead. He fails because he starts to lose control by absorbing the sun's energy instead. Mind you that the upper tiers of Naruto are the same level of differences to their low tiers as DB generally is, there's nameless fodder and there's God level nonsense at the top.
100 nameless low level guys together can blow up a moon. The upper tiers are tens of thousands of times that with ease.

>Goku: Alright Giorno I'm going to power up and go all out!
>Giorno with GER: No

Wouldn't Goku get stronger every time he was returned to 0 from death by Giorno? Saiyans get powered up by surviving shit that should be fatal.

That seems like a recipe for Doomsday Goku eventually breaching the loop.

There's also the much easier feat of Kaguya creating a new time-space with the power of the shinobi alliance and the ten tails, something that Naruto powered up several times over and scales directly to. Kaguya's time spaces are physical planets and also contain at least a major solar body/sun. If you go with the anime/games/filler they possess multiple stars as well, making them minimally planetary to solar system or even Galaxy level if you really want to wank that. I go with solar system myself, it's the most consistent considering these world's show at least a star/sun, and it's in the middle without wanking or lowballing it.

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His body has to actually survive to some capacity for zenkai to activate.

What about regular Doomsday though?

The ten tails has to at least be planetoid scaling him off from Toneri alone.

Pretty sure Eda could kill both.

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>No, because Rock Lee uses a kick to kick a meteor in half. Sasuke steps in and uses a regular chidori to obliterate the other half with no difficulty.
Rock Lee had help and failed plus if Sasuke needed to intervine then it means that was the best thing the Leaf Village had to offer which puts into question the cloud village being able to blow up the moon
>he starts to absorb the nine tails' power and says he'll destroy the earth using that instead
He absorbs that and hypes up the fact that he can move the moon? That doesn't sound like he'll destroy the Earth directly but use the moon so it crashes into it, that was also the original plan iirc

That early DB level dude

No, his plan was to use the Tenseigan to crash the moon into the Earth, to wipe out most but not all life while he and Hinata rebuilt a new world. Naruto beat him, he lost the Tenseigan, lost Hinata, and he instead decided he'd destroy the world himself out of spite, using some of Naruto's chakra.

So he was just going to gently roll the moon on the surface of the planet till everyone was crushed?

I'm not debating the power in relation to DB characters in general, I'm proving through different examples that the characters are at the very least planet level in Naruto.
His initial plan was breaking up the moon and sending meteor chunks to the planet surface, which he did without having the Tenseigan. Once he had it he had the power to break apart and send the entire moon down to the planet, but he was caught up in his weird rape marriage with Hinata so it got interrupted.

Juubi did this in his prime.

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You think Isshiki at full power is at least as powerful as Kaguya?

They're at least comparable. Ishhiki is likely faster and a better fighter, able to take on Naruto and Sasuke in just a physical fight. Kaguya had more abilities but wasn't smart enough to use them as effectively as she could have.

Obsessed.

I feel like he has better tile space control because like you said hes faster, but also can open portals much faster just like adult Sasuke does

>was faster then time
But he can't punch time.
>is stronger than gods of destruction who can destroy universes
Our Worlds at War.

At the end of super goku: lost to a Superman stand-in.
Argument over. Goku canonically can't beat Superman without help.

Also keep in mind Naruto and Sasuke got stronger post-war, and he's still at least equal to if not stronger than they are.

I wouldn’t really call Jiren like Superman other than being an alien who’s strong which is pretty broad

Hey Yea Forums I'm sorry for my retarded friendcomign here so often. I'll take em back to Yea Forums now and make sure to keep them on a lease.

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Thanks for taking care of the narutards for us, seiyabro

The Pride Troopers are pretty much stand-ins/references to the Justice League. You have a cyborg, you have a speedster, you have a guy who is able to control luminous points (light), a guy who uses glowing golden whips/lassos, and their leaders are a clown and a cheerful supporter of that clown with pig-tails. Toppo is a bit tough to decide but his obsession to the point of rescinding his mortality/humanity and ascending to a god of destruction for the sake of Justice feels like a nod to the extremes Batman has gone through. Jiren being a person who is seen as so much more powerful that he stands apart from the rest of the team seems to be an analogue of Superman in some JL stories.

The only real losers in this fight are the power-level fags who can't seem to enjoy something without comparing to something else and deeming it superior

As long as you post autistic monkey vs boy scout threads every day I'll keep bringing up Naruto, Goku vs Superman is boring by now.

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Honestly an actual crossover of the two would be more interesting, like another Crisis that causes the DB characters to work alongside the Justice League. Frieza's army works alongside Mongul in an alliance that starts shaky and escalates into a greater backstabbing competition. Braniac works with Dr. Gero to create a newer, more terrifying Cell. Hit fights Reverse-Flash. Jiren fights evil/Injustice Superman/Ultraman. Some cool potential for character interaction.

that's manga goku user, not super goku

Goku surpassed Beerus who is 3/4 the speed of Whis who travels universes in minutes

>has autodoge mode that makes him untouchable
But he can't keep it up indefinitely.
>3-is stronger than gods of destruction who can destroy universes
His power output is bigger. That he is physically stronger is debatable. He doesn't have any impressive showings in that category. For all you know, Superman can squeeze him to death.
>his ki shook a real infinite in size meaning his power has no limits
His ki shook a wide radius of his surrounding area.
Here's why Superman would win.
Goku has more weaknesses.

We got too cocky Gokubros

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Does he have on-screen feats? off-screen is no good.

>captures Goku
>puts him in a bottle
>cums inside
Batman who Keks really is prepared for everything after all

He’s got magic to chain the Phantom Stranger

lol I was the one who initially brough Naruto up to the previous thread. But you did an amazing job carrying it on.

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>here's 10 reasons why OP is a fag
>1. OP sucks cocks
>2-10: see reason 1

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>Killing the Spectre
>Stomping and capturing the Phantom Stranger
>Stomping and capturing the Over Monitor
>Capturing the "Astral Brain" of the Anti Monitor
>Capturing Nix

Blanco stomped the hell out of Jiren when he wanted to harm his friends

Oh you said on screen, nevermind then

Still fits, a bit off of standard Superman but he's still the all-powerful, star of the team that the rest rely on. Then again in recent years Goku's more similar to Superman so maybe Jiren is Ultraman.

you know what i dont care if goku is stronger superman is a cooler character

>superman lifted the spectre who has infinite weight
Then he has finite weight. You can't lift infinity, especially sharing half the weight with Wonder Woman. That's bullshit.

I said on-screen feats, not off-screen ones.

>heres why my penis is tiny

>at the start of my life
>1-poor genes
>2-fapped too often and too early that I pre-ejaculate before I can even undress
>3-my teeny tiny peen causes me to pee inside myself meaning I slosh around with extra liquid
>4-this urine water retention makes me bitter and angry-ish

Shut up ugly.
No one likes you.

God was afraid of your power level, he had to give you a harder challange. You should take that as a compliment.

Then Goku can’t shake an infinite void

Explain? Goku absorbed/tanked his own Spirit Bomb to unlock UI omen. He didn't have any ki left except for the others he borrowed from.

That doesn't answer the question. And how do you shake space?

He didn't tank it, he absorbed it instinctively. Whis even says that he was using the energy of the spirit bomb to power the UIO fight with Jiren. It also didn't kill him, when the point of this was that he wouldn't get a zenkai if he was killed.

It’s called being that strong, hit the gym

Superman has been hit with Omega Beams, Antimatter blasts, and it’s even been said that he can’t be erased from history

No prob, I'll eventually finish dealing with the DBZ tards or any Yea Forumstard as well just everytime I drag a few back to Yea Forums a new tard emerges and annoys Yea Forums. That Death Battle really made an impact...

Holy shit these threads are so retarded so fuck it I'll say The Emperor wins

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