For almost 20 years Saving Private Ryan had the best battles of all time. Was it surpassed by Hacksaw Ridge?

Battle of Helm's Deep is far more interesting than this shit.
>Pew pew pew! I'mma firing muh gun!
Garbage.

HR had some pretty good battle scenes but then came up some cringy scenes like human corpse shield that ruined it
that being said, Doss was an autistic faggot since instead of saying something like "I will shoot at targets but never at human beings" he had to throw tantrums
even Hawkeye (from M.A.S.H., not Avengers you zoomer faggots) shot his pistol in the air when they were under fire once and he was as anti war and anti violence as it gets

>scene that had no impact on the movie whatsoever

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no, but OP is talking about battles specifically, and that was very out of place

>Hack slash stab! I'mma waving muh sword!

>Fantasy

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It is the most obvious example of Hacksaw Ridge’s schlocky battle scenes, which are what most people don’t like about the film.

That was a fucking curbstomp, I don't even understand why people consider that actually a battle.

Yes?

Blocks your path

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The last battle is the real Kino and it gets overlooked by the fucking beach scene

*blocks your convoy*
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ridley is so fucking based and just knows how to shoot battles

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>LotR isn't real life

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>SPR
>best battles of all times
>in competition with fucking HACK saw ridge, we wuz soldiers n shiet, Helm's deep retardation, Hippie Platoon and Shit Hawk Down

AAAAH FOR FUCK'S SAKE JUST FUCKING END YOURSELVES OR WATCH MORE FUCKING MOVIES YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING DROOLING RETARDS

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A Bridge Too Far, Apocalypse Now, Bridge at Remagen, Patton, Waterloo, Potop, Hamburger Hill, Gettysburg/Gods and Generals, even fucking Alexander are all miles beyond your fucking fantasy trash.

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Yeah, really miss his battles.
>Gladiator
>Black Hawk Down
>Kingdom of Heaven
Within 6 years the guy gave us 3 of the greatest battles of all time. Even when he's far from his best, like in Robin Hood his battles are great,

>A Bridge Too Far
I was expecting something good less known, like Tora! Tora! Tora!, The Longest Day (far better portrayal of D-Day than SPR btw), Alexander Nevsky, The Battle of Bulge, Midway, Battle of Britain, or Zulu (greatest of all time IMO), not this trainwreck

>even fucking Alexander
>not mentioning Kingdom of Heaven, Troy, Braveheart or The Last Samurai

War and Peace>Waterloo
Band of Brothers version of Market Garden>A Bridge Too Far.

can't think of all movies when you're pissed by retardation (though I don't find Battle of Bulge and Battle of Midway to be all that good honestly, they even mostly suck aside from a few nice sequences)
Tora!Tora!Tora! is definitely one of the greatest
Even All Quiet on the Western Front has better battles than anything mentioned so far.
A bridge too far is anything but a trainwreck though, it's one of the greatest movies ever made, absolutely unironically.

I really hope you're baiting with this fantasy shit.

Not really, if you're talking about the 1966 version, Borodino is indeed a really good battle but a lot less precise and accurate than Waterloo. I like the somewhat darker tone, but it was basically a giant rehersal for the director.

If you're talking about the 2016 version though I am at a loss for words (but I'm sure you aren't)

>Band of Brothers version of Market Garden>A Bridge Too Far.
How in hell though?
There are two pretty good battle sequences in that episode but absolutely nothing that comes close to any of the big sequences in A Bridge Too Far.

>Kingdom of Heaven
>fantasy
>Troy
>fantasy
>Braveheart
>fantasy
>Last Samurai
>fantasy

Waterloo had the best battles ever put on film you zoom zoom

Yes. Literal fantasy.

They were both surpassed in every way by The Thin Red Line before they even got made.

Stand aside plebs.

>that had no impact on the movie whatsoever?
I busted out laughing, which given the kind of movie it is, is a little impactful. Hacksaw Ridge in my mind is "the movie with that hilarious, over the top scene where the corpse gets shot up."

lmao
TTRL is an empty movie with shit action.

>OMG EXPLOSIONS SO EPIC

Dude, they spent on that flick four times more than in Star Wars on the very same year and still looks cheaper.
The three good things about it are Sean Conney, the parachute drop (that was indeed amazing) and Hollywood having the balls of showing a battle that the Allies lost (ok, one can argue that Tora! Tora! Tora! and Pearl Harbor did the same, but that was a surprise attack, not a fruit of American/British incompetence and German bravery). That aside, the movie is filled with hundreds of cliches and boring scenes that no one cares.

Fuck off zoomie.

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This, I almost forgot about the thin red line.

Uh, I don't see any "Fantasy" in any of them. Sure you're not thinking of 300? There's literally no fantastical event in any of them. Even Troy, originally a story about Gods and men is not fantasy, aside perhaps Nereid telling his son he will die, but that's more wisdom than anything. Hell, even Achilles says he's an ordinary man.

What the fuck kind of pseud drivel am I even reading
>looks cheaper than SW
Someone hasn't watched the original in a long time apparently
Or had his eyeballs removed, or watched a fucking yify rip.
In any case, there's a problem on your part because it looks fucking amazing.
As for your "hundreds of cliches", I'd be happy to agree, but I don't really find them anywhere.
Boring was never an argument and it still isn't. And if Sean Connery is the only good actor in this movie in your eyes, you should have actually watched it instead of spending too much time on your phone because there is not a single bad or even forgettable actor in this entire film.

It's literally fantasy. None of these movies has anything even remotely accurate in them.
It's all heavily romanticized Hollywood trash.
I could spend an hour or more enumerating the historical problems and vague inaccurracies in A Bridge Too Far, but at his core the movie still presents a pretty honest, thorough and accurate vision of Market Garden.
Braveheart, Kingdom of Heaven and the Last Samurai all belong to the same category, lying and retarded fucking drivel. Not only are the characters and events completely off, but the battles themselves don't make sense. It's pure entertainment and if you have ever opened a book on any of the events at hand (which I haven't even done about Braveheart but still) you would cringe every 30 seconds too.

>muh zommie
Fuck off, Malick pseud, this is a war movie thread, not a hippies playing with guns reunion.

>fiction is fantasy

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Still hasn't surpassed The Big Parade or The Longest Day

>I am too autistic to understand anything other than the literal meaning of words

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I undestood, you idiot, my point is that when you say a movie is "Fantasy" we're talking about Lotr, 300 and stuff like that, when we're talking about a history event that didn't happen we're talking about historical fiction. There's no reason to use "fantasy" to describe movies like Troy or Braveheart, but whatever.

there are plenty of good reasons to use the term fantasy as a pejorative word to describe ""historical"" fiction
It's barely even fiction, it's deliberate oversimplification for the sake of making it palatable to morons

>it's deliberate oversimplification for the sake of making it palatable to morons
Petersen wanted Troy to be the best movie of all time, pretty sure he was very serious on his effort.

LAY ME DUN IN THE CUL CUL GRUN

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Movies like A bridge too far, Waterloo, etc. are already hisotrical fiction, the events and characters are not 100% accurate representations, it is made fictional by the simple fact that it is a movie, with all the inaccuracies and simplifications it necessarily implies. But despite those small inaccuracies, there is a clear intention to represnet the characters and events as accurately as the medium allows.
Braveheart and shit don't reach that level because there is not even the will from the director or producers to make anything even remotely accurate. They are only taking a historical event or period and just putting standard hollywood character archetypes in place of the actual characters, and standard hollywood scenarios in place of the actual events. They are effectively travesting their standard hollywood script which could work in any setting with some historical context and (mostly inaccurate) costumes. Fantasy is a good term for that.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree, it's a very good movie overall, obviously bit dated, but very good for its time.

Troy has a bigger problem than Braveheart of Kingdom of heaven or the Last Samurai because there are basically no primary sources available on the conflict. The history of Troy is so fucking fuzzy that half of it might be legends for all we know, archeolgical evidence is so scarce that there are even controversies on the very alledged location of the city.
There's just no way to make it accurate no matter how hard you try. So making some fiction around it makes sense, sure, but, well, it is basically fantasy.

>Hacksaw Ridge?
fucking lmao

Where would you guys rate the Battle for Nanjing in The Flowers of War?

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ridley is an extremely good technical director. His problems stem from script/story/narrative stuff

"You ever seen the bathroom of the McDonalds on base? I've seen some shit, man."

>Battle for Nanjing
You mean the Rape of Nanjing?

the movie shows the actual military battle for the city. The rape comes afterwards.

alright for all I remember but I watched it around release and I wasn't that much into war movies at the time

City of Life and Death is the shit though, amazing action and terrifying atmosphere.

>Hacksaw Ridge

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hack saw ridge was terrible. If a war movie has unrealistic battle scenes than it gets a big fat F from me. same for fury, green laser bullets? fucking really? F

hacksaw ridge is a 8. would have been 10 if mel was anything more than a hired gun. the movie has 20ish producers credited. literally. mel had to do it in order to get the passion II bankrolled.

Maybe the guy he was holding was private Logan...

Didn't watch it. After experiencing combat I can't watch the hollywoodland faggots shit any more as it just makes me angry.

It's all cancer, including SPR.

what the heck am i looking at

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you don't even need to go that far, Tolkien admitted it's just pre-history Earth. Eru is YHWH, Jesus eventually dies for our sins, etc.

Fantastic taste, user

This is the kind of shit I want to see in a 40k adaption

this

holy kek my sides. who thought this was a good idea