Were where you when the became a more powerful representation of freedom and justice than Superman or Batman?

>Supes was explicitly left wing.
That's an issue too, people like Joker because he has no political affiliation, he realizes all sides are corrupt.

You can't defy corruption while siding with one side of a completely corrupt institution, pretty sure one of the biggest pedophile cases to be exposed recently was a leftist.

The hero we fucking deserve.

That can be true in the comics, sure, but most people don't read comics. Most people when they think of Superman they stop at "that super-powerful guy gets the chick"and that's it. The "SUPER" thing is what calls their attention. Superman's for jocks and and hunks to show themselves off.

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>Were where you when the became a more powerful representation of freedom and justice than Superman or Batman?
It's not so much freedom and justice as it is burn it to the ground despair.

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Look at this dogfucker. Just not a single fuck to give about anything.

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Clown world confirmed

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>Superman is just a brand, though

You mean like Joker?

Ooh ant Superman

Sexy asian clown of evil.

Shit's popping up everywhere.

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Could have just as easily been cobra trooper masks, but they dont know about gijoe.

Joker paint is just a testament to how well know dc is

This holy shit. It's this genetation's fight club. Nobody understood lil Arthur.

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You just know things are bad when clowns are considered heroes.

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Batman's a rich dude and Superman's physically perfect. The Joker came to represent all the powerless and maladjusted individual and there's a lot more of them then the former.

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Alright what about comic clown price of crime boss joker?

"prince" my bad

gamers rise up but unironically

Between all sexes, genders, and ages. Everyone found themselves in the character.

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fuck I wish it was cobra trooper masks
my inner /fa/ and /k/ demand it

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Obviously it will take outside media to change Supes’ perception, I don’t dispute that.
>Joker
>Centrist
The Waynes are evil and the cutting of social programs is what causes Arthur to stop taking his medicine and go off the deep end. The Joker May be an evil piece of shit but the movie feels pretty pro left to me

It's less that the Joker is centrist and more that he doesn't appear on the political spectrum at all.

I still think that Superman as he is right now is a poor fit for any representation of hope, freedom, or whatever have you.
You simple can't escape the fact that he had a good upbringing, had good education, is physically perfect, and is capable of fixing shit easily. People might identify somewhat with Clark Kent, if they really lay on how meek and troubled he is like the 70's movies did, but Superman not at all.

This is the Type of person that hates the Old Guard the old world m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOeydiNxwBE

what a time to be alive

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Golden age Superman was perfect because there was little about him other than the fact that he was pissed off as fuck about the state of society and was ready to tear shit up for the benefit of those less fortunate. It captured the anger of the common folk.

What flag is that that he's holding?

Chile, i think?

Honestly I consider the movie's message to be "politics like comedy is subjective". There are plenty of ways to interpret the movie and the characters in it. One could call the movie pro-left/pro-right all they want, the only real idea is that interpreting everything though one viewpoint and trying to enforce that viewpoint on others is bad. The world is a subjective place where it turns monsters into symbols of resistance and freedom, and rich altruistic families into symbols of oppression and eventually targets of frustration and anger.

more like Gi Joker

I’d agree with you in regards to a Superman who grew up as the high school football champ and has the Kents alive up to the present day. But that’s why I prefer Clark to be an outcast nerd in his youth and for the Kents to be dead. Not every hero needs a tragedy but Superman works better when he’s had a ton of bad shit thrown his way and doesn’t let it make him an asshole like Batman or a neurotic mess like Spider-Man.

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Superman was someone to look up to, an ideal to aspire to. Joker, I think, is an exploration of why a lot of people don’t do that any more. The people Joker’s society (and by extension, ours) expects people to look up to and admire aren’t worthy of it.

I still hate Morrison for paying lip service to the whole "Bruce Springsteen" thing. He gave us the golden age Superman for like three issues tops, before going for his usual silver age masturbation.

let the world burn. whatever grows from it's ashes will for a short time be better than what we've got now.
then the cycle will spin again.

If I hear one more Joker 2 pitch that involves Harley Quinn, I swear I’m going to fucking society someone.

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Sadly this is all execs know.
Make a sleeper hit that's unique, theorize that they could do better if they load it with memes, pop culture and references from their other works, ruin it and do it again when they get another unique sleeper hit.

>Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
I was trying to come up with a clever reversal of this line such that it would apply to the Joker, but the lien never made sense.

Eh, it does to me.

Gotham (and us by extension) needs a clown to make everyone see how fucked up things are, but Gotham (and us, again) are inherently decent and deserve better than that deep down and in the long run even if we *need right now* the hard societal bitchsmack Joker would provide.

Movie Joker is just more relatable than a billionaire vigilante or a flying man from space.

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>your best is left wing
>your worst is right wing

what a stinky post.

In Brazil there was a literal death-wing comprised of ex-cops, firefighters, politicians and so on called the Justice League, and their leader was nicknamed Batman.

Damn, Cuasón making the waves.

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it's happening.

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But that's not the Joker.

stop trying to make "Superman" happen, it's not going to happen

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kino

>(CNN)In cities around the world, among the sea of demonstrators who have taken to the streets, one image has stood out: the stark white face and creepy red grin of the Joker.
>Artists in Lebanon and Iraq invoked the character on posters or edited him into images on social media.
Someone spray-painted "we are all clowns" onto a statue in Santiago, Chile.
>And in Hong Kong, protesters dressed as the Joker as an act of protest in itself, defying a government ban on face masks and face coverings during public gatherings.
>Their causes are different, their grievances varied. Proposed austerity measures. Threats to democratic freedoms. Deepening inequalities between ordinary citizens and the ruling elite.
>So why are some protesters in Lebanon, Iraq, Chile, Bolivia, Hong Kong and Spain taking inspiration from a psychopathic killer from a controversial film?

edition.cnn.com/2019/11/03/world/joker-global-protests-trnd/index.html

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I mean it does go to show how stupid the protesters are when they use an obvious villain as a mascot for their "fight against oppression".

>"The Joker is us," Lebanese street artist Mohamed Kabbani told CNN. "... Beirut is the new Gotham City."

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why isn't it, the movie clearly resonated with them. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why but you can't expect something like CNN to put critical thinking into it.

>Gotham (and us, again) are inherently decent
>us
>decent
This is Yea Forums, friendo. You need to go to the normalfag internet for """"""""decency""""""""

>Freedom and Justice
>Goes around killing random people

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That's a G, you illiterate fuck.

Liberating people from the shell they're trapped in.

some Lebanese breakaway state or something

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It could work if they get Rooney to play Harley

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I just want to believe that protesters donning Joker makeup are either just trying to fuck with face recognition software or shitposting because otherwise it's impressive how hard they missed the point of the movie

a symbol to losers then, fitting

Joker face paint is the new Guy Fawkes mask

Which is?

Joker's a movie about a broken man lashing out at the world and how everyone on every side wants it to mean something grander than that when it just doesn't.

The last moment Arthur isn't Arthur anymore isn't when he shoots Murray, it's when everyone treats him as their hero in the riots and he realizes despite pouring his heart out on live TV nobody listened.

Japan has gone too far this time!

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Ba da ba ba ba
I'm lovin' it

Is that a porn parody?

Well, it's porn.
Parody might not be the right word.

Am I reading that as BDA-111 correctly? My eyes aren't what they used to be.

[BDA-111] Clown Woman Yui Hatano

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This is not the society I wanted to live in.

JESUS CHRIST THIS CANNOT BE FUCKING REAL

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This is not the Yui Hatano I know and love

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>Major democrat and minor pub donor
>leftist
>major democrat donor
>leftist
>major democrat
>leftist
Even if Bill never fucked any of Epstein's girls on the plane he and Hillary would have had to have known what he was up to and never tried to stop him. This is why I hate the Clintons.

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>nobody listened
A family friendly "comedian" made fun of a mentally ill man doing stand up and brought him on the show to milk him some more. Arthur is angry to have been used and betrayed by his idol. The people who were happy to see the wall street frat bros killed now have a face to place their gratitude towards. His act of murdering a simp a supporter of the establishment on live T.V. for using him was the message.

Were you on Reagan's side in DKR

Feel like I've seen this before...

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Spoiled western liberal. Someone standing against an authoritarian government can wear whatever they want.

Your sensibilities don't matter, and they show more courage than you will ever have.

(You)

It does make some sense though. It's been scientifically proven that clown makeup screws with facial recognition software.

I always liked playing as Drumstick in DKR.

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Superman represents the fantasy of making the world a better place.

Gen Z wants to do it themselves, for themselves, because the previous generations either did nothing due to malaise or kade shit worse and don’t care.

The problem is no character with an easy iconic look like that went mainstream without being an edgelord.

Based Joe Kerr

We've always been in Clown World.
>people with multicoloured hair
>men dressed as women
>women growing beards and posing as men
>Fat positivity in lui of exercising
>gun violins, knife violins, suspending the disbelief that a specific group of people cause the majority
>media profiting off of others misfortune.
>parents entertaining an audience as they introduce their LGBTQ+ 4 year old

And isnt it funny how people began calling out the world for what it is? And all it too was a character flimsier loosely based on a comic villain. Oh I'm laughin

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Just like how V for Vendetta’s Guy Fawkes did?

I think they know they're eventually going to lose so it makes sense to choose this as a symbol to go down fighting.

Unironically, I blame Reddit. Or more specifically, r/gamingcirclejerk. They were the ones who created and spammed that "gamers rise up" meme on Yea Forums in the first place, and look what happened.

All this was because a bunch of circlejerkers on Reddit who wantee to mock gamers. Was it worth it?

>an obvious villain
Who was completely right

>Joker's a movie about a broken man lashing out at the world and how everyone on every side wants it to mean something grander than that when it just doesn't.
What do you think the protestors are doing?
This isn't "ooh someone might oppress me and make it harder for me to get a job" protestors this is "if I speak out with my real name and face thugs will probably kill me in the middle of the night" protestors who are fighting actual, real oppression. No shit they identify with the movie, it's probably the closest thing to counter establishment rhetoric they've seen in a decade.

So in the end, we rose up?

Based. Truly we live ina society

And now they cannot stand the fact that the Joker movie became a hit because of their meme. Without it, the news would never have created that scare.

>Were where you
Living in a society

Childhood is idolizing Batman, adulthood is realizing the Joker makes more cents
youtu.be/iZm9ms_6jzI

more hi res pics pls, I like these visuals

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Can't wait for someone to dress up as Batman and beat the shit out of them like in 2016

>oh NO why aren't they wearing MY FAVORITE CAPESHIT CHARACTER!!! Buy this brand!!! Not that brand!!!!

>implying someone needs to be a neurotic mess in order to be inspirational

based
el Guasón fights for FREEDOM

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It's more like, the Joker wasn't even remotely a figure to idolize until We Live In a Society happened. Superman is supposed to be all about hope and helping people and that kind of thing, and was originally the exact social justice (real kind, not SJW social justice) figure that the Joker is becoming by accident.

Superman and Batman are inherently counter-revolutionary figures.

At home, wishing for these people to get beaten down by whatever dictator is in charge because of their stupidity
Alternative it just shows how creativity bankrupt they are if they can't come up with some banner of their own.

I'm hoping I find the ability to laugh again as more of the world becomes a fucking three-ring circus chock-full of clowns.

Because we live in a fucking society

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That awful subreddit got what it deserved

Kino

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To be fair, the reason the Chinese are doing it is because it fucks with facial recognition software. Meaning that when they put on the makeup, they can do whatever they want without fear that, next day, they're going to get bundled into a black van and beaten to death.

>It's like we're literally living in the world of Wanted.
In case you haven't noticed, we are.

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Superman doesn't represent shit but branding and maybe power;

>That feel when you lived long enough to see yourself become the villain

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>Jokerz are becoming reality
Where's Batman when you need him?!

Establishment has led the common man down. If things wont get better soon, the only inevitable path is the path of revolution, anarchy and violence.

sucking Gordon's dick

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So what's the context behind the people using the facepaint? To be like le epic Guy Fawkes masked anarchists from yesteryear?

Pretty much. Also the clown face paint fools facial recognition cameras and are not illegal like face scarfs in countries like China and Iran.

Gotcha, it's kind of funny that juggalos were way ahead of the curve in defeating smart surveillance tech.

We all wear masks. Metaphorically speaking.

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You kidding? After how her movie failed? Joker 2 will obviously have Punchline.

>actual Jokerz gang irl
Schway

>Superman effects change through super powers.
>Batman effects change through gadgets purchased with his wealth.
>Arthur Fleck effects change with a gun and a smile.
Which one of these is a real, practical option to protestors?

>Protesters all over the world now paint his face to empower themselves
those people entirely missed the point then

>no political affiliation
>centrist
He's an anarchist. That's not the same thing.

>The Waynes are evil
no they fucking weren't
the worst thing you could say about them is they were out of touch

>surprised that the skull-faced man with the swastika shirt was a nazi
Joker knows not to judge a book by its cover.

Why do normies always take the wrong message from these characters.

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BLOW IT ALL UP
youtube.com/watch?v=MduM0SCXlqM

Not trying to dismiss its significance in a smug fashion, but in all due honesty anyone who knows anything about human history knows the jester has always been a symbol of rebuke of order.

Most know the court jester as merely the designated entertainment for the elite, few know that it was also often the solitary right for a jester to make a mockery of the elite circle without (severe) punishment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester#Political_significance
The anti-thesis of the whipping boy, who while we're all projecting and philosophy armchair leaning I may as well equate with how narratives and readers treat the hero/protagonist whenever they don't succeed or refrain from doing some action due to personal reasons and the story insists somehow that this sole individual is responsible for society's failures and lack of inhibitions.

So, surprising to no one who knows the history of creative writing and how there are no new ideas under the sun, a lot of these things we see surfacing stem from tales and behaviors as old as antiquity.

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Unironically based
Really love seeing audiences resonate so much with the movie, and yes with the movie. It isn't the Joker character that did it but the movie itself it was just the perfect storm that the protag was already such a popular character.

>manufactured outrage
>over a manufactured virus
>in a nation known for manufacturing
>manufactures a movement
>out of a media entity, manufactured (and sold to them)
>by the same people who manufactured their woes
>to manufacture political talking points & reign in voters

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You're kidding yourself if you think China actually wanted any of this shit

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You're the biggest joke of all if you dont think China kicks around Hong Kong because its profitable to keep the outrage going. They direct the discord, they incite the riots, then they write the history books and blame it on America. All the fresh Chinese after, who will be wealthy and educated, will read the text because they weren't there and very carefully peel themselves from western influences and stick to slaving away in China.

What message do you think people were supposed to take from Joker? He's not a hero or a villain, he's just a product of the shit society and circumstances he grew up in. You can see how that appeals to protesters who think their society is shit.

China has become the world's laughing stock, for a nation that likes to remain nice and quiet this is the last thing they want

Like the comucs Joker, his "real" name/self is unknown. Arthur Fleck was a name & identity forced on him by tge crazy adoptive mother.

Why do people shit on Millar? He's not wrong, the entire entertainment industry is meant to distract us from the shittiness of life

>entire entertainment industry is meant to distract us from the shittiness of life
It's meant to make money. Life is shitty because big corporations and our peers have us believe we need to slave away for them so we can buy things from other big corporations. Our materialism is making us unhappy, and big corporations seek to make us feel that way and want us to attempt to fill that hole by buying more stuff. People don't hate Millar's messages, so much as his edginess.

Its not so much a message as people disguising their faces with the visage of someone who was chewed up by the society they lived in.

This is just protesters wearing Guy Fawks masks again.

Who doesn't know the bit about Jesters being allowed to talk shit about the king? Are people that ignorant.

Reminder ONLY DC can pull this off.
You don't see green screen CGI Universe doing this.

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Yeah, well. That won't last long I don't think.

Send in the clowns...

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Based, I never managed to unlock him.

How?

>there haven't been any riots for months, how do we keep the social unrest going?
>easy, we fabricate a designer virus, release it on our own citizens, completely crippling our industrial economy as the quarantines keep people from working, and diminishing our standing in the eyes of the world ever further as our virus spreads abroad, and then organize protests against our poor handling of our own virus featuring an American cartoon villain from a recently popular movie
>that sounds really complicated and expensive, couldn't we just do another Tiananmen?
>no

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richfags about to get what they fucking deserve

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Conspiracyfags are pathetic, they have to have EVERYTHING tied up in one neat little package with a single obvious villain behind various disparate events.

Its apt to see them posting on a board about superhero comics.

Fascism is left wing though.

Bah, Life is more varied than being able to list things as 'right wing' or 'left wing' like it was Good or Evil. America is fucked because of the two party system causing & reinforcing such a heavily ingrained tribal mindset.

Literally the opposite but not try kid

Most humans have a sense of evil in them.

Except me.

Fascism is neither left wing nor right wing, it is both

Do people around the world still give a shit about what's going on in Hong Kong? I thought we moved on to coronavirus as the hot news item from China that we should be concerned about for whatever reason. The Middle East is a fuckfest on its best days, and France has gone through a million revolutions already, if it wasn't Joker's face it'd be some other asshole's face or insignia they'd be wearing.

What are you talking about? The left wing dont fight against billionaires. They're full of billionares themselves. Clintons were super rich and insanely corrupt. You got Bernie with his fancy cars and nice house and millions of dollars to endorse a corrupt canidate.
Not to say that Republicans dont have billionaires, but man, youre looking at things politically, like a junior high kid.

>The left wing dont fight against billionaires
>They're full of billionares themselves
Yes, I distinctly remember all those billionaire peasants who fought the Russian and Cuban revolutions.

A lot of the left wing here in the USA are upperclass, in NY especially. Also in California. Theyre actors, models, businessmen.
The stereotype of the farmer being a conservative exists because most working class individuals in the USA are right wingers.

Obviously im not saying all farmers are right wing, or all actors/ rich are leftists, but your acting like the left in modern times are still 100% of the people, for the people, and thats total bullshit.

Isnt brexit an example of the more traditional/conservative people fighting against a tyranical leftist power? One of the issues brexiteers fight against is forced migration, and leftists here and in the UK are very pro-open borders.

joker gets shit done
batman just puts him back in the institution hoping that government will take care of the problem (they won't)

and here comes the classic Yea Forums contrariarism about stuff that got popular

nevermind that Yea Forums popularized the gamers rising up in the first place

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Batman doesn't have to kill the Joker, but its entirely his fault when Bats goes out of his way to save the Clown's life and let him continue his bullshit.

Yes.

>Isnt brexit an example of the more traditional/conservative people fighting against a tyranical leftist power?
No. I am a Bonglander and I can tell you that Brexit was won by two separate voting blocs, traditionally left-leaning socialist Labour voters outside London whose areas had seen none of the touted economic benefits of being in the EU, and rural Tory voting nationalist conservatives who hate the EU because muh foreigners.

There's a full spectrum. The people you're talking about are well off middle class social liberals. This doesn't mean poor, working class economic leftists don't exist. You're also talking to multiple people.

>Isnt brexit an example of the more traditional/conservative people fighting against a tyranical leftist power
A more proper example would be the most embarrassing defeat of the Labour Party recently. Analysts pretty much agree that it was due to the growing divorce between the upper-class leftists and old-school leftists, which is an ongoing phenomenon in many countries worldwide.

Isn't it funny how cloun would to Arthur/the Joker is a society that doesn't care about the welfare of its citizens and leaves them to starve and rot when they need to cut loose ends- and clown world to you is just eww gay people kissing and doing things you find icky?
You're as much part of the problem as people overly vocal and focused on that sort of thing.

Wasn't Morrison's Batman about how The Joker is a viral identity/thought pattern that was going to get out and infect the real world?

Here, feeling proud to be a DCfag.

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>why are you unhappy with real things that don't bother me instead of things that do in a fictional film?

Morrison is a palmfucker

a gay dominatrix fucking a mexican immigrant bf with a strap on isn't "real things." If Joker had a mental breakdown because he a girl with purple colored hair we'd be reacting to a very different film.

The irony being that Corbyn was the most traditional left leader Labour have had in decades, but it was an incredibly Brexit dominated election and Labour's traditional working class voters were pro-Brexit. Now Labour's just going to get another middle class liberal leader again who probably won't appeal to them either.

The most interesting thing to me though is that now the Tories have won those traditionally left leaning voters, they're going to have to invest in their constituencies if they want to keep them. Which means the Tories adopting a more traditionally left wing position of high government spending, which in turn is alienating their fiscally conservative supporters. It will be an interesting time.

BJ did make a number of statements about how many former labour voters "lent" the Tories their votes, so maybe they're not even planning on trying to keep them.

>a gay dominatrix fucking a mexican immigrant bf with a strap on
????

Fuck Superman he has never inspired anyone to do anything. Joker speaks to people who have been fucked over by society, a society Superman wound rather see never change.

>Gay people are a real problem that bothers me
>Decrepit social support structures and a crumbling social contract don't

Grow up, man. Look out at the world and try and learn some history while you are at it

>transvestites with sex-crime convictions specifically seeking access to children
>men posing as women beating up women in physical-contact sports
>this all makes sense
>everything is fine

Both of these characters, and all major superheroes for that matter, are just corporate products. Just because DC says Superman is an inspiration doesn't mean it's true. And it's not a bad that that he's not popular anymore. I don't understand people making Superman out to be this all important symbol of humanity, or some great masterpiece of art. He's a children's character that hasn't been popular with children since the 70s and the only reason he's still being published at all is because a greedy corporation screwed over his creators and stole all the profit from them. People don't read comics, and all his other media featuring him has been subpar for the past 20 years. The only reason people are talking about Joker is because a movie that rewrote him as a sympathetic character with a lot of anti-establishment themes came out at the right time and was realty successful. Stop treating Superman's lack of popularity as some sign of societal decline, it's really just a sign of corporate mismanagement of their stolen IP.

t. MCUck

Yes I agree the first two things you stated are bad and shouldn't be happening, but what does that have to do with endemic structural problems in major world governments?

Once, Superman _did_ oppose war profiteers, raze slums, and build better housing.
A little of that lingered into the '50s, if only in the form of public service announcements on pages which would otherwise have gone blank; that is, no skin off corporate noses.

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>endemic structural problems in major world governments
You mean the failure of socialism?

Its just a current trend, stop acting so obnoxiously.
Its the same thing as Guy masks.

>Clown World is real
Meme magic is real and I'm not sure how to feel about that.

Corporate socialism, yes.

It's specifically neoliberalism actually.

she looks like she really just wants to do give Xi what he fucking deserves

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It's funny when art imitates reality, but it's even funnier when reality starts imitating art.

Yeah, NOW, faggot. And neither did Joker until last year.

>NOW
For the longest time, pal.

Superman represents a drive to be better and a willingness to help those below you.

No, he represents wanting to be super. It's why all the muscleheads wear his tshirts.

Hell, if that's the case, then they're both just big brands. Joker just got lucky.

Historical cultures are pretty niche. I only know it because of the naysmith bit in 40k.

Asian Jerma

I think the real plot hole in most Batman stories is why Bullock doesn't kill the Joker. He's dirty enough to think of it, but not so dirty that a mass-murdering crime clown could buy him.