This was actually a pretty good episode...

The dude has a show where he has a team of researchers and writers doing everything for him, for which he is the mouth piece, on his own he doesn't know shit.
Its great for people to massage their confirmation bias like this idiot

Adam really does ruin everything. When he speaks on a subject, I always lose interest.

who the fuck is he and why the fuck does he get to do a show on joe pushing the tranny agenda?

Based

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Not smug? Never seen his show but we we watching the same podcast? Also the way he kept saying TRANS FOLKS was cringe.

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He doesn't believe there are alpha males because he's never been around other men. [Spoiler]there are alpha women too[/spoiler]

And now you're shilling his love for men who change their genders so they can be accepted largely by other men who also change their gender from one with a small penis to one with a make shift pussy.

Really what are you trying to do? What is your agenda OP? What are you trying to prove? What's your point?

>Claim alpha males don't exist in nature
>All primates quite literally have them
>Gorillas, which are the primates more closely related to humans, even have alpha males in an all-male pack
Ah yes, top-notch team of researchers.

You sound like a fucking retard

[Spoiler]he hears words on a screen[/spoiler]

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JFK did it a lot. Who cares, faggot? Maybe people should develop their thoughts before they curate their speech to please society.
Whiny crowd today.

They knew. They just lie about it because they have no morals.

People disliked him even stronger because behind the arrogant mouth piece he is portrayed as on his show, behind the facade and scripted episodes, he comes off as someone who has never had to seriously put thought into his beliefs and how he would handle those beliefs being challenged.

Several times on the show, Joe would ask him a very simple leading question about something Adam proposed and he would immediately back away from the confrontation. He really just came off as a huge pussy that had very little to no foundation for his belief system, and more of a product of SJW thinktanks

Who would've thunk that Yea Forums/Joe's audience would immediately hate him

who is that

Well hopefully he takes some of the things Joe called him out for. He listened to what Joe had to say and even agreed that he wasn't informed enough to make statements. He really wasn't as bad as he makes himself look on tv.

Considering Joe has the interviewing skills of a toddler with ADD it's remarkable that Adam was so easily stumped. But I guess when you sell out and become a mouthpiece for trendy media companies there's no room in your head for original thoughts anymore.

That Adam faggot is a complete moron

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Yup, that's what I noticed the most. Even if Joe didn't have all the research, he gave HIS opinion on the matter and based on his life experiences and knowledge, concluding what makes most sense to him. The thing about Adam is that he doesn't even have his own opinion. His opinion is derived from other peoples opinion, with those other people having a very obvious bias. It's almost like Joe asking Adam if he like sports, and Adam goes on to talk about how great football is and how it's a fun game, despite never having played it, or even watched it. But his really good friend watches football and he likes it a lot so their opinion must be right, and thus regurgitated by Adam as his own opinion.

Reminds me of Bill Burr humiliating that H3H3 guy. Without a script and editing these internet dudes are lost

Joe pointed out how weird it was for him to not have guy friends. He's probably just completely unchallenged by his peers who are mostly women and the lack of hierarchical fight in his social life has led him to be locked in an echochamber of sorts. Half of being a man is telling your friends to get their shit together and he doesn't have that. Pity

>Considering Joe has the interviewing skills of a toddler with ADD
Actually he's very good at follow-up questions. He's BTFO'd several guests like David Rubin and Candace Owens just with simple questions

>Actually he's very good at follow-up questions
"wow, really??"

It's NPC logic. Just steal everyone else's opinions because it's safe.

Did JFK say "right?" to reaffirm every point he presented? No. Plus, JFK was a degenerate faggot any way

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>[Spoiler]he hears words on a screen[/spoiler]

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>JFK did it a lot. Who cares, faggot? Maybe people should develop their thoughts before they curate their speech to please society.
> (You)
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>Whiny crowd today.
You'd think a guy as enthusiastic about Trans would know more about them.

even if he "knew" what he was talking about its literally impossible to explain that you actually believe 8 year olds should be able to consent to changing their gender and altering themselves for life without sounding like a complete freak

its not a defensible position

Yup, I have both a small group of female friends, and male friends, and the female friends NEVER challenge what I say. And when I challenge what they say, which I can't really help but do, they get all pissed off because I'm being "argumentative". While with my guy friends, every other thing I say is challenged. Which is actually really fucking annoying, especially when they say "whats your source on that?". Dude I read about it two years ago and it wasn't even a subject I cared that much about, fuck off, this is a friendly chat about something, not a goddamn class debate where you have to source everything for proper grades. I know I sure as hell don't ask for a source when they say something because that's a real quick way to kill a conversation.

alpha males don't exist in humans.
Thats a valid theory since humans dont work the same way as animals.
For example humans are an apex predator yet theres billions of us that doesnt fit any ecosystem model for any other species.

>alpha males don't exist in humans
Spotted the beta.

>Who would've thunk that Yea Forums/Joe's audience would immediately hate him

these are advertising threads so the shills don't shit on the guests

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>alpha males don't exist in humans.
>Thats a valid theory since humans dont work the same way as animals.
>For example humans are an apex predator yet theres billions of us that doesnt fit any ecosystem model for any other species.
Sure in the field we all have our strengths and weaknesses but go to a party and it instantly becomes apparent who the alphas and betas are.

They argued they don't exist in any animal society, did you not watch the video? They even said wolves don't have them even though they actually DO.
Also all hunter-gatherer societies revolved around alpha males, this is first grade shit nigger.
>The egalitarianism typical of human hunters and gatherers is never total, but is striking when viewed in an evolutionary context. One of humanity's two closest primate relatives, chimpanzees, are anything but egalitarian, forming themselves into hierarchies that are often dominated by an alpha male.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer

the entire theory falls apart when you pit twenty "alphas" in one room
The whole point of alpha theory is there is only one per pack.

>we all have our strengths and weaknesses but go to a party and it instantly becomes apparent who the alphas and betas are.

or just watch joe rogans video

humans arent chimps you nigger.

It's only impossible if you think the argument of 'we've been studying this for 30 years, have nearly 50 years of study and case studies related to the use of hormone blockers and psychiatric and medical consensus that these reduce dysphoria and thus suicide rates' is bad. Children don't have to consent to care, it's completely up to their guardian and the medical professional that administers the treatment. I'm not specifically in this field, but I've worked on case studies gauging GnRHa effects on children and they're about as harmless as medicine comes.

Legitimately, if you dislike the hormone blocker stuff or trans things in general, you aren't going to win if you base it on a science argument. You've got to go straight up cultural if you want to win that debate.

1 in 20
but there is in any large group a very small proportion of alpha individuals of such high dominance that they dominate even the dominant. These are the Napoleons and Hitlers.

wrong what happens is there is no alphas. 20 alphas cant be alphas if the are in a group setting they are no longer alphas

dilate

Cope with being anti-science.

its aproximated.
it happens in a the majority of animals, some animals /persons have more drive, determination, strenght and ability to lead. are u saying those leaders arent real?

You dont think alphas compete for dominance?
You dont think there are alpha women?

You think a "room of alphas" would just cooperate and get along? Maybe...but you can be damn sure that once a woman appears all bets are off.

Humans are different than other pack animals only in this regard. Leaders and followers may not necessarily reveal themselves in the acquisition of things needed to survive but when it comes to social acceptance and gatherings, like parties, suddenly what seems like dominant behavior at work is completely different than dominant behavior at a party. If you think women aren't watching the males at a party or any social gathering you're deluding yourself.

Alphas/betas/omegas may not necessarily mean a huge difference when individual survival is being considered but once people come together as a community the differences become more apparent. An alpha isnt just dominant, it's a leader. Two alphas in the same room, human alphas will not follow one another to impress a woman. They will compete incessantly for her approval until she's ready to make a choice. This isnt learned.

Betas do have to learn. And omegas are especially challenged in this regard.

Tldr
Go to a party. Even if alpha men dont exist, women will still be attracted to them.

leaders in human society arent exactly alphas by animal comparison.
You are being a circular logic idiot.
As pointed out humans =/= animals we are extremely different.

I don't know who this guy is but he made Joe Rogan look like a mental giant

the whole "i'm not an expert" was just damage control so he could let out his progressive bullshit without being taken too seriously or offending anyone
i commend him for actually getting on the podcast though and defending it. usually they know intrinsically that they're wrong and would rather only speak in echo chambers

Take a legal stance then.

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Love this non-sequitor garbage used for forum sliding
It feels like 2004 again

Who was the worst guest that Joe has had?
I'm going to have to go with that like Bari Weiss.

> (OP)
>I don't know who this guy is but he made Joe Rogan look like a mental giant
Which is funny. I've seen some silly jr clips

why are there so many of you idiots on here lately.
The original point was humans are not like animals. So compraisons to animal behaviour dom't fit.
This evident to anyone with a brain.

He's a woke idiot. Rogan is willing to listen to anyone.

Oh shut up, if it weren't for these fancy language skills we have we'd be at each others throats purely on non-verbal communication

/tvpol/ still seething lmao

shes up there
the young turks were pretty bad as well
speaking of that, graham hancock is a pseud too, but he can tell a fun story.

user humans arent chimps. We have big brains. Theres lots of us. we arent strong.
The only reason humans are the apex predator is they are smarter than all the other animals otherwise we are just prey. Most paradoxical animal on the planet.
That was the point of the post billions of humans but they are all apex predators it doesnt fit normal animal food chains.
This is little school level education.

>leaders in human society arent exactly alphas by animal comparison
and they share the same qualities,
and women are sexually attracted to those qualities

yeah isnt the same since the natural selection is less and less preponderant

but humans were like this not so long ago, hell some indigenous tribes are still like that,

> (You)
>why are there so many of you idiots on here lately.
>The original point was humans are not like animals. So compraisons to animal behaviour dom't fit.
>This evident to anyone with a brain.
The original point Adam made was that women want alphas but alphas dont exist.

Don't call me an idiot.

Even if alphas supposedly "Don't exist", someone has to fill that void to convince a woman that he is alpha in order for the species to survive.

This is what makes humans different than other animals. Survival is based on social gatherings rather than things like physical dominance. Social includes things like class and background too.

yeah we're seething at this
youtube.com/watch?v=OwAGdZKLMCc

Ah a passive agressive bitch, come here and let me borrow an eye or two

Adam ruins everything has a couple good episodes and the rest is just straight up distorted facts and zog brainwashing that panders to SJWs
I wouldn't expect any less from someone that worked at collegehumor though

tard.

im calling you an idiot because you are doing the "ill make up your argument for you" shit idiots keep doing on here lately.
Fuck off with your retard bullshit.

user if humans actually had alphas like animals they be like 200kg gorillas that can lift a car over their head.

See, if this encounter played out irl the police (alphas) would intervene and crush my skull open.

Actually wolf packs are dominated by an alpha couple.

> (You)
>im calling you an idiot because you are doing the "ill make up your argument for you" shit idiots keep doing on here lately.
>Fuck off with your retard bullshit.
Don't call me an idiot bro

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Chad Wolf & Trad Wolfette?

>no arguments
kek, talk about BTFO

>uhhh...ummmm....uhhh.....well....ummm...uhhh...well....ummm...I'm not an expert but ummmm...well.....uhhh

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user most high status people in human society are out of shape, not attractive, not even certain if they are bright.
They inherit wealth.
So "alpha"

Would you turn your child into a boy if she were born a girl?

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I think you finally solved the Merry Dilemma

They dont do that and yet there are people out there that need to be told what to think

>shifting goalposts because he got BTFO
lmao

Adam is a BUM. He struggled to hold his own with Joe who doesn't even pressure people.

It's a sign of lying too.

because the natural selection is less and less preponderant, the slob who inherits the weal th e from an alpha.

btw true alpha leaders like trump or el chapo guzman have the ability to get what they need/want for him and his group, they dont need to be 200kg gorrilas, they can inflict pain, death or even save and protect thousands of people,

Can you please show me the studies regarding this information?
I would like to research it during some free time.

I wasn't arguing with him/her. He just said a scientific argument and a moral argument wouldn't work. I simply suggested maybe a legal one would. He was cycling through goal posts the whole time. I just added another one.

Joe was even using his calm voice during the whole show so he wouldn't scare Adam

ok retard

journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/suppression-puberty-transgender-children/2010-08

The important bit is this

Children with GID can be said to have another type of incorrect puberty and therefore qualify for GnRH agonist treatment. Research has shown that suppression of puberty is safe, causing minimal side effects [6]. If parents become concerned about this treatment, they can safely and easily stop treatment and allow development to restart normally in the biological sex.

Basically if the child changes their mind they can just stop the treatment and go on as their biological sex. This is all done after years of continuous therapy. You don't just suddenly decide to block your childrens puberty because they dressed up as a girl or a boy once.

Joe has a strong and very educated opinion when it comes to trannies after seeing first hand a tranny rag doll a female MMA fighter then getting SJW backlash after talking about it.

Wouldn't this cause a number of skeletal and muscle problems later in life?
I assume early body development is dependent on hormone levels.

You're right Joe was coming from a position of knowledge but Adam was a complete dunce. He hasn't been out of his leftist bubble for years and gets extreme editing on his show.

Trans kids still go through a form of puberty, it's just supplemented with hormones of the gender they feel more in line with.

> (You)
>ok retard
>insult
Oooookaaaaaey raaaaayyyyytoooooorrrrrdddd

He is right though Alpha/Beta status is context dependent, like my wifes boyfriend takes her to bed he is alpha but when i take her out to dinner im being Alpha

Sounds like you hang out with redditors.

Do. You. Have. A. Source. For. That

Here's your (you). Don't be afraid to state your own opinion.

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Everyone in that picture is trans.

Google: 'Transvestigation'.

Loads of them in the general population also.

They dose them in the womb. Girls blasted with hormones grow a micro penis.

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They get dosed with hormones in the womb. No consent. Post-puberty trannies are decoys to make you think you can spot them. It ain't easy! Almost everyone you see on TV is trans, to warp your perception, so you don't see them all around you.

he came off as a cucked fucking pedophile who wants to help his pedophile friends groom children it was fucking disgusting

What an annoying post. Stop doing this.

Lern 2 reed

just let trans (men) go into female sports, I want to see those bitches get kill.

tl;dr

>Considering Joe has the interviewing skills of a toddler with ADD

joe has good cross examination skills.

joe is not very bright, but he has a very high social/political IQ, which is why he has navigated his career so well

Humans are animals you fucking retard. We are a result of evolution and we have the same brains that we did when we were living in tribes of hunter-gatherers

This. When I was a kid I thought I was a super saiyan, like literally a super saiyan. So when I heard that there are kids who "identify as female" I immediately made the connection that those kids were probably altered by their environment (IE their parents being liberal degenerates mentioning the idea to them) and they just believed they were a different gender without actually having any idea what it means. When you're a kid you can believe anything, I'm glad my parents didn't let me jump off a window cause I told them I would be able to fly like Goku. It's sad that there are kids out there who are having their bodies destroyed because of dumb parents.

Even if alphas dont exist women will still be attracted to alphas

>he admitted to not really knowing much about in the end

Yeah.....watch when he was talking about the Alpha/Beta male or the trans conversations, the fuckface talked so sure of himself he didnt just think what he was saying was fact no in his mind he KNOWS hes 1000000% correct then Joe said and actually proved there is a difference between him and "men" like Adam by interjecting and he put up a soild and more well defined point of view and the little queef squirmed.

The worst part for Adam was he acted like a "expert" until his prospective broke down. Then instead of admitting he was wrong. He then did the unthinkable and claimed to not be a expert after acting like one just moments before he Rogan put him on blast.

I don't get why fags are seething this hard over this topic. He wasn't saying the concept of alphas and betas don't exist within humans, they do. He was just saying there's more nuances in the dynamic especially in modern times.

His beliefs are whatever the marginalized community tells him is true.

He's the antithesis of logic or reason. He's the epitome of this new age of thinking perpetuated by people claiming to be the intellectuals.

The thing that Joe got wrong and that everyone ITT that is pushing for alpha/betadom is getting wrong, is that he and you guys are just using alpha/betadom as a catchall for assertive TRAITS, while ignoring 99% of the loaded terms which describes a SOCIAL HIERARCHY.

Such a social hierarchy does not exist in men today, and if it does, it is entirely artificial. Take the Japanese boss and his workers. They answer his every beck and call, he essentially controls their lives, they can't leave work before he does etc etc. Is the Japanese boss more 'alpha' by your definition with regards to his workers? No! Take away the job relationship, put them on a deserted island, and you can forget about the boss being treated like a king.

In fact, in the case of humans, tribalism is a much more dominant force than any individual case of alpha/betadom. Oh cool, this guy is tall, charming, handsome, strong, assertive? Too bad, I still gotta murder him because he supports a different football league, and is not one in my circle of friends. Even if you take away tribalism and look inside individual groups, young up and comers are always looking to challenge the one on top so they can be the one on top or to rid themselves of competition for the ladies. There's no ingrained social hierarchy and in fact, in humans, the ones on top usually have a huge target painted on them (see Trump, Obama etc). The ones that survive and are mistakenly called 'alpha' because of it usually do so out of sheer luck.

The old adage of how might makes right is the only truth. People ONLY bend to power. The problem is that in our day and age might/power no longer just means physical power, but a whole host of things, like weapons and arms (the only thing making a superpower a superpower btw, hence Russia), eloquence/charm, MONEY (the big one), influence, etc. A gangbanger with a gun thusly has more power and is therefore more alpha than any other man without one.

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That doesn't make any sense

>Joe said and actually proved there is a difference between him and "men" like Adam
By Joe's definition of alpha/betadom, either Joe and Adam are both alphas or both of them are betas.
Case in point for alphadom:
Both are the 'leaders' of their respective pursuits. Both have garnered a following.
Case in point for betadom:
Both are manlets (Adam is even taller than Joe), no real man see either as a real threat either physically, mentally nor romantically.

>Leftists could learn a thing or two about that.
They won't, this episode was a perfect showcase on conditioning though. They've abandoned reasoning in favor of towing retarded SocJus ideology, the cunt fully admitted that he was onboard with the idea that men and women could compete on an even field when there are "trans" involved. This is one for the books and people are going to look back at it with confusion. Even Joe who acknowledges the retardation that is trans athletes keeps on using the their newspeak terms, to engage with them on this linguistic level is already a compromise you should be unwilling to make.

That seems harsh, Rogan never claimed to be an expert.

Uhhhhh based

We're talking about women. The gender that grew up stalking unicorns.

He has good EQ (emotional quotient). Probably above average IQ before all the drug use too

All wolves have sharp teeth but they hunt in packs and follow the alpha. Researchers used to call these groupings phenomena. They exist in many species. Human groupings are social. An alpha male and a bubble boy heir to an inheritance are going to be judged socially by the impression given in a social setting. Call it psychology, sociology, whatever.

If that heir spends all night in the bathroom masturbating while the alpha male is at the party socializing confidently, you can guess which one is going to be expected to court someone of the opposite sex.

I think there's a reason why people like to party anonymously. Many elements are only implied. People go with their feelings. And the circle of life is complete.

Heh

Highly likely people like Adam will avoid speaking on other people's shows. I hope he never has him on again

He didn't come off as smug, he came off as a moron.

Keep in mind though that the guy who invented the alpha terminology for wolves later denounced the theory, so alpha/betadom doesn't even apply to wolves.

Joe actually has a really high IQ, if by IQ we mean knowledge acquisition, retention and regurgitation.
I'm listening to #142 right now because his guest Graham Hancock is in one of the newer ones, and Joe actually knows a lot about theories of alternative history.
Thing with Joe though, is that he agrees/disagrees on topics based on his guest at the time, so it's hard to pinpoint what he truly believes (which adds to his appeal since everyone thinks he's on their side, even the audience). If it was someone like Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro that told Joe that alphas and betas aren't real (and they virtually have in previous podcasts), he would wholeheartedly agree with them with little evidence required. Also people here are forgetting that despite his resistance, Joe actually said he agreed in the end with Adam about the fact that alphas/betas in scientific terms do not exist in humans, although as stated before whether he's telling the truth or not about this is unclear.

The finding that there is no significant long term side effects is only sourced to a single study from 1998. IIRC there are many well documented side effects, incontinence being a prominent one, in MtF and FtM. A quick google search "incontinence in trans" provides tons of results. IIRC there is no "on label" hormone replacement for gender dysphoria, in other words it hasn't been properly studied and approved by the FDA. So to claim it's totally safe by citing a single article that itself cites a single study when a basic google search indicates there are indeed long term consequences to medical intervention into otherwise healthy children. Further the article linked doesn't address that kids who go this route end up sterile. Between championing of black American women terminating half their pregnancies and prenatal screening, and now the sterilization of gays, I feel like something pretty fucked up is going on.

Yeah and the girl that won roe v wade for abortion is anti abortion now. Wolves aren't the only pack animals. And humans are known to seek leaders.

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Gorillas aren't our closest primate relative, Bonobos are

Seeking leaders is different from alphadom, and you're most likely just imprinting your own idea of what leadership entails.
The way I see it, leadership in animals and humans are a lot like the marble race olympics.
We all know the benefits of leadership as opposed to no leadership when it comes to pack animals, just like the benefits of having a coxswain vs none in a boat race.
But it's not a matter of people fighting each other and the fittest reaching the 'top'. In reality, it's rather like marbles rolling down a slope, colliding with each other randomly, and one rando ending up first. The one that ends up there is not necessarily the fittest, but they end up through a combination of chance.

You can never use science to make a moral argument you fucking philosophically inept moron, Hume's guillotine chops that possibility right off.
"Raising happiness" isn't a scientific argument in the first place, you yourself are not even using "science" to make your argument.
I fucking hate pseuds.

Joe rogan would murder you so easily and you wouldn't be able to stop it no matter how hard you tried

A 3 year old with a gun can murder any full grown man easily.

Sure we're all dying but before we die we reproduce. If you're the only man a woman might sleep with you but if there are five men she will want to reproduce with the one that she herself deems as alpha.

I'm sorry but I don't think we'll agree. I was going to say that religion is another example. In the USA religion is a choice but people still join cults. Why?

Its what humans do. They group together. And among men there are alphas who seem like leaders, and betas who seem like followers. I don't think im saying anything controversial here. The same can be said about girls. Girls seem to group together more than men.

Life is a social construct where the difference between extinction and life depends on an alpha males ability to lure a woman into breeding...by displaying that he is alpha. Without that we die. Reproduction might seem like an accident for some or even many people but not everyone is an accident.

If it's possible that some people dont know how to display that they are alpha then there are definitely some that can...even if you don't believe in it. Even if that display is only temporary you can't change human nature.

>Children don't have to consent to care
>Children don't have to consent to care
>Children don't have to consent to care
>Children don't have to consent to care

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because he thinks he knows shit, but he's actually a michael moore tier retard, that can't actually do research
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>he admitted to not really knowing much about
>"This is the world I want to live in. This is the world we should be creating. We should change things to make it so there is no distinction between men and women in sports."

Yeah he sure did admit to knowing nothing alright.

>If you're the only man a woman might sleep with you but if there are five men she will want to reproduce with the one that she herself deems as alpha.
Which means absolutely nothing, since different women have very different ideas of alphadom, and what women deem as alpha doesn't necessarily mean that thing actually exist. In a similar fashion men pursue the manic pixie dream girl. Does she actually exist? No.

>I was going to say that religion is another example. In the USA religion is a choice but people still join cults. Why?
>Its what humans do. They group together.
You answered yourself here.

>And among men there are alphas who seem like leaders, and betas who seem like followers.
Of course. But you misunderstand the relationship. There is ONLY a leader because there are followers and vice versa. It's a 100% symbiotic relationship and doesn't necessarily mean the leader is in the best position. Sometimes it's #2 or #3 or even #10 down the line, that while reap 99% of the benefits of the de facto leader have fewer to none of his responsibilities. The leader, even when we're talking about the kings of old, is a role that is in much the same capacity as that of a servant (when they're not actively shirking their duties). Except instead of serving any one man, they're expected to serve everyone, the realm. This is what I mean when I said you have the wrong idea of what leadership actually is.

Did he really say that? What is he a genderless automaton? Solar powered maybe?

all political thought is either a rejection or embracing of nature.

whereas leftists deny the natural order of things and attempt to pervert them, fascists base their system on the cruelty of the natural world

adam here is the perfect embodiment of the leftist. Weak and insecure, and terrified of the impartial and brutal natural world around him. He is exactly what kaczynski wrote about

Ted was right about (almost) everything

My main point is alphas exist in humans but their value is mainly in social gatherings. No amount of internet research on the world by any one person is going to change the nature of a pack of humans seeking to reproduce. The smartest guy with encyclopedic knowledge of the female orgasm is going to have a tough time competing with nature. The betas only hope of reproducing is to follow the alphas lead. Yeah

>advocates irreversibly destroying children's bodies with hormones/ hormone blockers
>why the hate

That's not enough? Why is this even up for debate? When will these people be rounded up?

Imagine losing a intellectual debate to Toe Rogan.
Onions not only weakens your body, it also weakens your brain.

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>Why the hate?

>He didn't really come off as smug as he does in his show.

hes a manlet and hes smug on the show.

>200kg gorillas that can lift a car over their head.

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>My main point is alphas exist in humans
There is no proof though. You can only point to attractive qualities, but you can't pinpoint a single 'alpha male' that is alpha in every relevant social setting. If someone can be an 'alpha' in one setting but 'beta' in another, that means they're not really a true alpha male.

Your implicit assumptions that alphas are: 1) Leaders 2) The most sexually attractive is probably incorrect. Leadership we've talked about already. The leader is not necessarily the guy on top, but the guy that garners the most respect out of the ones he is in charge of. A true leader is the guy doing most of the work, and cedes rewards, benefits and prestige to his peers in order to serve the overall good. We can break down the alpha = sexually attractive thing too by flipping the genders. Let's look for the most 'alpha female' in terms of sexual attraction. Is there one female you would say is the sexiest woman on earth, that you would sleep with over every other woman? Now compare that to every other user and see that the mythical alpha female does not exist, because everyone has a different idea of the qualities she has to have.

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So, why did Jazz end up with a fucked up non-functional micro-penis?
Are you arguing that if he, before cutting it off, stopped using hormones he'd grow a normal functioning penis?

The alpha in social settings is the man that is the most well spoken. Everything else like class and background are barriers to the group where the setting is taking place.

Literal insanity in that post, there were plenty of pot bellied balding men throughout history.

>The alpha in social settings is the man that is the most well spoken
Or is it the tall, dark handsome man in the corner who does a more than sufficient job at conversation?
It depends on varying levels of criteria which varies from person to person.

I never brought up acttractiveness. Generally at parties people try to look good. If everyone in whatever social group you're imagining is relatively equal in stature and looks the deciding factor in a social setting is going to be what's said.

Kill yourself, freak.

The betas are out in force today lmao. One of you will be fetching my coffee this morning, and thanking me for doing so.

>relatively equal in stature and looks the deciding factor in a social setting is going to be what's said
Firstly relatively equal does not mean equal.
And even if in your hypothetical situation everyone was a clone, some people like quiet people over people who talk a lot and some vice versa.

They both have an IQ of 60, why does anyone listen to this

Joe doesn't have an educated opinion on anything

sure thing tranny, that's why you have one of the biggest podcasts

I had to stop listening when he said he wants trans men to compete with women in weightlifting
Do these people not realize how dumb they are?

Okay so you're saying people have preferences. Okay. You can even add that there are barriers to courtship. Sure. I can see that. My only point is that alpha/beta mainly matters in social settings. It's the human animal's version the wolf pack leading the hunt. Female lions hunt in groups too.

Have you been to a party?

>My only point is that alpha/beta mainly matters in social settings
You still haven't proven the existence of alpha/beta outside of differing preferences.

>It's the human animal's version the wolf pack leading the hunt
Which has nothing to do with alpha/beta as the guy who invented the theory even says.

based and tedpilled

That's the only thing he said that is true though. Children don't have to consent to care. They don't have to consent to dentist visits and cough syrup. They also don't have to consent to their bedtime, the amount of ice cream they're allowed to eat and how much TV they watch.

joe should go on chapo

>Children don't have to consent to have sex