Does anyone else not believe/think it is stupid that the night king motive is "to wipe out all memory and make an...

Created by the Children of the Forest thousands of years ago as immortal ice demons to defeat humans who were slaughtering them at the time. Except they couldn't be controlled and the Children still went extinct.

thanks

do people actually root for the h*mans to win?

Yes.
Source is my dad is grrm

>If it's that simplistic I am going to lose it. That is literally a Good vs. Bad that GRRM said he hated.

I hope.

This is the only show I've ever watched and liked a bit. It's shit, but it isn't completely garbage.

That's retarded. "Hey these humans are killing us let's make immortal super humans to fight them what could go wrong "

If anything this is the best outcome. Why the fuck do people need motives and all such human Notions that just invite filler and cringe and poor writing? He's a monster created to kill. He's a metaphor for both winter and death. He's just a force of nature and that is honestly good. Why on earth do you need some clever backstory and explanation?

Yeah but what's the night kings tax policy? Is Jon going to go and slaughter little white Walker babies, in their little cribs?

They didn't know it would be uncontrollable. Desperation forced their hand, so they launched nukes.

tell your dad to stop gorging on cakes and Bigmacs for one minute and to finish his books before the diabetes gets him.

t.

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>That is literally a Good vs. Bad that GRRM said he hated.
He didn't say that stories can't have good and evil sides, but it has to be earned. Meaning the good guys can't be good just because the other side happens to be demons.

The whole point of the series is the human characters finding the moral strength to turn away from selfish infighting/ambiguous feuds and face the unambiguous evil

pleb tier

Think about disease. Is it not a mindlessly self-destructive "evil" as well?

Once it kills the host it dies too afterall.

>he doesn't show up at winterfell
he does show up, he just waits until the golden company arrives at winterfell, then turns them all to wights and overruns it.

Tolkien isn’t just a better writer than GRRM, he’s in a different fucking dimension on a literary level. I’m not saying LOTR is the highest standard in writing, but just read one of the books, and then read ASOIAF, and the difference will become clear to someone who never even reads. If you ever thought GOT was superior to LOTR on any non subjective level you are a retard

All movies and TV shows are trash of varying degree.

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Of course it was a bad idea. You're clearly missing the point.

LOTR is simple good v evil. GOT character behavior and source of conflict is more compelling.

I’m disappointed that after it all the zombies vs humans ending seems railroaded in the books like the show. I thought in the beginning when I started the series it would be more than that.

GRRM is a neckbeard.

Tolkien was a professor of literature.

GOT has literally just revealed itself to be good v evil.

>GOT has literally just revealed itself to be good v evil.
You were talking about the books, now you're talking about the shows/movies. GRRM didn't make them.

This guy is such a hack, the nerve of this fat fuck to talk negatively about the works of Tolkien.

Sauron/Melkor's motives are way more intricate than anything he came up with.

LOTR is good vs bad at its best, ASOIAF is moderately good moral greyness

the Night King is just a rip off of Arthas and Arthas was based, redpilled, and right about everything, so the Night King is too

then why are you here?

Yes. LOTR does what it does best.

ASOIAF is more interesting. You're seeing an attempt to model human behavior in some sense, which is more edifying than "all badness comes from a ring".

Nigger if you think the fat man isn't going to see how this season does critically and commerically and then quickly ape what was successful for fast money you have no idea how lazy and greedy he is.

The idea of any motivation from an army of walkers is already dumb as fuck. Plus they've been toying with the walkers since season 1 and kept pushing it further away. It's really no surprise that "their plan" was never anything interesting.

>all badness comes from a ring
If you are going to get pissy about a work of fiction you should try reading it first.

>This is the only show I've ever watched and liked a bit. It's shit, but it isn't completely garbage.

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No it attempts to spread before the host dies.

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I'm just commenting on what already exists.

I think I may have. I cannot remember. Fact of the matter is that the LOTR is about evil eminating from a REALLY BAD GUY and his ring. And that isn't interesting to me.

Bran is lying.
The Night King is actually the hero who tried to negotiate with the children of the forest, only for them to turn him into their weapon against humanity.

He only seeks a path back in time, in order to right history. If he only defeated the Children when he had the chance, then he would never have become the Night King, and humans wouldn't stupidly be worshipping the old gods. Bran prevents the Night King from doing this.

Because by doing this, it would effectively wipe away history as we know it. From that point thousands of years ago, time would go on a new trajectory. Which, according the Night King, is the true trajectory.

So in a way, it's partially true. History of the modern world would be gone. But the whole truth, is that the modern world was created by the deception of the Children, and needs to be undone.

Nice interesting theory.

OP here

I Hope this is true

you just don't understand, GRRM's writing is just that much more sophisticated than anything you have read in any of your low class, normie-tier fantasy. Like LOTR with the non motivation villains, racist heroes that only see a world in black and white. You just need to quit trying to equate something as complex and detailed as Song of Ice and Fire to your obvious video game inspired shit.

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>Hey guys here's why I think this fantasy show made for children is too simplistic for my high quality tastes!

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Well, do you think "unforeseen consequences from a desperate move" (children creating the noight kang) is a bad plot device?

The series is really just not that complex at all. I wouldn't expect this because no villain character is ever much more than a standard evil bastard what likes doing bad things because they are bad.

The only time they ever tried having any layers behind a character was Littlefinger and that just boiled down to making him medieval Joker that just liked seeing shit burn for no actual reason.

This is far too kino for DnD.

You sound really fun and interesting and I bet you have lots of friends

Honestly one of the best theories I read.
Shame the writers of this show aren't smart enough for that though

It's a fucking kid's show with magical dragons and wizards. what the fucking fuck were you expecting it to be?

Remove the white walkers, make the dragons less powerful. Continue the show focus on the politcal struggles and the double crosses of season 1-4.

aw yeah guys, the most kino show in the existence of Yea Forums. You just know characters like Jon Snow and Dany would be killed off in a spectacular fashion if GRRM was still running this thing

>made for children
Uh huh

if next week we don't get some more backstory on the Night King it's been 10 years for nothing lads

>The whole point of the series is the human characters finding the moral strength to turn away from selfish infighting/ambiguous feuds and face the unambiguous evil
i agree, impeach trump now and combat climate change, anything less is evil

I don't think it's any more complex than Stannis, fighting for his rightful seat on the throne as King. The way he sees it, the Lannisters lied to place a bastard on the throne. Not even a bastard of the king. but the queen's bastard, born of incest.

It's pretty simple really. The Night King probably sees the current timeline as abhorrent. Born of lies by the Children. The three eyed raven, is the one upholding the lies, making it impossible for the truth to come out.

>My magic dragon wizard show is super super serious with deep lore!

Yea whatever loser. No one is ever going to take the magical dragon show seriously. And you being a mid 30s weirdo watching it at mom's house does not make it into a "serious adult show" either. Grow the fuck up.

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Thing is there really are no hidden levels to this series at all. what you see is really what you get every time. So the Night King having some hidden plan that involves time travel and breaking future cycles does not match up with everything seen in the last 7 seasons. If he had some plan like that then we would have a random throwaway character spell it out to the audience directly.

Which is exactly what happened then Sam made his explanation.

It must be so sad to see everything through a political lens of being a sad oppressed white male

>muh logic
Look at this idiot haha. Just turn off your brain and enjoy the CGI, dumbass.

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FPBP
At least he doesn’t have friends with shit taste

TAKE IT BACK!@

the world is changing for the worse even if you can't see it from your mancave, climate change is coming

The real threat is AI and the subsequent mass extinction of most of humanity.

The point in showing use Bran attempting to change the past, as to inform the audience that it's possible. So that when it comes again later in a big way, then we're not blindsided. Bran wanted to interact with the past, but the three eyed raven was against it for obvious reason. It would completely change history, if Bran was successful. The raven tells Bran it's impossible. But we see it is possible, when Bran manages to call out to his father at the tower of joy scene.

Also, think why would the Night King want Bran so badly? He could kill all of humanity first, and then come back for Bran. Why does he want Bran here and now? It's because he really doesn't care about the world he's currently in. Once he's able to go back in time, the current world would cease to exist. So there's no point in marching around and wiping it all out. The point is to get back in time, to save *his* people.

It's the same concept as "what we do for love". The Night King does all this atrocious stuff now, because of the love he has for the people he was meant to save all those years ago.

the night king is an AI that controls all the other NPCs, and still is a metaphor for climate change. both threats are real

AI is sooner. And then they will cull humanity with it and if climate change is real it won't matter.

>The night king clearly has demonstrated extraodinary patience and foresight, as he lured Dany's dragon.

you mean he demonstrated a plot-breaking super attack in a situation he didn't expect that he will subsequently never use again?

>That is literally a Good vs. Bad that GRRM said he hated.
thats whats going on. a literal 1d character

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>climate change.
>real

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interesting, very interesting, but wouldn't it be too much of a twist after all this time?
Consider what the audience expects, they want to see what happens to their favourite characters, who sits on the Throne, who marries who, who ded, yadda yadda.

Wouldn't it be too much to ask of the audience?

>Meaning the good guys can't be good just because the other side happens to be demons.

He's wrong. If a farmer sees his neighbors running for their lives from goblins and starts shooting goblins he's the good guy specifically because there is a malicious force for him to combat and he does. The idea that a thing has to have a greater reason than "because I can" is nonsense. Sure you can explore why they feel that way but it all boils down to "because I can".

I don't think the Night King will win. I just think that's his motivation. They'll probably give us a bit of the night King's story, only to have him lose.

Hell, maybe Episode 4 will just be an extended weirwood vision, following the Night King's journey, before he turned. Probably not.

>following the Night King's journey, before he turned
hbo will do anything to show homo's

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who is that?

the hero of free speech

The chick responsible for the youtube shooting a while back.

>"to wipe out all memory and make an eternal night"

But that is what modern technology is built to do. An eternal present.

I am starting to think that, something like, to cite a recent example Westworld's second season had, 1 episode following what 1 character has been doing in the meanwhile, though in their case it came in with terrible timing.

"When Danaerys takes her throne there will be no place for us here.

When the war is over and she has won do you want to grow old in this place?"

GOT is officially a pro nationalist show.

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That's what I had in mind. But I don't think it'll truly happen. Because Ep5 is directed by the big battle guy again. So I don't see how they can interrupt the story in between two major battles.

>game of thrones
>point

Have sex

I couldn't see how they could interrupt the big race to the mcguffin either in Westworld but they still did.
Anyway, why not? LotR has Helm's deep ends and there's lots of stuff in between that, but, maybe is a bad example.
Well it also might not be an entire episode focused on that, but still be half the focus, do they really want to keep the Night King as some silent big bad force?

The night king was only a dude that was converted with the only mission to kill all humanity, is literally a force of nature, pure evil, no real reason.

watching GoT is like watching star wars. it's time to grow up

I don't see how they can reserve an entire episode, because once Winterfell is down, they'll need to move a lot of pieces around, and get Cercei involved somehow. Ep 4 is 78 minutes long though. That's 20 more minutes than Ep2. So maybe they only spend a portion of the episode telling the knight king's story, and then shifts back to present day. I don't know.

who gives a fuck. just watch the manchild show or don't speculating is for faggots

i hope bran and the night king have some kind of "mind battle" and it reveals some more about him

Why did you come into a thread that is specifically about speculating the motivations of the villain, if you think it's lame? There are other got threads that are more your speed.

Night king possibilities:
>full of potential
>could be literally anyone from the past, any legend
>everyone wants to hear who he actually is, how he ties in the story, what his motivations are
>fucking fascinating CHARACTER

You KNOW he is just going to be used as a "wants to kill everyone" big bad plot device

He's nobody. Nothing will get revealed. GRRM might try to patch it up in the books, but nobody will give a shit.

He is a plot device to serve as:
1) Big bad wants to kill everyone so everyone has to band together
2) Convenient killing machine to remove everyone neatly and allow Jon to take the throne

Climate change is clearly brought on by white people from the north that come to eradicate all the natives of the land and destroy all their memory.

It's a metaphor for European invasion of North America and their industry destroying the land and ruining the climate.

ironically european genocide of the natives actually impeded global warming

>final ep
>night king touches bran
>screen goes white, skips to the same flashback of how night king was first created
>night king runs in and kills all the CotF
>stabs his past human form to death
>screen goes white again
>bird's eye view of people walking and chatting in winterfell and king's landing, but nobody is clearly identifiable from above so you can't tell if it's in the past or present

Skyrim belongs to the nords

That'd be cool. But to be technical, the Night King wouldn't be able to physically go into the past. He could only cause his words to come through like whispers in the wind. Or, he could warg his past self, and kill the children before they bind him to the tree... Something like that. Having successfully changed the future, the tether that binds his consciousness between times will sever. And he'll be trapped inside of his past body. Allowing him to continue living as his past self, and living out the last of his days happily with the ones he loves.

>NOW THE FOOL SEEKS TO RETURN TO THE PAST, AND UNDO THE FUTURE THAT IS THE SEVEN
fucking stupid

Based

Yeah maybe that's simplistic enough and that actually good. Maybe something can just be a real basic threat without any huge master plan reveal straight out of nowhere just because everyone needs villains to have super deep intentions and connections.Maybe it could just be ice zombies and that is a threat enough on its own.

But he, as the leader of the white walkers was what wiped all his loved ones / people out. Why didn't he just choose not to wipe anyone out in the first place? Why does he suddenly have free will now to want to go back in time and prevent the white walkers from existing in the first place?

Well expect to be dissapointed

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I was wondering when someone who ask this. And the answer to that, is I'm not completely sure. What we do know, is that the children lost control of him. But was it immediately? Or did some time pass? If they lost control of him immediately, then how did he learn what his powers were? Did he just figure it out over time through trial and error? I don't think that's the case.

This is a bit of a leap, but I believe that he was controlled by the greenseers. The took control of him like a vessel, and had him do his bidding. But you see, warging is a tricky thing. If you stay inside of an animal's mind for too long, your own consciousness degrades, and you find it impossible to return. You essentially become the beast yourself, only existing as a remnant on its soul.(That much is true. That's why Jojen stops Bran from warging Summer for too long.)

Not only that, when Bran wargs Hodor, Hodor resists. Warging another human is almost impossible. They seize up, and resist too hard. The only reason Bran can warg Hodor, is because he's literally retarded.

I think that it was impossible for any one greenseer to control the Night King. The children either needed to constantly change greenseer duties. Or they needed to combine their powers. As in, become a shared consciousness. Hence the three eyed raven. An amalgam of children greenseers all stored in a single body. Or... maybe they didn't have a contingency plan. Maybe they had control of him for some time, he was made to do bad things against humans, and then they simply couldn't hold on any longer.

At which point, he rebelled, but it was too late. Everyone he loved, died by is hands.

this nigga lookin like spongebob doing his squidward impersonation lmao

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So you're saying that they had control over him for time to destroy humans and I assume not children? Seems plausible.

Perhaps he doesn't even rebel, as you you brought up you eventually will just become a part of the warged beings consciousness if you remain there for too long. The green seer (or seers) that warged the night king may have gotten trapped inside of him, thus losing control over him. The puppet and the masters roles being reversed now, the nights king gains all the green seers abilities. Hence why he and no other white walker or any other being but Bran who is also a greenseer, can have the ability to travel back in time and be all knowing.

Gonna need to go to sleep now, but only unanswered question I can think of all considering now is why did the nights king and the walkers wait 8000 years to try again?

And what did the nights king do when he achieved free will. Did he stop attacking humans and instead focused on the children of the forest? We know this not to be true since they both ultimately defeated him. Perhaps from being attacked for so long by the nights king the humans were easily convinced to continuing fighting them by the children.

>So you're saying that they had control over him for time to destroy humans and I assume not children?
Basically. I don't have any real evidence. But if I were trying to reason out why the night king didn't decimate the children, that's what I would go with. They used him to fight off the humans, before losing control. At which point, he became a threat to both humans and children. And that's why they made the pact. And the pact is the beginning of the humans worshipping the old gods.

Because winter returns every 8,000 years or so?

>why did the nights king and the walkers wait 8000 years to try again?
I think that worshipping the old gods, means leaving blood sacrifices to the weirwoods. This is more emphasized in the books. But basically, ned cleaning his sword ice by the weirwood, is symbolic of feeding the tree. Much much later in the book, there's a weirwood tree with a mouth so large, corpses can fit into it. It appears as though it's directly eating sacrifices.

I believe that all the blood sacrifices go to the greenseers. Sustaining their life. Hence why the three eyed raven is trapped in all the weirwood roots. He's being sustained by the trees, through blood magic. And it's this blood magic, that makes it impossible for the Night King to reach the three eyed raven. If he could have killed him 8000 years ago, he would. But the greenseers stay safe in their caves, warded by magic.

The Night King waits though. That's why he has wights just laying around outside of the cave. The wights are there as patrol. On the off chance he can catch the children slipping. The reason the Night King is more active currently is simple. He's a greenseer himself. He gets green dreams. Glimpses of what's to come. He likely saw some prophetic image, that told him it was time to mobilize.

Nasim Aghdam

It's amazing how the CotF are more interesting than anything else in GoT. What a shitfest.

everything supernatural in the show sucks, prove me wrong
>night king
>white walkers
>muh dragons
>face/off assassins
>smoke ghost kills renly
>people being killed then brought back to life for no reason other than a cliffhanger
I'll also toss in the stone people being pointless

>waah why is there fantasy in my fantasy fiction?

there was next to none in the first season

HBO thought first two seasons were boring so they added this crap in the third season. Apparently medieval intrigue does not do well with test audiences. They just want zombie apocalypses and dragons. so it turned into Walking Dead and the Hobbit.

>can't differentiate the goals from the why
OP is too dumb even for dumb show.

>They just want zombie apocalypses and dragons
They want myth

>Just turn off your brain and enjoy the CGI
This is why I hate humans

First six minute past the intro, a White Walker.

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Then they can go watch the fucking Hobbit and leave the adult stuff alone.

I know this was the thinking in 1995 grandpa but things change. Nerd shit is cool now and the edgy tryhard who says everything is shit and gay is now the loser, COPE

Just think its all Jamie's fault that the living is getting raped right now and it becomes funny.

does anyone have a link to the leaks?

is "climate change" a metaphor for the Jewish dominance of the mainstream media to flood white european nations with browns in order to create a slave caste that the chosen people can rule over for all eternity?

Being fantasy is no excuse for being shit. The faceless assassin thing and the ninja Arya is completely retarded and everyone just roll with it, no questions asked.

Daily reminder that we will never know a single answer to any of these questions:

What do they eat? Do they have metabolism? How do they derive energy?
Why are wights allowed to break all laws of thermodynamics? How do they never tire, where is this unlimited source of energy that drives them coming from?
What is their culture, do they even have one?
Do they have females?
Do they have ice benis / vagine?
Do they reproduce or can they only create more of themselves via human children / the Night King?
Do they have language?
If not, how do they communicate? Is it telepathically? Just magic (aka GRRM don't gotta explain shit)
Why do they make armor? How do they make it?
Do they have forges, do they mine for metals?
Are they just a "force of nature," mindless and with one goal (eradication of humans?)
What are their tax policies?
Do they have cities, towns, a society?
How many white walkers are there?
Are they all the product of Craster's Sons, or do they go back thousands of years?
Do they worship a god / gods? What god gives the white walkers their power / magic? Obviously, it's some sort of ice / darkness / god of death in opposition to the lord of light.
What exactly is their endgame? Let's say they eradicate westeros, do they turn their attention to essos?
Let's say they wipe out all life and create an entire planet of wights. What then?
Why are they attacking now, of all times to attack? There must have been moments in the last thousands upon thousands of years at which the wall was weak, at which the kingdoms were in conflict when he could have attacked with success. We're told that the coming of the dragons "awoke" the Night King and stirred him to start his campaign on westeros. Why? There were dragons for hundreds of years during Aegon's conquest and after, why did he not stir then?

>He only seeks a path back in time, in order to right history.
I swear to fuck if there's time traveling bullshit.

>I swear to fuck if there's time traveling bullshit.
I mean we already have it if you believe that young Ned heard Bran call out to him in the flashback.

>hodor happened
>Bran has demonstrated multiple times he can go back in time, alter history
>imagining this wont be used again
??????

Magic

answer to all your questions

>they don't
>magic
>Of course
>no
>nk only
>you will hear NK speak in ep 3
>clearly no as their shit is made of ice
>no they are clearly living beings who were created
> no taxes
>no cities just territory
>like They go back thousands of years obviously. This one is litterally on google
>if they worship gods its the old gods
>they just told you their end game
>peace rests over the land
>bc the prince that was promised was born, he is to become the next NK
>the dragons thing is literally not states, we hjave WW before dragons are born in the show and the books.

now kys before ep 3 please.

You’re smarter than the writers. Unfortunately, there’s no way this theory is correct.