So who was he again?

I said before the prequels, Lucas.

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Who?

he was like, some old dude or whatever. hehehe.

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so did J.J. in fact J.J. was even worse

we knew that he's the head of the galactic senate and the powerful force user

Also novelisation mentions that he's a Sith master

He was one of the podracers in Tatooine back in TPM. After one horrible accident he swore revenge on the young boy who made him crash.

That boy? Anakin Skywalker.

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a snoke and a pancake

His place in was unknown before Empire Strike Back. He was originally planned to be a benevolent ruler tricked by the likes of Tarkin.

>defends nu wars by attacking established much loved characters

Kill yourself nigger

Will the new prequels explain his origin?

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SNOKE ZULA THE MIC RULA

>MFW RIAN JOHNSON IS RETCONNED OUT OF HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE
LMAO WHAT A FAGGOT

ERASED FROM HISTORY!

You have avoided the question.

>implying there won't be a sequel-prequel set between Episode VI and VII and retroactively renumbering episodes VII-IX

Yes, he was the Emperor of a defined political power, who dismissed the "Council/Senate" indicating his authocratic view. He was Darth Vader lord and master, that Darth Vader betrayed the Jedi for, after a mysterious event known as "The clone war".

obviously a sheev clone

I think Ben Solo fooled him way too easily. It would have been more interesting if he failed and he wouldn't have a master anymore. Then basically Kylo Ren would be between dark and light.

>nuwars

One of Sheev's failed clones.

IIRC he is just some rich asshole who found some magic Sith wand that do magic Sith things. In another world, a McGuffin.

Then in the third film Kylo Ren would show up when Rey was fighting Snoke and help her defeat him.

Sheev's puppet.

WHO IS JARJAR'S PUPPET

HE'S THE KEY TO ALL THIS

And also was the father of Luke.

You, the viewer.

No, but he didn't need one.

No, but the OT also didn't release after 6 full movies of backstory where there is an established universe and how characters came to be

Snoke doesn't make sense since there was no prior established character like this other than the Emperor, and at the end of the OT we're lead to believe that the Emperor died, and with him, all the Sith teachings and whatnot. Snoke is seemingly just as powerful as the Emperor was while also being a literal nobody. That worked back when it was a new, unexplored universe, but now that we have actual backstory to the universe itself, surprisingly powerful characters like Snoke shouldn't be suddenly introduced and not given backstory since the natural response to him is to question who he is and how he is that powerful.

Why didn't Vader detect that Leia was his daughter????

She obviously force fogged his brain

a pruned raisen that was pruned some more

But she herself didn't know!!!

She was empowered

But she didn't know!!!

Sneed

Snoke's brother Snooke

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Holy shit, these were two different Sheev clones???

>turned Vader to the dark side
>hunted down the Jedi
>rules the galaxy
>dissolves the last vestiges of democracy to rule absolute
>is not to be underestimated
>looks like a corpse possessed by Satan
>has lightning up his sleeve

That sufficed for the first trilogy.
The original novelisations also add the
>career politician who duped everyone into electing him Emperor
bit and his name.

Snoke demonstrates powers we have never seen Palpatine wield and looks older than him while also adopting the Empire's aesthetics; even though he leads what should be a guerilla army his toys are 10x bigger than anything Palpatine could muster, so you end up wondering where the hell he came from and why he didn't try to topple Palpatine.

Supreme Leader Sneed

So how was Vader going to extract knowledge from her that she herself didn't have? He can't detect her as his daughter as she didn't know she was adopted.

She should've had an aura around her or something, she was obviously full of Force and shit.

You remember even the Jedi went around with their gadgets testing people for Force sensitivity in the prequels, right?

youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1JZK0UcWU

An irrelevant nobody because Disney's story group, Kathleen Kennedy, and two directors couldn't get past their own bullshit and come together to pre-plan a fucking trilogy that they knew all along was gonna be a trilogy.

Space Hugh Hefner.

I'm sure JJ had a vision where the story would go, but Rian blew it. Just look at all the setup that Force Awakens had.

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Why would they? Snoke obviously was a throw-a-way character with no relevance on anything.

He was space hitler, positionally. Being emperor of a galaxy comes with the assumption that he's not some random nobody who built his own emperor's chair and sat in it.
It implies he was a highly known figure that either won or seized power, maybe a mix of both - given that he's fucking evil.
In a galaxy of trillions, becoming the emperor is probably the most difficult and long-term thing one can aspire to do - so that implies he's some ridiculous level of genius and cunning, as well as ambition and foresight.
It works because he falls in line with all of those expectations, just like you'd expect a CEO during a run of success in a global corporation to be fucking good at his job through innovation and pragmatism.

>Why would they?

Money. They will made up a backstory to satisfy nerds and get their money.

>thinking JJ has a plan

Rian said he wasn't left with anything substantial, and I'm inclined to believe him given JJ's track record.

In the case of that question, they've opted to go flip-flop everytime it is asked. Either JJ had a script and Rian tossed it out or Rian had nothing to work with and had to continue from scratch. Accounts vary from person to person.

>
Are you saying we're gonna get a prequel trilogy to the sequel trilogy about Snoke and Kylo

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This is a bad excuse. The sequels don't exist in a vacuum. The Emperor being vague and mysterious worked in the OT because the world was new and we knew little of it.

Snoke existing out of nowhere despite the prequel and original trilogies raises plot/lore questions.

Maybe the empire has to have a political system. The US wouldn't just collapse because the President was killed, it would just go to the VP. Probably was just some apprentice he was training but never had a need to be on screen before.

Won't work because they called TFA Episode 7

Anything fucking substantial? He gave him the mystery of Rey's parents, mystery of Luke's absense, mystery of who Snoke is, the Knights of Ren. What did Rian do with all this? Nothing. He gave us a scene where black boy and fat asian ride space horses in a casino.

George Lucas had no idea that there was even an Emperor before Empire Strike Back. Also Ben Kenobi, originally, didn't lie to Luke about Vader killing Luke's father. That's a twist that he came up with later as he was attempting to condense the plot and thematically elements. The same with condensing Leia with Luke's sister.

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But is anyone actually interested? If the Mouse couldn't make money with Han Solo flick, how could Snoke movie fare any better?

A confused Ayy Lmao leading a human supremacist organization

>Snoke obviously was a throw-a-way character with no relevance on anything
For 3 decades after RotJ he was the most powerful force user in the galaxy, made Luke his bitch, ruined Ben's life and Leia's marriage while no one could stop
So they made him super powerful when they needed to do world building for the time gap, and a weak joke when they actually had to use him in a story
So he manages to make the Disney Star Wars universe feel fake as shit

Just another mystery box. Nox dead. Irrelevant and shitty, like all disney movies.

>George Lucas had no idea that there was even an Emperor before Empire Strike Back
Remind me who dissolves the senate shortly before Tarkin announces it to the board of Moffs?

People like Tarkin.

Yes they do.
youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OiIjIvN0A

Truth. Why is Vader the lord of the sith, and when did the sith become a dominant part of the empire whe in the first movie they were basically dark wizards under the service of the empire while Tarkin was clearly the one in command?

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GRAND MUFF

The Emperor was nothing but a puppet originally.

It already felt fake as shit the instant Han came on screen wearing a 40 year old outfit

I believe they dumped the idea of him being the sole survivor of the old Jedi Temple

something big has been going on between VII and VIII, and I think they re-wrote the plot several times untile we got the shit that was Episode VIII

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have sex

A vague one. He was at first a figurehead who was detached from the actual workings of the empire and the military, but in Emprie was retconned to be vader's master and the person controlling everything. Also as others have said, there wasn't as much backstory for anyone, so his was inline with what was needed. Now that Star Wars has had decades to develop, a certain level of quality is expected from its characters. You don't release an NES tier video game today, then complain about that the low scores you're getting by saying "well X game on from thirty years ago did this and was good so why is my game bad?" As times change a higher standard is required to get the same level of approval.

just another incompetent male

See, that bit is true. But we're talking drafts versus finished product now. The Emperor we're introduced to in ANH is already congruent in his behaviour (that single line placing all power into his own hands) with the character we'll explore further in ESB and ROTJ.

To be fair, Lucas wasn't sure Sith were dark Jedi back then (When Zahn wrote Heir to the Empire, he intended the Noghri to be called Sith, for example, as they feel they have a life debt with Vader, but Lucas said he couldn't), but even his title is mentioned in a deleted scene from that board meeting.
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Thing is THE SEQUEL TRILOGY ALREADY HAS PREQUELS AND SNOKE ISN'T IN ANY OF THEM

How many draft did Lucas made before Star Wars stopped being such a blatant rip-off of Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress that he even considered buy the rights?

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telling random people to have sex as if it should somehow make you feel above your own cesspool heavily implies you have not had sex

Sneed

>before and WAY before

A plot device.

spotted the incel

It has to be in the hundreds.

The number I remember is 12, it might've been higher.

have sex

Remember when Serkis and JJ kept saying in interviews and press talks for TFA how Snoke was > Palpatine?

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This thing was floating around before TLJ released and got even funnier afterwards
>50% off

Yes. He's mentioned in passing in Episode IV of dissolving the Imperial Senate, the last remnants of the Republic Senate, and increasing the power of planetary and system governors like the local Moffs and Grand Moffs. In the official novelization of ANH, its also stated the Emperor was beloved by the majority of the citizens of the Empire who viewed the military totalitarianism and authoritarianism as being done by the Moffs and Imperial Senate, so they always saw him as a benevolent figurehead being used by greedy politicians. Then in TESB, we know he's Vader's Sith master in their hologram talk and ROTJ rounds things out. When the Prequel Trilogy was given the go ahead, one of the biggest things fans wanted to see was how Palpatine BECAME the Emperor and his rise to power.

Snoke has nothing. No backstory at all in the "canon" outside of the films barring the TLJ novelization that just tells us he was hiding from Sidious and Vader in the Unknown Regions and nothing else other than him being a dark side Force-User. He's not a Sith Lord, he isn't a Dark Jedi, the rumors that he was Plagueis were quashed by JJ and Rian themselves and his entire purpose was superficial with how Rian terminated him mid-way in TLJ. Even his "theme" is just a reused BGM of the dark side/Sith/Palpatine one from the Prequels.

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Based dubs

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He doesn't even have a fucking species name

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I think its because he's a deformed human but yeah even then.

Just a fucked up human, yeah? Just seemed disfigured

Its also amazing how bankrupt creatively LucasFilms is under Disney's helm. The "new" First Order Star Destroyers look to take inspirations from the Star Wars Legacy comics Empire's Pellaeon-class Star Destroyers but without the charming design points, as if a perfect example of how modernism and updates lack soul. The flagship Snoke was on is just a fatter horizontally stretched out Super Star Destroyer, and there's literally nothing new design wise with the FO's Tie-Fighters from a n aesthetic standpoint. Same with the Resistance's X-Wing and A-Wings.

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Nobody cares, not even the protagonists. I want you all to stop and think about this line from Retard Johnson’s own soft, effeminate lips:

>In this particular story, it's much more like the original trilogy, where with Snoke if you think about the actual scenes, if suddenly I had paused one of the scenes to give a 30 second monologue about who he was, it would have kind of stopped the scene in its tracks, I realized. Even though it could have been interesting, something that fans were interested in, as storytellers, we have to kind of serve what the scenes need to be. It was a tough thing, even though I knew some fans were interested in it I also knew it wasn't something that dramatically had a place in this movie. Hopefully it can be addressed elsewhere or even J.J. may address it in the next movie. But it's not something that's particularly interesting to Rey, so we kind of had to follow through.

It’s not interesting. To the protagonist. Stop and think about how shitty a writer you have to be to follow this line of reasoning. If the guy leading the forces you oppose isn’t a topic of interest for your character, then why the fuck is your character there opposing them? What is *their* motivation? Remember, Rey is the character that had to be *talked* into having an adventure in the first film. Now her whole motivation is what, love for a guy she’s met twice and tried to kill once? She just doesn’t even care who Snoke is or why he exerts such a hold over the guy she’s trying to save?

Absolute shit-tier writing.

post the supremacy

The Supreme Leader of the First Order

Is that from the full making of documentary? I finally found it online if anyone hasn't seen it.

dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2u

Isn't that what I posted?

No, I want to compare with the actual Supremacy. I haven't seen the movie in a while. And don't want to see it again.

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New Republic got fucked over by writing gaffes before they could showcase the new Republic Troopers vs Stormtroopers conflict. Which will never happen as the status quo mandates a small "Good" group against an all powerful "Evil" force, not the other way around.

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Sounds pretty lore friendly. No need to reinvent the wheel. When Bad Guy demands the construction of a flying fortress to house the First Order, just take a bunch of ssds and bridge them together with a new command tower.

They began retroactively calling all Star Wars movies only by the title, excluding the numbers.
I can see them pulling something like that but a Jedi Academy - The Kylo years tv show or cartoon seems more likely than making it into movies.

>George Lucas had no idea that there was even an Emperor before Empire Strike Back
>main villains are called the Empire
>in the Death Star room scene they fucking talk about the emperor dismantling the Senate

Normies literally went to Rogue One thinking it would be a sequel to TFA.
Marvel is just "go see the next movie" so their probably won't be an Episode X or Star Wars Stories ever again, just one trilogy at a time since they already said D&D were getting 3 movies.

No but the original trilogy didn't have 6 prequels where he wasn't even mentioned

Not so convinced anymore.

FTL attacks are cannon in the EU.

I don’t know. I can’t sit through its runtime listening to an oblivious dipshit like Johnson suck his own dick. It’s from an interview for sure.

cinemablend.com/news/1829709/rian-johnson-further-explains-his-decision-not-to-reveal-more-about-snoke

Is this shit meant to be an universal constructor, a moving factory?

>>in the Death Star room scene they fucking talk about the emperor dismantling the Senate
I'm sure that was the new Palpatine-looking emperor and not the monstrosity they showed in the pre-special edition versions, right?

>30 second monologue

Confirmed ADD cuck.

>Solo bombs
>KK and Iger immediately say Star Wars needs to slow down, and the Star Wars Story label be permanently retired
>can't just admit they made a mistake and it was a shitty movie and no one wanted a Solo movie without Ford
That shit pisses me off so much.
Incredible Hulk made 300 million dollars less than Iron Man 1 but it's not like pre Disney purchase Marvel Studios decided to declare that they needed to slow down

So why isn't she naked again?

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>Assembly hall with over 200,000 seats.

The fucking autocratic Space Hitler has more representation than the Republic.

Yer blind.
>cannon

>the original trilogy didn't have 6 prequels where he wasn't even mentioned

This is hilarious because its true. I'm stealing this.

Probably because they would be forced to actually define the rise and ideology of the First Order and this would hit far too close to home.

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>Laundry room.

Are you being sarcastic?

Yeah! Fascism.

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He unironically looked better in TFA, despite worse CGI. He was an alien of sorts, for sure. TLJ has turned him into another old white male villain.

>mystery box man had a plan and didn’t just leave open ends
Yeah I don’t think so, JJ is a lazy hack.

>the emperor has dissolved the senate, region governers have direct control of their sectors

to be fair, neither does yoda

"Yoda's species". And there's at least two of his kind.

They could go the Kingdom Hearts method and do 6.2, 6.5, and 6.8 or something

but this seems more likely, especially if it's put on Disney+

Palpatine

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will probably be explained in the next movie seeing as based sheev is making a comeback

I actually kind of liked the theory he was that "youngling" who speaks to Anakin before he massacred them.

We have been over this time and time again. It's a story for another time.

Is Snoke an alien? I can't even fucking tell.

just another one of Sheevs clones

>Lucas established there are other Dark Side Force users in the Galaxy other than the Sith
>Hack JJ copy pastes Sheev
>Based Rian kills him and has Kylo Ren the actual character people like take over like Vader wanted to for an epic finale
>Hack JJ without his fake Sheev decides to just rape the corpse of actual Sheev
>HOW DISNEY & THE LAST JEDI **DESTROYED** STAR WARS (2:00:00) uploaded by FurryBenShapiro

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