>be Walt Disney >start your company, make bold decision to start making feature-length films entirely in animation >make some of the greatest works of art ever made, putting all your passion and heart into each & every project, bringing joy to millions and soon making enough to build an entire theme park to spread more happiness >pass away, your company moves on >studio now reduced to mass-producing mediocre computer rendered slop as it is the only way for them to appeal to moviegoers in the internet age >the theme parks, "where dreams come true", is now rapidly being replaced with attractions made to cash in on commercial properties >fans of said movies look back on you as an evil racist who should be erased
>There are children now that will never know that Dumbo was once a cartoon.
Sebastian Cooper
In short cartoons yes. Feature films no.
Jayden Cook
Nothing gold can stay
Aiden Clark
His sons sold out the company to the Jews, ever since then it's gone downhill
Liam Harris
This is correct. Disney toons were cute and quaint but Looney Tunes are often hysterical
David Bailey
>>make some of the greatest works of art ever made Walt is a giant of animation and deserves respect. But come on, the man isn't Shakespeare or Dante. He isn't even one of the top 10 best artists of the 20th century.
the jews math'd it out and CGI shit like Frozen is more appealing to millions of people for a bunch of reasons
the real tragedy is epcot >be captain of industry >set the foundations for what could be a sci fi tier arcology of the future, of self-sufficient mini-states like some kind of ancap wet dream >die >the idea becomes an amusement park
god damn we almost lived in paradise instead of the internationalist league of mutts hellscape the world is currently collapsing under
>Create successful cartoon character, but lose rights to it because you were under contract. >Create new successful cartoon character, but now be kinda paranoid about your copyrights forever. >Get rich. Still enjoy pulling to the side of the road on the highway and having a picnic of pork and beans. >Buy your parents a new home so they can live in comfort, but the new home develops a gas leak an kills your mother. >Build the only non-crime-infested theme park in the country, but find you have been surrounded by hotels so you can't grow the park anymore. >Plan new better park on far side of country, but die of lung cancer before it gets built because you enjoyed cigars.
It's not the animations that made Walt great, but his vision for the future. Sure, it feels very retro nowadays, but there aren't many people "thinking big" these days. Like Elon Musk, and a couple of others trillionaires.
Asher Sullivan
One of the greatest animated films of all time. However, there are countless works of art that are superior; for instance, Andrei Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev and Franz Kafka's The Trial.
Ryder King
While animation is the most obvious venue, he pioneered all sorts of technologies in order to realize the ambition of his vision. He should be put up there with Kubrick, easily. If you don't understand the scope of his achievements and influence, and the profound beauty of his art, then you're simply ignorant.
Reminder that Walt screwed over poor (WHITE) orange farmers in central florida by buying up land for disney world covertly, paying them pennies for property that would be worth far more. He then used imported Mexican labor to build it because the whites wouldn't work for such low prices.
What he did was made illegal by the state of florida in the aftermath.
I admire Disney, but he made plenty of slop too. Pixar still pumps out the occasional winner, and some of the main division's recent animated films aren't bad. (It's too bad that they'll probably never do another hand drawn feature, though.) I think the woke nonsense is already starting to fade.
Logan Hall
His real name was Wadih Eliana Al-Disney. He was Iraqi.
There's no denying the importance of his technological innovations. He's one of the most important animators who ever lived. However, his films aren't very deep. They're simplistic morality tales for children. He deserves lots of respect, but he isn't one of the greatest artists of all time.
Joshua Cook
He oversaw the pioneering efforts that led to his vision. Not taking credit away, he was the visionary, his brother made it work financially, and he hired some seriously talented people for his studio, and set it up to encourage those pioneering efforts, like the MultiPlane Camera, to happen. He had no direct hand in inventing that, and he himself gave all credit to the guys who did, Ub Iwerks and William Garrity.
Walt was nothing without the Nine Old Men, and his engineers. And he knew that, and gave them full credit. And, he knew that a thinktank approach was crucial, which is why he set up Imagineering, the research arm of his studio.
The comparison to Kubrick isn't really accurate. As time went on, Walt didn't direct or write at all - he was heavily involved in all of the features, by he was mostly running the studio and letting others direct and do all the heavy lifting - and focused mainly on the parks, once all of that started. Kubrick was involved in every aspect of his movies, Walt wasn't. Walt is important. Not going to even claim he's not - but it's more about what he built, and allowed to happen, more than what he did hands on. He left the actual creation behind pretty early on in the studio's history, and was just the General, to the highly skilled troops.
He created the studio that made Fantasia, but he didn't draw a single frame of it.
Thats precisely it, he was the pioneer with the vision, everything had his stamp on it. It becomes more apparent when you see the films made without his guidance.
Ryder Ortiz
Have you watched Andrei Rublev or read The Trial? They're masterfully crafted works of art that explore some of mankind's deepest philosophical questions. I know I sound really pretentious right now, but it's practically impossible to avoid that when talking about art.
Kevin Williams
Dunno I liked his live action stuff like Swiss Family Robinson and Treasure Island more than the cartoons.
Colton Ward
>Dunno I liked his live action stuff like Swiss Family Robinson good taste killa
James Sullivan
Checked, but I'm not sure you're giving it enough credit. Just like the music he used in the film, sequences like Tocatta and Fugue, Claire de Lune, Night on Bald Mountain/Ave Maria... the art is fundamentally ambiguous. THey transcend parables, and I think what you said, at least pertaining to some of his art, is just factually incorrect. Ambiguity in art is literally infinitely deep, or maybe rather sidesteps the option of even critiquing it based on what sort of philosophy you consider deep, it's pure aesthetics. Even in something like Bambi, other than the environmentalism at the end, is mostly devoid of morals, and moreso simply explores nature itself. Not that archetypal storytelling itself isn't capable of being extremely good, or that at least some of his work isn't exactly what you say it is.
I'm struggling to articulate this in a way that isn't messy. Basically, that is flatly untrue, and if you were looking at some of the pieces I mentioned honestly there is no way you'd agree with your own statement.
Kayden Cruz
Well, he certainly didn't draw the movies he is credited for, and he didn't build the theme park that bears his name and uh, you know, I'm trying to think of what he did exactly.
I guess he was really good at telling others what to do?
>I guess he was really good at telling others what to do?
Hmmm almost like a director of some sorts.....
Carter Russell
>He created the studio that made Fantasia, but he didn't draw a single frame of it.
I don't know whether or not that's true, but even if it were it misses the point. He envisioned it and orchestrated its realization. Kubrick didn't act out a single line in 2001, or play a single note of it's score, and maybe didn't even touch the camera as it was actually rolling. Beethoven didn't play an instrument in the performance of his own symphonies.
Kubrick, Beethoven, Disney, etc. composed the art. The rest is absolutely essential extremely skilled work and they all deserve credit, but the composer is the visionary, without whom the people underneath would have no end toward which to work.
David Anderson
>to be fair Epcot is fun place to get wasted
What is it with white women getting drunk at Disneyland anyway
People just want figureheads. They actually fool themselves into believing one man does everything that affects the planet. Truth is, the strings that control events are imperceptible and not guided by a single fellow. It doesn't matter who the president of america is, the world will follow the exact same course it was. All a president of a country, or a corporation does is provide a fixation point for people while the natural currents that guide us play out.
Brandon Lopez
Is she really drawing on that picture without even looking at it.
But the company would not have existed without Walt. A President doesn't build the country.
Everything his company made, started with his vision. To even deny that, is ludicrous.
Dominic Reed
it's true. Hollywood has horrible confidence in itself now, they only bother with 90% guaranteed hits now, and it's usully based on brand recognition.
Samuel Hughes
He looks very Spanish, though. He could be one of Francisco Franco's generals.
Mason Ward
((()))
Ryan Morgan
Other people did all the hard work and he took all the credit. This isn't a communist thing, it's just a fact. Using your own logic, without all the employees, the company could not have existed. To deny that, is ludicrous.
look just listen for one second. As humans, we like to attribute things to a single man. but it's erroneous, and any person of intelligence knows that. Sailor moon is a result of the work of hundreds of people, not just the director.
I feel like there must be a sub-population of Jews that all of the anti-Semitic stereotypes applies to, just like there is with black people and white gentiles. There are plenty of Jews who are really cool and likable, but again, there's a sub-population that all of this negative shit definitely applies to 100%. Every race and ethnicity needs its own internal, right-wing death/re-education squads to sort out their messes.
Isaiah Miller
if you were blind. Disney looked Anglo-Norman if anything at all. Lanky and goofy.
Lincoln Scott
Dude, there's children who don't even know what traditional animation looks like.
James Gutierrez
Example?
Joseph Rodriguez
Walt Disney
Noah Sullivan
I ALREADY FIRED YOU
Brody Rivera
>haha you're posting things so I win
Ian Martinez
I mean, another example. Did you read the article?
They could be related. Must be the Spanish genes. >Disney looked Anglo-Norman if anything at all. Lanky and goofy. All Anglo-Normans are lanky and goofy?
>Andrei Rublev One of the greatest Soviet films of all time. However, there are countless works of art that are superior; for instance, the Old Testament and the Sistine Chapel See how that works?
>All Anglo-Normans are lanky and goofy? Okay that picture is a lot closer to Disney. There's definitely like a long-skulled look among the Normans which is also found in parts of Sicily. They could easily have made it to Spain by a number of routes as well. They have a physicality that I recognize pretty fast, mainly among the Irish or French.
Isaiah Taylor
Are they really English/Irish if they have brownish eyes? That's a Mediterranean trait. Somewhere in their family tree they have Med blood.
Matthew Gutierrez
Those were the days
Noah Cruz
They made jasmine look way more arabic
Jaxon Sullivan
>Are they really English/Irish if they have brownish eyes?
despite blue/light eyes being a majority in the british isles, brown/hazel eyes do exist on the islands too.
In another timeline he became the world's first super villain.
Julian Brooks
Worst part is he wasn't even really racist. He asked a gentile employee of his why he he was quitting to move to a studio that was notorious for giving preference to Jews in promoting. This got spun into the urban legends we know today.
>ignoring Emperor's New Groove Great unique art and excellent cast/comedy
Dominic Howard
that's the best out of the modern era disney
James Ramirez
The parks are honestly Walt's greatest gifts to mankind. Imagineering is the holiest of artforms, literally the work of making the impossible possible and the real unreal.
Luke Hall
He's no Paul Verhoeven, that's for sure. Nothing he made comes close to the masterpiece that is Robocop.
Jayden Watson
jews
Blake Williams
based and verhoevenpilled
William Howard
>including the black cauldron over the great mouse detective seriously the most overlooked disney movie
At least Eisner wasn't a power-hungry business jew with zero creativity like Iger.
Robert Nelson
This. For all his greed and his faults, Eisner still took the Disney legacy seriously and sincerely wanted to push creativity and imagination.
Josiah Barnes
>Disney Renaissance >Disney Animal Kingdom
Eisner is based
Andrew Thomas
Soul vs Soulless
Jace Robinson
You forgot based Roy fighting to his dying breath to keep it out of those kikes' hands.
Thomas Stewart
I miss him. I feel so privileged to have lived through an era where an actual Disney was still making decisions at WDA.
Jace Wood
The British are a mix of Southern Europeans that migrated to the British Isles early on and Scandinavians that invaded it (many times). Some look more Southern European and some look more Scandinavian.
Luke White
You mean making sure the company kept plummeting into disaster after disaster and leading it towards financial ruin? The parks falling apart and the movies using recycled footage? Oh yeah evil Eisner re-invigorating the company and ushering in the disney renaissance, expanding its media properties, and renovating and expanding the parks
Colton Russell
>Roy was in charge starting with Great Mouse Detective >maintained that hold against Eisner and his goons until 2009, the year he died and the year Disney's integrity instantly plummeted Roy was the Disney renaissance, you disgusting faggot.
Roy E Disney was an even bigger faggot and just figurehead puppet by Eisner. He didn't try anything. He also fought against sensible decisions by Disney like making Hunchback adult-orientated as well as having the Lion King be non-humanoid animals only.
Brayden Howard
So?
Matthew Richardson
I disagree, she looks more Indian than Arabic.
Juan Hernandez
I don't hate THE Jews. Just the ones who are cunts like I would with any religion/race/ethnicity etc.
Jeremiah Green
He actually didn't
1.) He hired tons of Jews and had them in top positions (including the head of his animation department, his most important division). All these employees said he never displayed any animosity.
2.) He made anti-nazi propaganda cartoons before it was mandated by the War Department
3.) He donated to zionist groups during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War
4.) He signed a letter passed around by JRR Tolkien condemning Nazi anti-semitism in 1938
5.) He was on the campaign board to elect Barry Goldwater for President, who was Jewish
The "walt disney is anti-semitic" meme began in the 1950s when Communists claimed it as a way to try and defame him for being anti-communist. At the time the nation had just recovered from WWII and anti-semitism was quite unpopular as a concept. Disney at the time vehemently denied the allegations.
Ironically, the "Walt Disney is anti-semitic" myth is propagated by the far-left and far-right, but for different reasons. The far-left in their attempts to defame an American icon, the far-right because they want to feel less ostracized and alone in the world.
cheers
Nolan Powell
>I'll draw you if you let me rape your anus.
What did he mean by this?
Jonathan Morris
>muh reddit boogeyman reddit and jews are the only 2 things you creatures can say
Katzenberg was a maker of kino at the time, such as Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King. When HE departed, Disney started to go to shit.
You're just obsessively angsty about Jews and make up these ridiculous stories.
William Wood
based and truthpilled
Brayden Smith
I wouldn't even put Walt within the top 5 greatest animators of all time; he was always more of a company manager than an actual "animator"
Luis Bell
>The "walt disney is anti-semitic" meme began in the 1950s when Communists claimed it as a way to try and defame him for being anti-communist. This. They tried doing the "he hated da joos" meme on the Pope as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_12
Luis Miller
Disney was a cynical, money hungry reactionary and by no means better than the people who followed him. He was the same as Eisner, Katzenberg and Iger.
Ian Jones
>reactionary What did you mean by this? He was a feudalist, monarchist or something? Or that he was just a capitalist?
Jack Williams
Elitist, anti-union, anti-worker.
Lincoln Green
gotcha
Dylan Torres
>be Walt Disney >hate jews >now jews own you company and built a monopoly out of it
Matthew Johnson
Even if that was true at least Disney didn't hypocritically larp as a progressive like Iger.
Benjamin Rogers
Communist bloc secret police were all over the place in their plans. The Stasi created most neo-nazi groups in modern Germany and directed them against Synagogues and such because they wanted to make West Germany seem Nazi-ish
Anthony Allen
Please point out his criticisms of different ethnic groups and we can discuss the validity of his claims.
Christian Sanders
Iger isn't that progressive as far as modern woke CEO's go. Disney is woke af but he's ambivalent to it all and doesn't care as long as it makes money
He switched from Democrat to Independent under the Obama Admin because he was quietly displeased with Obama during the Trayvon Martin stuff. He also worked with Trump's cabinet via the economic advisory board until it became politically destructive to do so after he left the Paris Climate Accord
Apparently he was furious with the results of Last Jedi on the fandom and tried to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy after Solo bombed, but a mutiny in Lucasfilm led by Kiri Hart forced him to backdown. He doesn't really have control over his own Star Wars division anymore, which is run by Kathleen Kennedy and Kiri Hart as a sort of personal fiefdom
Benjamin Smith
he didn't hate jews tho. See he'd probably be happy with the quasi-monopoly thing at least. Walt was very underhanded in his dealings with rivals and business in general
Gavin James
He was not particularly racist for the era. He never expressed support for things like Jim Crow or Nazism. Beyond making cartoon stereotypes of people common for the era and calling blacks negroes you won't get much. He was almost certainly prejudiced to a degree against blacks (but every white male at this time was to a degree) but the anti-semitism stuff really has no ground to stand on.
The ONLY evidence of Disney anti-semitism directly comes from an account that he joked with one of his jewish animators in a stereotypical yiddish accent. Seems p tame to me.
