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Defeating the regional superpower of Persia over and over in their own territory is surely a greater conquest

I watched Alexander yesterday and it was much better than I remembered.

>a bunch of pseudo-Greek larping barbarians can defeat Persia, but the entire might of the Roman empire at its peak can't

AHAHAHAHA HOW WILL ROMEBOOS EVER RECOVER

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Fucking finally I'm seeing the recognition this film deserves. This film is fucking KINO and I love it. Unironically on my list of Top 10.

Watched the ultimate/director's cut (?) last weekend, thoroughly enjoyed it even if it was a bit longer than it should've been.

>when Vangelis' soundtrack kicks in

I was surprised when I heard the movie was disliked. I thought it was pretty fucking good.

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Nobody ever matched Alexander's ambition to go further beyond because after his long campaign east he even had plans to start heading west.

I meant battles but yeah, some kid literally beat an empire that's been bullying Greek city states.

>>a bunch of pseudo-Greek larping barbarians can defeat Persia, but the entire might of the Roman empire at its peak can't
Rome never really tried. Caesar had the goal, but he was killed beforehand. Crassus invasion was just his own private army. Aside from that Rome was too overextended to conquer Persia, but they did practically end the Parthian dynasty and the Eastern half of Rome was the reason the Sassanian's collapsed to the Arabs.

I was impressed with the cinematography, I specially enjoyed the Gaugamela battle and, later, how they portrayed the foreign lands Alexander and the macedonians visit, from their point of view. The scene of the monsoon in India killing morale and taking men’s lives was beautiful.

The movie succeeded in setting up the grey morale of all the generals and Alexander himself. Alexander was fascinated by other cultures, but he did see himself as superior and deserving of adoration, while the generals were prejudiced towards other cultures but were right to complain about Alexander’s ego driving all of the army away from home, in a neverending quest for power disguised as a quest for “freedom and knowledge”.

Also, that sex scene with the woman Alexander married with was 10/10 and actually crucial for character development.

How is the Ultimate Cut compared to Revisited/"Final"?

Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan say hi, if the Khan between both of them (forgot his name hadn’t died of disease and a council hadn’t been summoned, chances are all of Europe would have been conquered by the monghols, cause Rome was decadent and the Horde had already defeated most of Eurasia’s big armies.

Alexander was great indeed for his time, though, but Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan achieved more.

Alexander's army survived a Teutoburg style ambush and recollected his men to strike back the following day.

Almost every scene is also rich with detail in costume, design and extras. While it doesn't adhere strictly to the historical narrative - and merges events together - it does an excellent job of depicting plausible actions.

>chances are all of Europe would have been conquered by the monghols,
That's a convenient excuse with no basis really. The Mongols got heavily bogged down in Eastern Europe. Their campagins in Hungary and Poland were unsuccessful aside from basic raiding and the Russians under Muscovy later annexed the Golden Horde (which used the same tactics as the Mongol Empire did).

The discussion was that nobody in his personnel could, they all wanted to bask in their newly found riches when Alexander wanted to keep going..

How were they unsuccessful? They struggled a lot in their Hungary / Poland campaigns, yes, but accomplished their jobs, according to the stuff I read.

oh I see, yeah, his generals wanted to bounce, he didn’t have the unquestioned loyalty that Julius Caesar had from most of his subjects.

this shit, Alexander and his army would have been destroyed the romans at its peak any day of the week

Alexander Revisted is the best one. In the ultimate cut is just revisited with some scenes cut out of it.

Completely underrated KINO. Some of his best work

>The Khans
Not to be a shitter but their predecessors didn't build anything like the Library of Alexandria to which is attributed to Ptolemy.

>be a macedonian Alexander’s general
>say fuck off to Cassander and the others after Alexander dies and leave with Alexander’s body
>go to Egypt, sit in Alexandria and declare yourself King of Egypt
>establish a lineage of egyptian kings that don’t speak their language
>establish a lineage of royal people that marry each other (wincest) to keep the bloodline pure

Based Ptolemy I, shame that his most famous descendant, Cleopatra, had to be a whore

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They were unsuccessful in the sense that the Mongols failed to achieve their aim of conquering these nations or gaining anything at all, really. They lost a large number of men, the loot they've gained from their raiding wasn't sufficient and they made very little territorial gains. Compare that to their invasion of the Khwarezmians and the difference is notable.

The mongols had absolutely not defeated most of eurasias big armies. They had defeated the royal armies of Poland and Hungary, which were two of the lesser european states. Both of these countries, especially Hungary, also allowed for the mongols to move with large bodies of horses. Also, when the mongols returned to Hungary a few decades later they suffered heavy losses and retreated.

To go further west would have pitted them against the much larger armies of the holy german empire as well as frankish and italian armies. The land would have been suitable to european style warfare due to it's lack of large grazing areas. There is a reason large bodies of cavalry were not moved through central and western europe.

There's a reason the phalanx went out of style.

That's like saying the infantry of today would curbstomp the infantry of centuries' past.
Of course they would.

Alexander's army, at it's peak after he had defeated Persia, was roughly 150000 men, counting auxiliaries. A roman army was usually half that size.

building is for fags, Genghis created the colored tent system.

First day of a city siege, he’d raise a white tent and allow the governor to surrender and be kept alive as a puppet leader. If no one surrendered, on the second week he’d raise a red tent and allow the city itself to surrender on the condition that all male adults must die. If they still didn’t surrender, he’d raise the black tent on the third week, which meant all living men, women and children would die and the city would be destroyed, every stone would be removed, except for a handful of men that would be sent to other cities to warn them of Genghis’ method.

Didn't they bury this nigga alive?

Alexander too abandoned the phalanx during his campaigns in Sogdia, Bactria and India. While his foot companions were trained in pike warfare, they were also trained in a number of other roles. For instance, during siege warfare they fought as swordsmen - like the romans. In India they fought more like traditional greek hoplites, albeit most likely much more maneauverable in order to suit the macedonian fighting style of combined arms. The greek term Thurephoroi is probably closer to the truth, a term used during the hellenic period to denote a spearmen which could both fight in a tight formation, but also skirmish with javelins.

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Most kino ending?

holy german empire was SHIT in the thirteenth / fourteenth century, they were destroying themselves from the inside, an all-out war would have destroyed them even faster than they did themselves in the hundred years after the mongol invasions of Europe.

Is this the only time in history that a turtling strategy worked in geopolitics?

He was a madman.

nah, he died of traditional poisoning or alcohol poisoning

Its because this kino relationship was to gay for the general populace at the time of its release. Leto was a QT in this movie

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Didn't know that. How can one man be so based.

>tfw he was an ESTP Chad just like me

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>Be Macedonian
>Shouts ALEXANDER IS A PUSSY
>Point to a greek soldier and yell HE SAID IT

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More like a basedman
>claim one of the more prosperous, defensible corners of the empire as yours
>tell the other Successors to fuck off while you raise your incest-dynasty

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Maybe an external threat would have united them?
I mean the romans and franks fought together against the Huns so you never know.

Can confirm, I remember my mom getting really mad at the gay relationships in that movie, she said the movie was shit because of it and it took me years to watch because I thought it was a fag movie.

>mfw when one of the tags of the movie on Netflix is LGBTQ film, a clear mistake in analyzing the point of the movie

Scenes women will never understand

The idea of the macedonian foot soldier as primarily a pikeman comes partly from the hellenic times when that's pretty much all they fought as. But out of all of Alexander's 20+ battles (counting sieges) they probably only drew up in pike formation 5 or 6 times. It's tough to know exactly, because the greek word phalanx is best translated simply into "shield wall" or "shield formation" which can mean a number of things.

But the Alexander realized that when fighting in the mountains or in the jungle, as he did for most of his later campaigns, the pike formation was not very useful.

>Here's your qt Persian gf (male), bro

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western romans would probably laugh as East Rome was getting destroyed, then they’d go “oh shit” when they turn into next target

Based Ptomely. Greek heritage in Egypt is kino.

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what is a ESTP?

He didn't swim so good

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>be German middle of nowhere aristocrats
>become the kings of the British empire overnight

Cleopatra was peak whore though.

>Both Alexander and Julius Caesar only living legitimate male descendants were brutally killed by former allies of their dads when they were teenagers

REEEEE WHY CANT HISTORY BE LIKE MY KINO ANIMES WHERE THE SON OF THE LEGENDARY HERO, WHO LOST EVERYTHING, RETURNS HOME AND BRINGS GLORY TO THEIR NAME ONCE AGAIN

Imagine how kino it would be...
>Though young Caesarion had many virtues but he was clearly not good in politics. He travelled to Alexandria and upon arriving he received a major setback. Far from returning his throne, Octavian had him immediately imprisoned. He was soon executed as Octavian believed in Arius Didymus’ philosophy “Too many Caesars is not good”. After the death of Caesarion, Octavian achieved complete control over Egypt.
I can’t bring myself to talk shit about based Augustus though

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Do women just get mad when they don't see any possbility to have sway over gay chads.

>Augustus has one daughter
>she's a turbo-thot that fucks half of Rome behind his back before he finds out

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>be a bunch of third class farmers from the new world
>become the cultural capital of the world

God plays some sick jokes

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You wouldn't fuck Augustus' sister if she offered?

daughter*

He wasn't really wrong to kill him unless he wanted Rome to experience its third civil war in as many decades.

That’s my guess, Alexander wouldn’t bow to a pussy.

>imagine having a daughter...

by the time of his death, Alexander had a 10 year bastard son by his first concubine whom she named Heracles. Of course he was killed by one of the fucking Diadochi when he was 15 before he could claim his father's throne.

Imagine the diseases

If Octavian was truly loyal to Julius, he’d have killed Mark Anthony and raised Caesarion himself as his heir

Yeah but it's the Caesar's daughter.

Why would he kill Antony when Julius held him in great esteem?

I like it but Farrell is mostly pretty bad. Soundtrack not up to it either.

That still would've been way too dangerous.

>Im not joking, I have the words to this scene tattood on my body.

fucking wild eyed shit resonated w/me. I was like 17yo, and saw this in theatres. Literally led me down a life path of Alexander worship.

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only the politicians would recognize her, you as a plebeian would simply think she’s an aristocrat whore having fun with bulls and slaves in Venus or Bacchus’ day

black cleitus' death scene was probably the high point of the whole thing

They literally went to war with each other, they wanted the seat of power

fuck yes. many times over the centuries. and there was a lot of known strategy to defeat them, with fire, and starting a panic to cause them to route their own operators armies. good shit from Alexander, Hanibal, and Roman conquests of various territories.

augustus had a big flaw though. he never managed to get a worthy successor, because he had made the whole system rely on him.

Her presence will not announced in the festivals of Bacchus?

WHAT DO YOU CALL YOURSELF NOW? SON OF ZEUS-AMON?

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Julius waged war against Pompey the Great but he didn't hate him, he just disagreed.

pompey was just butthurt that Julius was rivaling and surpassing him in terms of military campaigns.

She would not fuck people in the main events near the senate, she would fuck randos in her estates or disguised in whorehouses around the capital. It would be too much of a scandal if she fucked people during an official event, even though everyone knew she was a whore

>Both Alexander and Julius Caesar only living legitimate male descendants were brutally killed by former allies of their dads when they were teenagers
Good fuck them, build your own empire instead of riding daddy’s coattails.

But the system he created (and the empire as well) managed to outlive his own dynasty by centuries

>And the Empire?
>Oh that will go on, as Livia said it would. But they'll be no more Claudians after Nero. He'll be the last. But the Emperors won't be a bad lot after him. Well, give or take a few

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kino about the succession wars when?

Octavian was mad cause Mark Anthony wouldn’t recognize him as the adopted son of Julius after his death, though, it was much more personal.

>Good fuck them, build your own empire instead of riding daddy’s coattails *sips*

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>you will never follow a great leader like Alexander the Great
why even live

Ancient history is gay and so are all of you

Caligula movie is over the top and a disguised porn movie, but it’s fun as fuck

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fuck off discord tranny

>Alexander was great indeed for his time, though, but Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan achieved more.

I don't think anyone you mentioned "achieved more" than Alexander. He is just the all around golden standard every ambitious man compared themselves to. Except for the khans who didn't give a shit about anyone but Genghis.

kek

>I don't serve your purpose?! What was I serving when I saved your puppy-life at Gaugamela?! Were you Zeus' boy?! What if I left you to die in the dust there? You think we'd be forced now to mate with brown apes?!!!

>you will never hear words like “Conquer fear and you’ll conquer death itself!” from your leader while you pee and shit yourself before a battle where the chance of death / mutilation for standard soldiers was 87%, all for the simple reason of FUCK THE BARBARIANS

don’t know why I even bother

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Never. Normies didn't like sandal kino and rather watch capeshit.

*blocks your path*

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God, you are all such pussies.

10/10

yeah but dozens if not hundreds of emperors turned out to be shit, or got killed by the corrupt praetorian guard before they could do anything usefull.
>nero did nothing wrong

Son, Julius was a pampered bitch under Marius for a long time, came from a rich traditional roman family. Same for Augustus, under Julius, and Alexander, under Philip.

Genghis was the son of a very small tribe leader and got FUCKED by his men and left to die, he picked himself up and built the largest empire of them all.

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delete

Because Oliver Stone is a jew and of course he has to jew up european history. And then he used his faggot bullshit as a cover to immunize himself against any/all criticism of his movie. "If you didn't like my movie it's because you're a homophobe, goy!"

The indian battle scene would've been better if Stone didn't go all 2001 with the visual effects eye cancer.

i don't know if it's directly credited but it follows quite closely mary renault's trilogy. she's a lesbian.

>build largest empire of all time
>all your successors get thoroughly assimilated by the nations they conquered to the point they're just LARPing after the second generation, turn into the same decadent wastrels that you toppled in the first place
>leave no significant cultural, philosophical, artistic, etc contribution to the human race; the most sympathetic historians can say about your legacy is that the resulting stability of a unified Central Asia boosted economic growth like a Cato Institute talking point

wew lad

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fuck this cocksucker. ran his mouth at the wrong time. but he was a bro on the battlefield. but you cant out "chad" alexander

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there's a nice scene in Cleopatra where Jullius and her are at Alexander's tomb and he's lamenting how much he'd achieved at such an age compared with his own achievements.

but it's well known the greeks didn't give a shit about men fucking men.
hell even the spartans the supposed perfect manly warriors had buttsex with little boys

Sorry but Alexander was always gay

>>all your successors get thoroughly assimilated by the nations they conquered to the point they're just LARPing after the second generation, turn into the same decadent wastrels that you toppled in the first place

Cleopatra was the first ptolemaic monarch to even bother to learn Egyptian.

I don't think Alexander was a full blown faggot but it is quite well known that he held Hephaestion as his closest and best friend that some writers like to dramatize that by making them both gay.

it’s the cycle of life. Fat men get weak, strong men come and conquer what they had, strong men get rich and fat, their children grow fat as well and become weak due to no struggle, strong men come and conquer what they had...

Couple of reasons, personally
1) The narrative structure , constantly jumping back and forth. Yes, he was trying to do a pottery thing with it, but it just didn't work well
2) Battle of Gaugamela as indeed kino, but the problem is that's literally what they start the movie off with. Basically blowing its load within the first few minutes, and then we don't get another real battle sequence until India. And starting off at Gaugamela also means we didn't get to see kino like Tyre or getting crowned pharaoh in Egypt
3) overall it's just too fucking long for the events we actually get to see. I would've been okay with the timespan if we got to see more events of Alexander's conquests, but we didn't

>Cleopatra was the first ptolemaic monarch to even bother to learn Egyptian.

Based

yeah, Alexander achieved most of his great deeds in his 20s, while Julius was a glorified NEET until his late thirties, when he killed Asterix and Onelix.

And the scholars looked down upon it, especially Athenians.

Because they knew they'd never be able to secure any of it. That's also why Hadrian withdrew from mesopotamia after Trajan conquered it.
Yeah, Alex conquered a ton of shit, but a couple years later it all broke up. Sure, the successor states were still hellenic, but from Rome's POV, expanding rapidly like that past the point where they're able to hold down their already-overextended empire, so it all breaks apart even worse, just isn't worth it.

>Athenians
Laughing-Spartans.jpg

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It sits wrong with me how they portrayed Phillip

also this version of his speeh at Opis is better

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LIVIN' THE DREAM
PORKIN THE QUEEN (male)
Simple as

spartans women had lots of freedom though, they could even own their own shops or assume leadership roles.
meanwhile athentian women weren't even allowed outside the house unless her husband was with her.

They didn't even try outside of a meme general wanting to buff his resume and Trajan who succeeded. Bruh.

Literally nothing from history actually indicates that. The people pushing for Alexander to be some sort of gay icon are just politicizing him and then coming up with ad hoc justifications for what they want to be the case, such as saying "hurr durr he married some backwater bactrian girl, this must prove he was a fag!"

shame their own extreme selection was what fucked them over in the end.
the got outbred by everyone else.

>why did you cry? Will you tell me now?
>Because I had lost something.
>What?
>A lifetime. Mine.
>Nonsense.
>Having conquered the world, he died at 32. I am 52. My remaining ambition is to keep the world from conquering me.

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Who was the most handsome diadochus and why was it Seleucus?

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why is this guy memed to death?

The mods wanted to ban you for asking CARRMMMELLLLA CLLOOOSSE THHEEE DOOORR
but im keeping our dream alive my friends.

Kino

>when it's 3AM and your bro wants to head out to yet another bar

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>>leave no significant cultural, philosophical, artistic, etc contribution to the human race; the most sympathetic historians can say about your legacy is that the resulting stability of a unified Central Asia boosted economic growth like a Cato Institute talking point
it fuelled the islamic golden age, so there's that.

So insane, in all of three generations they went from nobodies to rulers of millions upon millions of miles. You just can't fucking do that anymore. Back then you could gather up a host of men and practically do anything with enough determination.

his gay lover died a few weeks before he died

hmm....

>bars serving drinks past 2 AM
Where do you live?

Tyre was almost a failure for him. It took him way too long to take Tyre. He also crucified all the people. If anything, Tyre is what people use to argue he was not great.

Anonymous was a hero of Yea Forums's Yea Forums board, but look at him now. Janitors know every user's post number. He has committed a terrible sacrilege, and he will pay for it with his Yea Forums pass. As will any user here who breaks the global rules. Off topic threads will be deleted. Bait- and shitposters will be banned. Spartacusposters. WILL. BE. RANGE. BANNED.

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yeah, the only bad part about the movie was the retarded filter there

>gay lover
They were bros.
When Alexander got Darius' daughter, he gave her sister to Heph, making him an actual brother by marriage.

lmfao
Based Rome poster

youre fucking retarded, greeks invented man-boy love

ancient history is way more interesting than medieval shit

Tell me more about Seleucus

They called it the Hellenistic Period for a reason. Greek was lingua franca across all the successor states for a very long time, even after the downfall of the hellenic kingdoms themselves. Eastern Rome was culturally greek up through the byzantine period and beyond because of Alexander. Even after the Parthians took over Persia, the empire was still administered in greek and with greek customs. Greco-Bactria, Indo-Greek, tons of migration from greeks into all the different kingdoms, etc etc etc.

Saying Alexander's conquests had no lasting effect is like saying Genghis Khan's conquests had no lasting effect.

They fucked men and women, mate.

Alexander was fuckin' Hephaiston

Redpill me on The Ultimate Cut that I'm currently trying to download. Only ever seen theatrical version.

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alexander probably just got malaria in india

>there were greek fags
>therefore every greek was a fag
fuck off, faggot. No evidence whatsoever of Alex being a pole smoker

it's a few things removed from the "final" cut.

aristotle was fuckin alexander

Imagine if he didn't die and got to conquer arabia and carthage like he was planning

I was talking about Genghis bro...

Carthage would've exposed him as the hack he was.

genghis khan conquests had no lasting effect

That's what makes him great.
And yes, he was furious that the city thought impenetrable and wouldn't relent.

1 in 200 men are direct descendants from ghenghis khan

it's a nice alt history scenario to be sure

>[18.4.4-5] The following were the largest and most remarkable of the plans.

"It was intended to build 1,000 warships larger than triremes in Phoenicia, Syria, Cilicia and Cyprus for the expedition against the Carthaginians and the other inhabitants of the coastal area of Africa, Iberia and the neighboring coasts as far as Sicily; to build a coastal road in Africa as far as the Pillars of Heracles, and, as required by such a large expedition, to build harbors and shipyards at suitable places;
to build six expensive temples at a cost of 315 ton silver each (the temples just mentioned were to be built at Delos, Delphi and Dodona, and in Macedonia there was to be a temple of Zeus at Dion, one of Artemis Tauropolus at Amphipolis, and at Cyrnus one of Athena);
in addition, to settle cities and transplant populations from Asia to Europe and vice versa from Europe to Asia, to bring the largest continents through intermarriage and ties of kinship to a common harmony and feeling of friendship.
Likewise there was to be built at Troy a temple of Athena which could never be excelled in size by any other.
A tomb for his father Philip was to be constructed which would be as large as the greatest pyramids in Egypt, which some reckon among the Seven Wonders of the World."

so where did this fucker get buried?

Nah, Carthage's strength was its prowess at sea. Alexander could've swept across the libyan coast and BTFO them right there and then.

Fuck knows.

>response to the Tyrians having executed some of his soldiers on the walls, in sight of the attackers

source? these are lies spread by Antipater

t. brainlet

>the complete shut down of Islamic expansion to the east
>China
>Unified Russia to oppose the Mongols ruling them
>I just realised this is bait and will stop here

Well Ptolemy stole his body while it was en route from Babylon, and then it was kept on display in Alexandria up through at least Cleopatra's time. No idea about after that.

>in addition, to settle cities and transplant populations from Asia to Europe and vice versa from Europe to Asia, to bring the largest continents through intermarriage and ties of kinship to a common harmony and feeling of friendship.
Disgusting.

One question remains, was Alexander good looking?

You don't kill off 5% of the entire world's population without having a lasting effect, retard.

this is pretty good if you can find people to play with.

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"Hephaestion was the one whom Alexander loved, and for the rest of their lives their relationship remained as intimate as it is now irrecoverable: Alexander was only defeated once, the Cynic philosophers said long after his death, and that was by Hephaestion's thighs" (Alexander the Great, pg. 56).

It was a different time. Also keep in mind that ancient ethnic groups aren't always the same as modern ones. For example central asia was totally different back before invasions by turks/mongols/etc.

Alexander is more comparable to Subutai

>user asks for source
>receives modern conjecture

Okay, Arrian and Plutarch.

When's my boy Tamerlane gonna get some love? Ghengis and Alexander were noble by birth. Tamerlane was a peasant commoner and a fucking cripple and still made it big.

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>Ghengis noble by birth
Bruh.

he was ok

literally no he didnt. Aristotle, jealous of Alexander, assassinated him.

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that was a reference to the trainings they had as children, it’s not sexual in any way.

Genghis objectively had the hardest start but I too want some skull pyramid kino

He was though. Sure, he still had to fight and unite the other mongol clans, but he was still noble by birth and not a nobody like Timur

Eh, the Seleukid kingdom still continued the practice of training the phalangites as peltasts so they could fight in difficult terrain and sieges.

Phalanx is a good formation for killing Persians, who just use shitloads of archers

Captain of the Silver Shields when Alexander died, became satrap of Babylon, had to escape when Antigonos came and served as an admiral for Ptolemy, later returned and retook Babylon, conquers all of Alexander's asian holdings except for land near India, got a bunch of elephants from the indians after giving up land, used said elephants to gain victory for the anti-Antigonid coalition at Ipsus, keeps conquering shit but refuses to fight his bro Ptolemy even tho Ptolemy took lower Syria which was supposed to go to Seleucus after Ipsus, later invades Thrace and preparing to conquer Macedon when a Ptolemy nigger murders him after being given refuge. Seleucus body was taken by Attalus of Pergamon and returned to the new Seleukid king, Antiochus I, and Attalus is given nominal independence. Fun fact# Seleucus was one of the few officers wed to a Persian noblewoman by Alexander who DIDNT divorce her, the Seleukid dynasty is therefore partly Iranian.

>Maybe an external threat would have united them
Real world politics aren't as cut and dry

A mini series with Alexander reign woudl be kino indeed, and would cover all of that.

The film revolved to much on him becoming "persian" and the deteoraating relation with his soldiers. If they go to Egypt, Tyre, Granicus or Issus, it would be too much in a single movie.

So a mini series would be great. Same for Napoleon.
A single movie would work well for Hannibal. Just do a bit of backrounding and then lauch the campaign across the alps.

Are there any movies about Ancient Persians that don't paint them as literal comic book villains?

>tfw no Zoroastrian kino

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I guess. it's still a rather large gap from cannae to zama.

there are a few biblical movies set in babylon but that's about it. Not really sure as to why there's such a shortage of contemporaneous persian sources either.

islam

Which cut is the best one?

"Son", I don't disagree that Genghis did good, but compared to Alexander, no. He united a bunch of nomadic tribes and went on to burn half of China.
Not the same as Alexander who decided west Asias fate until the muslim conquests, 1500 years later.

And that picture you show is not Genghis Khans empire.

You could do that today

Based on this thread, it seems to be revisited.
Haven't seen that one though.

Kek

Please continue, the part about Islamic expansion being crushed pleased me

the technology gap between mongols and chinese was huge compared to Macedonians and persians, though. It was much harder to do what Genghis did.

Tell me why the history tv threads are always the kinoest

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>After release, while it performed well in Europe, the American critical reaction was negative
why are americans like this?

not hero related, so most of the shitposters don’t bother coming to this thread

>The fucking Mountain was there

the hound?

>pseudo greek barbarians
Silly Athenian

Modern americans cant say anything good about Iran's ancestors until Iran becomes pro-america, either through force or not. Just like it happened with Japan.

Ah yes. My mistake.

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This is the most chad speech in the filn

Won't happen because jews (and by extension, America) absolutely hate Iran, and therefore there can never be anything about them, even from thousands of years ago, portraying them as protagonists.