There is no hope of it being even half good is there?
>14 books
>huge numbers of unique cities that'll require expensive sets
>your dark one is in another castle for several series
>entire books where nothing of note happens
>most of the female cast are abusive and ultra bitches and we won't even get their internal monologues to tone them down
>Matt's spanking scene will be cut
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>I told you you can be on equal footing with the tower and for that you will be. KNEEL!
Based rand. Everyone quotes the moments before and after but this is the real power of the quote and moment.
>Rand won't have a harem of cute tomboy waifu Min, tough warrior princess/Wise One Aviendha, and annoying Queen Elayne
Kiruna drew herself up proudly. Whatever she was, she was certainly no farmer.
>“You forget who we are. They may have mistreated you, but we—”
>“I forget nothing, Aes Sedai,”
Rand said coldly.
>“I said six could come, but I count nine. I said you would be on an equal footing with the Tower emissaries, and for bringing nine, you will be.
>They are on their knees, Aes Sedai. Kneel!”
Does ANYONE like Elayne? She's annoying, she's a bitch from start to finish, she's responsible for the worst filler, hundreds of thousands die because of her stupidity on multiple occasions.
There are so few moments where the Aes Sedai get humbled after all the shit they pull but it's so satisfying...
was it autism?
>starts an entitled princess brat
>ends an entitled queenly brat
Less annoying then nynaeve
t. Halfway through book 8
At the start of the series, I hated Nynaeve. At the end, she was one of my favorite characters, second only to Rand. If you have any taste at all, you'll grow to love her
>Less annoying then nynaeve
stop. Nynaeve is one of the few based female characters in this series, both before and after sanderson shat on half the cast.
>when the author gets alzheimers before ending the series
Reasons to write off this overrated shit.
no, considering one of the main themes in the story is how without "male-female" power balance everything went to shit in the hands of the women of the world, there is zero chance this gets accurately adapted.
Is it as trashy as game of thrones? If it is I'm sure it will be massively successful.
well GOT author and WOT original authors were huge fans of each other. As for trashy, the MC gets to fuck 3 women as a legit harem, where the 3 girls all agree to share him. one of the MC's friends fucks girls across half the continent, so they could trash Matt up a bit I guess, then he gets raped by a milf for a book, before wedding a violent pint sized legal loli tsundere. His other best friend marries a masochist who wants him to "dominate" her (she was definitely a better character in book 3, she was insufferable the rest of the story)
There are lots of lesbians too, so I guess they can smut up some of the Aes Sedai stuff. And the Maidens of the Spear and Aiel stuff is a lot of naked people.
Problem is the books are written in a way the smut is mostly implied, and you could cut almost all the smut out without altering a single thing about the story.
If I was going to rewrite the story for TV, I would do it like this
EP1 - double length: we get massive war, maybe show Lews Theron's raid on the Bore. This will allow us to see the "13 forsaken" captured in the seal, trollocs, myr, mt doom, get Lews Theron's madness and the breaking... Of course to pull this off we'd need almost a marvel style war budget, so unlikely to get. but I think you need it to set the backstory, as the prologue in book 1 sucks, and as a reader it means nothing and is a terrible way to start a series. End the first half of the episode with the prologue (now that we have some context). This will also give the viewers reason to suspect "Ba'alzamon" true identity, something which comes out of left field for casuals who don't read the books too close (one of the worst handled mysteries in the series). This also will give us a chance to see what was "LOST" in the breaking, so that it can mean something to the viewer, and give context to the hate and fear Male Channelers pose to the people of the world. To see humanity go from a techno-magical super society, far advanced beyond today's day and age, to a late middle ages level setting would be jarring, and lend needed weight to the concept of the "breaking" Maybe end the episode with the scene of the aiel being sent off with the items of power, and the discussion about the prophacy of the dragon~ granted it's from a much later book but I think it sets up everything that comes later and invests the viewer far better then anything we get in the first book.
The book series has a very weird tone. There's lots of sex, violence,and torture but it's portrayed in an weirdly innocent way. It's like JK Rowling tried to write GoT
Men get raped or abused a lot in the series and it's always portrayed as funny. Even when Matt is crying himself to sleep because he's raped every night, often at knife-point. Maidens kiss is a fucked up 'game' used to trick the innocent.
There is a lot of nudity, lots of 'not-explicitly-described-as-but-clearly-is' lesbianism.
There's a whole bunch of forced or heavily pressured servitude. The book goes into detail about how horrible the slave collars are but rarely gives much thought about the ethics of bonding (being made a lifelong servant by magic).
It's a bit all over the place. You've people blushing when they hold hands, but then you've got sorceresses keeping a harem of mind-raped sex slaves, women getting trapped in a wet dream and raped.
Nynaeve is fucking based you philistine. She's one of the most selfless and loyal people in the entire series and only cares about protecting the kids from home. Everything "annoying" about her is just her being insecure.
Ep2 - two would start where book 1 starts, with Rand and his Father heading to the two rivers. End the episode on the winternight raid,
Ep3 - Rand sneaking back to the farmhouse, killing the trolloc, finding his father, and getting back to the village, the Aes Sedai, his dad dying, maybe end on them fleeing the village.
Ep4 - Leaving the 2 rivers, maybe cut in some world meta, like the rise of Mazrim Taim in the north. Maybe Logain on his way north, captured by aes sedai, we can intro Cadsuane and/or the Red Ajah here.
Ep5 - Trolloc assault and Shadar Logoth
Ep6 - Party split
Ep7 - Matt/Rand/Thom's Journey to Whitebridge plus Myr
Ep8 - Perin/Eggy journey to whitecloak capture
Ep9 - Morianne/Lan/Nynaeve journey to Perin/Eggy rescue
Ep10 - Matt/Rand journey to Caemlyn
Ep11 - Rand's fun in Caemlyn, plus meeting Elaine, seeing Logain, party gathering, Matt Healing
Ep12 - Waygate to boarderlands
Ep13 - Shienar -> Blight
Ep14 - Eye of the world, season end.
I've tried to read the first book like 4 times and never make it more than 150pgs in.
Should I just stick with my pleb shit like Sanderson?
book 1 is fine once you get past Shadar Logoth. It's a bit of a slog to get there though because the author really starts the series poorly.
have you seen the guy writing the script?
he is the stereotypical söyman and constantly coos about how much of a feminist he is
of course it's doomed
Nynaeve is fuckng garbage.
Never forget two of mats men died while being her bodyguard in the rahad to balefire, and not only did she not let mat know. She went and married lan and spent the night fucking instead. She didnt even tell him in the morning and lan implies she was going to keep it secret when he told mat what happened. Worst "good guy" character hands down.
>books 8-11
CRINGE
Nah, showing too much of what happened when the seal made TV Writers gotta have their mystery boxes. The age of legends is
Show The Dragon and his groups channeling at some sort of massive entity, show him start succeeding, beginning to gloat, only for the dark one to do one last surge and for a bunch of weaves to flow into Lews. The channelers around celebrate, have the seals in their hands and they turn to Lews, discover he's insane and reality warping shit happens.
Once the tone is done, you've a montage of male channelers going insane and the breaking, all whilst the prophecies are narrated.
It would need to be changed from how it's described in the book because shitloads of stuff in the first book was retconned.
It's gonna be 10 one hour long episodes per season and we already have enough episode titles to reasonably assume it's going to cover two books per season.
WoT is basically Filler: The Series
Jordan was an even bigger faggot than GRRM
Like maybe 10 notable things happen in 14 fucking books worth of crap.
They've already made comments about how terrible the women have it in this series and that they'll be changing that to make it right.
I don't know how anyone can read the Wheel of Time at any length and have a take home of "wow, the women have it really bad in this series".
the only ethical dilemma we see regarding bonding is when whats her face force bonds rand and he engages the grump
>women have it bad in WOT
>the world is a matriarchal shithole they made a disaster themselves with 3k years of rule.
What the fuck?
Iirc the complaints have been mostly about "women often get raped and captured while the men just get killed". Though I'm not sure if the showrunner was the one to bring this up or whether he just vaguely agreed with some redditor who has an issue with this.
There's a whole bunch of "I WILL bond him" attitudes by the women. It's not exactly taking them by force but the at the same time they tend not to have much say in the matter. Plus Lan literally gets passed around against his will.
The Aes Sedai and the Aeil are both fucked up examples of female led societies, because the primary thing both of them do is rape dudes. Like a lot. Aes Sedai straight up magically enslave their fuck toys, and the Aiel just do the same thing by violence.
And yeah this is portrayed as being totally haha funny.
My peepee got hard when he introduced the collars
>finish the series
>find out a month later what “pillow friends” actually means (I thought it meant sleepovers)
> Novices and Accepted commonly enjoy these relationships as comfort during the hardships of White Tower training, but are viewed as a thing of girlhood and are almost universally abandoned upon gaining the shawl. Some attempt to continue the relationships even as Aes Sedai though.
>Moiraine and Siuan were pillowfriends
>Aran'gar and Graendal were pillowfriends
Matt loved every second of that whole ordeal, what he didn't like was being dressed up in colorful clothes.
The entire series is one giant fetish fest. Jordan was based as fuck.
you mean when three forsaken fuck up badly (two get killed, one fucks up the tower split), you know genocidal traitors to humanity get raped by a myr? no one else gets raped.
No he didn't. It's very clearly rape and he fucking cries because of it. Tylin keeps him guarded and doesn't let him leave and won't give him food unless he let's her fuck her while holding a knife to his throat.
>no one else gets raped.
Yeah except Mat. But we're talking about insane man haters here so don't expect them to look at things objectively. If a woman experiences bad thing, it's misogynist.
>Tylin
she's still a delicious Milf, and the only reason matt doesn't like it is because he likes CHASING girls not being chased. that plus he doesn't like the frilly clothing she forces on him.
reminded, one is Moghedien, one is Lanfear and the other is Mesaana. Moghedien and Lanfear were both off screen Mesaana was half off screen, and due to her fucking up the tower split so thoroughly that though she had control of the tower she had lost all control over it.
furthermore these SJWs are so insane they are upset a woman who had children rounded up and torture and kill each other and their own parents as being a victim of sexual assault? Her end was too easy on her.
The whole "it's not supposed to be like this, I'm the one who's supposed to do the chasing" is clearly him trying to rationalize the rape to himself. He is crying and being starved and he is notoriously bad at being honest to himself. And besides, even though he likes to chase girls, he is very clear on consent and a dance and a kiss on the cheek is often all he wants. Tylin's style of "chasing" is something he would never do himself.
It's really fucked how many people go the "god I wish that were me" -route when it comes to Mat and Tylin when it was pretty obviously Jordan attempting to flip the "usual" situation on its head and have the genders reversed, like he does with fucking everything. Mat gets raped by a powerful ruler and when he tries to tell about it, all he gets is "lmao dude you probably enjoyed it you slut". The parallels are fucking obvious yet so many completely miss this.
I only read the first book and it felt like a more kids friendly Lord of the Rings
Lanfear got her neck snapped by Perrin didn't she? Also, Mesaana didn't really get raped, she had her mind broken and became a vegetable.
Men can't be raped dummy.
The first book is very much LOTR lite. The series kinda spreads out and widens in scope after the first book
asha'man kill
I'm not talking about their end, Lanfear was trained by Shaidar Haran after her rebirth, Moghedien was trained by Shaidar Haran after being freeded from the A'dam. Mesaana was trained by shaidar haran after fucking up the tower split.
That training involved rape and torture.
Yes, Lanfear died to Perrin, Mesaana a vegetable, and Mogheiden captured as a damane (which was the harshest end of all the forsaken)
"Cadsuane," he said softly, "do you believe that I could kill you? Right here, right now, without using a sword or the Power? Do you believe that if I simply willed it, the Pattern would bend around me and stop your heart? By... coincidence?"
>Ep11 - Rand's fun in Caemlyn, plus meeting Elaine, seeing Logain, party gathering, Matt Healing
This was my favorite part of book 1 and one of my favorites of the whole series. Jordan was much better at writing this type of medieval fantasy setting than all the goofy political maneuvering stuff that came later.
>Mesaana didn't really get raped,
the rape was before she died lad. It was a punishment for missing a meeting.
My bad.
Who did this happen to other than the female forsaken?
He's not good at writing politics.
Everything involving Elaine was painful.
>wow we've magically come upon the best solution and by luck it involves exactly what I want!
She has more Ta'veren stuff happen to her than the Matt and Perrin combined. but it's always portrayed as a political masterclass.
Mat was literally raped. And that thicc forsaken rapes guys all the time.
>perrin in the dream
>sees the aes sedai doing their stupid harry potter battle
>walks in
>makes it known that nothing they do can hurt him and they are amazingly weak
>wanders off to continue is DBZ battle with the hunter
Absolutely based.
the leader of the group of black sisters
The only thing that bugged me about that was the hunter not doing all the shit he could do back when they met at the Two Rivers.
I honestly assumed it was because whomever rand liked was getting a passive boost to their luck modifier and it would have been explained that way...but that explaination never came and I was just over thinking things...
>It's just a weave
The books are too long for no reason trash
I always liked Nynaeve, but she got much better after the near-miss balefire incident in book 7. On the other hand, Elayne never had any redeeming part to her personality. She was just a hot channelling prodigy queen.
It's just bad writing sadly, no deeper meaning.
Having her benefit passively from Rand's pattern bending as your own headcannon probably doesn't make it less frustrating though.
Also helps if you try to ignore the golden rule for plans/political maneuvers in the series: the more confident they are in something, the less likely it is to work, if they have no condifence in a plan and are waiting for it to fail, it'll go smoothly without a hitch.
I just couldn't finish the series myself. I hated everyone except Rand and Mat. I dont know if Robert Jordan hated women or something but they were all horrible.
ive read the whole thing and most other well known fantasy and id say skip it. stick with brandosando. wheel of time often disappointing, sando doesnt really seem too (at least in cosmere)
Seconding It took books before I actually started to enjoy the series. The only reason I read it was I was a NEET and wanted something to kill time. Even once I started to enjoy it, I couldn't tell if it was stockholm syndrome. Stick with Sanderson. At least his worlds and style are fun. Plus he's a Mormon which is based as heck.
He doesn't hate women, he just thought he's writing strong women and he sucked at it.
By the way, in case you haven't heard, the casting director has been announced: imdb.com
No idea how well she has done in the past but as soon as we start to get casting news it's going to be a fucking shitshow.
Wrong. He knew damn well what he was doing.
Mat is best boy.
Galad is a good boy too.
If you wanted to trim all the fat, you could do the entire series in well under 100 hours (probably closer to 80).
Moiraine was probably the most enjoyable of the women. The Aiel Wise Ones were decent too.
It never felt like Elayane loved Rand. She just thought he was attractive and later powerful. She constantly thinks of other men in lustful ways and wants to bond others. She is the worst girl and I wish she died.
>look at the episode titles
>doing the first book in 6 episodes
That's a nice brisk pace. They could get everything done in 6 seasons.
>be cadsuane
>do nothing but demean, insult and ridicule the chosen one
>wonder why he keeps getting worse
>wonder why he hates you and won't listen to your advice
>One day he's better
>"I did that! It was all me!"
This. Writes literally thousands of pages of crap then just fucking dies like a pussy before he was able to bring himself to stop milking his fucking cash cow. If you're going to write even one 700 page book you need to justify that to the reader instead of pulling endless new uninteresting plot diversions directly out of your anus. What a fucking hack. 100% of the non-Tolkien fantasy I've read has just been embarrassing American bullshit desu.
Would it work as a TV show?
how good is this book? was thinking of buying it.
One of the most based lines in all of modern fiction.
They are actually doing 5 eps per book if the predictions are correct. They have released the titles for 1-4 and 6 was "leaked" by posting a picture where it could be seen through another paper. Episode 6 is called the Flame of Tar Valon which is at the beginning of TGH, when Siuan appears. Episode 5 will very obviously be The Eye of The World in that case.
Too many characters and you are just thrown in to the middle of the story basically. This is my favourite series though.
As the first book in the series it is quite different from the rest but I love the whole series.
I am very pleased with this. Some books have more filler than others, but 5 episodes seems like a good average.
But how is the series? Im interested on it, but would like to hear from people that have read them
It’s great overall. There’s a snooze fest in books 8-11, but by then you’ll be hooked enough to get through it. Give it a shot, it’s worth it in the end
The best fantasy series of the past 20 years. I doubt you'll regret giving it a try.
I´m actually a bit ashamed I kinda know what you´re talking about.
Reading this garbage was pretty much the lowest point of my fantasy book reading experience.
Thankfully I eventually just stopped wasting my time with it around book 9ish.
(((They))) can rape it to hell&back in TeeVee form, I will laugh heartily.
hey user I've read all of the wheel of time and about 5 malazan books. what would you like to know?
WoT is a series where there are entire books where NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS
I remember there was one book where these three cunts are going around with a traveling circus for some reason. That's it. Just wandering around with a circus doing fuck all for 1000 pages.
Second and third books are my absolute favourite fantasy books of all time. The first one might be a slog but its well worth getting through it for what comes after.
Nice. I'll check them. Any other recomendations btw?
Just your opinion about the Malazan books. They seem like a grittier, darker kind of fantasy and seem like interesting stuff, I just want to know how good they are and how interesting they are.
Yeah same. What people often don't realize is that a metric fuckton of the wordcount is for describing things, which can be shown in a few seconds in a visual media. I just hope they don't cut my nigga Valan Luca.
The released episode titles in order and the assumed contents are:
>Leavetaking
Obviously going to end with the crew leaving home. As far as I know it's going to start with the scene with Rand and Tam in the woods so no idea when they will do the prologue or if they are going to do it at all.
>Shadow's Waiting
Arriving in Shadar Logoth.
>Place of Safety
Escaping SL and everyone going their own way, title could refer to the tinkers or Mat and Rand on their journey looking for safety.
>Dragon Reborn
Caemlyn, probably getting the lore about the Dragon here, doesn't fit otherwise because Logain is a false Dragon.
>(speculated) The Eye of The World
Fal Dara, Blight, Green fella etc. end of first book
>The Flame of Tar Valon
Siuan appears.
Grittier is putting it mildly, the author usually builds up large casts and puts a lot of effort into making them likeable before killing most of them by the end of the book.
There's an entire book of people reacting to an event that only happened at the end of the previous book.
So much filler
RJ was based as fuck
How’d you read Malazan? I bought book one, got halfway through the book, and still understood nothing
The First Law trilogy is a quick and fun read. Mistborn and Stormlight Archives (and probably anything else by Sanderson). I'm about as plebby as it comes to modern fantasy though so take that for what it's worth.
I like it gritty and dark, is more "fun" imho
I read Mistborn and didn't like it that much, found it too bland. Thanks tho!
I recommend it to anyone who asks. Great settings and characters. The banter between the soldiers is my favourite thing about it.
If you can stick with being thrown into the middle of an ongoing world and conflict the books are amazing. Even without having a basic understanding of what's going on, the early pages from the first book have one of the craziest things that happen throughout the entire series.
I, for one, can't wait for the show simply because there will be so much shitpost potential.
>If you can stick with being thrown into the middle of an ongoing world and conflict
I actually like this better than setting and exposing things up to the reader.
First Law is great and is a fantasy series that I think would genuinely work if converted to a TV show.
+1 to anyone struggling to push through Book 1 to keep at it. It does start quite slowly but the buildup is required. IMO the series doesn't really start in earnest until the very end of book 1 and the start of book 2.
Also, I don't have much hope for the TV series. All the confirmed producers/writers are big third wave feminists and/or SJW's. I honestly think the whole point of the story, that men/women needs to work together equally, will go over their heads.
Also, God help them when they get to that forsaken that starts as a man, but is punished and given a new female body. (Which slowly starts to shift his sexuality and mannerisms to female.) That isn't going to go well in the current political climate.
I didn't like Mistborn, but I know a lot of people do. The magic system was cool enough to keep me interested for about half of the first book, but the main girl and the main guy didn't have enough faults. I felt embarrassed when reading it so I dropped it. Everything else I recommended I actually liked.
Just don't worry about it too much, stuff will get explained sooner or later. It's just usually later. When I re-read the series later it was actually even better than the first time around.
is this going to be on hbbo or netflix or? and wheN?
Yes she's a top waifu
She's very well written, despite the chekovs gun moments, I can relate with her because I actually grew up with unironical "strong smart independent"(aka normal) wahmen around me and don't base my life experience on online interactions with blue haired Tumblr dykes like most incels
They might do the prologue, but no way in hell do they show the full age of legends and war. Maybe flashbacks in a later season, but not in season 1. WAY to much info for audiences to process all at once and the writers can use a lot of it as mystery boxes for later episodes.
I'd bet money that the show is going to open with Rand and his father walking down the empty road.
Amazon. Filming is gonna start this fall.
Book 2 is a fucking masterpiece. The entire Chain of Dogs story line is probably the best in the series and Erikson does such a great job at making you care about it.
Fuck the pretentious assholes on Yea Forums. Sanderson is good. Admittedly Mistborn was not for me but the Way of Kings is as kino as it gets.
Try pic related, I’ve read on this (and enjoyed) Way of Kings, lord of the rings, name of the wind, watchmen, dark tower, game of thrones, Riftwar saga, codex alara, wheel of time, chronicles of amber, xanth series, Hyperion (this is great), the stand, Sandman (best graphic novel there is), world war z, flowers for algernon, I robot, Enders game, and Dune (great)
> The magic system was cool
It's bretty gud
I prefer Wax and Wayne tho
>Burn me
kek
It's the small things.
But can Prince of Nothing work as a TV adaptation?
Thanks for the chart man!
Who killed Asmodean?
are they going with a big budget to BTWO game of thrones? I admit I dont know anything about WOT by the way, but my be interested in watching a new show if its good
well I'm no literary student, but I've read a shit load of novels, fantasy and others.
malazan is pretty unique as a fantasy series, and I think it's great.
firstly, the world building is incredible and unique. so much thought has been put into the history and geography of the setting. Stevenson considers so much, like for instance, how magic would shape geography and weather over tens of thousands of years etc. all the different species and civilisations are really well thought, and just downright interesting. I don't want to spoil too much, but I can really say I haven't encountered anything like the breadth, detail and uniqueness that we get served up.
the magic system is incredinly complex and confusing at first, but I really like it. he does a great on of demonstrating the role of powerful mages in battle. the system itself is linked to how deities work. it can feel a little ass pully sometimes but it's generally very consistent in its rules.
structurally, I've found the start of the books can be a bit confusing (although o am a bit of a brainlet). it throws you in at the deep end, and while the world is incredibly complex, you don't get it all at once at all. but it's very rewarding as I've slowly moved from book to book and realised the scope of the canvas being painted for the reader, both in terms of setting,characters and plot.
one thing he does consistently incredibly is tying up multiple seemingly disconnected plotlines and characters into these phenomenal climaxes in each book. really, I usually read the last 25% of each book in a single sitting, just too gripped to put down. I've felt sometimes the start or middle of a boom can drag, but the payoff has always been worth it so far.
that's my 2 cents, give the first couple a read and see what you think. hope that helps
No idea about the budget but I'm not sure if they are going to straight up "challenge" GoT, since there's inevitably going to be a bunch of attempts at that after GoT ends and it's a quick way to completely fuck up.
>Also, God help them when they get to that forsaken that starts as a man, but is punished and given a new female body. (Which slowly starts to shift his sexuality and mannerisms to female.) That isn't going to go well in the current
Really high chance they cast a transexual for the role and basically say that the person is just transitioning and it wasn't a real "punishment". More just them "accepting their real self".
Never mind that this would completely break the male/female magic system.
Planning on writing a fantasy book (for fun, mostly). What are some stuff that you would avoid? I'm more inspired by old sword and sorcery than Tolkien and post Tolkien stuff by the way.
That's a terrible flow chart, too many "do you like *extremely specific plot element*s?" lined up one after the other.
Its heavy stuff but so good.
Avoid the standard Tolkien traps. (aka farmboy/shire protagonist)
Dark Fantasy along with traditional sword & sorcerery like Conan has been on the upswing.
Sounds right up my alley, so I'll definitely check it out
The series needs a big budget, however given the little hype about this series outside of book fans, it doesn't seem like it's going to get a big budget.
So people shit on Sanderson for what he did to characters in this book but... Are his own series any good?
Any recent examples of dark fantasy inspired by s&s, because that's exactly what I am aiming for
really great. across the series it jumps around groups and countries, seeing characters meet up again is so emotional, it has some really heartbreaking moments of sadness and happiness. the 2nd seems to be a fan favorite especially the 'Chain of Dogs'
Read Brandon Sanderson laws of magic?
>There is no hope of it being even half good is there?
Lol, no. How fucking deluded are you?
Go watch an episode of the latest Shannara adaptation. Then consider wether or not you should expose yourself to the new WoT.
Don't be self-indulgent
Well there is hope. There was a poll about which upcoming Amazon show is the most anticipated and WoT won it by a large margin. The poll results also had some articles written about them so it might start a snowball effect.
A lot of the Conan mythos and the work of Robert E. Howard is right up your alley then.
In what sense?
Sanderson did the best with the notes provided to him. He’s a great author with amazing worldbuilding. Some Yea Forumsfags say that he’s too “Anime” but that’s because they’re all contrarians without a real argument against him
>Any other recomendations btw?
black company
book of the new sun
I love Howard. He and Clark Ashton Smith fantasy are my main inspiration. Been reading them since I was a kid
Read Book of The New Sun recently and absolutely loved it. Bought Black Company some days ago, it has yet to arrive.
not really s&s, but glen cook and wolfe.
No what does it say
I recommend Joe Abercrombie.
>Also, I don't have much hope for the TV series. All the confirmed producers/writers are big third wave feminists and/or SJW's. I honestly think the whole point of the story, that men/women needs to work together equally, will go over their heads.
I'm in the same boat. I'm expecting a lot of "Awesome girl power!" moments and serious implication that female dominated societies are better. Despite Robert Jordan flat out saying that the Sedai were a mess and that the male half of the power being tainted die massive damage to society as a whole.
Any work in particular?
It's impossible to get any more entitled than this, holy shit. I'm glad GRRM is cucking his own fanbase in a similar fashion
fucking amazing series.
The First Law trilogy is his first stuff and it's really good. He's done another 2 trilogies but their names escape me at the minute.
Jordan died because of health issues he got from fucking Vietnam, give the man a break. Comparing him to the fatass who only cares about stuffing his fat fucking face with grease is a bit unfair.
How much longer till Hollywood gets their grubby hands on this series for good? I know Cosmere rights are owned so it's only a matter of time
>Black Keisler
>Vin still white
>Elend is Muslim
>The Lord Ruler is white with the omission that (They will never paint him to be morally grey/corrupted by Ruin like they do in the books)
>Sazed is black
How have the Shannara books been?
I've been really tempted to finally pick them entire saga up now that it is finally coming to an end this year.
I respect the fuck out of Terry Brooks for writing the same fantasy setting for close to 50 years.
This.
Also, Jordan went well out of his way to leave story notes and the epilouge. So you at the very least knew the story ended how he wanted.
Martin has confirmed that all of his notes will be burned with him if he doesn't finish the last 2 books. So no one would be able to complete it but him.
Graendal
This, plus Martin has already started writing the "you know, there are several famous authors who never finished their series hehehe" -excuses. The fat fuck has written himself into a corner and very obviously isn't going to even try anymore. He absolutely intends to die before finishing the series and thinks it'll save him from the embarrassment a mediocre ending would bring and instead make him into a "legend" among all those actually good authors who happened to have some unfinished work left when they died. It's so obvious.
Okish.
The first few books rip off Middle Earth and Tolkien badly. Allanon is WAY to much of a deus ex machina.
The Heritage books are better. But do seem to drag with side missions before they get to the final book.
The last few years where he has gone into the breaking of the world and the Great War has been fun though.
Sanderson literally said the notes were so confusing he mostly ignored them
Holy shit, Second Apocalipse on TV would be insane, the normies are not ready for this type of shit.
That's on Sanderson.
Jordan flat out knew the end was coming and tried his best. Martin is a fat fuck who is basically taunting his audience at this point.
Kinda sucks that Jordan's wife refuse to release the notes about the other novels he wanted to write, like some of the epilogue ones
>we were going to get an entire series of Mat kicking ass and reconquering Seanchan with Tuon
It hurts bros.
Why does no one try to adapt this? The main character is even an OP female which is in nowadays
> YOU WILL NEVER EVER BE GRAENDAL’S MINDBROKEN SEMEN DISPENSER
Sanderson is a devout Mormon. (and leans Conservative) That makes him poison to the general Hollywood audience.
Giv thicc forsaken gf
It is on him, I'm just saying the last three books were probably mostly OC donutsteel.
What does Brandon have against 'breeches' anyway? Robert used 'trousers' like three times in the entire series, while Brandon managed to shoehorn it into every single page. It's a detail that puzzled me
>There is no hope of it being even half good is there?
Not in hell, user.
Why do people like mistborn? I’m on book two and it’s been people talking about politics with little to no action
So just like real life, ha ha!
shes the spoiled strawberry cake girl from anime. she honestly shouldnt have been in the running for Rand's harem.
I found Book 1 kinda neat with the whole "you know what? Lets get the team together and overthrow our repressive government" angle. But Book 2 is really mostly dicking around
We know that good chunks of 12 are from Jordan. Most of Book 13 and 14 are Sanderson. The epilogue and conclusion to the story IS pure Jordan though. So it at the very least ends how he wanted. (He basically didn't get to write how everyone got to the last battle and then the last battle itself.)
she gave us based birgitte, and for that, much can be forgiven. that and her tities bare in the sun on the ocean. book 5 or 4
I enjoyed the series because each book was different from the last
>Book 1: Coming of age story with neat magic system
>Book 2: 2-Character Political Story
>Book 3: Multi-character grand adventure with a very very vividly described end-of-the-world scenario
Plus I enjoyed how the books were clearly written with the entire arc in mind. Sanderson did a great job of seeding important details into the story. Plus the huge twist in the third book caught me 100% by surprise which rarely happens
Also I appreciated that Vin got to be a flawed character with actual fears and doubts without getting overwhelming. It seems like when she started into that arc Sanderson knew to start including other character's perspective so it didn't become 500pages of brooding teen
>tfw you'll never get shitfaced with Birgitte and wingman each other
Fuck it. I’m gonna push through book 2 so I can get to the cool magic cowboy sequel series
>Wingman
You'd be her type
I enjoyed the Wax and Wayne series more (Hurry the fuck up Sanderson) but I am glad I read the Mistborn trilogy first because it's really fun to know how the world got to be the way it is (In terms of shit like names of cities/religions/ect) without them being explained
I'm not burly or ugly enough for her.
If it makes you feel better the last 150 pages of Well of Ascension are pretty action packed. I would go so far as to say that the book is kind of poorly paced because once it gets to a certain point it becomes a deadsprint of cool action scenes/major battles/big plot reveals till the end.
Based MAT was a black man.
>got lynched
>was a gangster and a gang lord
>was always in the club
>always getting tipsy
>WE WUZ KAINGZ AND SHEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIT!!!!
>had a big ass voodoo necklace
>had lot of knives to stab people with
>fucked old women to pay his bills
>always trying to fuck the waitresses
>degenerate gambler
>always poppin tags
>car thief of his day
>massive bullshit artist
>troublemaker from early age
arguments against him being black
>Has a father that raised him
TFW I AM MORE THAN UGLY AND BURLY ENOUGH FOR HER
Also
>he prefers them girls thicc
But Mat is Odin
>You will never get drunk on stolen brandy with your secret gf on Bel Tine and tumble her in a haystack in the Winespring Inn stables
Why live
I'm more than halfway through path of daggers (8) also, does it go to shit?
i see people are hating on elayne so i assume she gets worse, but other than that fuck nynaeve and even egwyns annoying
and book 8 has no mat, and perrins still a mopey fag with an annoying wife he obsesses over in his chapters
Odin is mad niggerish though
Nynaeve is the ultimate BASED BRO. she gets metal as fuck.
rand grows a pair after sanderson and BTFO of everyone.
The worst book is Crossroads of Twilight but even that is not too bad because you don't have to wait for it to be released and can just power through it.
>i see people are hating on elayne so i assume she gets worse
Eh, Elayne is Elayne. She is retarded but at this point she doesn't really get worse, just keeps being a stupid entitled child like so far.
>but other than that fuck nynaeve and even egwyns annoying
Nyn is based and best girl, Egwene however is the worst girl in the entire series.
More like:
>You will never have a 3 women harem who cater to every one of your sexual needs, are fine with you going balls deep bareback in any one of them, and are strongly implied to be ok with an eventual foursome scenario with the others.
A lot of people say Book 10 is the worst one and a slog to get through. It's mainly a pure setup book that preps everything for the last arc of the story.
It's a lot better now that the series has completed. You can power read through it and get to Knife of Dreams quickly.
I'm a man of simple tastes
OP you forgot to throw this out there:
>the books are not good
I AM THE EVIL ONE MUHAHAHAHHAH
SO FUCKING EVIL
HAHAH MY POWERS ARE EVIL
YOU WILL BE MY SLAVE WHILE I CUM EVIL ON YOU
MUEAHAHAHAHAH
A 6 year old could write that.
>another fantasy swords and shields fiction that has plebbit tier admiration from 4chinz
>Rand thought he was a sword the whole time
>His name means shield
Bravo Jordan.
Should I start reading the book? How does it compare to ASOIAF and LoTR
It's great, if drawn-out. It does heroic fantasy well but fumbles when it comes to stuff like political intrigue. All in all recommended if the sheer length doesn't put you off
it slogs, Perrin gets some great fights in the end, Mat is Mat when ever he's allowed to be in the books
Nynaeve easily top 3 once she grows up.
>Egwene however is the worst girl in the entire series.
disagree, seeing her put every Aes Sedai in their place is great. wouldn't date her but lets face it she is a powerhouse
yes. its a lot lighter than those two but its easily the comfiest
>disagree, seeing her put every Aes Sedai in their place is great
That's literally the only good thing she ever did. She is an arrogant cunt who thinks she is the best at fucking everything and knows better than everyone else while constantly fucking up like a dumbass. While everyone else was fleeing for their lives when they left the village she just waltzes in and demands to be allowed to go as well because
>lmao adventure you're not leaving without me
Everything she does, every group she joins, it's always about her trying to get more power for herself. Every single time.
Egwene is a grade A cunt and her only redeeming subplot was only possible because the aes sedai as a whole are even worse. And what does she do when she finally gains control of the aes sedai? Decides that the best course of actions is to keep doubling down on their retarded policies and mindset that ruined the world since the Tower was first established.
Elayne actually gets a lot of shit done. Her and Nynaeve are basically the Aes Sedai A Team. They defeat multiple Forsaken, support Rand all the time, claim the Control Collar (by defeating Moggy), and the Bowl of Winds. They boost up relations between the Aes Sedai and the Windfinders, a relationship that allows them to stop the Dark One from fucking the world's weather. Elayne rediscovers how to create ter angreal and angreal, Nynaeve discovers like 3 forms of healing previously thought to be impossible.
Comparatively Egwene basically gets put in a position of authority to be a scapegoat then bullies and blackmails people until her position is real. Out and out doing the sorts of things she's lying about her opponent doing to gain support, and then takes credit for rediscovering cuendillar even though she was taught how by a Forsaken. Also she consistently chews the A Team out for their many successes because they made her have to do actual work.
Elayne's only really annoying after she reaches Andor. Queen Elayne is a dumbass and constantly puts herself in harms way for stupid reasons. Nynaeve not being there made her retarded I guess, since Nynaeve just keeps on achieving. Though they were both shits to Mat, at least Aviendha had a humanising moment where she called them out and made them apologise for laughing at Mat for getting raped by a royal cougar.
The real WOAT is Egwene.
I quit reading after book 5. At that stage she had flaws but they seemed appropriate to a ~17 year old trying to prove herself in a society biased towards venerating elders.
I think that in real life terms you'd have to have a baseline level of respect for anyone who got through those weird naked laps the Aes Sedai made them do in the desert.
Did the ebil one's version of randland really seem like such a bad place
>think Elayne's succession war was boring and pointless
>play ck2 before doing a reread
>suddenly it all just clicks together and the frustration of trying to get your mercs paid and not have them join your enemies becomes real
>communism
>not a bad place
>"Cadsuane," he said softly, "do you believe that I could kill you? Right here, right now, without using a sword or the Power? Do you believe that if I simply willed it, the Pattern would bend around me and stop your heart? By . . . coincidence?"
Show will be canceled before it get's here, but this is my favorite quote from the books.
Cosmic evil communism has never been tried
and it never will be now get back in your hole
>hole
>not bore
Missed opportunity tbhfam.
my guess it it's going to be all about glorifying the roastie and everyone else will be shit.
Birgitte and Aviendha making the two of them apologize to Mat for being bitches to him all the time is one of my favorite scenes. Any scene with Mat and Birgitte broing it up is guaranteed to be top tier.
How diverse will the casting be?
Young Bull will 100% be black as will Elayne cuz kangz an shiet
>Should I just stick with my pleb shit
WoT IS pleb shit though. I mean it's fun but it's absolutely pleb shit. The Marvel of fantasy.
>The Marvel of fantasy.
thats harry potter, WoT is slightly higher
Can someone sum up the series and what is about in 1 Yea Forums post? I suppose it's not possible with so many massive books.
>time is cyclical and people get reborn
>in an earlier age people fucked up and released the big bad™
>male wizards sealed him back in but he managed to corrupt male half of magic which made them go insane and they broke the world
>present day, world still fucked but mostly ok now, prophecy of the big bad breaking free any day now and the biggest chad there ever lived being reborn and stopping him
>only women are allowed to use magic because men still go insane when they do, this has royally fucked up the world
>one of the main characters ends up being the reborn gigachad and he has to unite the lands for the last battle and hope he doesn't go fucking insane before it (he does but gets better)
>most his buddies become political and military leaders
>he gets a harem of three bombshell babes
>the guy with the hat is best boy
I just realized that my uncle who introduced me to the series actually had to wait for shit like crossroads lol
The problem with CoT is that books 9 and 10 were originally going to be a single book, but it would've been way too fucking long. This basically meant CoT just ended up being about wrapping plotlines and showing reactions.
I can affirm that this is 100% true.
Rand dies in the end?
How's the ending?
I'm Brazilian, only translated 5 books in Brazil
It's complicated.
Rand and Moridin end up swapping bodies in the end. "Rand" is dead and gets a funeral pyre and (almost) everyone thinks he really did die, but he wakes up in Moridin's body and rides into the sunset, basically. He also can't channel anymore, but there's a scene where he "thinks" a pipe being lit and it happens, but what exactly he did is never confirmed. A popular theory is that he's left with some kind of a reality manipulation power since a part of his battle against the dark one included weaving possible alternate realities.
The ending in general is good, really the only thing it lacks are more details and stories how the characters continued their lives afterwards.
Has anybody attempted a well written version of wheel of time? I'd love to actually know the story without that fucking hack Robert Jordan's style ruining it.
Thank you. The books should become fashionable here in Brazil, but many Brazilians already think that George wraps up, Jordan imagines.
Who the hell is George?
>wheel of time
>14 books
>expecting to be completed
Nah, you heard first: gonna get canceled after season 4-5, if not before.
They will do at least 2 books per season, some later ones can even be 3. So you could easily have seasons for books 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-9, 10-12 and 13-14, meaning 6 seasons in total.
Gonna get cancel before ending.
R.R.Martin.
If it survives till season 4/5 it'll be in the last battle hype and won't be cancelled at that point anymore.
Of Rand's 3 gfs, I'd definitely pick Elayne.
Ah, well it's a bit weird to think that GRRM wraps up anything considering how slow he is with his own books.
>not picking the fit amazonian goddess who has a body for pumping out babies according to everyone who comments about it
>not picking the cute tomboy gf with an amazing ass who's down to fuck 24/7 and the only one who loves you for who you are and not what you "represent"
>instead picking the hormonal teenager who decided she totes loves you forever after you sucked face for a few days and then didn't see in ages after that
Balefire youre testicles, you clearly don't have any use for them.
Holy Shit, so I read up to the book 6, book 1,2,3,4 are good, but godamn man, shit go down hill after that, and the female characters, my god, what a bunch of winning bitchs, fuck me, and the dudes are to fucking dumb and act like a fucking teenagers, but there are like fucking 20 years old.
I just hope the trollocs don't look too fake.
You took your time.
I've become a more serious reader in the last half decade, and there are works I've read more substantive and more personally meaningful and more beautiful in prose than WoT. But I'll be fucked if I ever get the catharsis again that I got at Dumai's Wells. Rand busting out of that box was sweet release.
Nynaeve is the only main female character who is an actual character, with flaws and growth.
WoT is a dogshit series for children with too much time on their hands and their brains set hard to 'off'.
That isn't true at all. Aviendha completely changes her mindset over the course of the series, and Moiraine develops a lot as well.
Moiraine in particular is great, she's humbled but not broken when she realizes how badly she'd screwed up earlier on.
Threadly reminder
>Rand = Tyr
>Mat = Odin
>Perrin = The wolfman
Giv aes sedai gf.
book 6 has a better climax then anything even the last battle doesn't come close
are you seriously using your own 2 year old post as "evidence"? That's so faggy.
Are you the person that post is btfoing? Lmaoing at your life nerd.
This image is the only reason I ever decided to read this series
>Amazon and Sony are producing it
No
Is it true Rand and the aiel are going to be black? With the current trend of fictional red heads I could see this happening. Also Rands a tall nigga.
Nah they will be gingers.
I could understand rand ignoring elaines personality with a body like that. God damn.
Remember the descriptions of the blight? Its nothing but monstrosities that break reality that do nothing but kill. The forsaken were retards. There was never going to be any lands to rule over if the dark one broke free.
Based and saidarpilled.
Figures why all his characters turn into gods.
I wish I could bottle my satisfaction after dumai wells and perrin chopping off the shaidos arm and giving his speech.